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Question time.

July 24 2017 at 12:52 PM
Gavin Gray  (Login yorkie1863)

 
Who was the last man to top the Yorkshire first class averages in batting and bowling in the same year?

 
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Steve C
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 1:44 PM 

Well the sensible answer is Bresnan but the fact that you've asked it means that it's somebody surprising.....

What about Steve Patterson with some night watchman duties and a lot of not-outs..

 
 
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 1:48 PM 

A couple of weeks ago Brooks was top of the batting averages, so could well be a bowler who had a lot of not outs in a season.


 
 
Gavin Gray
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 2:07 PM 

Im talking about end of season averages. And he played last century (good god that sounds bad)

 
 
Tyke1950
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 2:16 PM 

It might possibly be Geoffrey Boycott.

 
 
Gavin Gray
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July 24 2017, 2:19 PM 

Congratulations. Yes it was Sir Geoff.

 
 
Gavin Gray
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 2:43 PM 

Sir Geoff topped the Yorkshire averages in 1982.
Batting; 1913 runs at 61.70
Bowling; 8 wickets at 10.00

 
 
Gavin Gray
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New question

July 24 2017, 2:50 PM 

Who was the first Yorkshire cricketer to take all 10 wickets in an innings?

 
 
Tyke 1950
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 3:05 PM 

Perhaps it was Alonzo Drake?

 
 
Steve C
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 3:07 PM 

..I always thought it was Hedley Verity.....?

But if not him it was probably either Wilfred or George Herbert...

 
 
Gavin Gray
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 3:16 PM 

Not any of them. Rhodes and Hirst never took 10 in an innings. Drake and Verity both did it but there was someone who did it way before.

 
 

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Boycs by the numbers

July 24 2017, 3:27 PM 

One other statistical superlative Geoffrey owns is the highest all-time first class batting average (56.83) for a cricketer with 35,000 or more runs. (There are 39 batsmen in the 35k club, if I'm not mistaken.)

One wonders how Boycs would have fared in 4-day Championship regimen vs the 3-dayers that were the norm throughout his career. Given the much reduced first class program, it is a record which may never never be broken.

He also co-holds the Yorkshire record 10th wicket stand, pairing with Graham Stevensen for 149 against Warwicks in 1982.

 
 
littleoldme.
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All ten

July 24 2017, 4:46 PM 

It was Frank Smailes in 1939 v Derbyshire at Sheffield. 10 for 47. Although the first to do it (take all 10 in an innings) was Alonzo Drake.
A Buchan


    
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Stu
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 4:55 PM 

from the year book.

Drake 10-35 1914
Verity 10-36 1931
Verity 10-10 (including a hat-trick) 1932
Smailes 10-47 1939

 
 
Gavin Gray
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All 10

July 24 2017, 5:29 PM 

Someone did it before Drake. He used to be in the yearbooks but for some reason his achievement vanished from the yearbook.

I'm at work now so I can't tell when his achievement vanished, but he took all 10 before 1900.

 
 
Tyke 1950
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 5:50 PM 

Tom Emmett?
George Freeman?

 
 
Guest
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Re: Question time.

July 24 2017, 5:56 PM 

Only got 2007 year book and only the four instances above shown.

 
 
EastCoastExile
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10 wickets in an innings

July 24 2017, 6:59 PM 

Ted Wainwright took 10-31 against Staffordshire in 1890. Staffordshire was never a first class county. At some point someone revised the YCCC Yearbook records and cleansed them of non-first class performances such as this.

 
 
EastCoastExile
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10 wickets in an innings

July 24 2017, 7:21 PM 

Having looked back it appears Wainwright's 10-31 was removed from the YCCC Yearbook between the 1973 and 1974 editions. No explanation given from what I can tell but around this time a number of cricket statisticians and historians across the country started to systematically review and revise a lot of cricket scores and records by going back to original scorebooks and contemporary newspapers. Led to a lot of inaccuracies and inconsistencies being identified and record books being revised. Might have been part of that.

 
 
JollyD
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Question time

July 24 2017, 8:15 PM 

Following your suggestion that a 10 wicket feat occurred in the 19th. century, I have looked into two sources. The oldest year book I possess is for 1923. In the records section, under the sub-heading "Exceptional bits of bowling", there is no mention of a 10 wicket analysis before Alonzo Drake's 10 for 35 against Somersetshire (sic) in 1914. Prior to that, the best analysis was W (Billy) Bates' 8 for 21 against Surrey in 1879.
Derek Hodgson's 'The Official History of Yorkshire County Cricket Club' lists only the four occasions already mentioned in this thread.
One of the fascinations of delving serendipitously into old year books is finding historical information.
For example, in 1922 47,639 attended the three day Roses match at Sheffield. There were four other home attendances above 20,000 ; vs Surrey at Bradford, Nottinghamshire at Sheffield, Kent at Leeds and Leicestershire at Sheffield. Of course Yorkshire won the championship.

 
 
 
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