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BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016 at 12:59 AM

WRF  (Premier Login AlexRoberts)
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"Comment: Alastair Cook is kidding himself if he thinks England are close to matching India - they are one-dimensional, poorly captained and selecting the wrong team' - Geoffrey Boycott

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Geoff B
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 9:34 AM 

Sir Geoffrey not pulling his punches again.

My main worry is where this leaves the England Management.

I'm worried about the attitude of Bayliss in 3 main areas.

1. He doesn't seem all that interested in English cricket. He constantly admits he hasn't seen players and these are players on the verge of the England team. I would suggest he needs to get out more and learn about the players the selectors present him with.

2. He calls the talk of Cook standing down 'a pain in the bum' and says the job is Cooks for as long as he wants it. Well he's paid a lot of money to sort out problems with the captaincy. He can't just give Cook Carte blanche when it becomes more and more obvious he doesn't have a clue.

3. Picking 4 seamers for the last match with a specialist batsman coming in at 7 was clearly wrong. The rationale seems to be that someone like Ball might get a few runs late on. Well they made a few runs in the first innings, which might have been useful in a one day game, but was insignificant in the context of a test match in India.

The role of Strauss in team management muddies the water and makes it unclear who is responsible for what.


 
 
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:02 AM 

I've not read the whole article but the first few paragraphs make me laugh. Without irony Boycott is telling other cricketers they're one dimensional and need to be more gracious. He also, totally misrepresents what Anderson said about Kohli to suit his line of attack.

Also, Geoff B, your worries on Bayliss are interesting. You say he isn't all that interested in English cricket because he hasn't seen players on the fringe of the England team. Can I ask when he's meant to see these players, given the England schedule? Surely it's right he listens to other coaches/selectors who do spend time with these fringe players and get's their opinion?
Undoubtedly we did pick the wrong team in the last match but given our dearth of spin quality I'm not sure what difference it would have made had we picked another spinner or batsman.
We are not the first and we won't be the last team to take a hammering in India, given the way International cricket is these days.

 
 
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:02 AM 

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Martin
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:06 AM 

I agree Geoff -I cant help thinking that the Bayliss role needs reframing so that he has more time to look at county cricket - he will have a couple of months before the first test next year. Have to say it isn't ideal that his family are still in Sydney - he presumably wants to use every moment of down time to visit his family rather than look at the county scene

With Cook, I agree - does Bayliss talk about captaincy with Cook. How good is Bayliss in terms of his insights into captaincy?

The four seamer thing was really because the alternatives were considered worse but that doesn't make it right!

 
 
CB
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:16 AM 

Simple....Sack Bayliss and give Boycott the job!

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:19 AM 

Batty has been rubbish when given the chance, pick Dawson and that would have been pelted because he's a part timer. Unfortunately Leach was too busy taking 1 wicket against the Afghans to run through Kohli and co.

 
 
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:24 AM 

"he will have a couple of months before the first test next year"

No he won't. Before the first test year England have 2 ODI's against Ireland, 3 against South Africa, the Champions Trophy and then 3 T20's against South Africa.

 
 
Martin
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:36 AM 

"he will have a couple of months before the first test next year"

No he won't. Before the first test year England have 2 ODI's against Ireland, 3 against South Africa, the Champions Trophy and then 3 T20's against South Africa.!"

He will if Test Cricket is a priority for him! We don't really have much of a problem with our ODI and T20 form. I suspect Farbrace has at least as much to do with that. So let Farbrace take charge of at least some of these games and allow Bayliss to spend time observing a few county games. As I say, I think they need to have a good look Bayliss and his remit - they need to give him the space to do his job properly.

 
 
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Re: BOYCOTT | Alastair Cook is kidding himself

December 14 2016, 10:43 AM 

We have a global ODI tournament in this country the beginning of next summer, that is the priority going into the first few months of 2017. One of the main reasons he was appointed, as the article says, was his record in white ball cricket. If his "downtime" is watching cricket to pick out players then that's not "downtime" is it?

In his first 18 months as coach he's won an Ashes test series and an away test series in South Africa, hardly the record of someone who hasn't a clue what he's doing.

 
 
peter
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bayliss

December 14 2016, 3:12 PM 

it just shows that giving Bayliss the job was the wrong decision it should have gone to Jason he has just had four years on the county circuit and has seen a lot of players young and old i bet when a player gets himself out to a poor shot nothing is said but you can bet if boycott was in charge he would get a right telling off the problem is when the team play bad they go into their shell but if they win you can't shut them up and they are the best team in the world that is with egos .

 
 
Guest
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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 3:20 PM 

"it just shows that giving Bayliss the job was the wrong decision"

Sorry Peter, can you clarify what you mean by "it" in this please?

 
 

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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 3:42 PM 

Think Bayliss has been good in some aspects of being England coach and found wanting in others. His lack of knowledge of county players is obviously a drawback but cant see how this can be overcome quickly with the international schedule at the moment.
Think it may be better in future to have an England Test Match coach and a Limited Overs England coach.

Think for the best that Jason Gillespie was not appointed England coach with the issues that came up with his family while at Yorkshire.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 5:00 PM 

I see Geoffrey can still start an argument in Yorkshire! It's about all he's good for, mind. High time TMS pulled the plug on him.

 
 
WR_Metcalfe
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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 8:40 PM 

Pick the wrong team, you might lose the Test Match, pick the wrong squad you will lose a long series. I think the last team was the best they could have done with the boys in India.

 
 
Guest
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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 9:00 PM 

I love how Boycott gives his forthright view which is bang on the money for all to see and some people start to tell him he is starting arguments and should be pensioned off by the media.

Do some of you think Cook is a tactical genius, that we have the right squad there and that we are on a par with India and just been a tad unlucky?

If all you can do is use social media to slate people whose views are 100% accurate then perhaps look in the mirror to see who should stop posting and writing cricketing views.

Cook has never been a great leader but in the absence of any others he took on the role and a strong team has masked his lack of tactical nous. The selectors of the squad have had a couple of chances to get it right and failed both times. Finn, Ball, Ballance Duckett and Dawson should be nowhere near India at the moment. Jennings, Leach, Rayner and Roland Jones along with Stoneman should have been selected.

And the batting order and bowling tactics have left a lot to be desired. I don't care if Bayliss is busy but he has to find time to watch county cricket. The last game of the CC season at Lords could have told him Ballance wasn't in form in no time at all. There were no England games as we know from Root and Bairstow not being available. And it was the top two in the table at the time in the shop window.

Geoff might not say it as you like but the message is spot on

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: bayliss

December 14 2016, 9:15 PM 

I don't think Cook is a tactical genius, nor do I worship at the altar of Geoffrey. I am however entitled to post my opinion on this forum without the need to take a look in the mirror.

 
 

Alex
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Re: bayliss

December 15 2016, 3:31 AM 

Sir Geoff isn't always right but his batting average is pretty high. He's Yorkshire treasure and long may he call out the buffoonery and cynicism emanating from the top levels of English cricket.

 
 
Leg Glance
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Re: bayliss

December 15 2016, 9:14 AM 

Straight talking, forthright, does not suffer fools and more often than not right. Sounds like the archetypal Yorkshireman.

Hee'll do for me.

(The hee'll is deliberate)

 
 
Geoff B
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Bayliss

December 15 2016, 9:49 AM 

The thing about his lack of knowledge of English players cannot be glossed over by saying he hasn't the time to go see them. I'm not advocating he has to do what the selectors do. But with every game being recorded, albeit some pretty basically, he could have a look at names being put forward so he has some input at selection meetings.

He could certainly leave the Champions Trophy, which is a global International cricket event only in the minds of PR men, in the hands of Paul Farbrace and spend the first few weeks of June watching some proper cricket.

 
 
 
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