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Ballance dropped

January 10 2018 at 10:40 PM
Geoff B  (Login Coastalview)
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Gary Ballance has been dropped by England and won't be touring New Zealand.

Sorry for him but it does make life easier for Yorkshire to plan for the season.

Livingston, Wood and Stokes replace Ballance, Ball and Tom Curran otherwise as is.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42626494


    
This message has been edited by Coastalview from IP address 2.26.98.39 on Jan 10, 2018 10:41 PM


 
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Martin
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 10 2018, 11:19 PM 

You really do feel that these selectors have lost the plot. It is perfectly reasonable to say that he shouldnt have toured in the first place, that he had been given enough chances etc. But as soon as he was on the plane then he became the reserve batsman throughout the tour. He had two practice matches in which he scored a couple of 50s from memory. What more could he have done and what basis does Livingstone get selected ahead of him?

Ballance has not been treated well by the selectors. Selected when out of form or not back into form. Expected to bat at number three when his captain should be shouldering this responsibility. He will no doubt feel that this is the end of the line, and if it is then a very shoddy way to end someone's career

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 10 2018, 11:44 PM 

To be frank, if Ballance had been exposed to that Aussie pace attack it's unlikely that he would ever gave recovered. Livingstone is a good pick after impressing for the Lions.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 1:29 AM 

For once the ECB have done us a favour by not selecting Gary Ballance for the tour when he would be most likely to be on drinks carrying duty. Gale and Moxon will no doubt be delighted to have the captain involved throughout pre season and starting in the opener against Essex.

Malan has secured his no5 spot, Vince is a century away from playing in the home internationals. Livingstone is probably in the test squad because he can bowl off spin and more likely to replace Moeen.

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 8:18 AM 

Obviously Ballance had to be dropped; he never made a run in Australia! No surprise, Boycs told TMS listeners several days ago.

Livingstone's is a rare talent, but like Malan, Bairstow, Stokes, Ali, etc, he's a number 5 or 6. Vince is still the only option at 3, and there is no reserve opener.

Shambles.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 8:28 AM 

Indeed, it is a shambles. It has not been handled well, but that should not disguise the fact that there is a real problem. In the soon-to-be-with-us post-Cook world, there is no-one nailed on to bat in the first three. Personally I think Stoneman will do a job, but he's hardly a triumph so far.

They must be praying for Hameed to recover. If Alex Lees had maintained form, he'd have had a real chance by now, though I doubt if it would take Lyon more than a couple of overs to remove him.

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 8:58 AM 

Root is an option at three, as is Malan, but there seems to be an innate fear of batting there among English batsmen.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 9:40 AM 

If I was Garry I’d be looking at flipping back to become Zimbabwean based on how England treat him. That wouldn’t be great news for us of course.

Dropped for doing what?

 
 
Lew
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 9:47 AM 

Selfishly for us but also from an England perspective, I am pleased to hear this. He was lucky to get a call up for the Ashes, but considering he has done nothing wrong can feel frustrated to be dropped.

I still feel we are a keeper/batsman short from the right balance, otherwise the team picks itself for me:

Lyth, Lees, Williamson, Balance C, Leaning, WK?, Bresnan, Rashid, Plunkett, Fisher, Coad.

(Brook for Plunkett if with England. If we lose Rashid, I would use a seamer - Willey/Patterson and use Lyth/Williamson as the spare spinner).

Big big seasons for Lees and Leaning. It's time to push on.

From an England angle, Stoneman and Vince are very lucky to keep their places. I suspect they have an eye on Hameed (to open instead of Stoneman), however waiting to see if he has returned to his form of 2016.

Root needs to get a grip and bat 3. I suspect he will stay 4 and Malan will be moved up to 3 (which is quite a scary proposition - He is far more suited to Oz pitches and I fear he may regress in our conditions)

Good to see Livingstone called up - I would have personally liked to see Bairstow bat at 4 and Foakes take the gloves. But I cannot see that happening based on selections.



    
This message has been edited by Lewis_116 from IP address 146.162.240.242 on Jan 11, 2018 9:54 AM


 
 
Stu
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 9:48 AM 

Its a shambles. Ballance does nothing wrong and gets dropped. Vince does nothing right and retains his place!!

On the bright side for Gary and Yorkshire - I suppose coming home and being involved in Yorkshires pre-season training is considerably better than carrying drinks for 2 months in New Zealand.

 
 
Dwight_Schrute
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 10:08 AM 

Feel for Gary but maybe they've seem enough in the nets? (I know it's not the same). Either way more right handers needed so probably best all around.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 10:43 AM 

I like the look of your side, Lew BUT....

Rashid, Plunkett & Willey will not be available from 10/6 to 17/7 (during the ODI`s and International T20`s), and Kane is only here for 7 weeks.

 
 
Lew
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 10:50 AM 

Very true Stu.

I am intrigued who the Kane replacement will be. I thought they may leave Lees at 3 but Kane's signing suggests he will move up to 2.
If they replace with another number 3 (I would imagine Pujara may be an option) then Lees is firmly moved back to opening.

Your point on Plunkett and Rashid is valid. I am less concerned about the seam bowling as we need to invest in Coad and Fisher. That leaves Bresnan and one other...If Plunks is away - Brooks is an able option.

Willey feels like a right off for the season anyway - From a CC perspective.

Rashid is the concern. He was so bit part last year in the CC. Do we look to develop a spinner? Do we try and push along with a Lyth? Surely we can't keep persevering with Rafiq who is a very good limited over bowler.

 
 
Guest
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 12:40 PM 

I was really surprised Ballance was even considered for the ashes squad, I just don’t think he is up to the level and maybe the coaches have decided that just watching him in the nets. I can’t believe Vince has been kept on, just looks mentally weak to me, and I would have liked a back up opening batter in to put some pressure on Stoneman.

For the comments on Livingstone, he has averaged over 48, batting 3 for lancs in over 50 inngs, so he is maybe someone they are looking to bat at 3 for England.

 
 
Stu
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 12:49 PM 

Lew --- This thread, on our forum, suggest that we can forget Willey also for most of the season. He is aiming to bcome a "white-ball specialist and just play in various T20 comps.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/274761/thread/1513979290/last-1514104325/David+Willey

 
 
Seadog73
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 2:50 PM 

June/July is a long way off, Stu. Those three are England regulars now but a lot can happen in six months.

 
 
Idle man
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 3:30 PM 

There was more of a case for saying Gary should not have gone to Oz than there is for leaving him out now. The trouble is if you don’t make the first test these days a tourist has precious little chance to stake his claim. He relies on an abject run from someone else, and Vince did just enough to hold his place by the skin of his teeth.

As far as our line up is concerned, as ever so much depends on availability. It also depends on the form of Rashid and Bresnan with the bat. They should be capable of good contributions at 6 and 7 - they’ve both made them before. Indeed such is Rashid’s somewhat fragile personality that when sent in at 8, he bats like a number 8. On the other hand in 2013, with little cause for doing so, we sent him in at no 6 and he promptly scored 3 centuries in the next 3 games. If he and Tim bat well then Hodd is a strong no 8, and a better keeper than any batsman keeper we could sign. If this doesn’t happen and we have to push Hodd up to 6, then we’re in trouble.

We moan about the coaching set up a lot, but I do think they face some very difficult judgements..

 
 

Dave Morton
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 11 2018, 4:29 PM 

I don't think it will have gone unnoticed that Fisher is also a most accomplished batsman. With Lyth, Lees, Williamson, Ballance and Leaning at the top (plus Brook and K-Cadmore in reserve); then Bresnan, Rashid, Hodd, Fisher, in whatever order, batting should not be a major problem. Patto, Plunkett, Coad and Brooks are all decent, as well. So too Carver, a gutsy performer.

The attack looks a bit 'samey' - if no Plunkett (unfit, unavailable or unselected) the others are all around 80 mph, if that. If no Rashid, there's no viable CC alternative; Rafiq fine for the white ball stuff.

We'll be fine. You read it here first. Big season coming up: Fisher to break through, big time; Lyth, Lees, Bresnan, Rashid, Patterson, Brooks all back to form; Ballance unencumbered by silly England; more of the same from Coad. Get out the blue and yellow ribbons for that trophy, I hope you're keeping it polished, Essex.

 
 
Pyrahtechnics
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 12 2018, 8:31 AM 

David Willey seems to be a forgotten man when it comes to player availability, after all he is Sidebottom's replacement and should start against Essex if fit.

Title talk seems too optimistic given the longer term batting woes, but as long as Yorkshire are involved in an exciting end to a County Championship title finale i'll be satisfied.

With the bowlers at disposal early season, it would be great if Andy Fogarty can create a wicket with some extra pace to assist Brooks and Plunkett.

 
 
Lew
(Login Lewis_116)
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Re: Ballance dropped

January 12 2018, 9:52 AM 

Dave - Is Fisher not faster? I thought Coad was around late 70's and was more line and length whereas Fisher was 82-85 with genuine pace?

Regarding this poin, I fully agree:

"Indeed such is Rashid’s somewhat fragile personality that when sent in at 8, he bats like a number 8. On the other hand in 2013, with little cause for doing so, we sent him in at no 6 and he promptly scored 3 centuries in the next 3 games."

 
 
 
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