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Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017 at 7:01 AM

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One would think that if the Tykes don't win this match against a floundering Warwickshire side, Yorkshire may well end up all but booking a place in the second division alongside bottom-of-the-table Warwicks.

Any predictions as to our probable match day XI?

 
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Geoff B
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Starting XI

September 17 2017, 9:26 AM 

My attempt, and I'm presuming Sidebottom is injured.

Brathwaite
Lyth
Lees
Kohler-Cadmore
Ballance
Bresnan
Hodd
Carver
Brooks
Coad
Patterson.

Love to get Leaning in too but I think it's too risky to go without a proper spinner and we are likely to be bowling last.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017, 9:32 AM 

Siddy is 50-50, but don`t expect him to play, which is a big blow for him personally as he misses the chance to bow out his long career at Headingley.

Also weakens us considerably.

I would go for

Lyth, Braithwaite, Lees, Ballance, KC, Leaning, Hodd, Bresnan, Brooks, Coad, Siddy/Patto.

Lyth, Braithwaite & Leaning, IMO, are all better off-break bowlers than Rafiq.


    
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Alibor
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017, 10:46 AM 

To leave Leaning out would be nonsense IMHO - he would be in my team before K-C or Bresnan on recent batting displays. We do need plenty of bonus points as well as a victory.

 
 
Frank Smith
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017, 11:15 AM 

I have to agree with the majority here that lyth and brathwaite are far better red ball options than rafiq. Due to the game being played in late September and the good chance of disruption batting once and batting well is the best game plan. I agree that Brooks and coad should both be pencilled in and Sid and Patterson. Bresnan hasn't really performed with bat or ball so I'd go for:

Lyth
Brathwaite
Lees
Ballance
Leaning
TKC
Hodd
Brooks
Patterson
Coad
Sidebottom or Bresnan if not fit who would then move to 8

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017, 10:07 PM 

Presuming Rafiq and Sidebottom are injured

Lyth
Brathwaite
Lees
Ballance
Leaning
Hodd
Bresnan
Waite/Patterson
Brooks
Carver/Rafiq
Coad/Sidebottom

A loss of Rafiq makes the tail look long at 8, need someone who can hold a bat there.

 
 
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 17 2017, 11:11 PM 

"A loss of Rafiq makes the tail look long at 8, need someone who can hold a bat there"

Not half as long as it does with Rafiq batting in that position. It is high time that YCCC moved on from the Rafiq myth. He is simply not good enough for CC cricket (IMO), no matter how valuable he is in the genre of Slog Ball; at which he excels!

 
 
Duckworth Lewis
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Starting XI

September 18 2017, 12:03 AM 

Lyth
TKC
Brathwaite
Lees
Ballance
Leaning
Hodd
Bresnan
Brooks
Coad
Sidebottom (Patto or Fisher if unfit)

The choice of opening pair is a tricky call, but I'm not sure this is a game to be going into with an untried opening pair. TKC & Lyth have batted together with some success in T20; on the evidence of the Surrey game, opening in the CC may rein in TKC's tendency to hit out and give his wicket away -when he has appeared in the middle order in the CC it has not been successful. Giving Brathwaite that little bit of breathing space to settle at 3, and keeping him away from a possibly moving new ball on the first morning at Headingley may be beneficial. Lees is beginning to flourish away from the new ball (against which his feet movement can seem leaden -goodness knows why it's taken the coaches so long to spot this) -he looks like a natural no 3 of the sticking around type, in the mould of Trott; but if he can bat at 3, then he can bat at 4 (given that I am picking an extra batsman instead of a spinner for this must-win match). Ballance appears at 5, where he's probably produced his best batting in the past -he's also needed there to hold together the mid-to-lower order in this long batting line-up (I wouldn't want TKC & Leaning to appear successively, given the tendency of both to give their wickets away with big swipes just when getting set -they definitely need separating). The under-rated Hodd's encouraging recent form means he continues with the responsibility of 6.

Given that we will almost certainly be batting first, I think this extended batting line-up gives us the best possible chance of making 400+. We will then need to bowl them out twice. Hence my pondering whether to go for Fisher, rather than the redoubtable Patto, if Sidebottom is unfit -Fisher's extra pace means that (like Plunkett, who would have been ideal) he has the ability to beat a batsman for speed, which may make him more likely to take wickets at Headingley in a match which is beginning to feel a bit like a one-off "cup final." I have no idea how Fisher has been performing in the nets or in the seconds, but it is worth noting that when Plunkett was omitted in favour of Patto in last seasons Championship decider at Lord's, Patto floundered and failed to take a single wicket.

 
 
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 12:47 AM 

In response to omitting Plunkett for Patto at Lords last year. Up to then Patto had been his usual reliant self so probably deserved selection. Last week versus Surrey it was his first red ball match in months yet he took 3 wickets and did get progressively better as the match went on having not bowled red ball, yet Bresnan only took 1 wicket and so did Siddy so why is he the favoured one to be omitted.!
Lords was a year ago has very other bowler taken wickets every game !!!!

 
 
Dewsburian
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 9:04 AM 

I think the logic behind Duckworth Lewis's eleven makes sense, though I think Fisher may be a gamble - unless he's bowling better than when I last saw him. Just to be a bit pernickety, Hodd is said to be included at 6, but is listed at 7.

 
 

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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 9:10 AM 

I know bonus points could be crucial but I would just say concentrate on winning the game and don't get too caught up with the bonus points.
Just ask for 4 days of good weather and if we don't win then we only have ourselves to blame.

Would be disappointed if Sidebottom not playing and would probably be risked if it was a dead rubber but no room for sentiment if not 100%.

Think Lyth, Braithwaite, Lees, Ballance, Leaning, Hodd, Bresnan, Brooks, Patterson, Rafiq, Coad.

 
 
GG68
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Yorkshire v Warwickshire

September 18 2017, 12:39 PM 

As an aside I just find it amazing that the three sides that were fighting it out to be champions on the last day of last season are now fighting it out at the end of this season to avoid relegation. Wonder why??


    
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garywilson
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 12:47 PM 

"Lees is beginning to flourish away from the new ball (against which his feet movement can seem leaden -goodness knows why it's taken the coaches so long to spot this) -he looks like a natural no 3 of the sticking around type, in the mould of Trott;"

This does seem a little premature based on the evidence of one match on what was basically a road?

After the Middlesex game last year it seemed Bresnan was flourishing at 5 but alas that assumption too has proved to be not quite the case.


Lyth
Brathwaite
Lees
Ballance
K-C
Leaning
Bresnan
Hodd
Brooks
Coad
Siddy or Patto if unfit.

I can't see a spinner having a lot to do except to boost the over rate and Lyth can do that .


    
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 12:56 PM 

Sidebottom missing then (why didn't they wait until after his fitness test to announce the squad).
Not glad that Sidebottom is out but glad they are not risking him.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 1:33 PM 

"A loss of Rafiq makes the tail look long at 8, need someone who can hold a bat there"

Not half as long as it does with Rafiq batting in that position. It is high time that YCCC moved on from the Rafiq myth. He is simply not good enough for CC cricket (IMO), no matter how valuable he is in the genre of Slog Ball; at which he excels!

Harsh on Rafiq when his fighting qualities with the bat kept Yorkshire in last years title race against Middlesex. We may need those qualities if Yorkshire end up under the cosh. Remember a certain David Wainwright doing a couple of houdini acts in past relegation scraps against Sussex, twice.

 
 
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 1:51 PM 

Think the first 6 pick themselves:

Lyth, Braithwaite, Lees, Ballance, Leaning (batsmen)

Hodd (keeper)

It now gets tricky, but I'd also leave out a specialist spinner.

Bowlers:

Brooks, Bres, Patto with, and its risky Waite plus TC-K. Although if those who really know feel that after injury Waite lacks a bit of zip, I'd go with Fisher, although I've a feeling I'm missing someone obvious!

I suspect with the forecast for Wednesday a bit dodgy we'll see a pitch which, shall we say, keeps the game moving!

EDIT: I am missing someone obvious - Coad. Maybe gamble and play him in front of Patto. I don't like Brooks at 9 - effectively playing three No 11s.


    
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Dave Morton
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 1:53 PM 

I don't see that Rafiq bats any better than Carver or Fisher or Coad; he is very unlikely to take wickets. Odd that a bowler who's a bit if a force in T20 is completely innocuous with the red ball, and against batsmen who merely have to wait for the bad ball to come along.

Do we play the extra batsman in a game in which we need to take 20 wicket? Can we risk Lyth as the only spinner? (I discount Leaning as a bowler, and I don't remember seeing Brathwaite.)

Is this the time to bring Fisher in? Try to freshen up a tired attack. Did Brooks bowl okay at The Oval, or did he just take five wickets?

Lots of questions, no answers, not from me. Over to you, Galey lad.

 
 
garywilson
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 2:01 PM 

I do not get to many games but i saw Rafiq play a very good innings at Scarborough last year against Notts . Surely a much better batsman than Coad ?

 
 
Frank Smith
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 2:11 PM 

Call me old fashioned but I like bowlers who take wickets. I don't see any benefit in playing rafiq, carver or Bresnan. Some might call me harsh but I'd understand if Bresnan is picked on past reputation. Coad and Brooks with Patterson and the fastest bowler on our books to offer some variation. Wainman, fisher, Warner?? Don't know much about either of them 3 so could somebody who HAS SEEN them live please enlighten me on if they are good enough please.

 
 
garywilson
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Re: Championship | Yorkshire vs Warwickshire at Leeds (Pre-match Thread)

September 18 2017, 2:36 PM 

Fastest bowler on our books being ?

 
 
 
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