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marsker
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:32 AM 

just a couple of observations, it was a pleasant evening and a decent crowd, the top northeast corner was packed. it was a pleasure to watch one of the greats of the game, Sangacarra score a brilliant century. the main difference was the fielding, surrey were brilliant. we need to spend more time on fielding and less on football. we have some donkey fielders the most obvious Lees who would be better in the ring rather than on the boundary. At least we got some runs at last from Leaning though he totally fails to rotate the strike by placing his shots into gaps. finally, what a pain it is arriving home at 11.30.

 
 
marsker
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:32 AM 

sorry double click


    
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Idle man
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:42 AM 

Re Lees fielding: has he put on a bit of weight? There was a ball-chase to the boundary at Taunton which was in the Andrew Gale class.

 
 
Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:52 AM 

Papag, what a bizarre theory! Am sure the 5 lads left out for Surrey would have been delighted!

If we put some things in percpective, how often does Steve smith play for New South Wales, Kane Williamson for northern districts, or Ab de villiers for the northerns? Very little is my guess. In this day and age international cricket is always going to be king, so the times we see Root or Bairstow are a bonus for me, and am sure are not planned for at the start of the season by YCCC.

Then look at Plunkett and Willey. Both had been international cricketers when we signed them. I am sure dizzy said to them both that he was going to try and improve them and he knew in doing so we might not see much of them later down the line, it's the gamble we took. It's part of been a big club, and gives chance to the young lads. Someone like Ben Coad who has been successful this year wouldn't have had a game in county cricket if the big 5 were available all year long.

 
 
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 9:56 AM 

Agree Ibby about moaning about Willey not playing for us, we shouldn't have signed an international if we can't accept that but Plunkett is a stretch as I'm sure even he thought there was a good chance he wouldn't play for England again. Anyway.....

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 10:27 AM 

I'd hoped for a win yesterday, as anything can happen in these games, but on paper you'd have thought Surrey had the firepower. Ironically, it might have helped us if they'd been able to field Roy, as they'd probably have left out Pope.
I was very impressed by Matthew Waite, whom I originally underestimated. He looks quite a substantial cricketer in this format and should have batted above Bresnan on current form. He was the one player to hit the required run rate in the last 15 overs. And he was the one player who gave the bowlers problems by scoring behind the wicket with scoops etc.
Mark Butcher made an interesting point when he said he liked to play at Headingley in these games because the tension in the crowd transmitted itself to the players and made the opposition's task easier. Something to think about. Maybe braying drunken louts who just chant the home team's name without much reference to the game situation have a function we haven't picked up on. Perhaps we should bus in a couple of hundred and open the Western Terrace for them.
As regards tactics, I'm not quite sure why we started banging the ball into the pitch in the last ten overs, particularly as Pope seemed intent on whacking everything into the leg side. Yorkers would have made more sense and are one of Fisher's strengths. He is another one, by the way, who could have been brought in to bat a little earlier. After all, he nearly got us out of a hole at New Road.

 
 
ed the fed
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One day QF

June 14 2017, 10:49 AM 

Lees looked sluggish and at times disinterested when fielding. He gave Rafiq a real dirty look at one point when Rafiq decided to let him retrieve the ball, what followed was a liesurely stroll to the ball by Lees and then an underarm throw which caused the ball to roll on the ground to the bowler.
Not sure why we persist with him, is it really that there is no one better at the club ?


    
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Dwight_Schrute
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 11:23 AM 

Too many accept failure in these white ball comps, because we do well in 'proper' Cricket.

 
 
Phil
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 11:28 AM 

Regarding Lees I've noticed just recently that he's put a bit of weight on over the close season. Anyone else thought this ?

 
 
Thomas
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 11:39 AM 

But whether we knew we'd lose players for international duty or not doesn't make the scheduling of a QF at the same time as an international tournament any less bizarre. Especially when there's a 5:1 disparity between how many players each side loses

 
 
Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 12:17 PM 

I think there is a difference between accepting failure, having a preference for the longer format and being realistic when the odds are stacked against you.

 
 
Martin
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 12:17 PM 

To answer the question posed earlier, I assume we persist with Lees because he averages near 40 in first class cricket and scored 1000 runs last season. He has generally been less impressive in 50 over cricket. We do have better players - Root and Bairstow - and Kohler-Cadmore waiting in the wings, but these three are unavailable so he plays.

For my money, we bowled OK, and the target set is not high by modern standards. Going for 100 off the last 10 is generally regarded as acceptable in this day and age.

We have to give credit to the Surrey bowlers, and for the most part I think our batsmen had to mix caution with aggression reflecting on what was to come in the lower order.

The one big worry is Leaning. He has always been poor at rotating the strike but this was less important when he was able to hit regular boundaries - if you are scoring at more than a run a ball, then keeping the strike is less of an issue. Problem is that he seems unable to do the ball striking any more. Lees or Leaning will no doubt make way for K-C in the future as things currently stand

 
 
Guest
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 12:47 PM 

TBF, were not that an attractive or attacking side to watch when the England players are away. We are good at CC games because we can grind the opposition down a lot of the time, with the likes of Siddy and Pato.

That's not a criticism, but in the one day game we need to be more flamboyant, and we're not

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 1:10 PM 

The bowling attacks was pretty much the difference between the two sides.

Surrey's pace quartet bowled consistently as a unit, often bowled above 80mph and utilised the yorker delivery well towards the end. Yorkshire's pace quartet carried too many passengers and only Bresnan bowled to full effect, Brooks should have played to give that extra experience and nous with the ball instead of Coad.




 
 
Papag
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 1:31 PM 

IBBY- Just trying to come up with a solution/idea that seems time and time again to be an issue my idea may be a bit far fetched happy.gif lots of posts on this subject but very little in way of any solutions coming forward on here or from the authorities. I am sure of one thing we would have won yesterday say 4 out of 5 times if our resting players would have played. Maybe you or other posters can come up with something,even the commentators on 5 live were saying we were seriously handicapped so its not just us that are concerned.

 
 
Stu
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 1:35 PM 

I would agree with that assesment Pyratechnics. it is correct, but hardly surprising, given the inexperience of our bowling attack. Just as a one-off, Siddy or Brooks should have played, or even both of them, just to be give that touch of experience to the bowling unit, that we lacked apart from Bresnan.

Willey, Plunkett & Rashid would have helped also in that area. It also would have helped in the lower middle order batting, which would have freed Hanscombe & Ballance up more. I feel they were constrained to much as they were worried about the depth of our batting. Knowing that Bresnan, Plunkett, Rashid & Willey were still to come would have un-shackled their restraints. They also should have batted at 3 & 4, as they came in to late, yesterday.

 
 
Martin
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 3:03 PM 

I wonder if the concern was that a stodgy Leaning at 5 was a worse option than at 3 where he had more time to play himself in - you can argue it either way, but I agree Stu, I would have done the same.

Seems to me that if we are fielding six front line bowlers, there was a place for a Brooks or a Sidebottom or a Patto as one of the six in an inexperienced line up. The flexibility is there to whip one of them off if they go the distance.


 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 3:47 PM 

An interesting point with the lack of lower order batting Stu.

This was Yorkshire's line up against Lancashire in the Bank Holday 50 Over game

Lyth
Bairstow
Root
Handscomb
Ballance
Bresnan
Willey
Rashid
Plunkett
Rafiq
Fisher

Compared to Surrey in the Quarter-Final

Lyth
Lees
Leaning
Handscomb
Ballance
Bresnan
Waite
Rafiq
Fisher
Carver
Coad


I feel the Yorkshire think-tank revert to type too easily when it comes to replacing the England bound players and don't replicate the formula originally created. Hence why Yorkshire have struggled in the last four RL One Day Cup knockout campaigns and early stages of last years T20 Blast.

Have Yorkshire missed a trick in not playing Andrew Hodd yesterday, bearing in mind how he has batted in red ball cricket this season? His presence alone would have instilled confidence in the top order batting.





 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 5:45 PM 

Throughout the qualifying rounds, we were clearly the outstanding team in the group when we had the England players. Without them, we held on by beating some second division sides - at times with difficulty - despite losing at Worcester. I saw the two different teams - at Nottingham, where we humbled a Notts team that looked chock-full of potential matchwinners (Root was superb), and at Worcester, where we came up a bit short on all fronts.
Given the constraints, it was always going to be a long shot to beat a full Surrey side. On the other hand, as someone has said, when Ballance hit his six, it was clear that we had the firepower to win the game, but not necessarily the nerve to pull the trigger. On balance, I think we should have left out Carver and picked a batsman to replace him. That could have been Hodd. Perhaps only the management know if it would have been wise to try Brook. With Waite at 6, Hodd at 7 and Bresnan at 8, I think Ballance might have had the confidence to play the kind of shot that he played on only that one occasion (he knew Surrey hadn't got enough men in the circle and he could play it with impunity).
I should say that I like Carver as a cricketer, but I think they might have taken advantage of Lyth's current confidence with the ball to include just one more specialist batsman.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: One Day Cup QF | Yorkshire vs Surrey at Leeds (Match Thread)

June 14 2017, 5:48 PM 

Playing both Coad and Fisher was unnecessary in hindsight, one of those two would have been sufficient. Rhodes or Hodd should have played.

 
 
 
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