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Re: none english players

January 6 2017, 4:39 PM 

Having a batsman who can keep wicket gives more flexibility to the side, having a keeper who can't bat mounts pressure on the side.

 
 
Stu
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Re: none english players

January 6 2017, 6:41 PM 

We will not be able to pencil Rashid in for many games next season, even if he is not selected for the test team. For 2 weeks in May, all June and for 2 weeks in September there are 1 day matches scheduled. Selection for the test team, virtually rules him out all season.

Rashid missing will lengthen the tail, so I can see Jacobus`s argument for leaving Hodd out and getting Handscomb to keep wicket. Otherwise it could be Bresnan at 6 followed by Hodd, Patto at 8, a spinner(?), Brooks & Siddy.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on Jan 7, 2017 10:13 AM


 
 
Seadog73
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Re: none english players

January 6 2017, 6:57 PM 

Handscomb is not likely to want to keep in the championship. He's a part timer athe best and has broken into the test team as a specialist batsman. Moxon said he MIGHT be an option to keep in one day cricket but will likely bat at three in the championship. Hodd will play, some people will just have to get over it!

 
 
Guest
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Re: none english players

January 6 2017, 7:27 PM 

So because he keeps a bit he's now in the side as the specialist keeper.
What's Handscomb's keeping record like in first class cricket please Jacobus?

 
 
Lewis
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Re: none english players

January 6 2017, 8:31 PM 

In an ideal world jacabus team is spot on.

How could anyone suggest a team with Hodd is stronger than Jacabus's.

That said we can forget about Jennings and I cannot imagine Handscomb would want to keep in the CC.

I think we missed out not going for Stoneman.

 
 
WS55
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Hodd

January 7 2017, 1:16 AM 

Lewis (and others),

You should have a look at a thread posted by East Coast Tyke 'Some batting stats" -- now on page 6 of the Forum.

Read my analysis of ECT's stats and you'll see why Hodd should not be left out.

He was right up there as a contributor at key moments last season. The stats tell part of the story -- very much in his favour -- and they are reinforced by the timing, manner and conditions in which he contributed. I saw some or all of every CC match last year (except v Surrey at the Oval) and on the basis of what I saw he should definitely be in the team.

It's only because of the comparison with Bairstow that there's any debate at all.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Hodd

January 7 2017, 8:19 AM 

I think that's spot on. Now we have an alternative in Handscombe I think there's a strong case for Hodd not playing in white ball cricket. In the championship for the moment he's secure. To say he can't bat is completely unfair. As I've said before he's not a strong no 6, though he has seldom let us down. He has commonly batted at 8, where he's a real strength. Likely to be at 7 next season in Rashid's absence. Fine.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Hodd

January 7 2017, 10:00 AM 

I think Hodd is a certainty for the CC team irrespective of Hanscomb being available or able to keep. It's a good point that it's harsh to compare Hodd to the bloke who has just scored more test runs in a year than any other keeper and could get in the test team on his batting ability alone. Compare him to Brophy, Guy or others who have kept for Yorkshire in recent seasons. Or compare with keepers at other counties in div1. Simpson, Davies, Foster, Wheater, McManus Ambrose and whoever Lancashire have this season - another Davies in Buttlers absence?

The peer group is not that strong once you remove Bairstow and Hodd is a good number 8 which is fine when we have two all rounders like Bresnan and Rashid to bat ahead of him.


 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Hodd

January 7 2017, 10:06 AM 

Agree re Hodd deserving his place in the CC, saw him play a couple of crucial innings last year and it's totally unfair to hold him up against JB.

White ball though is a different matter, he doesn't inspire confidence when something special is required.

 
 
Cricket Yorkshire
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Re: Kolpaks

January 8 2017, 3:47 PM 

Good range of views on here around Kolpak - does it strengthen or endanger county cricket? Have summoned a few thoughts for Cricket Yorkshire today:
http://cricketyorkshire.com/kolpak-county-cricket/

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Kolpaks

January 9 2017, 1:55 PM 

David Miller who has already played for Yorks may be another looking to come over here via the Kolpak route, should we be interested?

 
 
Guest
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Re: Kolpaks

January 9 2017, 3:32 PM 

Yes, unfortunately we're too self-righteous about developing players to bother.

 
 
Lewis
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Re: Kolpaks

January 9 2017, 4:23 PM 

Would David Miller get in our County side?

The issue for me isn't a Kolpak its how many. Nothing wrong with one - Adds a lot of value and can hardly be used a huge negative to youth development.

It's when you have a few.

 
 
Cricket Yorkshire
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Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 4:48 PM 

Good shout on David Miller...would he need to go the Kolpak route? Depends partly on international caps but not sure how many needed to qualify.

 
 
Martin
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Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 7:19 PM 

In one day cricket Miller is great but averages 35 in first class cricket. Not sure he would get the nod ahead of an in form Leaning?

 
 
Guest
(Login Jacobus24)

Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 8:02 PM 

I don't see the club making the signing even if they considered him good enough. Last season Gale couldn't drop himself due to lack of competition in the squad, so given no replacement has arrived it looks like lessons haven't been learned.

 
 

Dave Morton
(Login DaveMorton)

Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 8:03 PM 

For those with short memories, I give you 2007.....(drum roll)......

That was the year we should have had Chris Adams but (thankfully in retrospect) he did his U-turn. In a bit of a panic, Yorkshire signed Jacques Rudolph as a Kolpak. We also had Jason Gillespie and Younus Khan as overseas players, later to be augmented (if that's the word) by Inzamam-ul-Haq and the wonderful Imran Tahir, culminating in defeat at Hove by an innings and 261 runs.

I would put that season, when we lost as many games as we won in Division 2, and in particular that match, as the lowest point in our history.

We contributed only Vaughan (capt) and Hoggard (just 1 match) to an England team which beat W Indies but lost at home to India, though both Sidebottom and Plunkett played, not Yorkshire players at the time.

In addition to the Kolpak and overseas men, we also had Gerard Brophy and Deon Kruis in the team, which was in danger of losing any semblance of 'Yorkshireness' or even Englishness. No fault of any of the players named, but that was the way we were heading.

Fortunately, the cavalry was just over the hill. Rashid, Shahzad and Gale played in 2007, Patterson and Lyth were on the fringes, Sidebottom and Plunkett would return, Bairstow and Root were promising teenagers, and there were great hopes for a trio of young fast bowlers: Lee, Sanderson and Hannon-Dalby.

Not only did these kids (plus Sidebottom) restore our Yorkshire pride, they went on to win County Championships and star for England, and make a lot of Yorkshire folk very happy indeed.

So stuff your Kolpaks.


 
 

dpressed
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Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 9:49 PM 

I think you'd better check your memory DM as in 2007 Yorkshire were in the first division of the championship & whilst we weren't challenging for honours we were never in danger of relegation. Rashid had played his first match at Scarborough in 2006 .... as a batsman covering for the injured Lehmann.

In fact we were so safe that they used a wet outfield as an excuse for Hampshire to get home early on the last day of our last match, which was at home. The Hants coach left before many members/supporters arrived.

'The faithful' then spent an hour stood outside the ground chatting for over an hour as it was a warm sunny day and Yorks wouldn't allow anyone in the ground.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 10:27 PM 

You could be right there, dpressed, I've been getting 2003 and 2007 mixed up in my head all week - I'm at that point in researching my second book - and I had already thought (and written!) that Gough had come in as captain after Adams did his U-turn, which isn't the case.

Some more rewriting to do. My apologies.

Those days at Hove in 2007 were pretty awful, though, but it was 2003 when we won 4 and lost 5 in Division 2, the year of Stephen Fleming and Yuvraj Singh, plus Damien Martyn, Gray, Hamilton, Kirby, Lumb and Swanepoel - another large bunch of non-Yorkshires.

The other stuff about 2007 is correct, Rashid playing as a teenaged regular, Lyth, Shahzad, Gale, etc, though I omitted Bresnan, I think, from the list of the up and coming.

We were particularly lucky with our Academy intake around that time, more than there seems to be 10 years on, but I believe strongly that you give your own players a chance. You know they're not all going to make it, hence the attraction of the quick-fix Kolpak, but every time a Leaning or a Rhodes or a Fisher comes through it encourages another bunch to think of making cricket a career.

I would hate to be a Hampshire fan and watch one South African after another walk to the crease. Where's the pride in that? And we were getting like that in both 2003 and in 2007.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Miller Lite?

January 9 2017, 10:41 PM 

Signing Jack Brooks and Shahzad being shown the door were instrumental for the 2 Championships being won. Its the culture of the player that's the most important factor for team unity and not where you were born, 2 great examples are Shahzad and Rashid.

 
 
 
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