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WS55
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Re: 4th Test | India vs England at Mumbai (Match thread)

December 8 2016, 10:27 AM 

Dave that is fascinating. I just did your finger/door thing -- found I am left eye dominant. Never knew that. I am right handed at nearly everything, BUT, as an eight year old at Whitby with bow in my hand for the first time, found that I naturally drew left handed (i.e. bow in right hand, string in left). It's puzzled me for 50 years. And now you've solved it.

 
 
Guest
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Re: 4th Test | India vs England at Mumbai (Match thread)

December 8 2016, 10:55 AM 

Only if your 3rd spinner is good enough though.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: 4th Test | India vs England at Mumbai (Match thread)

December 8 2016, 10:57 AM 

Fair point.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: 4th Test | India vs England at Mumbai (Match thread)

December 8 2016, 4:10 PM 

Jennings, like Hameed, has had a proper grounding (with good coaching) and knows how to play. I suspect Gubbins is the same. Buttler, on the other hand, is having to work it out as he goes along, in a Test Match! Obviously he is talented, and it was fascinating to see him improve, the longer he batted.

Sir Geoffrey was going on about playing all three openers, Jennings at 3 (which happened in his day with John Edrich), then Root at 4, Gubbins at 5, and Stokes / Bairstow at 6 /7, he was insistent.

Given that, of the bowlers, quite a few are decent batsmen, this looks like a long and balanced line-up. Geoffrey reminded us of the excellence of Mark Wood, too.

Cook, Hameed, Jennings, Root, Gubbins; Bairstow, Stokes; two of Ali, Rashid, Wood; Broad, Anderson.

Woakes got a mention, too.

If there really are three Durham products in our best 13, the treatment of Durham becomes entirely incomprehensible. Killing the goose that continues to lay golden eggs. There's also an 8 : 3 : 2 North : Midlands : South split!

 
 
Geoff B
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Sir Geoffrey

December 8 2016, 8:59 PM 

I wonder if the BBC would consider a change of role for our beloved Sir Geoffrey. I think he talks a lot of sense, especially in his end of day podcast. If he could only concentrate on the cricket, especially on the match in progress.

Uuuuuuunnnnnfortunately he becomes more and more a caricature of himself when talking about cricket in his day and, his attempts at humour with whoever is commentating, particularly with Prakash in this case, and with Agnew all the time drive me up the wall.

A ten minutes stint before play and after every session would be great. But not during play, please.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 8 2016, 10:19 PM 

Same thing happened to Fred I'm afraid. Started off as a breath of fresh air on the air, but eventually became a caricature, far too fond of his own voice.

 
 

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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 9 2016, 11:07 AM 

I like Geoff Boycott a lot as a commentator, not heard much in this series though but have to agree he sometimes becomes a caricature of himself.

I think another who is going that way is Bob Willis who seems to want to play up to his grumpy old git reputation a bit too much at times. But I enjoy him being a bit downbeat at times as everyone else on Sky in what ever sport is always telling you have wonderful everything is.

 
 
CB
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 9 2016, 4:04 PM 

Boycott & Willis are genuine 'old school' type cricket commentators much in the mould of the great Freddie T. They say what they see and are not afraid to offend or step on tender, all to easily bruised toes. By comparison, most modern day commentators, pundits and analysts tend to sit on the fence, wary of their producers' listening ear and ultimately their juicy contracts!

Give me sincerity and passion any day over a jobsworth !

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 9 2016, 4:57 PM 

It's during commentary that the problem lays. Unfortunately you can't listen to cricket on TMS with the sound down. No problem with his forthright views, it's his attempts at banter I can't bear.

Back to the cricket, not bad from England getting to 400 but who's going to get the remaining 19 wickets to win us the game.

In the words of Sir Geoffrey 'picking 4 seamers was barmy' he may have used slightly more forthright language.

 
 
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 9 2016, 8:38 PM 

Four seamers is barmy although who you would pick from the rest of the squad to replace Ball is a tough call.

Ballance and Duckett are unselectable and should have been shipped off to Dubai to get a game with the Lions. Batty lacked any potency or control in the last test and Finn must be enjoying his holidays and sightseeing safe in the knowledge his chances of a game are nil. Broad is injured.

Would Dawson have been any better? I can't see how a bloke who gets loaned out for four day cricket to a second division county can make a test squad in a million years but clearly his face fits as being a good lad from the odi squad.


 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 9 2016, 9:49 PM 

I thought Dawson was the least likely of the Lions spinners to be pulled in to the full squad.

Having said that it looks like the seamers are getting the wickets for the Lions as well.

Raynor got a couple in the first innings against Afghanistan but the much fancied Leach was wicketless.

Maybe he will get some on the final day!

 
 
CB
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 10:53 AM 

Its England's three spinners who are among the wickets, Joe playing his part with a couple so far, seamers insipid and barely used!

Sir Geoffrey's words spring to mind, why pick four seam bowlers when an extra batsman would be more incumbent ?

Man knows his cricket !



    
This message has been edited by BoomerC on Dec 10, 2016 10:54 AM


 
 
Idle man
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 11:17 AM 

We've already got a no 7 who is playing purely as a batsman. Does GB want us to pick another at no 8?

 
 
CB
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 12:09 PM 

Anderson ineffective on dry sub-continent pitches, plus he's still lagging somewhat from long term injury, surely more prudent to let continue his sojourn and strengthen the batting, think that's what Geoffrey was hinting at ?

Man knows his cricket !

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 12:55 PM 

I think the underlying problem was that there was no batsman in the squad likely to score more runs than the 4th seamer. Ball scored 30; would Ballance or Duckett have done that?

Anderson? I sort of agree with you, Boomer, that Jimmy is looking increasingly ineffective abroad. He looked the least effective of our bowlers in S Africa last winter, too. But don't tell anyone I said so; I'm a Lanky member these days, and they think he's the greatest bowler of all time.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Gale interview

December 10 2016, 1:00 PM 

There was an interview with Andrew Gale played during the lunch interval. Not sure who the interviewer was - I was half asleep - but he touched on the Rashid disagreement at the end of last season, and Gale said it was all resolved.

The interview might be available as a BBC podcast, whatever that may be.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 1:00 PM 

Anderson in Asia before this series: 147 wickets at 28: absolutely outstanding for an English swing and seam bowler. Your point about his fitness is valid though. I don't get GB's blustering about an extra batsman either - we needed a third spinner, but the right third spinner, and that was surely Leach.

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 3:06 PM 

Get Sam Curran in the squad asap.
Leave Anderson to get fully fit for the tests in England next year.
Sadly, neither Leach no Rayner bowled themselves into contention on a wicket where the 18 year old debutant Afghani leggie took 12 wickets in the match.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 10 2016, 7:59 PM 

Gale was talking to Kevin Howells about taking up his new role, Rashid was mentioned only briefly. MM will continue to deal with the ECB as far as player availability, willingness to play is concerned and most of the admin.

Gales main concern was putting some necessary distance between himself and the players and getting the best from the 11 selected for every game.

No doubting his honesty, he's not sure he is ready but that's better than over confidence and bluster in my book.

He will give it all he has got that's for sure. He did seem to be enjoying watching the training much more than taking part.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Sir Geoffrey

December 11 2016, 9:47 AM 

The point about a specialist batsman at 7 already and then picking another at 8 is interesting.

But we have played Moeen at 8 for a long time when his bowling was not his forte. Now he hats at 4 and bowls 50 overs in an innings.

I don't mind a batsman at 8 if the rest of the team dictates it. With Stokes and Moeen at 4 and 6 also offering bowling options then it's not a disaster.

Plus I would have pushed Moeen back down to 8 anyway especially if bowling 50 overs in an innings

 
 
 
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