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T20 North Group run-in

August 13 2017 at 9:34 AM
Geoff B  (Login Coastalview)

 
We are very reliant on other results now so I will be supporting teams I wouldn't normally touch with barge pole in the hope we can struggle through.

No hardship today,

Worcs v Notts = One has qualified and the other can't

Durham v Birmingham bears = Durham win would keep bears behind us, same points and same number of games played

We will all be kept waiting by Derbyshire who are playing a 3 day day/nighter against the WI so have fallen behind with fixtures.

There's actually only one of their players in the WI game who played in the last T20 so they are all having a nice rest.

 
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Twelfth Man
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Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 13 2017, 2:51 PM 

Hope of the first unlikely result already slipping away. Durham 25-3.

 
 
Stu
(Login StuartRA)
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Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 13 2017, 5:03 PM 

We have missed out on the first of the 6 or 7 unlikely results we need to qualify, even if we win our last match.



 
 
Geoff B
(Login Coastalview)

Let down

August 13 2017, 6:44 PM 

Durham are rubbish, sack the coach.

 
 
steve
(Login stevebluejay)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 13 2017, 7:23 PM 

Or sack Botham!

 
 
Guest
(Login ElTwis)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 8:55 AM 

Durham to win tonight then please. Keaton Jennings back playing against a Derbyshire team playing 3 times in 4 days knowing they habe to win twice...you just never know

 
 
peter
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 6:24 PM 

Yes, this is particular important as currently both leics and derby can get to 16 points.. derby lose tonight and a maximum of only 1 can make it to 16 and that would mean either sides winning their remaining 2 games

Of course this all assumes we win our last remaing game

Don't think in any year that 4 teams have finished on 16 points or more so the odds are on our side


    
This message has been edited by Blackpooltyke on Aug 15, 2017 6:28 PM


 
 
Twelfth Man
(Login twelthman)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 6:31 PM 

Derby should cruise through with Worcs and Durham to play. In that case we would need them to win all three as their other match is against Leicester. The only other remotely likely scenario which may help us is Warwickshire losing at Lancs, and even then we'd still need Lancs to be behind us on nrr. More chance of knitting fog.

 
 
Roundhegian
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Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 6:41 PM 

We overtake Northants if we beat them on Thursday and then they lose their final game.

 
 
twenty2guns
(Login twenty2guns)

T20 North Group run-in (Durham)

August 15 2017, 6:44 PM 

How on earth did we manage to lose to this lot?

 
 
Twelfth Man
(Login twelthman)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 6:51 PM 

"We overtake Northants if we beat them and they lose on Friday"

Only they play Durham on Friday so not much chance of that. Losing to Durham was criminal and will most likely prove very costly indeed since our rivals are all beating them easily.

 
 
peter
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 7:02 PM 

If derby do win all 3 or leics lose at tb on Friday then the teams above us would be notts derby and Northants should they beat Durham....then it will be up to the lancys to put us through by beating warks

Forget about the lancys nrr it is far inferior and is very unlikely they will catch our nrr.

 
 
Geoff B
(Login Coastalview)

Durham

August 15 2017, 8:06 PM 

Started to watch Derby v Durham but Durham were so poor I abandoned it after 4 overs.

Bit of a recovery thanks to Poynter but confidence is not high. Listening now hope it gets close enough to be worth watching the last 5 overs.

Whatever happens if we lose on Thursday that's it but otherwise it's Friday really when we need the other games to go our way.

 
 
Stu
(Login StuartRA)
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Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 9:04 PM 

Durham are very poor, I can not see them beating Northants on Friday. So even if we win on Thursday, Northants will finish above us.

Lancashire have to beat Warwickshire on Friday for us to go through.




 
 
Guest
(Login ElTwis)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 10:08 PM 

Blimey there's some negativity around here! Considering the start they made Durham did well tonight and at one point actually looked favourites. They certainly have a chance Friday, as do Lancashire against a bit and miss Birmingham side. One step at a time, let's have a win on Thursday and relax knowing our NRR is excellent and the other sides then also have to win. T20 is a great equalizer, anything can happen!

 
 
David in Morley
(Login DavidinMorley)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 10:14 PM 

Can't get my head round this NRR.

Before tonight's match the table on the BBC website gave Derbyshire's as 0.4150.

After the match it showed it as 0.4090.

So you can win a game and the rate gets worse?

 
 
Geoff B
(Login Coastalview)

Realistic

August 15 2017, 10:22 PM 

Not really negative just been hoping for Durham to help us get better odds by knocking back some of the opposition.

The way it's going, presuming we do win on Thursday, we might end up needing all 4 of the matches on Friday to go our way.

Nothing worse than when it's taken out of your own hands.

 
 
JG
(Login _JG_)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 11:00 PM 

David: on the NRR, yes it can get worse by winning if you win by less than the average amount by which you have won your previous games.

Example:

Yorkshire (140) beat Lancashire (120) by 20 runs. NRR +1.0. (Yorks run rate 7.0, opposition 6.0).
Yorkshire (140) beat Durham (130) by 10 runs. NRR for that game is +0.5, overall NRR is now +0.75. (Yorks run rate 7.0, opposition 6.25 [250/40]).


To be honest, if we're unable to beat Durham, Leics and Derbyshire twice we don't deserve favours, and with this squad we shouldn't have to rely on them. I just hope we at least keep our side of the bargain and win on Thursday.


 
 
Guest
(Login Roundhegian)

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 15 2017, 11:07 PM 

If Leics beat Derby on Thursday then lose to Notts on Friday, while Derby are losing to Worcs, we will finish above both Leics and Derby assuming we beat Northants.
With the same assumption. we go ahead of Northants if their final match is a tie or no result - it doesn't have to be a win for Durham.

 
 
Stu
(Login StuartRA)
Assistant Moderator

Re: T20 North Group run-in

August 16 2017, 8:33 AM 

You have hit the nail on the head there JG. One win from the 5 matches against Durham, Derbyshire & Leics shows that we deserve to be were we are - struggling to qualify!!

 
 
 
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