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George
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Gray

June 13 2017, 10:22 PM 

Well with 5 of our best players missing for England and Surrey having only one (who is out of form at the moment anyway)it's not a too surprising result. Provided Surrey don't do too well and get players picked for England they will probably win some big trophies this year. A daft system. Can you imagine top Premier League managers allowing it to happen in football?

 
 
Steve
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 10:53 PM 

Club versus country rule is polar opposite in football as it is in cricket and i can't see it ever changing.

 
 
Phil
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:02 PM 

Ultimately we were an experienced bowler light today. Disappointing but not bad for a depleted side.

 
 

Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:05 PM 

Sorry but let's stop this 2nd team rubbish. Root hasn't played for us all season. Yorkshire have been blowing knock out game for bl**dy decades, this was just another occurence.

All season we've letting the opposition score too many off the last 10 overs. Today it came back to bite us. Most of our top batsmen got in but didn't go on. I was listening to TMS. James Taylor predicted that Lyth would get out about 5 minutes before he did.


    
This message has been edited by dpressed on Jun 13, 2017 11:09 PM


 
 
Thomas
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:07 PM 

Always disappointing to lose but I always felt this was our least probable chance of winning a trophy due to player availability. Take 4 key players out of Surrey's side and we'd have won. In a way the ECB did cost us the game, although we didn't help,ourselves at times.

Ballance and Handscomb were the pair in my opinion that needed to play more aggressively. It almost seemed as if they knew the lack of depth in batting so didn't feel they could take risks. In the end that was necessary.

Plenty of encouraging individual performances and we've still got an excellent chance of winning the CC or T20 this season

 
 
Thomas
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:12 PM 

Dpressed - the point that people are making in saying '2nd team' is that it was fine margins that cost us that game. With even 1 or 2 of the missing 5 in the team we would have won that. Alternatively take out 4 key Surrey players and see what happens.

Of course mistakes were made, but we've got a very encouraging set of young players coming through and it's great to see them developing

 
 

Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:19 PM 

Come off it. Last season our England players did play & we stilllost. Basically there's been something not right about Yorkshire's limited oves game for literally decades. Or rather, if that had been a Championship match, we'd have won it.

 
 

Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:26 PM 

Ps it may sound sacrilege, but I wonder if Yorks should consider employing a One Day coach such as Mark Alleyne (yes our Gloucestershire nemesis). Gale would remain in charge of the Championship team

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:28 PM 

Admittedly I'm on a bit of a downer after that, but I think it's Championship or bust again this season, and even then I think our batting will see us just fall short. We've improved in limited overs cricket from the depths of a few years back when there seemed to be a policy of not even trying to compete, but still are nowhere near challenging the likes of Surrey who are experienced in winning these games. I suspect the T20 will go the same way. We might scrape through again but fall short at some stage in the knockouts again.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 13 2017, 11:55 PM 

Agree it's tough without the England lads and the scheduling is poor, but still felt the team we fielded had a chance today.

Don't think we conceded too many in last 10 overs today. Was more the inability to break the Sanga/Foakes partnership earlier.

Approach with the bat was too passive. Surprisingly it was when Borthwick came on that him and Rampaul tied down Lyth and Leaning.
Then there was the Borthwick no ball Six that was potentially a turning point, the rate required was just under 8 per over then. But by the time Ballance got out it was almost 10 per over. Not sure why it was allowed to drift like that..

 
 

Alex
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We didn't get 'em in singles!

June 14 2017, 3:02 AM 

As is so often the case in short-form cricket, our loss again came down to an inability to hit enough 4's and 6's - which, after all, is the main objective of limited overs cricket.

While we lost by the comparatively narrow margin of 24 runs, Surrey won the big hitting stakes by a mile. In fact, the Tykes only managed 19 4's and three 6's versus Surrey who plundered 31 4's and five 6's. (That's a net difference of 60 runs based on boundaries alone.)

Limited overs cricket is not conducive to many situations where a team can invoke the old George Hirst approach, and can "get 'em in singles."

 
 
Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 7:11 AM 

I agree with depressed losing the England boys is a ready made excuse, the ecb scheduling is silly but we know we are going to lose the England boys for spells at the start of the season, it's down to us to combat though.

A lot have criticised our intent but think we have to give Surrey some credit, I thought they bowled and fielded brilliantly. Their out fielding in particular was very good, which stoped the boundaries and stopped any type of momentum. I know handscomb eventually ended up over a run a ball, but for a long period he struggled to time anything, and the Surrey bowling with the slower balls and yorkers have to take some credit for that too. Sometimes you just get beat by the better team on the day.

 
 
Coastalview
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 7:58 AM 

Have to agree it was very much down to the lack of boundaries and Yorkshire's inability to find gaps in the field.

Batsmen were hitting the ball hard but usually straight to the field producing singles.

Gary Ballance tried one funky scoop shot that didn't work and that was the end of it.

Surrey were able to place all their excellent fielding resources in an arc in front of the bat.


 
 
Guest
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Jay

June 14 2017, 8:04 AM 

I have to agree with depressed, I recall a couple of years back (when we were dire in T20) also highlighting that we would benefit from employing a specialist one day coach. I agree there has been some gradual progress in the shorter format, but this is still an area that needs to improve. I think Curran's intelligence and variation with the bowl was an excellent example for our younger bowlers

 
 
Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 8:45 AM 

I'm not too disheartened by it.

Glimmers of hope for the future, praise for our spinners from Sanga, learning experiences.

But we have 5 missing due to the CT and we then omit another 3 of our senior bowlers who we view as four day specialists and play a very inexperienced attack. I would have played at least one of Brooks and Patto for a big quarter final and hoped for wickets.

If England lose today is ROY available forSurrey on Saturday

 
 
Idle man
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 8:51 AM 

Not against a one day coach, or any other strategy. However a lack of success is not evidence of a lack of intent. As others have said at times, there are two teams involved and good bowling makes inventive shot making difficult. Against Northants GB hit them all over the place with all sorts of strokes. Tactically too, we've not been without ideas. Our two pre-season t20 competitions in the desert, I am told, involved all sorts of inventive selections and bowling tactics. At one stage it looked as if a number of the youngsters were being coached and developed as short form specialists, but the early efforts that season were fairly disastrous and the approach was abandoned.

If I could have had a couple of the absentees back, they would have been Rashid and Plunkett, not JB and Root.

KC should make a bit of a difference.


 
 
Steve C
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 8:55 AM 

i thought it was a good game - and the slightly better side won in the end. Even if Surrey do remain a strangely unpleasant bunch!
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the fielding. I thought Surrey were superb in the field and probably saved 15-20 runs by throwing themselves around so much on the boundary.
Also - i think we had too many bowlers. With Rafa and Carver (and Lyth) we didnt need four seamers as well.
Would have been good to see Brooks or Rhodes given a game i think instead of Fisher or Coad possibly...?

Still. Its the Championship that really counts...

 
 
Papag
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:16 AM 

A fair solution may be they if a side has say have 5 players selected for England be it either for bowling / batting/ practice days/ tea duties/ etc then the opposing side has the right to de-select 5 similar players of the similar expertise from their opposition. All supporters of any sporting side want is a level playing field.I know of plenty now who are not yet walking away from the game but are slowly losing interest in attending fixtures, this has to be addressed not just for YCCC who always seem to be handicapped but say in 5 years or so it will be another county.

 
 

Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:19 AM 

Frustrated by last night but the game went the way I would have expected.
Surrey have a very decent side for the One Day game and each player knows his role.
We had a an inexperienced side particularly in the bowling.
The difference to me was the Sangakkara and Foakes partnership and the 49th Over where they managed 20 plus runs.
Didn't think our batting was terrible but always felt we were going to fall 20 to 30 runs short.

 
 
Stu
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Assistant Moderator

Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:31 AM 

Dpressed --- Come off it. Last season our England players did play & we stilllost. Basically there's been something not right about Yorkshire's limited oves game for literally decades. Or rather, if that had been a Championship match, we'd have won it.

Just a slight correction. Only 1 (JB) of the England 5 played last year.

We actually had a slightly weaker side last year and with no overseas player.

Lyth, Lees, Ballance, Bairstow, Leaning, Bresnan, Waite, Rhodes, Rafig, Patterson, Brooks. They got 255, we got 236, so a similar winning margin.

 
 
 
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