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Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018 at 8:46 AM
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Some Yorkshire interest in the Aussie BBL with Willey opening batting and bowling for his team (I struggle to know which team is which with some cities having two teams) and Yorkshire born Tymal Mills playing for Hobart Hurricanes in today’s game. The oppo feature Head and Jake Lehmann as well as Rashid (khan not Adil sadly).

I’m sure old boys like Finch and Maxwell will be somewhere too.

I think this is the best t20 tournament with a sensible number of teams of decent quality and better scheduling in a dedicated window of the season. I wonder if the test team will play some games when the series ends as warm ups for the one day series?

 
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Dave Morton
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 11:08 AM 

The Bash is excellent, easily the best of the T20 comps.

The Aussies have got it all going for them...Christmas holidays (unlike our August, families with two dollars to rub together do not go abroad), a plethora of big Aussie Rules ovals everywhere, most of the population living in the big cities, and the climate, with warmth and early darkness (though it was cold in Adelaide for the D/N Test). They also have public transport in Oz cities, a system that actually works.

Our mistake is in trying to copy them, when we haven't got the grounds or the weather, and where our population is spread much more homogeneously than in Oz.

I did hear Michael Vaughan complaining that people had told him they would never support a team called Leeds. Nobody has ever said it will be called Leeds, he stated.

Well, Michael, if it's a city-based franchise, and it's based in Leeds, what else would you call it?

 
 
David
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 11:51 AM 

According to a report in the Times the other day "The ECB has decided that, unlike the IPL and BBL, the teams [in the new t20 league] will not be named after either the city, county or venue at which they are based" (Sorry, can't give link as it is behind their paywall)

So what does that leave? Maybe a random animal - would you support the Aardvarks? Or the name of the captain - Rooties Rebels? (Yes, I know Root is unlikely to play) In ancient Rome, the chariot racing teams were just the Blues and the Greens, that might be the simplest solution.

David


 
 
Stu
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 12:56 PM 

So a team will be playng at Headingley, possibly televised, possibly with no Yorkshire players in, called the Tigers (or such similar name), and they expect 1000`s of punters to go and watch the game?? Really, the ECB are in cloud cuckoo land.


    
This message has been edited by StuartRA from IP address 79.69.151.206 on Jan 4, 2018 12:57 PM


 
 
Idle man
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 2:26 PM 

The ECB claim to believe in an entirely new and untapped audience, no previous loyalties, no previous experience, no previous knowledge. Behind this of course, lie the TV companies. Anything they are prepared to pay enough for, the ECB will try to provide, regardless of what it means for the game they have in their custody. The only thing worse than this scheme failing, is it succeeding.

Apparently the ECB have so little faith in their product as it stands, and so little respect for those of us who love it, that they are prepared to endorse just about any version of it which will make quick bucks. I don't know why they want to keep the name of the sport, never mind the teams.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 4:26 PM 

Perhaps the teams will be called something which identifies them with the Clubs which play at the selected venue.
Thus the Leeds based team may well be called Vikings; the Birmingham based team Bears....

Whatever; I won’t be in attendance.

 
 
Remit 1
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 4:35 PM 


A withering and devastating critique, Idle Man.

There’ sonly one thing wrong: it happens to be accurate…

 
 
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 8:44 PM 

Maybe I'm in the minority here but to me sport is so much more interesting when I care who wins. Without team loyalties I do enjoy sport but not to the same extent and would certainly be much less likely to pay to watch it. Surely the ECB need to make people "get behind" one team or another if they are to make it a success?

 
 
AndyNowhere
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 4 2018, 9:38 PM 

Just to say, I will never support Leeds. It evokes no loyalty from me.


 
 
Guest
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 5 2018, 2:56 AM 


"The Bash is excellent, easily the best of the T20 comps.

The Aussies have got it all going for them...Christmas holidays (unlike our August, families with two dollars to rub together do not go abroad), a plethora of big Aussie Rules ovals everywhere, most of the population living in the big cities, and the climate, with warmth and early darkness (though it was cold in Adelaide for the D/N Test). They also have public transport in Oz cities, a system that actually works.

Our mistake is in trying to copy them, when we haven't got the grounds or the weather, and where our population is spread much more homogeneously than in Oz."


Last seasons T20 Blast has seen crowds increase when playing matches in peak summer, something like 17% and an average attendance above 9000, comparable to domestic rugby and league one football. Also Headingley did well to attract a large crowd for the West Indies test match, attendances last seen since South Africa 2012.

Whilst some supporters on the forum are stubbornly against the T20 competition (in some cases not going to matches), the new type of spectator as described exists and have been thoroughly entertained by Yorkshire's brand of t20 cricket despite a disappointing Blast campaign.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 5 2018, 7:24 AM 

Sure Pyrahtechnics. But that's all further argument against the new competition. Unless you share the ECB's view - so they allege - that there's a major audience to tap into which hasn't yet being coming to t20 but will turn up for the franchise based city thing.

I have some sympathy with your annoyance at the most intransigent hostility to t20. I've been to half a dozen and although personally I just don't find it very interesting, of course something bringing in new crowds, particularly the young, is a good thing. The trouble for me is it's forced the competition I really enjoy into April and September.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 5 2018, 1:21 PM 

I think the existing T20 competition is brilliant, although I did prefer the "every Friday night" option and I watch equally all three formats. That fact in itself is a vg reason NOT to bring a franchise based system in.

However, with better marketing from the ECB, the excellent crowds we get with the existing T20 comp. could double. But that is not in the ECB grand plan. It appears that they almost want the existing comp. to be a failure.

At best it will split the crowds attending between the two competitions, meaning that the smaller non-franchised counties could actually recieve less income from gate reciepts than they do currently. A lot of families with kids can only go to the well a certain number of times per year.

 
 
Geoff B
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Bres returns and KP calls time on the BBL

January 7 2018, 7:58 PM 

Our Tim on his way out to replace David Willey at Perth for the rest of the BBL.

As it's on BT sports, which I don't have the BBL, like a large portion of the Ashes, has largely passed me by this year.

KP just fulfilling his commitments and then calling time on his playing career it appears.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 8 2018, 4:52 AM 

Responding to Idle Man and Stu's comments above

It would be interesting to see how a new fanbase is formed for the City based T20. If the teams are international experience orientated, then I suspect the target audience would be those who attend international cricket and bored football fans. The ECB will have an e-mail of those who bought England tickets and target accordingly. I feel the key to City T20 success is if it takes inspiration from PDC Darts, spectators attending matches for entertainment value ahead of results.

If the ECB schedule fixtures correctly - the City Based T20 cricket played in July/August can be played at the same time as County Championship cricket, rather than propose to have a watered down Royal London Cup. That way spin bowling in England can thrive again, red ball skills can be honed in peak summer and outground cricket makes a spectacular comeback.

Personally I am not overly keen on the City Based T20, but it can be a valuable asset as long as it's not at the cost of the county or test game.


 
 
sid
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 8 2018, 1:55 PM 

Stu has expressed my thoughts well, I like T20 and like it as a Friday night event. I like it as a county game. However I'm hugely opposed to franchise cricket.

Lots of issues but a central one is I support Yorkshire county cricket club. I care about their results, they make be happy and rather too often, sad. I just don't care about the outcome of a game between 'made up' teams however good the players are.

To illustrate on Saturday I watched Doncaster Rovers lose in the FA cup third round v Rochdale. This made me sad, we were dreaming of a fourth round day out to a big London club or perhaps Manchester. It wasn't to be. The Rovers aren't a particularly good team, they usually play in the equivalent of the old 3rd or 4th divisions, with the occasional exception they've always been at that level. So why do I go rather than watch say Man City or Chelsea in the wonderful Premier league? Its because I don't care about the outcome when City, Arsenal and Chelsea play. I'd enjoy watching the players on show and visiting new grounds, but the bottom line is I don't care about the result. I have no emotional investment. Watching Chris Gayle hitting a six at Headingley playing for the Leeds whoevers ultimately means nothing to me.

Now if the ECB wants to bring in a 'new' audience, that's fine, but allow me to hate the b******S for destroying something I care very deeply about, county cricket.


    
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Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 8 2018, 10:32 PM 

What we are already seeing in football is fans of top flight teams getting fed up with extortionate prices, the ridiculous transfer fees and mercenaries earning obscene amounts of money without justification. As a result those fans are turning towards lower and non league clubs for their football fix.

This is something the ECB need to be wary if County Cricket is to get overhauled/streamlined to accommodate City T20. If the competition becomes money orientated in terms of salaries, tickets, food, drink and merchandise then those new fans are going to be priced out, especially when matches are played in blocks.

Having a full county programme during City T20 gives spectators and players the best of both worlds. Though I suspect Strauss and Harrison will propose a complete overhaul, which will undo the success made since the Duncan Fletcher era.

 
 

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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 9 2018, 6:53 PM 

As I've said before there is one massive problem with T20. I probably won't be seeing any of this season's matches. Why, you ask. Well the only way I can guarantee getting to Headingley for a 6:30 start is to take half a day's holiday. I'd rather use my days for matches that aren't over before they've begun. Last summer I did see a T20 match. It was played on a Sunday afternoon. There aren't any in 2018

 
 
Guest
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 13 2018, 11:26 AM 

Win for Bressy team today with a couple of wickets for him. He’s replaced Willey but sadly not opening batting too.

Good knock in current game from Joe Denly

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 13 2018, 12:10 PM 

I'm thoroughly enjoying the Big Bash, as I always do. As with many other things (e.g. transport) the Aussies seem to think more clearly than we do.

By contrast, we have a season that is crammed into four months, essentially, bounded by wet and cold at one end, by darkness and cold at the other. I do not believe the Graves/Harrison masterplan makes the best use of time and resources.

What I like about T20 is that the format has challenged players and coaches to be original, to think outside the box. They have discovered abilities which they might not have suspected they had, with benefits to the longer game. And yes, there is a potential new audience out there.

However, the traditional form of the game calls for guts and stamina; it is a war between bowler and batsman, which T20 can never be, a battle of skill and will which only the tough survive. To confine it to the cold margins of the season is criminal, and is taking much joy out of my life.

50 over cricket is the pig in the middle. For me, I would be happy to see it gone forever from the English summer. If we need to develop an international team, then let's have four regional sides (or six franchises) competing in Dubai or Barbados, out of season, England-qualified players only. I might even consider a holiday (in Barbados, not awful Dubai) to combine beach with a bit of keen cricket.

 
 
Kevin Owens
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Re: Bish Bash Bosh

January 13 2018, 8:32 PM 

I see you’ve caught the t20 bug Dave. Will you be taking in a Yorkshire t20 game this Summer? Great to see the older generation finally taking to T20

 
 
 
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