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Geoff B
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Shoo-in

February 8 2017, 7:50 PM 

I have to agree that he should be a shoo-in but I think the way it is being handled is less than ideal. Not so much a vote of confidence in Joe, more an admission that they can't think of anyone else.

When Strauss resigned Cook was named as the new captain within about 10 minutes, certainly at the same press conference.

listened to the BBC cricket show last night looking for alternatives, which didn't need to happen.

They did agree it had to be Root eventually, except for Swann who seems to think Root is just a cheeky chappy, George Formby I think.

Out of interest.

Vaughan suggested Buttler!!
Swann went with Broad.
Collingwood unsurprisingly went with Stokes.


 
 
Guest
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Re: Shoo-in

February 8 2017, 8:54 PM 

Vaughan suggestion just sums him up when he picks a bloke not even in the team other than as a last resort in an overseas tour when three other batsmen have been injured or failed abysmally. Apart from the three tests in India how much four day or longer cricket has Jos played - and would he drop Bairstow too if making Buttler skipper?

 
 
WS55
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Re: Shoo-in

February 9 2017, 11:10 PM 

Would Buttler happen to be managed by the same marketing agency as Vaughan, by any chance?

 
 
Geoff B
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A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 8:37 AM 

King Strauss making a role for himself!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/38929267

Well at least Buttler didn't make the short list.


 
 
Stu
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 8:54 AM 

Amazing and amusing that Broad and Stokes are on the list. Broad acts like a petulant little schoolboy when he does not get his way and spits his dummy out, while Stokes has such a temper on him that will consistently get him into trouble and has not an ounce of "bottle". How they can even be considered as England captains is beyond me.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on Feb 10, 2017 3:35 PM


 
 
Guest
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 9:01 AM 

"Stokes has such a temper on him that will consistently get him into trouble"

any yet only one of Stokes and Root has been in an actual fight with an opposition player.

I must've listened to a different show to others on here. The one I listened to had Vaughan recommending Buttler as ODI captain, after Morgan, and Collingwood recommending Stokes as vice captain to Root in the test team.

 
 
PaulYorks
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 9:42 AM 

Is it your view that Stokes is more reliable and less volatile than Root, EYT? Just to be clear.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 10:01 AM 

That's correct, Buttler was touted as one day captain to take the pressure off Root. A very sensible suggestion considering he's the first name on the one day team sheet. I wouldn't have a problem with Stokes as vice captain, although if he did stand in for Root, there's no guarantee there won't be a diplomatic incident! Let's not kid ourselves that Root is an angel on the field though....

 
 
Guest
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 10:03 AM 

Not quite sure what you mean by "more reliable" but I was just stating a fact. Ben Stokes has certainly been involved in a few interesting incidents in the past but he is still only 25 and I'd certainly hope and believe that the added responsibility of leadership roles within the set up would help him mature further. To accuse someone, who at 21 years of age stood up to Mitchell Johnson at Perth and scored a 100 whilst older, more senior players crumbled around him of having "no bottle" is also an interesting take on him!


 
 
Geoff B
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EYT

February 10 2017, 10:03 AM 

That might explain a lot EYT.

The discussion on Cook's replacement took place from minute 37 to about 50. I suggest you listen again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04s6ynd

 
 
PaulYorks
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Re: A new way of doing things.

February 10 2017, 11:29 AM 

>> Not quite sure what you mean by "more reliable" but I was just stating a fact.

Well, there are facts and there are alternative facts. If I were attacked by somebody in a bar, I don't think I would necessarily consider that I'd 'been in an actual fight'. That phrase implies a degree of mutual consent.

 
 
YorkTyke
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 11:47 AM 

If Root does get the test captaincy and he continues to play for England in all formats I wonder if he would be happy to play under someone else in limited overs games. After all Australia, New Zealand and India have the same captain across all formats and they just happen to be the 3 players competing with Root to be acclaimed the best international batsman.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 12:31 PM 

Stuart, old lad, you do get a bit excitable. Stokes no bottle? I would put his century in Perth - against Harris and Johnson, on a pitch with the grand canyon running down the middle - as the best and bravest I have ever seen. Brian Close could not have bettered it.

I hope they make Broad captain for a couple more years. He'll be fine. Most of his antics are tongue in cheek and self deprecating, as in the Hardy's adverts. Our best Test bowler in all conditions. The Aussies targeted him because they feared him; same reason Warne targeted Bell and Panesar, before that.


 
 
PaulYorks
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 12:41 PM 

It's an interesting point. I think there's more to 'bottle' than physical bravery, and you could argue that Stokes' final over in the World T20 final showed a remarkable absence of it.

I wouldn't be against Broad having the job, although fast bowlers are always a risky choice due to the high probability of injury.

I don't know how Stokes conducts himself off-camera, but I think he would struggle with the PR side of the captaincy role. He always comes across as rather shy and 'green' in interviews, whereas Root seems like a more articulate and socially accomplished individual.

 
 
marsker
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 1:35 PM 

espn reporting broad been interviewed for the job.

 
 
marsker
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 1:35 PM 

espn reporting broad been interviewed for the job.

 
 
Stu
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Assistant Moderator

Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 3:20 PM 

If Stokes final 4 balls in the T20 Final was not bottling it, then I fail to see what is.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Shoo-in

February 10 2017, 3:38 PM 

Someone without an ounce of bottle wouldn't have even had the ball in their hand to bowl the last over, there's a massive difference.

 
 
Geoff B
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Alternative facts

February 10 2017, 4:11 PM 

To be fair the other 4 specialist bowlers had all bowled their overs so the last over needed to be bowled by Stokes, or Root.

We'll never know if Root would have done a better job!

 
 
Roundhegian
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Re: Alternative facts

February 10 2017, 4:31 PM 

Seems fairly clear Strauss does not want Root as test captain or they would have choreographed the succession so that Cook resigned one day and Joe was appointed the next.
What has happened since Monday seems like a process to appoint ABR (anyone but Root), while at the same time ensuring Strauss does not look foolish by overlooking the "obvious" choice, beginning with lining up pundits to go public with their preferred alternatives.

 
 
 
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