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Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017 at 2:20 AM
Loiner  (Login TheLoiner)

 
Graham Hardcastle at the end of his report in the York presshttp://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/cricket/yorkshire/15270719.Aussie_Handscomb_stars_again_as_Yorkshire_defeat_Derbyshire/

"Meanwhile, it is understood that Yorkshire have made an approach to sign Worcestershire batsman Tom Kohler-Cadmore, who scored a 50-over century against them on Friday.

Kohler-Cadmore played under 15s cricket with Yorkshire alongside Leaning and Coad. His family still live in Hull, and he is out of contract at New Road this winter."

 
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Idle man
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 8:24 AM 

As I said on the Worcs match thread, this would be much more feasible than some suggested signings. He ticks all our various boxes: one of our own, a reliable run scorer, but probably not going to be quite good enough to be raided by England. And though I had a little guilt in relation to Northants over Brooks and Willey, I'd have absolutely none with regard to Worcester if this went ahead.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 8:50 AM 

He has the kind of name that you remember so when he has a good match it sticks in the memory. He certainly had a good match against us last time out.

His first class figures look very modest and he is in Div 2.

The way cricket is going perhaps he's being considered just as a white ball specialist.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 9:41 AM 

Kohler-Cadmore has been a bit of a "great white hope" down in Worcestershire. He was in the second team at quite a young age and I think he may have been promoted into the firsts in a bit of a hurry. He certainly had a very bad trot early on in his f-c career, which affects his figures, but Worcs. had released the likes of Pardoe and Pinner who might have replaced him and they stuck with him for quite a long time before, I think, bringing Kervezee back to give him some respite. (There was a "late developer" from Shropshire, whose name escapes me, who was brought in for 20/20 and also opened in the CC for a while, but he was released too).
K-C is a fairly classical sort of batsman and I don't remember seeing him play for Worcs IIs as anything other than a 3-day opener. He is a good clean hitter when he wants to be, but I don't see him as someone looking for a white ball career only.
I think this would be an excellent move from Yorkshire, as it would also presumably discourage Worcs. from continually trying to tempt Yorkshire age-group players down to Malvern - though I think they are now restricted to doing this at a rate of one per year. Mind you, I say this with a tinge of ambivalence, as I've had some very happy moments batting in the lee of the Malvern hills.
Just a footnote to K-C's f-c career. I think he's tended either to get no runs at all or big runs. I used to think that was a sign of "class", but it may be one of those prejudices that don't quite fit the modern game. It would be interesting to know what other people think.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 11:22 AM 

He's clearly a talented player and the fact Worcts and Malvern poached him shows he must have ability and potential.

I think he may have been promoted through the teams at Worcts very quickly and struggled in his first couple of years but he is the better for the experience now. Therefore don't judge a young player on his stats alone when some knocks will have been as an inexperienced teenager whereas his peer group elsewhere may not have even debuted yet.

He would be a good hire for us as back up batting is minimal and the chance for him to step up to div 1 would benefit his development.

Last player we took from Worcts was probably Stemp but they have a history of taking from us with Rhodes, Leatherdale and Illingworth all being ex yorkies (not necessarily having played for us)

 
 
Martin
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 12:08 PM 

it is counter-intuitive, but I think big and successful clubs with a large number of test players are not necessarily as attractive as you might think for established players who are only going to move if they are nailed on for regular cricket. We might complain now about Lees and Lyth, but they are both players who average 40 - and in close season will look like immovable objects to a potential signee. Handscombe is our overseas, Ballance is batting like a demon. Bresnan averaged nearly 50 batting at six last season etc. You then only need Bairstow to lose form and come back into the fold, and the established player suddenly looks less than secure.

So I think signing someone like Kohler-Cadmore is more realistic (he gets to play first division cricket for a big club but knows that there may be times when he doesn't get a game, he is young and can improve and but is not near England selection at the moment).

 
 
Lew
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 12:42 PM 

I think he would be a very good signing who will improve our top order 50 over/T20 limited over teams considerably.

He has the Yorkshire link, a good age and as mentioned earlier, may be one of those who misses out for England.

I accept his County form is shady. I would look at this as a potential benefit to our limited over sides with the potential to cover (and hopefully grow into) a lower middle order County option.

 
 
JollyD
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Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 2:22 PM 

He has certainly matured both as a cricketer and as a person in the last two years. Perhaps the two go hand in hand. What we don't know is the player's own desires. In recent years, ambitious Worcestershire players have tended to look south rather than north.
While his family does still live in East Yorkshire (his brother Ben plays for Driffield in the Yorkshire League),
this may not be a motivating factor.
The point raised about where he would fit in our batting line-up is a valid one. He is hardly likely to swap a nailed on first team place at Worcestershire for a bit part in Yorkshire, even for better money.
Finally, there is an assumption made that every cricketer aspires to play for Yorkshire. We read it on this forum with regard to Davies, Stoneman and Borthwick among others. We have to accept that this is not necessarily the case.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 3:19 PM 

This is all quite intriguing. It's true that Worcestershire players have often gone south rather than north in recent years, though Stephen Moore went to Lancashire in 2009 and Moeen Ali has been linked with a return to Edgbaston. Generally I think they're mostly after better money and/or a "big" club that can act as a springboard to the international scene, so Headingley is probably as good a move as the Oval. Not a lot of promising second division players have moved "sideways" lately, though Shiv Thakor is a notable exception and you wouldn't say it had improved his England prospects.
If Yorkshire haven't put out feelers and received positive feedback from the Driffield area, then it's possible, I suppose, that this is just a shot across Worcestershire's bows: stop poaching our youngsters or we'll force you to give them very long contracts to hold on to them.
It's good, as ever, to have your insights, Jolly D. I do appreciate your knowledge of the local Yorkshire scene.

 
 
Idle Man
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 3:26 PM 

I'd be surprised if Yorkshire approached him without some preparatory enquiries. He has friends in the Yorkshire squad, as well as family in the county.

 
 
JG
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 8 2017, 6:44 PM 

Sounds like a good move to me. TKC looks a good prospect, has Yorkshire links and would fill an area of our squad we probably need to strengthen. Given our record of developing England players and competing for trophies in all formats (3 white ball SFs in the last two years in addition to the Championship successes) I would imagine Yorkshire are a pretty attractive proposition for players at most counties; we don't even know that Yorkshire were interested in at least two of the players that we apparently 'missed out on' over the winter...

It would be interesting to know when the approach was made incidentally; I would have thought an approach from a bigger county might be quite a big motivating factor, with his century against us perhaps the inevitable result...

 
 
Loiner
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 16 2017, 7:59 PM 

Again showing why we're interested, dynamic one day opener

 
 
Old Feller
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 16 2017, 8:21 PM 

He also has the advantage of being right handed, I've always preferred to have a LH & RH batsman opening the innings.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 17 2017, 10:40 AM 

Worcestershire have had a stream of Yorkshire-born players on their books over the last few years. One who might not be so clearly remembered is Shaaiq Choudhry from Rotherham. Since there may not be too many readers of the Cotswold Journal on this forum, I thought the following link might possibly be of interest. It's one of those reminders that the "fringe" players on the county circuit are never very far away from having to think laterally.
http://www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/business/14128472.Former_Worcestershire_cricketer_now_smash_hit_in_the_fashion_world/

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 17 2017, 10:53 AM 

I'm not sure it would be a good move for K-Cadmore. He wouldn't get near our Championship side, would he?

Now Joe Clarke....

 
 
Guest
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 17 2017, 1:30 PM 

It would depend on a few things like England availability, who we get as overseas, Ballances form and England recall and whether he wants to come back to Yorkshire.


 
 
Martin
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 17 2017, 5:42 PM 

Warwickshire also interested apparently.

Presumably he would be competing for a place in our champo side with Leaning?

 
 
JollyD
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Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 17 2017, 11:26 PM 

It would be interesting if he were to be in competition with Leaning for a place. When they were 15 they opened together for Yorkshire boys. They progressed to the North of England side, but only Leaning played for England in that age group. He was generally considered a better prospect.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 18 2017, 12:59 AM 

I would have thought K-C much less polished as a batsman than Jack Leaning, but he certainly gives it a biff. In Championship terms I have been more impressed with Joe Clarke (the best player of his generation, but short of runs in 2017), Tom Fell and Brett D'Oliveira, who also gives his team a legbreak option. We will remember him batting beautifully at Scarborough.

The others have no Yorkshire connections, of course.

 
 
Idle Man
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Re: Approach for Kohler-Cadmore

May 27 2017, 2:22 PM 

Worcs are looking increasingly good. If they go up I'd have thought our chances of making this signing will diminish considerably.

 
 
 
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