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Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Back to the test

November 26 2016, 9:40 PM 

JB's attitude is indeed superb. But i have no issue with Stokes ruffling a few feathers. Personally think there is a place for abit of controversy in the game. I'd pay good money for stump mic!

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 7:53 AM 

Woke up full of hope that Rash and the rest of the tail would have got a few but alas, so far so predictable.

 
 
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 9:22 AM 

EastCoastType mentioned that watching Jonny bat in the first half of the 2015 season was a truly once in a generation experience. This made me reflect on who is currently replacing him and i feel disillusioned that nothing is going to change.

 
 
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 9:24 AM 

What great fielding by Buttler. That'll certainly have surprised Idleman.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 9:41 AM 

Certainly did, though only following on cricinfo. My initial comment was really just based on Jonny's excellence in the field, but these days I suppose they're all so much more athletic. Can't picture Jimmy Binks diving around in the covers.

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 11:06 AM 

Thus far Batty's contributions make the decision not to take Leach look more and more suspect.
Jimmy Binks was never required to dive around anywhere other than behind the stumps.
The best Yorkshire wicket-keeper I've ever had the pleasure to watch & never a hair out of place.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 11:32 AM 

My memory too. Interested to hear GB selecting his Yorkshire all time XI and saying we've never produced a great keeper. Binks was pretty close.

I do remember the greatest ever slip fielder having to go out into the ring in the Sunday League and not looking particularly at ease.

 
 
menston yccc
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 5:10 PM 

how well has adil been bowling - great pleasure to see him bowling so well

we need to find away of moving on from him not playing at lord's as irritating as it was for all of us

my fear is gale will not be able to show the same sense or maturity

 
 
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 5:48 PM 

I thought Gale had said last week they had moved on from that now, more of an issue could be that he plays in the home tests next year so we don't see much of him at all

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 6:00 PM 

Big change from being underused to bordering on being overused today.

I'm pleased for him and there's now a strong possibility he will be trusted to play in home test matches too.

A 4/2 bowling attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Stokes, Ali and Rashid would cover all the bases and should contribute enough runs to balance out Bairstow batting at 5 and the top 4 specialist batsmen.

If so let's hope our other spin options show some improvement in 4 day cricket.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 6:06 PM 

Gale has moved on, but we will not see much of Adil anyway. Could be a recall for Gary as well if Duckett keeps failing.

The cupboard looks bare from 3 to 6 batting wise plus no spinner.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 9:28 PM 

Geoff B says, "A 4/2 bowling attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Stokes, Ali and Rashid would cover all the bases and should contribute enough runs to balance out Bairstow batting at 5 and the top 4 specialist batsmen."

But:

Team England is no nearer identifying 4 specialist batsmen, than they have been at any time for the last ten years. Cook is coming to the end, and in any case, is no sort of captain, whilst Broad, despite all his achievements, IMO, flatters to deceive. Additionally, Anderson is not getting any younger.

In total England are a long way from becoming a very good team.

So:

Begin to bulid around:

Hameed, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Rashid and Woakes. I would not count on too much from Ali. And as far as Cook, Anderson and Broad are concerned I would want a new plan. So begin to think about a transition to Gubbins, Finn and Leech.

Finally, adpot a selection process which identifies quality rather than long-serving mediocrity. It is disgraceful that Gubbins and Leech are not on the present tour.


    
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Martin
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 10:15 PM 

But doesn't Finn flatter to deceive even more than Broad? I agree that they have got this winter's tour squad wrong. Leach would have been a better bet than Ansari and Ballance should not have been picked, but there are a number of good openers in the country. I think Gubbins is a class act but Jennings and Bell-Drummond also have a lot going for them. They plumped for Hameed and Duckett (one opener and one who can open or bat middle order). Hard to argue with that - the fact that Duckett hasn't done as well as had been hoped is one of those things - I don't think we can assume that Gubbins would have been any better. Maybe he should have been picked, but it can only be seen a disgrace if the alternatives selected were so much poorer. In the case of Duckett and Hameed I think it is hard to say that.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 10:16 PM 

That's a revolution! I did put names to the bowlers but certainly for Anderson read Wood, or Ball, or even Finn. I don't think Broad is or should be leaving the England set up anytime soon and Cook fancies carrying on without the responsibility of captaining. I'm not sure about Ali either but he seems to be a fixture and he's more likely to shave his beard off than get dropped. Besides, he and Stokes makes 6 bowlers possible.

I agree the selection process appears to be flawed but it's a heck of a step up to test level and Gubbins and Leech might just be another Duckett and Ansari when faced with better opposition.

Not even sure yet we should be considering building anything around Hameed, excellent first impressions but we've been here before and we need to see him against real pace. He's certainly got to learn to get his fingers out of the way.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Back to the test

November 27 2016, 10:39 PM 

Cook is coming to the end, you wouldn't count in Ali and Broad flatters to deceive.
This forum never ceases to amaze.


    
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Geoff B
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Re: Back to the test

November 28 2016, 8:59 AM 

No Hameed, not a great surprise, looks like he has broken something and they have tried to hide it from the opposition.

I hope someone, or preferably a couple of someone's are on the way now before they consider playing Ansari as an opener for the 4th test.

I don't like Stokes but I take my hat off to him for his wholehearted bowling display today. He certainly deserved his 5 for and he is a crucial player for England, despite being a bounder!.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Back to the test

November 28 2016, 9:07 AM 

There's a, by the time frame of this tour anyway, considerable gap now between the end of this test and the start of the next. Indeed, there's talk of some players heading over to Dubai for a short break.
The management might consider freshening things up a bit in this period, I agree. Certainly would do worse than get Leach and A.N.Other batsman over for the 4th and 5th test.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Back to the test

November 28 2016, 9:19 AM 

Sam Northeast can't be too far away from being called up, still hoping the club make an approach to sign him and Billings.

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Back to the test

November 28 2016, 11:13 AM 

More abject batting by the England top order.
Where is Bayliss' brave new world now?

 
 
Martin
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Re: Back to the test

November 28 2016, 11:41 AM 

Sam Northeast - the poshest cricketer in the county championship according to Rob Key. Educated at Harrow, so I guess he would at least be able to swap stories with Ballance!

As for he Test Match, they may well use the excuse of Hameed being injured (even if he is able to play in the next game)to bring in an extra batsman). it may be the right thing to do but it is a damning indictment of their original selection for the team, and goes back to the bad old days of chopping and changing. Ballance and Duckett may be struggling, but it would be unprecedented to call up for reinforcements due to poor form (or frankly in the case of Duckett not even poor form) rather than injury - that is why spare batsmen are selected. And can we really expect anyone to perform in those circumstances?

I don't think calling an extra spinner to the squad when we already have too many is going to happen - even if we don't agree with the four selected.

 
 
 
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