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Seadog73
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 6:14 PM 

Ballance got it wrong at the toss imo. I suspect this would have been a different game had we batted first. Live and learn.

 
 

Guest
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 6:44 PM 

Just sat on train from Worcester.
Lovely place to watch cricket.
Thought we started sluggish and handed the initiative to Worcs and never took it back.
Still had an outside chance until Ballance suicidal run out.
Not really surprised we lost this with so many undercooked second string players in.
Think Fisher, Waite and Leaning will probably make the step up the first team county cricket in time but not sure about Rhodes.

 
 
Steve C
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 7:02 PM 

My favourite place to watch cricket.
Lovely cake.
We let them get too many runs - once Ballance was out we were never going to do it.
We fought well and showed good spirit - perhaps we should have batted first........?

No disgrace. The better team on the day won.

 
 
Stu
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 7:16 PM 

Worcestershire should have been the better side, as we had 5 reserves in. There would have been something drastically wrong if they had not been better than us.

I would not be surprised if Derbyshire were also better than us on Sunday.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on May 5, 2017 7:28 PM


 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 8:21 PM 

Not really Stu. Might not be or best XI but still a team that should be a match for Worcs and certainly better than Derbys.

Rhodes' role is abit confusing though. Was he picked as a specialist batsman to bat at 7 then promoted to 3 during the chase. If he wasn't going to bowl today, when is he?

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 8:33 PM 

It is difficult to see where Rhodes fits in now. Waite now seems to be ahead of him in the pecking order.

 
 
Loiner
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 8:45 PM 

It's about time Leaning, Rhodes and to a lesser extent Lees did something to justify a place in the team. We can't continue with just 3 batsmen capable of getting runs

 
 
Tyke1950
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 9:03 PM 

Some pretty ordinary bowling; too short and too straight a lot of the time. The fielding effort was somewhat under par. Handscomb batted splendidly. His dismissal was reckless but by then the damage had been done. Lyth's dismissal was brainless. He was batting so well. The critical moment was the running out of Ballance. I'm not sure whether blame should be apportioned but it was such a pity because the two of them were adopting a measured and effective response to the task.
Worcester bowled a fuller length in general and varied their pace well. Taking pace off the ball became a more effective tactic as the match wore on. D'Oliviera outbowled Rafiq, whose first spell was poor. Worcestershire's fielding was sharper than Yorkshire's.

On the day, the better team won. Annoying and disappointing but it was a grand day out in lovely sunshine at a beautiful ground.


 
 
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 9:07 PM 

But Lyth Handscomb and Ballance are international and experienced players whereas Lees, Rhodes and Leaning are not. Hence the difference in performance. If we had a team of others with international experience they would be even more away with England. Somewhere in the team we have to allow new players to be in, learn and improve as the old lags once did.

At least we were beaten by a team not overly reliant on kolpaks so fair play to Worcestershire who have several Yorkshire connections with Rhodes, Sharp and Kohler-Cadmore who will be happy boys tonight

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 10:15 PM 

If you insert the opposition in the 50-over game, you have to take early wickets. I actually heard that Ballance had won the toss and made his decision before I saw the scorecard, so my assumption was that Coad must have been included. It seemed odd to insert and yet leave out the obvious in-form, wicket-taking bowler. Patto proved me both right and wrong, in the sense that they did line him up and tee off, but he fought back very strongly and took wickets at a key time. For a moment, it looked as though serious scoreboard pressure could be avoided, but Leach and Hastings got away at the end.
Their partnership recovered the advantage for Worcs. when it had been slipping and the Ballance run-out pretty much put the lid on things when there had still seemed a decent chance of keeping up with the required rate. I see someone is blaming Handscomb for the run-out, but both players seemed to be in two minds at the same time - and all as a result of a poor piece of fielding by Worcs! I see some are also questioning the selection of Rhodes, but he has been scoring a bucketful of runs in the 2s (147 yesterday). To be honest, he didn't look any more or less in touch than Jack Leaning: neither should be blamed for not being Joe Root or Jonny Bairstow. Meanwhile, I thought the two Matthews both impressed. Waite had difficulty getting d'Oliveira away, but was sensibly patient and hit some good drives off the seamers. Fisher should surely have been promoted above Azeem Rafiq, whose batting - once so promising - seems to have deserted him entirely.
One other outstanding feature today was that there seemed to be plenty of help for the young bowlers when they were getting "tap". It was nice to see Bresnan, Rafiq and others running across to offer advice.

Yorkshire players took 18 wickets in the first session of today's play. A pity that 8 of them came in the pretty meaningless fixture at Bristol. And you have to feel Root and Bairstow were wasted in a 28-run partnership against the likes of Peter Chase and Stuart Thompson, who aren't even household names in their own households.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 10:35 PM 

I'm more questioning his role rather than selection. I'd have him at 7, bowling a few overs.

If he's now a specialist batsman then i probably would question his selection.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 10:48 PM 

There's a difficulty with both Rhodes and Waite in such a strong county squad. Waite made a pretty good case for himself today, but they probably both suffer from being not quite good enough with the ball to displace a bowler - and ditto with the bat.
I think the club has to do a "reverse JFK" and, at this stage, ask what the club can do for them rather than what they can do for the club. The best way forward for Rhodes may be to treat him as a batsman - for now. Then at least he gets on with doing one thing or the other. After all, he has been shunted about a lot and given lots of different roles (including makeshift CC opener, which he did more than adequately). And when the emphasis goes back on to four-day cricket later in the season, might it not make sense to loan the two of them out somewhere where they'll get division 2 game time?


    
This message has been edited by Dewsburian on May 5, 2017 10:50 PM


 
 
Geoff B
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 5 2017, 11:16 PM 

Whether it was a superb batting display by Kohler-Cadmore and Mitchell or poor bowling from Yorkshire the first 25 overs is where the match was won and lost.

Patterson may have got 3 wickets and Fisher 2 but they came after the damage had been done and I don't think we are getting the best out of Bresnan using him to open the bowling.

Coad in for Patterson for me on Sunday, early wickets are vital in this competition.

Batting wise we got off to a decent start thanks to Lyth, but we ended up relying on the class of Handscomb and Ballance once again with nobody else good enough to support them.

Not sure we have too many batting options. Perhaps think about bring Hodd back as keeper and to provide somebody to stick around and support Handscomb/Ballance in place of Rhodes.

Not sure what the story was with Rhodes but I'm finding it difficult to justify his selection in anything but 2nd XI cricket since he turned 20.


 
 
Ball-Sup (Phil)
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 6 2017, 6:25 PM 

I've just got back from Worcester. Yorkshire got trounced in the Beer Stakes an' all.
Six cask beers on in The Tom Graveney Members Lounge. Four from the core Greene King range.
One true guest - Saltaire, Sir Titus.
And, an interesting choice from the far reaches of the Green King range. Belhaven, Wembley 67. A beer commemorating the Scottish Football team became World Champions.

I also went to The Firefly - my new favourite pub in Worcester. a great Craft Keg range & some good 'uns on cask. Including what is rapidly becoming my all time favourite beer. Wylam, Jakehead at 6.3%.

Charge the bowlers. They can't find a line nor length. It's either in the slot or leg side wide.

Anyway, there's more of all that on the Blog for the Terminally Interested....

http://ball-sup.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/pears-6-yccc-1.html

PHIL

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: One-Day Cup | Worcestershire vs Yorkshire at Worcester (Match Thread)

May 6 2017, 7:56 PM 

Phil, perhaps drinking 6.3 ale explains your sudden comings and goings and why it's taken you so long to get back from Worcester!

Try a nice gentle Bombardier burning gold at 4.1, especially refreshing if, and when the sun is out.

 
 
 
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