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5 day Tests under threat?

October 5 2017 at 7:23 PM
JG  (Login _JG_)

 
Good opinion piece on this from Andy Bull in the Guardian this week:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/oct/04/why-test-cricket-still-needs-its-fifth-day

I totally agree with him, and also like the comment BTL that Graves seems to know the price of everything but the value of nothing. I've defended him on here about his involvement in YCCC, but since he's gone to the ECB have found myself disagreeing with almost every decision or pronouncement he makes- he's no better than Giles Clarke...

 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 4:31 PM 

5 day test matches back in the 80's would have been played over a minimum of 500 overs.

Nowadays, its usually less than 450.

Therefore logic should tell you that more matches should go the full 5 days, but in fact its less.

Why is that?

Batsmen, the world over do not have the same skill set of yesteryear.

Think on balance, 4 day matches starting at 11 and going on till 110 overs have been bowled in the day, with the option of overtime for rain interruptions would be a good idea. With floodlights used when necessary this should not be a problem.

It would sure concentrate the fielding team to get on with their overs if they wanted to enjoy any evening functions.

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 5:04 PM 

"Batsmen, the world over do not have the same skill set of yesteryear"

Rubbish. Batsmen the world over have a wider ranging skill set in the modern game.

 
 
Tyke1950
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 5:50 PM 

Not so sure EYT.
I'd be interested to see the likes of Hales and Roy on an uncovered wicket, 60's style.

 
 
Roundhegian
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 7:32 PM 

In my opinion there's a lot of merit in four day tests.
Cricket tends to expand to fill the hours and overs that are available. Batsmen play more cautiously and there are many instances where team A, having gained a big advantage on the first innings, pile up an unnecessarily large mountain of runs the second time around, just because they can.
Better drainage on English grounds has reduced delays caused by weather and floodlights mean there are fewer interruptions or curtailments owing to bad light.
I don't believe there would be much enthusiasm among spectators for days of 110 overs taking seven and a half hours or more of playing time to complete. Most would be content with 90 overs completed in the scheduled six hours.

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 10:07 PM 

"Rubbish. Batsmen the world over have a wider ranging skill set in the modern game."

so how often do batsmen today bat all day?

I recall Boycott batting in all 5 days of a test match, in the days when test batsmen averaged well over 50 and some even got up to 100 average.

Today, you just bowl good line and length and wait for the batsman to get frustrated and play an indiscrete shot. In years gone by, batsmen would not do that so much and wait until the bowler gets tired and then get his runs.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 6 2017, 10:26 PM 

You can't defend with your pads all day in the modern era!

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 2:09 AM 

Not sure whether England can guarantee the climate to play four day test cricket even with extra overs bowled in a day. If play is not dealayed to rain, it will be to bad light post 5pm and floodlights are only effective for so long.

A 4 day test only makes winning more difficult for the team batting 2nd if they concede above 400 runs.

 
 
Stu
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 9:59 AM 

Mark Arthur backing it, in todays YP.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cricket/four-day-tests-backed-to-enrich-financial-wellbeing-of-counties-1-8792795

Good idea in practice for all the reasons Mark states (much better scheduling, 5th day costs eliminated, etc) but with the appalling over rates in test matches it is just not workable.

Test teams struggle to get 90 overs in a days play now, how will they manage 105 overs a day, even with the extra time. Floodlights can only be used for a short time before they become ineffective.

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 10:23 AM 

I've got nothing against 5 days worth of play happening over 4 days. In practice that might mean a complete change in the make up of the day to get the overs in. Based on 110 overs in a day 10-12 morning session, 12:30-2:30 Early afternoon, 2:45-4:45 late afternoon and 5-7 evening with penalties for any overs not bowled. An over rate of 14 per hour which should be easily attainable gets the overs bowled with time to spare. Is there any reason games can't start at 10 rather than 11?

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 10:23 AM 

Test teams struggle to get 90 overs in a days play now, how will they manage 105 overs a day, even with the extra time. Floodlights can only be used for a short time before they become ineffective.

tell that to the headingley umpires.

how can you on one hand say floodlights are ineffective and yet play day/night test matches?

 
 
Stu
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 11:13 AM 

Floodlights ineffective with a red ball, ok with a pink or white ball. But you cannot switch mid innings or mid game from red to white or pink.


    
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Dwight_Schrute
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 7 2017, 11:19 AM 

Weather will become a more important factor.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 12:27 AM 

Mark Arthur supporting 4 day test cricket for financial reasons and quoting figures just shows the person he is. Thinking about the pennies rather than the game itself, just for the sake of £50,000.

Cricket New Zealand did not charge for entry on Day 5 for the Basin Reserve test at Bangladesh earlier this year, where New Zealand pulled off an unlikely victory after conceding 590 in the 1st innings and attracted 5000+. The crowd poured in during the afternoon session and even past tea as word got round - workmen in suits and boots finishing early so they can catch the winning moment. That kind of PR wins fans by potentially attending a future paid game, therefore attracting bigger crowds in the long term.

Given that the Yorkshire board are just puppet masters of the ECB. I would rather see Yorkshire go bust and reform under a new entity, start again in Division 2 on minus 96pts, minus 8pts in both white ball competitions and get evicted from Headingley if it meant getting the unanswerable out.


    
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 8:20 AM 

Arthur has a short memory as the last headingley test produced one of the best fifth day finishes in a long time as well as boosting our coffers

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 9:29 AM 

But that's his point, going to the 5th day, no matter how exciting the finish will have cost Yorkshire money.
I remember Steve Denison tweeting before the test started that he wanted the test to finish at 5pm on the 4th day.

 
 
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 10:43 AM 

In which case there is something wrong with his financial management.

 
 
Martin
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 11:59 AM 

It is surely about the fixed overheads the club has versus guaranteed ticket income from advanced sales. No amount of financial management can get round this.

This is not an argument for doing away with the fifth day but writing it off as loss making and making sure that decent profits are made on the first three days to offset it. Precisely what happens now presumably.

To put it another way. Would ticket prices go down if we moved to four day tests since there would be no need to compensate for fifth day losses? I doubt it!

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: 5 day Tests under threat?

October 8 2017, 7:54 PM 

It's rather presumptious of King Arthur and the Yorkshire board to think ticket sales will be maintained for a 4 day test.

Question is, will people attend the 4th day in numbers if the match is poised for a draw or England defeat? Having one less day of a test match means the financial risk is moved to Day 4. Based on £15/£5 tickets of a Day 4 game and the £50k staging costs, 5,000 fans need to go through the gates just to break even.

 
 
 
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