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Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017 at 1:03 PM
Me4791  (Login Me4791)

 
Just heard this on the analyst podcast by Simon Hughes
https://www.acast.com/theanalystinsidecricket/episode18-thedebateoverjohnnybairstowandcricketsobsessionwithfood
From 10 min 15 onwards Hughes is asked why Bairstow hasn't played more one day cricket for England.
Says 'not very popular, the guys don't like him. Not that popular at Yorkshire and not that popular at England. They don't like his personality. He's quite a loner, you don't seem him out with the lads'. He then goes on to say if its got anything to do with his upbringing being the son of a Father who commited suicide and that his Father was the total opposite when Hughes played against him.

I was quite shocked about what Hughes said. Jonny always seems quite popular to me from what you see on TV. I hope Jonny hasn't heard it.

 
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 1:08 PM 

I'll be honest, whenever Simon Hughes talks I stop listening.

In terms of Jonny Bairstow, his white ball record, until recently wasn't that great for a lad of such talent, that's probably the main reason he hasn't been a regular for England.

 
 
Martin
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 1:17 PM 

Simon should know that it takes all personalities to make a successful team, and that "getting on" isn't a prerequisite for being successful as a team. I have no doubt that Jonny isn't necessarily the most outgoing of personalities and maybe sometimes comes across as being self-focused (I recall an interview where he kept referring to himself in the third person, which I found slightly uncomfortable), but to say players don't like him seems very unlikely - certainly the powers that be have backed him - recalling him after his first foray into Test Cricket for example.

 
 
sid
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 1:56 PM 

Genuinely surprised by this as JB always appears to fit in well with the Yorkshire players. I've seen him several times at Headingley when England have been resting him often in the Long room with friends and around the team - never picked up anything.

He is obviously very close to him mum and sister, understandably so given the suicide of his father and his mums employment with YCCC, so that maybe makes him a little different from his England team mates.

I think Hughes probably is a trusted source although I tend to agree with the comment above that the main reason for his absence from the one day team is the ability of others and that the (IMO) weak link in the batting line up (Morgan) is protected by him being captain.

However I suspect the other players haven't taken to well to JB opening in the 50 over games for YCCC - a rather obvious attempt to unseat Roy which I suspect the others in the group see as an act of disloyalty and selfishness.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 2:19 PM 

I'm usually all ears when Simon Hughes speaks. I find him thoughtful and well-informed. On the other hand, I don't know how much he knows about the Yorkshire dressing-room, but I'd be surprised if he has any great understanding of it. "Oy, buggerlugs" is a salutation Southerners sometimes can't properly interpret.
To be fair to Hughes, he is saying that Bairstow should be selected in the ODI side. And the great player who isn't popular with his team-mates is one of the commonest tropes in all forms of commentary on cricket. Take this from Wikipedia: "Bradman had a quiet, solitary off-field demeanour that first drew comment during his performances on the 1930 tour of England. Melbourne journalist Geoffrey Tebbutt, described Bradman's aloofness from his teammates in his subsequent book about the tour." Who else comes into the "aloof" category? Well, Sydney Barnes for a start, Len Hutton, Brian Lara ("For all Warwickshire's success that season - winning the Championship, the Benson & Hedges Cup and the Sunday League, and being runners-up in the NatWest Trophy - Lara was an unpopular member of the dressing-room [BBC website])," Wally Hammond ("Hammond, unpopular with team-mates and journalists, was moody, and uncommunicative" [Roderick Easdale, biographer]). So that's the greatest batsman of all time, at least four of the candidates for second greatest batsman of all time, and England's greatest ever bowler.

 
 
Idle Man
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 2:23 PM 

I like some of Hughes' writing, his broadcasting less so. However either a) he doesn't really have the inside knowledge to justify these assertions, or b)he has personal familiarity with some of the squad, and has used fairly intimate conversations as the basis for going public as a journalist. Whichever it is, he would have done himself more credit by keeping his trap shut.

As far as Jonny's selection is concerned, I don't think there's anything very difficult to assess. He's unlucky in that a period of good performances - and the longer term figures don't make an overwhelming case for him - has coincided with everyone else being in form and very hard to drop without appearing disloyal. Rob Key lost his test place when Vaughan returned in similar circumstances, and Jon Crawley failed to make an overseas tour after scoring a ton in the final test of the summer. Jonny's a class above either of those two, but it's the same problem. Really think this was a podcast we could have done without. And the comments about 'going out with the lads' are a bit pathetic and immature. A team of players who did't go out with the lads would be fairly formidable, I suspect, and could start with two rather good Yorkshire openers.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 2:32 PM 

"I suspect the other players haven't taken to well to JB opening in the 50 over games for YCCC - a rather obvious attempt to unseat Roy which I suspect the others in the group see as an act of disloyalty and selfishness."
I don't think professional (or even amateur) sportsmen think trying to get into a team is an act of selfishness or disloyalty. They generally regard it as what you're supposed to do. It would be a strange world if Yorkshire players were to stop performing for fear of offending the sensibilities of the England squad.

 
 
WR_Metcalfe
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 3:27 PM 

I have listened regularly to this podcast, there isn't much else on county cricket. I usually find myself disagreeing with Hughes, especially when he's pedalling the new T20 lie about Root and Stokes being available to the franchises, but I'm an adult, I tolerate it.

However, this seems slanderous to me. I have never heard a bad word said about Jonny's character. In fact I have often seen him socialising with other cricketers on his social media accounts. But, even if he isn't the most popular player in the team, he is one of the best batsmen in the country and the team should be selected purely on cricketing factors.

Pietersen was much more disruptive to the team than Jonny would ever be, and there were no serious questions about his place in the XI.

As to Jonny opening for Yorkshire in the 50 over games, I see that as fitting your best players into the XI. If Lees played it would be at the expense of one of the bowlers.

 
 
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 3:41 PM 

I think this is an appalling comment to make and hope Hughes rethinks his position and view and apologise swiftly.

I know for a fact having seen it first hand in headingley that Johnny gets on with team mates and goes out with them. He wants to play with them when the ecb don't let him. He spends more time watching the team than playing when not with England .

Selfish to open to try and displace ROY? I suspect the team who witnessed and then Profusely tweeted after his 174 v Durham were absolutely delighted to have him opening but they would be just as delighted to have him playing if he got a duck whilst opening.

It doesn't take a boozy night out with the team to be one of the lads these days.

 
 
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 3:46 PM 

It says it all for me about Hughes that he elected himself the 39th most influential person in world cricket when compiling the "Power List" in The Cricketer magazine.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 3:51 PM 

Agree Third Umpire. An appalling slur on Jonny`s character. He appears to me, to be the complete opposite to Hughes`s character assassination. He is bubbly, out-going & cheerful, and spends almost all his enforced rest days at Headingley watching his team mates play.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 4:26 PM 

Sounds like absolute guff from Hughes- what exactly is he basing that opinion on?

 
 
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 6:03 PM 

Yes the Middleex link from Hughes to Strauss to Morgan wasn't lost on me either.

I believe Hughes is referred to as the Analyst on channel 5 and was often employed sitting in a van with lots of to monitors whilst he analysed the day's play.

Well the first four letters of analyst are at least correct in Hughes case as he seems to talk out of it regularly.

 
 
East Coast Type
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 7:06 PM 

Jonny is certainly an unusually intense person, that is for sure, but I have never picked up anything over dozens of YCCC matches in recent years that would suggest 'the guys don't like him'. I also think that Hughes giving us some amateur hour psychology is wholly inappropriate. If he felt that there were personal issues regarding Jonny with the England set-up, all he need have said was something along the lines of him 'struggling to break into a tight group'. His comments sounded like stirring to me. Poor.

 
 
JG
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 9 2017, 7:49 PM 

Totally agree with all of the above, that is quite a remarkable comment for Hughes to make; as Idle Man says, either he has insider info and he's talking out of turn, or he doesn't and he's talking out of his arse. Either way the comments reflect very poorly of someone with relatively senior standing in English cricket these days.

I would suggest that anyone who follows Jonny on social media would refute the allegation that he is anti-social and unpopular with his team-mates; just in the past couple of weeks he has posted a picture up of him with Peter Handscomb and a few other lads in a Leeds restaurant celebrating our Aussie overseas player's birthday and a few days before that Jack Brooks posted a photo of himself, Jonny and others at a Rhinos match. As others have stated, I would suggest the reason Jonny hasn't played more white ball cricket for England is that he has some outstanding middle order batsmen in Root, Buttler and Stokes ahead of him, as well as Morgan who commands his place due to the captaincy.

I do actually quite like Hughes but this just strikes me as someone trying to make out they are clever and in the know but ending up making a dick of themsleves.

 
 
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 8:52 AM 

Having rethought this I suspect that to fit in with team England you need one or more of

1. Tattoos
2. A birth certificate showing place of birth outside of England.
3. An IPL contract
4. Ginger hair.

Oh hang on, the 4th one can't be right

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 9:57 AM 

You will have to broaden that out a bit to fit Mooen Ali in.

Think they have gone with the team that Morgan wants and if it works then you can't argue with that.

I can't give a balanced view because I have no confidence in Morgan as captain.

 
 
marsker
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:04 AM 

i thought it was rubbish when i heard it but none of his friends or team mates have come to his defence,or am i missing something.

 
 
marsker
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:04 AM 

i thought it was rubbish when i heard it but none of his friends or team mates have come to his defence,or am i missing something.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Simon Hughes Simon Mann podcast re Bairstow

May 10 2017, 10:19 AM 

My guess is none of his friends or family have heard it and I wouldn't expect them to comment on "gossip" either.

 
 
 
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