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Dwight_Schrute
(Login Dwight_Schrute)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 6:18 PM 

I don't think we should have been in a position to have our qualifying hopes hanging on a 'fine margin'.

 
 
Jay
(Login overman8)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 6:27 PM 

Well said Dwight and Fozzie, all the ifs and buts other some form of empty comfort. However the reality is that its been a 'poor' season by our standards. No amount of sentiment is going to cloud such facts, and my glass has gone out of the window.

 
 
Guest
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 6:32 PM 

Dwight did you forget about the 2nd out of 9?

Don't pick and choose your stats to prove your point.

We have fallen short of our own high standards and have regressed from last season but we have still performed well

How any can call lyth's innings as below average is beyond me

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
(Login Dwight_Schrute)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 6:34 PM 

I'm not the one picking and choosing stats, you are. You said we were above average in all 3 comps. I've explained how in 2 we weren't.

Nobody has even mentioned Lyth's inns.

 
 

Guest
(Login dpressed)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 6:51 PM 

Can't remember who I was watching or who we were playing. But near to the end of a T20 game on Sky they gave out the scored in the other matches being played. Yorkshire needed 20 from 2 overs and the Sky guys said 'Well Yorkshire will win that'. We lost the match.

 
 
Guest
(Login AndyNowhere)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 9:02 PM 

(Long time forum reader, moved to join and comment).

I don't want to be unduly negative but I think we have had a dreadful season (my live matches are at Scaaarrrghborough!). I do think that the problems that we have had have been apparent for a few years. In the CC the top order has been largely poor (in the squad, only one player averages over 35 and he has been out with England and injury). Same last year except we had Bairstow as a get-out-of-jail-free card for the first half a season (how many times over the previous seasons did he come in and steady the ship?) and a tail that wagged. We have been patiently waiting for those players (who were been spoken of as England players) to find form - this season Lyth (average 24), Lees (average 22)- while the tail has been much less successful. People on here don't rate Hodd's batting but he has a very similar average to all but Ballance.

So it has been and remains a question of stick or twist? Is it a coaching problem? A confidence problem? A tactical problem? Or are they just not good enough? (watch Lyth in the last T20 and explain how he averages 24 in the CC). I was hoping Willey would develop into a County championship player of quality (the reason he gave for joining) but that has not transpired. Seriously how is such a talented group of players not performing?

The bowling attack has gradually been losing menace over the last few years (Coad notwithstanding) but that is perhaps down to a lack of scoreboard pressure. Hard to set attacking fields with low scores.

Of course, in our time of relative descent, England call ups have played a part but somebody somewhere must have guessed that our best English players would be called up. And that is the time when other players need to step up and show their hunger. This has not really happened. Maybe (before someone else says it) I am expecting too much.

The 50 & 20 have been frustrating especially as it seems that that has been more of a focus. The lack of consistency and failure of the overseas players have stopped us from getting to the sharp end of competitions. This happens but somewhere there seems to be a flaky mentality.

While I do not blame Gale (and note that this season is part of a long term project), I wonder how Gillespie would be faring. Better in the CC is my guess but probably the same woes in the shorter form. And yes I am glass half empty, this is Yorkshire, the county of Close, Trueman, Boycott, Root, Bairstows. Anything short of dominance is failure. We should either be the best or working towards being the best. I see little of evidence of either.


    
This message has been edited by AndyNowhere on Aug 19, 2017 9:13 PM


 
 
Stu
(Login StuartRA)
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Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 19 2017, 9:24 PM 

Welcome Andy to the forum, good to have you on board.

 
 
Idle man
(Login Idle_man)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 6:24 AM 

Yes, good summary. I might exclude the 50 over comp, where for the second year running we reached the latter stages and had to go in with ridiculously weakened sides.

 
 
peter
(Login Blackpooltyke)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 9:50 AM 

Yes good summary Andy

Don't think we have much wrong in either of the shorter formats

But we have been dreadful in proper cricket

Why is that?

For me its mainly down to the top order. Opening batsmen's prime job is to take the shine off the new ball....who cares if we are 40-0 at lunch? That's the foundation needed to make hay in the afternoon against an older ball and tiring bowlers...
But too often lyth and lees seem to be getting out due to bad shot selection and we end up 100-4. This is a bad habit brought about by force of habit playing too much limited overs stuff.

Bowlers too tend to get more wickets by bowling non scoring deliveries to frustrate the batsmen into playing attacking shots where perhaps they would ne more advised to wait it put.

Bowlers who constantly get their deliveries left alone will waver to leg stump where it can easily be clipped or leg glanced.

 
 
Justgrazing
(Login Justgrazing)

dumb cricket

August 20 2017, 4:15 PM 

Whilst out massive positive run rate is being lauded as a positive it is reality an indicator of the lack of cricketing nous that has caused us to fail to make progress in T20.

Why can't we play the situation? We have just murdered Northants and proved how good we can be but there just isn't a Plan B with the batting. We will never be successful if we can't change our plan to suit the occasion when we lose a couple of early wickets and conditions suggest that 180 will be a good score but we crash on aiming for 220 and struggle to get 150.

Having said that, our weakness is in the inconsistency of our pace bowlers who seem unable to focus their attention to the task which does beg the question of how badly bust Fisher have slipped back to not be able to get into this attack.

I'm sure it's been said over and again but how do we manage to pick up such poor overseas players, all with great reputations but unable to perform to the clearly higher standards of T20 Blast. Hodd must be seriously considering his future by being kept out by Sarfaraz and Handscomb whose wicketkeeping would be a joke if they played for anyone else and their combined effort with the bat is less than Hodd would have scored at a canter. And as for Leaning being dropped to retain Marsh!! The lunatics have clearly taken over the asylum.

 
 
Alibor
(Login Alibor2)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 7:04 PM 

There is no escaping the fact that poor strategy and inflexibility with batting and bowling order cost us several matches which we should have won comfortably. We learnt some lessons but too late. It should not require a decent coach to understand the basics eg changing batting order to maintain momentum, changing bowling sequence to give best chance of getting key wickets, placing fielders in wicket taking positions (including run outs). Neither coach nor acting captain got these things right in heat of key battles. Complacency is the word which comes to mind too often with our team performance in recent yea(s), especially after an easy win.
Although our overseas player choices this year have not been great, we do have enough quality players to produce better results.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
(Login Pyrahtechnics)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 9:55 PM 

For once Yorkshire had England players available for the entire T20 tournament (Willey, Rashid and Plunkett).

In previous years we could bemoan about losing T20 matches or missing out on qualification due to having an unsettled squad and having to bat Dan Hodgson or Adil Rashid at 3, but this is not the case. In theory the close matches should have been won from our international quality bowlers, certainly when defending good totals against Notts, Derbyshire and Leicestershire.

After giving much thought from the original post of this thread, to not qualify for the T20 Blast knockout stages with having 7 players who have played at international level is criminal. This is where the coaching staff take responsiblity.

The sole positive of this years campaign is overall home performances and an aggregate attendance of 65,000 over 7 games. I hope the board continue to take T20 seriously and invest in a couple of specialist additions for 2018 and beyond.

 
 

Dave Morton
(Login DaveMorton)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 11:04 PM 

The trouble is, we fork out big money for these 'specialists' and, for the main part, they don't do it for us. Miller did it, and Starc, but since then we've see the largely useless Maxwell, Finch - who ironically did well in the CC but not in T20 - and the present bunch of nonentities. And probably a few others I can't remember.

By its nature, T20 is so hit-and-miss you could employ absolutely anyone, especially a batsman, and there's no guarantee of success. The world's most valuable player, Ben Stokes, is the same guy who went for 4 successive sixes in the World Cup. Hit by a guy who usually misses.

I'm not criticising Stokes, it's simply the nature of the format: you bowl it, they swing, sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss, sometimes it goes out of the ground, sometimes it goes straight up in the air.

Bresnan takes 6 for 18 (or whatever), next game he goes for 40 off 2 overs. The accuracy that was an advantage one day, was a liability the next.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
(Login Dwight_Schrute)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 20 2017, 11:28 PM 

QDK and Andre Russell 2018 targets.

 
 
Frank Smith
(Login FreshStart1987)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 12:01 AM 

QDK should be a target for all formats due to our feeble run scoring keeper. South African cricket is financially on its knees and we should be looking at him for a kolpac signing. People might say I'm being unrealistic but I would never of envisaged Abbott or Morkel becoming kolpac either.
All I want for next year is a genuinely talented overseas batsmen as well as a kolpac run scorer. I do not want another googled Aussie who averages 30 but has potential. We need an experienced run scorer who can provide 1000+ in cc.

You can all pick apart my comments but until you need to realise we are carrying deadwood and not div 1 title winning talismen.


    
This message has been edited by FreshStart1987 on Aug 21, 2017 12:11 AM


 
 

Dave Morton
(Login DaveMorton)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 1:02 AM 

If you think Andy Hodd is dead wood, you cannot possibly have watched him bat or keep. We have problems, but Hoddy is NOT one of them.

 
 
Frank Smith
(Login FreshStart1987)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 3:35 AM 

I'm not just singling hodd out but we signed a t20 wickerkeeper to play in front of him and they picked dudscomb to keep over him.
If the management don't think he can sufficiently contribute with the bat in 20 overs then who am I to disagree?? Also when was his last 100? You can't be in the team purely on your glovework anymore There's 3 or 4 in the side that are just in on previous exploits and I wonder what happens if they don't recapture any form between now and the end of the season?? If hodd and lees don't score any runs or Brooks, Rashid and Bresnan don't take enough wickets then what happens?? The same applies to gale and moxon.

In any other sport everyone mentioned above would be dropped or sacked




 
 
garywilson
(Login garywilson2)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 9:02 AM 

Easy to sack half the team . Not so easy to see who we replace them with... who exactly would you suggest ?

Yes Handscombe was a disapointment but an average of 54 in tests and 41 in FC cricket hardly make him googled with an average of 30 . Hindsight is a wonderful thing . At the start of the season i think most people were happy we had got him. Recommended by JG perhaps ?


    
This message has been edited by garywilson2 on Aug 21, 2017 9:54 AM


 
 
Dwight_Schrute
(Login Dwight_Schrute)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 10:03 AM 

Hodd is a nice bloke and a good keeper.

But please don't pretend he's a good batsman. You'd think reading on here that he was averaging 50+ this season. Nope 22!

 
 
garywilson
(Login garywilson2)

Re: Regarding Yorkshire T20 comments.

August 21 2017, 10:36 AM 

The only problem with Andy Hodd is that he is not Jonny Bairstow and why he is constantly berated on here is beyond me .

 
 
 
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