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One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017 at 6:54 AM

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May 7, 2017 - North Group at Headingley, Leeds

YORKSHIRE from: Gary Ballance (Capt), Tim Bresnan, Karl Carver, Ben Coad, Matthew Fisher, Ryan Gibson, Peter Handscomb (Wkt), Jack Leaning, Alex Lees, Adam Lyth, Steven Patterson, Azeem Rafiq, Will Rhodes, Matthew Waite.

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Alex
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Handscomb century

May 7 2017, 1:51 PM 

Handscomb is certainly proving to be a great signing, at least in the limited overs version...106 not out and going well.
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Dwight_Schrute
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 1:54 PM 

Was abit worried about the long tail. But the batsmen have delivered. Leaving us with probably our best attack available.

 
 
WS55
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 2:03 PM 

Is 400 on?

 
 
WS55
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 2:08 PM 

Oops, jinxed them. Sorry about that.

 
 
JG
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 2:12 PM 

Got to say Handscomb has massively exceeded expectations in the white ball game so far, I believe this is the third time he has exceeded his career best List A score whole playing for Yorkshire (87 v Lancaster, 88 v Worcs and now a maiden century today). As Dwight says, a ballsy selection with only 5 specialist batsmen, thankfully they have delivered.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 4:28 PM 

Derbyshire four down now - a wicket apiece for the three young seamers. We suddenly look ridiculously strong in that department.

 
 
Alibor
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 6:00 PM 

This game is far from over and we seriously need a wicket, especially centurian Madsen, always thorn in our flesh. Pressure is really on now for our three young seamers. And Coad does trick 😀 Star in the making,


    
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Thomas
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 7:42 PM 

Seemed to make hard work of that, but a win is a win and all the better without England players. Great to see Coad can do it in the one-day stuff as well. Credit to Derbyshire for taking the game so deep. With England players coming back for next 2, hopefully we'll win the group which would be important as it avoids having to,play a quarter-final.

For Northants I reckon Lees, Leaning, Carver, Waite and Fisher will drop out for England players

 
 
Stu
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 8:19 PM 

That got mighty close in the end. If Critchley had come in a couple of overs earlier, we could well have lost that.

Good to know we can win without the ECB 5, as we will need to repeat that task in the quarters and semis, against much better teams than Derbyshire.

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 8:37 PM 

Pleased with the result. Our two remaining reliable batsmen pushed us to a score that proved to be just enough. You get the feeling we might need to bat first and set 370+ to feel relatively safe against anyone we'd face in the quarters/semis though!

 
 

dpressed
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 8:47 PM 

When does a win not feel like a win? Today was a good example.

Lees & Lyth set off like a train, but, as usual both + Leaning got in then got themselves out skyiny a big one. Thankfully Handscomb batted well & along with Ballance. They got out to consecutive balls when we should have been accelearating. Most teams 'go big' off the last 10 overs, Yorkshire just subside.

Derby's inning was the opposite was round. At 126-5 halfway, needing 350 to win Derby looked out of it. Madsen was already on his way & he found a good partner in Smit. But even so it was often one good over for Derby followed by a good one for Yorks. Thankfully Coad got Masden, when Recce went cheaply it was all over as Derby needed over 100 off just under 8 overs. Whilst Critchley bashed & Smit tried it was, thankfully, to much for them, the run rate forever increasing.

So yes, a win is a win, but it was a bit too close for comfort.

 
 
Stu
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 8:48 PM 

We are looking more and more like a three man team. Take away the England guys and in the 8 matches played so far, we have 2 batsmen scoring nearly all our runs and Ben Coad having over 1/2 of our wickets.


Worrying is Tims form this season, and it is time that we got some meaningful contributions from some of the other players.

The time may come when Hanscombe and/or Ballance fail & Coad gets no wickets and we will struggle.


    
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Thomas
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 9:45 PM 

We have three players in excellent form at the moment, and it won't remain that way all season; but the players not performing at their best will come into form at some point as well. It's not as if the others are unable to return to form. Just enjoy the ones who are in form at the moment!

Incidentally I'd say it's pretty important we win the group, as it would mean we would only have to play one knock-out game without the 'ECB 5'

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 9:54 PM 

A little bit of tension at the end but it never felt like we were going to lose, just took till the last over to be absolutely certain sure.

I think it was an excellent batting wicket and we could have been up around 380 but for a poor last few overs.

I know it's not strictly necessary in 50 overs but only Ballance seemed capable of beating the field by playing cute reverse sweeps and little dabs etc. Handscomb seems to have plenty of time and he has excellent placement so proper cricket is fine from him.

Once our two class batsmen had gone too many were biffing it straight to the field for singles and generally behaving like headless chickens. We did have a long tail and it showed.

Anyway a win is a win and we should be able to win our 2 away games with the England men back. We would probably be favorites to win all 3 remaining games and end up topping the group and going straight to a home semi final.

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 7 2017, 10:10 PM 

3 out of 3 at Headingley by the way. At least we seem to have laid the "Headingley Hoodoo" in one day cricket to rest.

 
 
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Some pluses today

May 7 2017, 10:18 PM 

It was pleasing to see a young side in the field, where they excelled. The enthusiasm, hunger and commitment was palpable. Yes, Bressy was, once again, not at his best, but my word did he put some effort into mentoring the young bowlers. The last time I saw senior Yorkshire players nurturing their younger colleagues to this extent, is over a decade ago when White and Lehmann sat on the shoulders of Rashid and Lawson on a sunny afternoon in Scarborough and nursed them through every delivery; to memorable effect.

Leening and Carver were exceptional in their outfield positions. Coad, Fisher and Waite all contributed well with either bat or ball (or both) and the experienced batsmen had scored enough runs to let the inexperienced bowlers do their work.

I try to refrain from gratuitous denigration, but for what he contributes (IMO) Hodd would be a better selection than Rafiq. Carver and Lyth could provide a better spin option, whilst Hodd would take some of the weight off Handscomb and would enhance the fielding potential, whilst it is difficult to believe that his contribution with the bat could be as poor.


    
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Jay
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 8 2017, 8:12 AM 

I think that's not a bad call replacing Rafiq with Hodd, as this will give us more depth of batting. The slight worry is that Lyth, Leaning and Lees are not contributing enough and there's an over-reliance on Handscombe and Ballance.Once we go beyond Handscombe and Ballance, there's not much batting considering Bressie is struggling a bit at present.

 
 

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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 8 2017, 9:12 AM 

Thw worrying thing about Lyth, Lees & Leaning is that all the have got themselves in, but then got out 'going for the big one'. It just another faset of the problem we've had for years in one day cricket. Players & the team do well but then do stupid things under pressure. This season its been shown in the last 10 overs of an innings, other teams up their run rate, our usually dips.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: One-Day Cup | Yorkshire vs Derbyshire at Leeds (Match Thread)

May 8 2017, 10:02 AM 

I don't think this question of players getting in and then getting themselves out in 50-over cricket is quite the problem we might think it is. Only a season or so ago, Yorkshire were absolutely plodding through the early overs of these matches. Then there was a switch to the approach that most other counties had adopted (under the influence of 20/20 and the national team's change of philosophy) of simply blazing away until you're out and trusting the rest of the team to keep doing the same. The theory seems to be that it's better to get near to 300 and then subside to that total - or go on to get somewhere near 400 - than to crawl to 200 and bet everything on the last ten overs.
I think this means that if the team has 70 off 10 overs, as Yorkshire had yesterday, then instead of playing safe and taking another 80-100 off the next 20 overs, with the hope of doubling the 30-over score by the end (another assumption that has no longer been valid in recent seasons), the tendency now is to continue to blaze away and hope to make that elusive score that the opposition just can't reach. Similarly, the idea of rebuilding, after the fall of a wicket or two, has come to mean taking a couple of balls to get your breath, rather than five or six overs to "steady the ship". With this new strategy (and other counties have been applying it for longer than Yorkshire), there's a tendency for top order batsmen to be criticized for playing needless - or even brainless - shots that get them out. But that's rather like expecting every batsman in a CC game to get to 50. There are higher risks involved in this strategy, which is actually based on the knowledge that only 2 or 3 of the batsmen (or perhaps only even 1) will make a big score.
I'm in no doubt that this change has come about because 20/20 shows there are no safe first innings scores any more. I think, to be fair to the players, we have to judge them on the basis of what the team in general are trying to do, though if we think the club doesn't have the appropriate resources (in general or on some particular day) for this strategy, then I think it would be fairer to criticize the strategy than the players who are trying to implement it.

 
 
 
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