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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 12:26 PM 

Part of me thinks I'd like to see him have a go at sorting out our failings and mess. It's hard mid season to change things easily if games come and go quickly and the squad varies from match to match plus formats and scheduling are unhelpful.

To be fair he has done something to try and help our top order batting in the last few years by retiring! However I'm not sure those replacing have done any better either.

Rather than blaming the top order and senior players it's up to him to tackle and resolve the problems - and if they're not good enough players then get some who are.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 1:01 PM 

I assume the players will have an end of season appraisal with MM &AG. MM & AG will have their end of season appraisal done with ??? Who are they answerable to?

If they have their annual appraisal, surely the only result can be is that they both go.

 
 
twenty2guns
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Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 1:47 PM 

When we won the CC in 2014 and 2015 Jason Gillespie was, rightly, given a lot of the credit. Now, this year, when we've struggled the coach places all the blame on the players. If that is the case, what is the point in employing a coach? As he's said himself he's not cheap, so what exactly is he doing to justify the salary. I can't see anything in the interview that he's prepared to accept any of the blame and might have to think about changing his coaching style.

On his appointment, what other coaching job would he have got in first class cricket?


 
 
Tyke83
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 2:16 PM 

We have to remove him ASAP.

 
 
Gavin Gray
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 2:20 PM 

What would you have done as coach? No matter what the coach does, on the field of play it is down to the players to implement anything the coach has highlighted.
The players are ultimately responsible for on field decisions. poor shot selections, idiotic runs, etc.
Yes Gale and Moxon need to get to the bottom of why the team performance was way below average and address the reasons.
You look at the team and it is a good side.

 
 
twenty2guns
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Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 2:23 PM 

Atmosphere in the dressing room?

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 4:17 PM 

I think nearly everyone accepts the batting is a problem but that doesn't make them solely responsible for the failings this season.

If Gale isn't prepared to accept any blame publicly then i very much doubt the dressing room is anything but carnage, this is a man you cannot reason with.


 
 
Guest
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 4:36 PM 

Yorkshire stubbornness and hence why we do better with non Yorkshire coaches

 
 
Frank Smith
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 4:50 PM 

NEARLY everyone Dwight!!

Surely it can't get any worse from here, hopefully if gale and moxon do stay they won't be too proud or arrogant to get some extra help in??

Sid for bowling coach and an experienced batting coach? Plus a fitness coach. A lot of injuries and lees looks horrendously out of shape.

I know I've said it before but I think we've got to get Vaughan and boycott involved somewhere - no links to the current side helps

The first priority has got to be to identify an overseas player for a full year. Williamson, Marsh etc I don't know the international calendar

Also an experienced domestic batsman - we all know who i want, anybody like Mitchell would be good

Pressure then is on lees n lyth to shape up or ship out

We have to get the coaching structure right and get them ex players coming bk

"I'm not saying I want them to stay but I don't believe they will be sacked"


    
This message has been edited by FreshStart1987 on Sep 29, 2017 4:52 PM


 
 
Stu
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 5:02 PM 

"I'm not saying I want them to stay but I don't believe they will be sacked"

You are right, Frank. The tone of the articles in the "Press" & YP clearly indicate that MM & AG are going nowhere, and that, based on performances this season is correct. No progress at all, more like regression.

They should go, but they are not.



    
This message has been edited by StuartRA on Sep 29, 2017 5:04 PM


 
 
Guest
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 6:56 PM 

I'm not sure I'd resign from a reasonably well paid (I'm not cheap!) without another job to go to

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 29 2017, 11:57 PM 

"I'm not sure I'd resign from a reasonably well paid (I'm not cheap!) without another job to go to"

Return to being involved in the cricket shop opposite the ground?

 
 
littleoldme
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Lyth yes Lees no

September 30 2017, 8:59 PM 

I know Adam Lyth had a poor Championship season. Adam would except that if you quizzed him. But no way can you call for him to "ship out" as you put it. His one-day record was excellent this year and now with a career first class average of 39 he has a proven record in all formats. Yes his career average was 42 or 43 when he was picked for England but I have a lot of faith in him and I can see it "turning around" for him because he has the talent to do it. However Alex Lees is causing me a lot of concern. Constantly looking behind to see if his bat is straight, hitting with hard hands all the time, fails to rotate the strike, can't play the spinners, looks very unfit as one other member pointed out on here, not to mention his very poor List A batting average. I predict 2018 is last chance saloon for him. Another poor season next year and I could see the club looking "to move him on to another county".
A Buchan

 
 
Martin
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

September 30 2017, 10:59 PM 

Alex has always looked round at his bat since he was a kid. A rather endearing habit drilled into him by his dad to stop him hitting hus stumps! Nothing to do with his form

 
 
Reg
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

October 1 2017, 9:15 AM 

I don't understand after a season where the whole team has failed that we zero in a couple of players, both of whom scored over a thousand runs the previous campaign. Their ability is not the issue and the same applies for most of the squad. Cricket, more so than other team games, puts every player in the spotlight in a specialist role at some point in a game. It is also a highly tactical game. Without the correct state of mind and the right 'technical' thinking success won't happen.

Imagine what bringing in a highly paid hired hand in for the final two games did for our batters. All had started to score and somebody had to be sacrificed. You can't buy confidence. Then the money signing proves to be a dudd, unable to play late season English conditions. Decisions like that one create a completely avoidable and counter productive tension. This is one of many poor decisions we have seen this season.

T20 suffered equally from duff choices, both in how we played and who we had playing. How much did we spend??? When I think about our T20 I look back to the 2016 season when we reached finals day and the game that comes to my mind is the semi against Glamorgan. We had a very regular line-up with no overseas, captained by a young hopeful and they crushed their hosts on a Friday night in Cardiff. We sadly lost that vibe at Edgbaston having to bring in our stars, who were casual at best. We weren't far off that season but decided to change everything.

By the way, contract wise I believe Lees has two years left to run and like all contracted players is not allowed to talk to any other counties. I really wouldn't anticipate a massive turnover of players, which Gale has confirmed.


    
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Seadog73
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

October 1 2017, 10:41 AM 

Going on the noises coming from the club, it seems likely that there will be no change of coach and very minimal changes in playing staff. I can hear a few spleens rupturing from here.

 
 
Gavin Gray
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

October 1 2017, 4:32 PM 

There is nothing wrong with the players ability in general. It is their mental application that needs sorting.

 
 
Martin
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

October 2 2017, 11:22 AM 

I see Andy Hurry has been appointed director of cricket at Somerset. A man who has never played first class cricket..

 
 
Martin A
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Re: Time for Coaching set up to go?

October 2 2017, 11:29 AM 

I wonder whether James Tredwell might be a canny signing? We seem to be in need of a "senior pro" for one thing. We are certainly in need of a serviceable red ball spinner for another. It seems slightly strange to think that a player out of favour at a side playing a level below us might do a job for us but I always quite liked him - a scrapper and a thinker.

 
 
 
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