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Tears for Australia?

November 15 2016 at 12:47 AM

Dave Morton  (Login DaveMorton)

 
No chance! Having lost in Perth, I now see that they're 151 for 9 in the second innings at Hobart, still 90 runs away from saving innings defeat.

I'm so glad we're going to copy their structure, with endless T20 right in the middle of the season, with First Class marginalised at either end. In a few years, like them, we won't be able to find one batsman who can play a proper innings and will have to recall Paul Collingwood and Marcus Trescothick, as they did Rogers and Voges - with a degree of success, it must be said.

 
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Re: Tears for Australia?

November 15 2016, 7:36 AM 

I hope they recover soon.

Purely selfish reasons as if their batting continues to be woeful then Jake Lehmann may soon he in their test side and one of our overseas options disappears once again.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Tears for Australia?

November 15 2016, 8:44 AM 

Worrying times I'm sure for Boof and his team but slightly thin evidence to write off Australian red ball cricket due to too much T20.

Voges was a great story but he's been kept on too long and a couple of the players, Ferguson and Mennie, shouldn't be there.

Lets not forget the brilliant SA bowling attack either.

 
 
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Re: Tears for Australia?

November 15 2016, 11:02 AM 

An Australian middle order of Voges, Ferguson, Nevill and Mennie must be the weakest they've ever had.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Tears for Australia?

November 15 2016, 12:51 PM 

They were pretty bloody awful in 1956. McDonald opening, who was a good player, and Neil Harvey at 3, who was considered a great one but he had a modest record in England.

Apart from that it was Burke opening and a very young Peter Burge at 4. His day would come. Then 'Slasher' Mackay at 5; the name was an ironic one for an utterly strokeless and crablike left hander, Katich without the talent.

Miller was a great all-rounder, but had no idea how to play spin. Benaud would make his name later, batting lower than he did in '56, and Archer was a fast-ish bowler all-rounder. Maddocks was a non-batting wicket-keeper.

They were so poor, collectively, that Bradman wrote a book about batting, with particular reference to playing off-spin. The same group had been destroyed by the pace of Tyson and Statham in Australia.

To put things in perspective, this was probably the greatest England bowling attack ever. Interesting that they went into the Headingley Test with only 3 specialist bowlers + Trevor Bailey, who would have been about as quick as Woakes, I would think - though better. No Tyson or Statham, and Wardle and Appleyard rejected in favour of the Surrey pair, which would not have impressed the Yorkshire crowd. This was Laker's great series, of course.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62813.html

 
 
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Tears???

November 15 2016, 7:08 PM 

No tears. Sport is cyclical. How they respond will be the key

Steve

 
 
Kevin Owens
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Sweet shires follow up?

November 15 2016, 9:29 PM 

Asking on behalf of my father in law if there is going to be a follow up to sweet shires? He very much enjoyed and is a fellow Cambridge graduate like yourself. Now a Headteacher of 2 schools

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 2:36 AM 

Hi Kevin
I've started a second book, tentatively entitled 'Cricket's Empire', which recounts my journeys round the old pink bits of the world, lavishly illustrated with photos, of course.

Writing it will take little time, though it is planned to be 2 or 3 times the size of 'Sweet Shires' (and therefore costly) so I need to sell a few more copies of 'Sweet Shires' first...

Photos will include some of the ones here:https://www.flickr.com/photos/forwarddefensive/albums/72157669144448211 which take us up to New Zealand 2008. It's one chapter per tour.

But it may never happen.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 8:39 AM 

Chairman of selectors Rod Marsh has stood down. At 69, a very good age for most things, he is probably just a tad too distant from the current crop of players.

It will be interesting to see if the bashing the test team, and cricket in general are getting by the Australian press, has a knock on effect on the attendances at this years Big Bash.

 
 
Idle Man
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 9:12 AM 

An occasional awareness of the Aussie press makes our 'odious' lot seem a tad less awful.

 
 
WR_Metcalfe
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 9:22 AM 

I wonder whether the Aussies will look to copy our county cricket system!

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 10:24 AM 

Idle Man (Login Idle_man)
Posted Nov 16, 2016 9:12 AM

An occasional awareness of the Aussie press makes our 'odious' lot seem a tad less awful.

Sad to say but it doesn't.
I'm sure you're well aware that Rupert Murdoch aka "The dirty Digger" was born in Oz even though he's now a US citizen.
The man who's dragged our tabloids down into the gutter.

 
 
Fraisse10
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 10:37 AM 

I think that, as so often, Sgt.-Major Williams has the mot juste:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZaAkuXTIz4


    
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 10:46 AM 

Odious is a description for those who don't respect democracy. The Australian system can't be compared to ours, its fine to say we should have less or they should have more, its about where you were born and whether those communities have enough support for cricket.

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 7:19 PM 

Yorkshireman to open for the Aussies in the next Test?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3942596/Australia-draft-Middlesbrough-born-batsman-Matt-Renshaw.html

Don't know anything about him, but I wonder if he fancies a homecoming next season!


    
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Re: Sweet shires follow up?

November 16 2016, 7:33 PM 

Well a Middlesbrough firm built the Sydney Harbour Bridge so why not a test opener?

 
 
Geoff B
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Unknown quantity

November 16 2016, 8:25 PM 

Got a couple of decent scores for Queensland and been picked already for Australia A.

He hasn't played a lot so if he does try his hand in England, and as he's from Boro, I think we should let Durham see if he's any good first.

 
 
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Re: Unknown quantity

November 16 2016, 8:41 PM 

Re dpressed post above it reminds me of the line my Grandad used to joke with me about his work shy mate who worked for Dorman but not for Long

 
 
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Re: Unknown quantity

November 24 2016, 8:29 AM 

Good first day for the new look aussies with Faf the only one showing any defiance.

He played some sweet cover drives, was rock solid in defence and scored runs from all sorts of shots. His new bat appeared to be in mint condition and despite the abuse from the crowd he couldn't care for toffee as he held the innings together.

 
 
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Re: Unknown quantity

November 24 2016, 8:56 AM 

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Posted Nov 24, 2016 8:29 AM

Good first day for the new look aussies with Faf the only one showing any defiance.

He played some sweet cover drives, was rock solid in defence and scored runs from all sorts of shots. His new bat appeared to be in mint condition and despite the abuse from the crowd he couldn't care for toffee as he held the innings together.

That's a load of humbug.

 
 
 
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