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Dave Morton
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 17 2017, 11:56 AM 

Patto bowled beautifully down at Taunton, though Jack Brooks was missed. Either he or Fisher should have played instead of Rafiq - with hindsight, of course. Azeem was the poorest of our three spinners, by a distance.

The return of Rashid solves that problem, and I think it's time for Adam to concentrate on becoming a real all-rounder. That Ballance should call on Lyth at the death, rather than on his specialist spinners, says it all. And he came up trumps.

Harry Brook could come in for Leaning, who didn't look at all settled at Taunton. Some chat about Alex Lees on this forum; I don't know what occurred in the RLC QF, but Alex looked pleasingly solid in the second innings against Somerset, against very good bowling and on a tough pitch.

Coad will surely return, and if Bresnan plays I would expect to see those two with Sidebottom and ...who? It's difficult to make a case for Fisher, but surely he's got to play for someone, sometime, or he never will develop his talent. Brooks or Patto, depending on conditions; Coad allows that option.

Perhaps I'll get the chance to see Fisher at York on Tuesday. I've pulled out of the Lord's trip, too many nights away from home, many more to come. Plus I hate London.


    
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Anthony Bradbury
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 17 2017, 4:23 PM 

John Hampshire's middle name was Harry.

 
 
littleoldme.
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Lord's

June 17 2017, 10:30 PM 

I am going for all 4 days. It will be expensive! I'm hoping the team can continue their winning run. My team for this match is again hard to pick. It's a tough call between Patterson or Brooks. I'm going with this team providing Bresnan can play,if not then both Brooks and Patterson will play: Lyth, Lees, Handscomb, Ballance (c), Leaning, Rashid, Bresnan, Hodd (wk), Brooks, Coad and Sidebottom.
A Buchan

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 17 2017, 11:10 PM 

Hope you get 4 golden days of summer, and a Yorkshire win to make it all worthwhile.

 
 
Dave
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Why no TKC

June 18 2017, 6:07 AM 

anyone know why Tom Kohler-Cadmore not in squad ?

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 7:42 AM 

Because there are other players much better than he is? Some of them not in the squad, either.

Also, he may not be available, under eligibility rules, especially given Worcestershire's disapproval of our alleged 'poaching' activities.


    
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Geoff B
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 8:04 AM 

Dave, TKC has been bought in as a batsman.

He does have 4 first class centuries to his name with a highest score of 169.

I'm not aware that we have too many 'proven better players' hanging around who can't get in the squad!




 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 8:41 AM 

Geoff - you have added the word 'proven'. My gut feeling is that he may prove another Richard Hardern. We see what we see, and we make our judgements, right or wrong. Mine is that I would prefer Rhodes or Brook or Tattersall any day, for Championship cricket, which this is.

By the way, I believe Andy Hodd to be the best batsman not necessarily in the full strength XI, when all the England players are available - better than Leaning, and all those named above, right now.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 9:14 AM 

Can you show me where Worcester accused us of poaching?
Also, what are the 'eligibility' rules you mention, ok he was cuptied for the 50 over tournament but the CC? As far I know the only proviso about him signing this season was an agreement he would play against Worcester.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 9:16 AM 

My gut feeling is that Tattersall would have made a first team breakthrough by now if he was good enough while Rhodes has the talent but lacks the 'stuff upstairs' to be a first team regular. Everything I hear about Brook is very exciting and I hope he plays this season. Kohler-Cadmore is a good player and it seems odd to me that he's not being considered for championship cricket - the only games he's ineligible for as far as I know are the t20s against Worcestershire.

 
 
Geoff B
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 9:39 AM 

You may be proved right over time of course and in the case of Brook, who is in the squad, your gut feeling may match that of Gale and Moxon.

Rhodes is a conundrum wrapped in an enigma that even Alan Turing would have had trouble working out. I can't believe you are serious about Tattersall.

The truth is we don't have enough 'proven' batters at first class and List A level when Root and Bairstow are not available.

The top 5 pick themselves and it doesn't matter if they are in form or not. We are getting by in CC but more by luck than judgement.

TKC is one of those 360 degree players we need for white ball but I think he has been bought in for all forms.


 
 
Stu
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 9:42 AM 

When Yorkshire signed him, or shortly after, I think I saw something in the YP, stating he would not be considered for CC cricket and would play for the second team. I have no idea, whether this is a permanent all season thing, or just for the first few weeks. No reason for this was given, which I thought strange, and it would help if the reasoning behind this decision was made public.

Nothing to do with eligibility, as the club have also stated that he will play in the T20 comp against everyone, apart for the one game v Worcestershire.

And as for being unproven - he is less unproven than any of the current second teamers, who are being suggested to be in the team.


    
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Brian
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 4:07 PM 

I wouldn't write off Rhodes.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 6:55 PM 

TKC seems to have been written off on the back of 3 balls for the 2nds!

 
 
peter
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brook

June 18 2017, 7:35 PM 

if HARRY plays he has nothing to prove if he gets runs the people on this forum will pick him up when he falls down, and then if he gets no runs they will say he should have never been in the side , I hope the young man if picked has a good day .

 
 
Sid
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 8:54 PM 

I'm another in the 'don't write of Rhodes' group. I've seen him look so much better than others at second team level. I think he'll come through. I've posted my opinion a few times that he currently deserves a game in front of Leaning.

Harry Brook: It's a case of when and not 'if' he plays regularly in the first time although I don't think it'll be this week. Does anyone know, or can be bothered to look up (i'll do it later) how old Root, Bairstow and Ballance were on debut and, harder to check, how much second team cricket they'd played? I suspect Brook is younger and less experienced than the others I mentioned.

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 9:38 PM 

Root and Bairstow were both 19 when they made their debuts, though Root's was only against Loughborough. Both went cheaply in their first innings, but were unbeaten in the second: Bairstow 82 not out against Somerset, Root 20 not out against the university side. Harry Brook is 18.

(Thinking along the same lines as you, I looked this up a couple of days ago)


    
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JollyD
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Yorks vs Middlesex pre match thread

June 18 2017, 10:29 PM 

I am not sure what you mean when you say Rhodes lacks the stuff upstairs. He is a highly intelligent young man academically.
Moreover, a year or two ago I heard one of the England under 19 coaching team describe him as the best captain, on or off the field, he had observed in 18 years.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 18 2017, 10:34 PM 

"I am not sure what you mean when you say Rhodes lacks the stuff upstairs. He is a highly intelligent young man academically."

Um! So, too, was Joe Sayers.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Yorks v Middlesex CC pre-match thread

June 19 2017, 6:10 AM 

Whatever the limitations of Joe Sayers' cricket, they had nothing to do with a lack of 'stuff upstairs'. He was an intelligent captain.

 
 
 
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