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Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017 at 8:52 AM
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Story on cricinfo suggesting he may give up with the South African team and convert to Kolpak with Warwickshire and a London county in contact.

Surely he has unfinished business with us?

 
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Geoff B
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The right one

August 13 2017, 9:57 AM 

We might end up with Albie!

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017, 10:48 AM 

It may be an unpopular opinion (not least with our so called "coach") but I really think we need to get with the times and join the Kolpak party before it's too late, particularly as, Coad aside, we have little coming through the ranks. Obviously anyone we did sign would have to be someone with quality like Abbott and Harmer. Morkel would fit that bill as a replacement for Ryan.


    
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DW
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Please - no!

August 13 2017, 11:46 AM 

If Morkel wants to sign as an overseas player then we should consider him. But if he wants to be a financially induced Kolpak then I want nothing to do with it.

As the best and most successful county we should be above such a shabby practice.

 
 
Twelfth Man
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017, 12:52 PM 

I wouldn't want us to follow other counties and sign five or six, but I don't see a problem with signing one international quality player who we wouldn't have to worry about losing half way through the season.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017, 1:08 PM 

I think the more worrying issue here is that such a quality test bowler is ready to walk away from it.

 
 
JollyD
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Morkel Kolpak

August 13 2017, 5:34 PM 

Another consideration is the impact all these signings from elsewhere will have on our Academy. In recent years, we have signed Andrew Hodd to address our lack of a wicket keeper, Jack Brooks and Liam Plunkett to bolster the fast bowling and David Willey and Tom Kohler-Cadmore to strengthen our one day squad.
Add in the overseas player(s) and a Kolpak player and the majority of the team would be from elsewhere. What message does that give to our youngsters or their coaches ?
Already Will Rhodes has voted with his feet. Would others be tempted to do likewise if they saw first team places going to players from outside ?
Had we signed Morkel this season, I doubt whether Ben Coad would have had his opportunity.
Some years ago when Michael Vaughan's powers were waning, we were fortunate to have two promising young men called Jonny Bairstow and Joe Root. Happily we did not go trawling the world for a batsman.
Each year we employ twelve players in our Academy at considerable expense. They need the incentive of a possible eventual first team place to retain their focus. Who knows which of them may be another Root, Bairstow or Coad.

 
 
Alibor
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017, 6:00 PM 

Regarding young players, I wonder whether we would have done any worse than giving Coad and Fisher a chance with the new ball against Essex in Scarborough match or having then both in side for the 20/20 competition. Willey has been a disappointment as bowler and has only infrequently contributed substantially as a batsman. Both Waite and Rhodes also showed some promise. We have been guilty of the old pals act under Gale as captain and coach both in terms of selection and using players effectively.

 
 
steve
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Rhodes

August 13 2017, 6:12 PM 

I have felt really sorry for Rhodes and how he has seemingly been treated, so much so that he is moving on at seasons end.

I wonder if Gale just doesn't rate him enough and that maybe is the crux of it.

If so, is maybe Rhodes not enough of a yes man or part of the click, who knows, but i have read elsewhere on here and in other places that the dressing room is not a happy place, well i wouldn't expect anything else due to the disappointing results but i wonder if some of that stems from differet players being treated in different ways by the coaching staff, who knows.

 
 
Leg Glance
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 13 2017, 6:40 PM 

Posted on wrong thread, apologies


    
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garywilson
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 14 2017, 8:18 PM 

At the end of last season some on here were for getting rid of Ballance as he had a bad run of form ." Give Leaning a chance ".
Then Jack got his chance and failed to score many runs so we had - probably from the same posters - "Leaning is rubbish, give the youngsters a chance ".
After the Essex game i read the C-K is rubbish and Brook out of his depth . So we need to play Willey as a batsman based on 2 good T20 innings- tried that last season at Lords and it was hardly a great success.

`So who EXACTLY are the "old pals" act and who EXACTLY would you replace them with who have not already been tried ?



 
 
Guest
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 14 2017, 8:48 PM 

I'm not sure that it is accurate to say that Morkel has unfinished business with YCCC. I seem to recollect that he more or less dropped out whilst clocking in.

At the time I said that I did not feel that he had been given any sort of chance as he had moved from a hot South Africa at the weekend, to a cold early season Headingley on the Tuesday, and unwisely, in my opinion, was asked to play straight away without any period of acclimatisation. Not surprisingly, after a few overs he suffered a muscle injury and that was the end of that.

Subsequently, he has shown himself to be a very fine player, but if he feels that he cannot "turn it on any more" and is stepping down from South African cricket, I am left wondering why YCCC would want to sign him again. I have never been in favour of short term, quick fixes; they generally end up being rather disappointing; look no further than the contributions of our overseas stars this season alone. Then review the experience over the last 20 years, and with one massive and possibly four other exceptions, all such ventures have been shown to be disappointing in retrospect. Why keep making the same mistake?

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 14 2017, 8:56 PM 

I've had my say about Kolpaks and other signings on a different thread. Sufficient here to endorse 100% Jolly D's remarks, above.

 
 
JG
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 14 2017, 10:27 PM 

BrickyardBoy: I think the point about Kolpak signings is that they are NOT short-term fixes, they are players who will be available all season, usually signed on multi-year contracts; very different to how overseas players have become. And JollyD, surely you can't seriously think that Yorkshire do not give opportunities to their academy players? Look at Coad and Brook this year; if you think Rhodes' progress was being blocked then that was by Leaning, Lees and Bresnan, not an experienced player signed from elsewhere.

I think if Morkel does give up international cricket and go down the Kolpak route it would be a real shame as he's one of the best bowlers in the world and that talent should be on the international stage, but if a county is to sign him I would rather it be Yorkshire than Surrey or Warks.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 16 2017, 11:16 AM 

Rumours of Amla too considering this. My money is on him replacing sangakarra at Surrey using their Graeme Smith connections

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 16 2017, 12:17 PM 

If Will Rhodes should have been managed differently it was after his spell as a make-shift opener. It's no surprise that he has been signed by the county against whom he made his highest score in that role. You could argue that he had done enough to merit a run at no 6, which would have been the ideal place. However there really was no vacancy and instead he had the odd chance here and there when we were short. I remember him looking particularly out of his depth at no 3 against Somerset. Nor did he look up to a fourth seamer role, which was how Essex used him - batting at 8. The reaction to his intermittent performances on the forum was just about universally negative. Then Matthew Waite came along and has looked a more likely prospect.

It's sad, and it may come back to haunt us, but I can't see that it was the stupid decision some have suggested.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 16 2017, 12:32 PM 

It's probably more a reflection of what else is going on around him.

When others do well and the team is successful then those on the fringes who don't take an opportunity are made to look poor.

But when the regulars do poorly then opinions of Rhodes rise without him having to do anything differently

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 16 2017, 2:03 PM 

Rhodes has seen players leapfrog over him in the pecking order - first Waite, then Brook, now Kohler-Cadmore. He remains a great looking player, oozing class at 2nd team level, but it hasn't worked for him so far, and he's at an age when he's got to move or it's career over.

It is one thing to fail to break into a successful batting order, but when the 1st team players are failing and you still can't get in .... well, he has done the sensible thing, sad as it is for those of us who believe in his talent.

Our loss, Warwickshire's gain, and Rhodes's gain, if he can make it work.

 
 

Guest
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Re: Morkel Kolpak?

August 16 2017, 6:58 PM 

Rhodes may make it, but it has to be said that Yorkshire have had an excellent record over players who've been release, rather than left of their own accord.

Wainwright has one good season with Derbyshire but didn't last long. Shahzad confirmed what we all thought. OHD has turned into a one day specialist who plays the odd Championship match.

The Yorkshire both players who tend to do for us are those who never played for the county or who left early in their career


 
 
 
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