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Stu
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 1:14 PM 

Todays report from Cricinfo suggests the saga continues on.

Who goes down and who stops up???

 
 
Guest
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 1:28 PM 

I'm waiting for the ECB to say Middlesex can't have their points back but they have reviewed the pitch inspectors report from their last game at Taunton and docked Somerset two points for a poor pitch

 
 
Fraisse10
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 2:13 PM 

Truest excerpt from the Cricinfo story:

"This is the second year in succession in which the relegation issue has been muddied by disciplinary action...It is a scenario that does nothing to enhance the reputation of the competition or the ECB."

The Middlesex boys are more embarrassed than optimistic

http://www.cricketnetwork.co.uk/boards/read/s66.htm?67,16117472



    
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mambers
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 2:34 PM 

At the end of the season the 2 teams with the fewest points deserve to go down. It's that simple. Yes the crossbow incident was unfortunate, but would they be appealing if they had got more than their one solitary batting bonus point in the first innings? What if the game had continued, Surrey had taken the last 3 wickets and then knocked off the runs to win. There are too many "ifs and buts" for an appeal. Wipe your mouth, dust yourself down and then use the "injustice" as a spur to come straight back up next year.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 3:23 PM 

From the Middlesex fans forum.

"....The ECB seems to be up there with so many other sporting bodies when it comes to staggering levels of incompetence. Which should really come as no surprise. Madness....."

Sums up the ECB well!! Middlesex appeal, appeal turned down, told there can be no further appeals, then 3 weeks later allow another appeal.

 
 
Kevin Owens
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 6:36 PM 

Middlesex have just released a statement saying they're appealing.

 
 

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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 11 2017, 7:54 PM 

As one of the Yorkshire 'faithful' I have to say that Middlesex don't appeal to me ... lol

 
 
sid
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 7:57 AM 

Can you imagine the outcry in any other sport if two competing teams colluded to engineer a match situation to allow one of them to gain points contributing to the final league table, which is effectively what happened here.It would be called cheating, there would be investigations, book makers would refuse to pay out. Its incredible.

The ECB should be investigating and both should face sanction. Perhaps they could relegate both Middlesex and Surrey?

 
 
Guest
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 9:54 AM 

On a par with declaration bowling.

Same punishment for that??

 
 
Alibor
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 9:55 AM 

Wonder how many more budding Robin Hood's will use cricket grounds as targets in future, especially to end critical matches!? Maybe someone should have tried it at Scarborough or Chelmsford, although there would still have been two more days to play!
It is a complete farce.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 10:02 AM 

While they are at it, they can look at the declaration made by Middlesex to deny us a point and dock them 5 points for that.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 10:54 AM 

Sid, reading your post, it sounds like something someone would write after the final day of the 2016 season!

Not sure why Middlesex would have to collude with Surrey in this situation. They were batting themselves, declare and bowl. Unless Surrey had agreed to defend back to the bowler!

 
 
sid
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 12:00 PM 

I think declaration bowling is different to what Middlesex and Surrey were hoping to achieve in this one. Declaration bowling is usually used to revive a dead game and once that section of play is over, both teams compete again to win points and deprive their opponents. That wasn't the intended case here, Surrey were allowing Middlesex, without obstruction, to effectively gain two points.

I was perhaps wrong to say Surry colluded with Middlesex. However this type of thing happens fairly frequently and the batting team always does nothing to frustrate the side attempting to up their over rate. Bowlers, usual off a couple of steps, offering no threat, are routinely patted back, no attempt is made to score, batsman are always ready to receive the bowling, drinks are never called for, gloves never require to be changed. If not colluding, they're definitely complicit. The understanding is 'when we're in the same situation, we expect the favour to be returned'.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 1:02 PM 

Yep agree with that. We should have sent Lancs off with a deduction to boot when we hammered them at home.

 
 
David in Morley
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 3:44 PM 

..........points which they would immediately have got back with Stu's suggestion, when Surrey declared at 201 for 8 in the final match!

Actually Dwight, what would that have achieved? Yorkshire won that game easily and Lancs finished 13 points clear of third place.


    
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Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 3:52 PM 

Hindsight a wonderful thing..

 
 
Stu
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 5:56 PM 

David ---- The penalty goes to the opposition side, so Middlesex WOULD NOT not have got any points back from the Surrey declaration. Middlesex should have had a 5 point penalty when they played us, and also Surrey & Essex should have had a 5 point penalty as both of them made a declaration to deprive the opposition of bonus points.


    
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Stu
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 12 2017, 6:01 PM 

Somerset preparing legal case if Middlesex win their appeal.

From BBC Sport

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41597372

It gets even messier!!

Fixtures out by next Easter with a bit of luck!!

 
 
Loiner
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 13 2017, 4:38 AM 

We're gonna end up with two divisions of 9 again, can't see any other outcome

 
 
Guest
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Re: Middlesex seek ECB hearing..

October 13 2017, 6:47 AM 

I can. Middlesex still being relegated.

They entered the last game knowing what was needed after the points deduction and still failed. That game may have gone differently if the points at start differed.

 
 
 
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