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Me4791
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Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:27 AM 

To be honest I am surprised the National Media have not cottoned on to it. There has been nothing and I am sure a lot of cricket journos listen to the podcast. It seems the type of story they would like. Hopefully it stays that way and there is no mention.

 
 
JG
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:36 AM 

Where would they have leapt to his defence? The only place I've seen this mentioned is on here, as the poster above states it hasn't been picked up by the media (yet).

 
 
PaulYorks
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 11:30 AM 

Agreed. It's an irresponsible, needlessly unpleasant piece of journalism, and hopefully will stay under the radar.

One thing seems clear, though: Morgan is not a JB fan. This from last Thursday's Daily Fail:

"'It's completely different to his Test position, where Jonny's the No 1 keeper,' said Morgan, confirming that Billings would keep today for the first time since September. 'We don't see much difference between Jonny and Sam with the gloves and this is an opportunity to have a look at Sam. This isn't a straight second keeper choice and that's been explained to Jonny a number of times.'"

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 11:35 AM 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-champions-trophy-2017/content/story/1096877.html

Morgan seems to praise Jonny in this article! To say he isn't a fan wouldn't be fair on either.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 11:59 AM 

Geoff

You can't be aware of Moeens secret tattoo!

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 12:01 PM 

I'm trying to get my head round the Irish logic.

Obviously, in any competition, some player is going to fail. When that happens, we just bring in Jonny B as replacement and he doesn't fail. And that's okay because he doesn't complain about not playing in the early stages.

Would that be about it?

Obviously we could pick him at the start, but to do that we would have to leave out someone else, and we don't know - in advance - whether we've left out the one who would have failed, or one of those who would not have failed. So that's how it is. Bairstow out.

Personally, not being Irish, I struggle to understand how anyone could think Jason Roy (or Hales, or Morgan himself) has anything like the ability of Jonny, with the bat. The wicket-keeping is a different issue entirely.

 
 
PaulYorks
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 12:02 PM 

Perhaps "not a fan" was the wrong expression, and I'm sure he admires Jonny's ability - who wouldn't? But the phrase "that's been explained to Jonny a number of times" doesn't suggest good communications.

 
 
sid
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 1:56 PM 

This is Team England and Morgan is in charge. Its not a selection committee of days previous. Morgan a man of arrogance, huge ego and, to be fair, some loyalty to his players. morgan is is calling the champions trophy shots.

All evidence suggests JB is a better bat than Roy (without doubt) and Hales (with some debate) but Morgan wants Hales and Roy to open and Buttler (marginal but fair enough) to keep. This is what will happen. Whatever JB does he'll only get in the Champions trophy team via injury to one of the others.

I still maintain JB opening in the 50 over comp for Yorks (which is the best option for Yorkshire) has been viewed as an act of disloyalty to Roy by Morgan. JB is showing the debatable nature of this pick and Morgan doesn't like that.

I don't like Morgan and do like JB. I'm not at impartial poster.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 2:14 PM 

"All evidence suggests JB is a better bat than Roy (without doubt) and Hales (with some debate)"

Does "All" this evidence include their actual List A records because, if so, why are Roy's and Hales' better than Jonny's?

"I still maintain JB opening in the 50 over comp for Yorks (which is the best option for Yorkshire) has been viewed as an act of disloyalty to Roy by Morgan. JB is showing the debatable nature of this pick and Morgan doesn't like that."

As for that comment.............


    
This message has been edited by EastYorkshireTyke on May 10, 2017 2:45 PM


 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 2:33 PM 

All recent evidence this season.....

So Johnny gets to say where he bats for Yorkshire now? It's bad enough England telling Gale and Ballance our batting order but I don't believe for one minute that the players have carte Blanche over where they bat.

And even if he does then it was a great call wasn't it for the benefit of the team

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 3:47 PM 

Didn't England try Bairstow as opener in a warm up game in the winter anyway?

Seems bizarre if it's been viewed as a plot by Yorkshire to unseat Roy.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 4:12 PM 

You mean the one where he top scorer and they then left him out the next game?

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 5:16 PM 

It was his efforts in that game that required him to rest at the start of the 2017 season.

 
 
JG
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 6:58 PM 

The fact that Hales and Roy have England's highest and third highest individual scores in ODI cricket and their overall impressive records may have something to do with their selection.

This debate is becoming as divisive as Hughes's original comments; isn't it enough to say that England are lucky enough to have some excellent one-day batsmen at their disposal at present and Jonny is merely the unfortunate one who has to play first reserve?

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 8:12 PM 

Why is Morgan being portrayed as some sort of gangland boss? "Viewed as disrespectfull to Roy"!! Hilarious.

 
 
Graham
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:56 PM 

I think it's very likely that YCCC knew that Bairstow was (is) only keeping Lees' place warm for him in the 50 over team (remember it was first thought JB and the other England players would only be available for three matches and after Sunday they won't be available again until the final).

To not disrupt the batting order too much when Lees returned they asked JB to bat where Lees would bat, knowing his agressive batting would also suit in getting us off to a flier in the early powerplay. I very much doubt it had anything to do with England at all.


    
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Geoff B
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 11:17 PM 

Never heard of acast before. Checking the website I see among the podcasts it is pushing today is +my dad wrote a Chistmas porno+ most unseasonal!

I've never been into blogs and podcasts etc but it might be the way the world of journalism is going and the two Simon's I presume are attempting to supplement their more mainstream income. Perhaps you have to be controversial to be heard out there.

Don't mind Simon Hughes mostly but he can be a bit of an old woman and he does like to intimate he has inside knowledge.

Simon Mann has a good voice but he should stick to football.


 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 11 2017, 7:23 AM 

Little price for loyalty and commitment though.

Who decided not to tour India last winter? Which players are regularly unavailable due to ipl commitments?

Bairstows odi average of 37.25 compares favourably with both openers who have 38.67 and 38.55 respectively. So stats alone don't wholly support the argument and scores of 162 or 171 mean there must be other low scores too for an average under 40.

Plus Bairstow bats down the order so is often not able to bat for as long as the openers and has had no continuity of selection.

Yes all three are talented but it's not as simple as selective stats suggest.

If you picked on a players career stats Lara would still be playing with Murali.

Pick on current form and then tell me if Johnny not good enough.

I also don't buy the argument that they don't want to unsettle a team before the champions trophy lie a few years ago when they ditched Cook as skipper and opener at the last minute. In that case it wasn't about getting a good in form player into the team it was about getting out a player not suited to one day cricket (despite his ton this week!). And if you want a settled side for the CT then why haven't you insisted the ipl players return for the Ireland games!?


    
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JG
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 11 2017, 10:11 AM 

That's a slightly different story: England were performing abysmally in the run up to that World Cup, whereas this time they are favourites.

More stats? Since the start of 2016 Roy and Hales are the 8th and 9th leading scorers in ODI cricket, with 6 centuries between them, strike rates above 100 and averages of 43 and 67 respectively. They have been good over a sustained period of time, the England side has been good over a sustained period of time, it is hardly surprising they want to continue with the same players.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 11 2017, 10:19 AM 

Even if there are potentially better ones not in the team?

I think the focus on bairstow opening is due to him doing this for Yorkshire recently but also as England themselves used him in this role a few months ago. It may be that the better debate is whether he is better than Morgan or Root!

His best chance is to follow his Dads approach and develop his bowling

 
 
 
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