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Promoting Amateur Radio

by Walt

Even more reason to allow Tech class operators to
have access to HF frequencies. A small number of
older operators will protest this but like you
said it does not matter. The majority of the hams
should have some say in their operations. I don't
believe, as you do, that HF is dead, or dying. You don't quote any sources of statistics that prove that
home networks are killing HF, *yet*. While antenna restrictions impact operating habits you show no sources of statistics that prove that antenna restrictions will kill HF operations. You only postulate what *you* believe will happen in the future. As far as the magic of radio is concerned, I still see amazement and awe in very young people who experience amateur DX communications. Children from ages 5 to 13 seem to be genuinely interested to radio when exposed to it. I believe HF and all the other frequencies of Ham Radio can remain viable in the future. The key is basically new blood. We codgers must go out and compete with the internet and other modern wonders of technology. We've got to get to kids at a very young age and set up support groups to help those who want to learn. These groups already exist. Radio clubs. Each club must make recruiting youngsters priority number one. These techs when given their new HF priviledges could be the infusion of new blood needed to ramrod this youth recruitment drive. I believe that you're right about attitude. Our attitude to newcomers will determine our future.

Posted on Sep 7, 1999, 10:04 PM
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Promoting Amateur Radio

by LWLONGBOW

Do we really need to get to the kids on Amateur Radio, or do they need to get to their School Books and Education? I hope that we can get to the kids early on and introduce them to the most important things of life, and Amateur Radio is not one of them. Remember it's just a hobby! My grandson for example, he is (9) years old and to be such a privileged kid with all the Amateur Radio equiptment at his disposal that anyone could ever dream of having was also in awe, but it didn't last. When I saw his interest begin to fade I wasn't surprised. Brandi (my Grandson) says to me, Grandpa radio is ok! but his little friend who lives in Florida don't have a radio and i can't call him. But he has one of these, and one of these (a cell phone and a pager)so I can contact him anytime I want. Well so much for an introduction to Amateur Radio. In this day of high powered computers with Color Graphics, Realtime cinema, Internet Phone and other high tech goodies, just to name a few, kids will make their own choices and insofar as hobbies go they will define their own directions. Kids are not going to save Amateur Radio. At this point and time if the FCC don't re-define their direction it's (honntae) to Amateur Radio. Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 3:10 AM
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You can't compete against the Internet and I don't think you should compete against the Internet. The only reason kids are interested in computer technology is that they have been exposed to computer technology. Expose them to amateur radio, and they will be interested in amateur radio. Foster that growth through clubs and service events and they will naturally want to experience more. There is a certain fallacy in believing that you need open HF in order to attract youngsters. Kids will want to use the radio to communicate to other kids.

A tech license and an inexpensive HT is all they need. Today you can buy HT's for about the same price as a cell phone, plus there's no fees. If you get kids involved that way, then you will have a powerful force that can be mobilized for the public good. Teenagers love to volunteer, in fact many schools are now requiring volunteerism as part of the curriculumn. Get them involved in radio and they can use those skills to be better citizens.

Michael Martens

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 6:56 AM
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Promoting Amateur Radio

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In reading the threads in this topic, I found myself thinking if the day comes when Amateur Radio is no more. Every ham racing to the microphone and telegraph key to communicate one last time as the deadline set by FCC reaches near the final end. What a scary thought.

Since the age of 15, I have been a Technician+ for 11 years. I find 10 Meters Voice to be my favorite band because it is so much like fishing. You never know who and where you will reach. I feel ham radio is a hobby that provides community service in times of need.

It is a fact, without promoting ham radio it will perish. The Internet has grabbed a lot of interest, but I think ham radio is still cool, too. Sharing the enjoyment and the friendships that can come from ham radio is the best promotion that will reward success. Appreciated Ham Radio Operators donating their time and
gear to local clubs will yield a new generation of ham radio operators that can continue our cause.

I know I have been slack in promoting ham radio, but I think it is time for myself to promote it more to ensure a growth of friendly voices in the air.

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 12:22 PM
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Promoting Ham Radio

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I have to agree with the statements that say that amateur radio and the Internet can and should co-exist. I, for one, don't think that the 'net really is the _main_ drag on ham radio membership. Rather, I think ham radio does a good job of demonstrating why you wouldn't want to be a ham, and from there, people look into other choices for their personal communications...whether that's the Internet, cellphones, FRS, CB, pagers, whatever. Think this isn't true? Well...just try hyping someone up on this communications medium and then have them stumble across some of the more disruptive activities that go on all too often on HF phone. Or let them go and take their Tech test and get sneered down the nose by a bunch of 1x2-ers for becoming one of those inferior 'no-code' rabble. Great promo, gang. Go play in traffic, now...

Fact, yes, the Internet has all the flash, glitz, and frenzy of your basic Hollywood production. But as for it being this be-all-end-all medium? Uh...nah, I somehow don't think so. I and a lot of other people I know of who've been on the net since before the 'Information Superhighway' hype explosion tend to look at the current flavor the 'net has as being 'CB for the 90s''. Maybe stretch that a bit into the next few years in the '00s, but the idea remains the same: a fad, folks. A trend. The latest buzz-box for personal kixxx 'n' thrillz. There _are_ real resources to this, yes, and I'm aware of that. And when the furor dies down over how newwildbitchincoolcrazy the Internet is, then maybe people will get around to using those, thereby getting the lumpen majority out there to go and find some other new self-amusement. Maybe it'll be ham radio. Maybe it'll be HDTV, Maybe it'll be the thrill of self-induced laser pointer retinal burns. Who cares? But rest assured, it _will_ occur.

As for the meat of the discussion, amateur radio itself, though...well, methinks we need to be a little more savvy about what _we need to do_...as opposed to finding great new things to scapegoat on. Any moron can find excuses. Takes sharp people...and I would _assume_ that if you have your ticket, you'd like to be considered as such, right?...to come up with solutions.

One great one, I think, was SAREX. Now, you want to demonstrate something ultra10Xpluscool? Sure, you hook up some boxes and communicate direct with the space shuttle. And you do this for kids, who'll pick up on how nifty this is (some of them, at least...some these days don't pick up on much, and this should always be kept in mind; there's no point in trying to talk to a stone, you will only wear out your larynx), and then maybe they'll look into this ham radio biz. And when they do, you'd better hope their first trip isn't down to one of Riley's Least Fave crus down there on 75, nosah! No hyperkeen whatever will save ham radio's fanny when they get an earful of that spewage! Anyway, this is all moot since, apparently, SAREX is out the window. Sigh... Anyway, the point about the ill behavior still applies.

But you don't have to cuss up a blue streak to offend people. Nope! Hey, you can do that in other subtile ways. Let's say you're a boatanchor buff (this next thing is real, btw). You're really into your old rigs. And you want to show off these classics from the 1940-60s...great, fantastic mint pieces. How do you do this? Well, go to a hamfest. All well enough so far. Then you set these up on a table with some spec sheets. Ooookay. Now..._make sure_ that you don't have these powered up, stick signs all over them that rudely say in scrawly letters "NOT FOR SALE", don't show what's up with _any_ of this stuff, and be sure to make the whole thing appear to be more or less equivalent with something like a 'look how big my...uh, ahem is' display. Well, you get the idea. Does this turn anyone on to the kick that classic ham rigs are? Probably not. It might be a kick for those who appreciate the old stuff, but for most new hams, they just look at this non-working, slightly-hostile display and go 'whassup with this _old crap_?'

Anyway, that's one example of how ham operators do such a kickin' job of MISrepresenting the service. If you're going to do something to promote your fave aspect of amateur radio, and you're going to do it in a forum where other people are supposed to check it out, then THINK before you LEAP. You should be asking: "What will new hams think of this if I do it this way? What will non-hams think? How can I do this _effectively_ for these people?" And booyaka, if you're not thinking of that last one, if you're not thinking how you can represent well to those who some hams who should probably quit view as the 'peons', then you shouldn't even try doing what you thought of. Leave the 75A in the closet where you can dig it on your lonesome.

You can make us all look good if you just use your noodles out there, folksies. You should be looking at how you can do so as being one of the things you bought into when you got that ticket, in fact, considering the way things are right now. If you can't, leave, because if that's the case, you're likely not getting anything out of your involvement in the amateur service. There's a lot in here that people would enjoy _if_ they knew about it. But if you can't find anything you enjoy well enough to present it well, then that's the time to put the mike down, set the key aside, and take those antennas down. We need people who'll be propelling amateur radio forward as the next century goes onward...not holding it back, not making it look tired, worn-out, and like a 4th-rate cousin to other personal communications media out there. Look at it as just another change in the changing face of ham radio.

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 5:48 PM
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a brighter side

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I took elements 2 and 3A on Aug. 21st (yep, just a few weeks ago), and passed with flying colors. So the next day I decided to check out my first hamfest (in St. Charles, MO). I showed up early that morning, took a look around and saw that they were offering a how to on slow scan tv (I think that's what it was called). It looked interesting, and I have a little CCTV experience from my days in the Navy, so i decided to attend. It was pretty informative, but towards the end something happened that I didn't expect.....we were asked to give our call sign, years as a ham, and interests. I was somewhere in the middle of the group, and as more and more people were giving their bio's it hit me.......what was I going to say??? So I said all I could...My name is Joel, I just passed my tests for a tech no-code license...yesterday, I don't even have a call sign yet, and i'm just here to check out the different aspects of ham radio. A few moments later the room broke out in applause, and they said "hey, with that no-code license you can do sstv." Needless to say, I was not expecting that, and let me tell you, that is THE way to make someone feel welcome.

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 7:50 PM
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Wonderful story!

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Joel,
Congratulations on joining on ham radio - I am really pleased to hear of the enthusiastic response you received from others. That is exactly the way it should be.

What excites me right now is that the Tech class is growing - which means that there are people interested in ham radio, in spite of all the naysaying and fears of our being replaced by new technologies and interests. People are still interested in what we do! Stay focused on that!

Their interests may be different than what got each of us interested in ham radio 60, or 40, or 20 or 10 years ago - regardless, there is something about ham radio that has hooked the newcomers interest.

This is what we all need to focus on - the "new" ham radio is alive and well. I truly believe that recognizing and accepting the changes that have gone on around us - and the changes that are happening in ham radio too - are the keys to an exciting future for ham radio.

But if we dwell on how ham radio today "just isn't the same as it used to be", we will crumble under bad attitudes and ill feelings. Ham radio *is changing* and will remain a part of our 21st century landscape. These are exciting times.

73 and best of luck,
Ed, KF7VY

Posted on Sep 9, 1999, 8:13 AM
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A Response to Promoting Ham Radio

by Anonymous

Like all things everything and everyone has it's time. Amateur Radios time has come and almost gone and it will go as we know it. The Titanic sank almost (100) years ago. do we need another Maritime disaster to justify the use of old Mr. CW Morse? Mabe we need to contrive someting. last week I believe there was an article in the Wall Street Journal about a boat sinking in the North Atlantic, well I think the writer stated that the two men onboard the sinking vessel used a Laptop Computer and E-mail to call for help. Now that was noteworthy. You are probably one of those who are saying why couldn't they have used Old Mr. CW Morse, thats just what we need to Promote Amateur Radio. Anyway! your article has some good points that would have been great (30) thirty years ago, but it's time has come and gone. Your Article really says a lot of nothing. The only thing that's going to Promote Ham Radio is change itself, and that's what we all fear most. Let it change, there is one thing sure we will all come and go and when we are gone what the hell could it matter anyway. honntae, LWLongbow Seven Three P.S Mr. CW Morse is trying to board that train that will take him to the Washington D.C smithsonian so he can receive his (Immortality) in history. (honntae pocoloosa) Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 9, 1999, 8:45 AM
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A Response to Promoting Amateur Radio

by LWLongbow

We don't really believe that now do we? someone has grossly misinformed you about recruiting kids into Amateur Radio. The Question is why do you or anyone else have to go after kids to try and force an archaic technogoly upon them. Sure sounds like desperation to me. If there was such an urgency to learn Amateur radio then schools all across the country with the aid of the Government would have instituted programs to continue the growth of Amateur Radio among the young. Again kids will defind their own direction insofar as hobbies are concerned. I saw a movie once where the neighborhood Drug Kingpin explained to his pushers, and I "quote" we need to go out and get them while they are young so we can insure a strong customer base for the future of our business. Although we are not comparing the two it sure sounds to me like you are suggesting we go after the kids to insure Amateur Radios growth in numbers alone to save Amateur Radio. The FCC has already tried that by easing the rules to create a NoCode Tech License and that didn,t work, so what makes you think that teaching them (the kids) CW is going to change anything further? Don't look at children as if they are just another number to insure the continuation of an obselete technology. On the question of Cell phones who told you anyone had to pay for a Cell Phone? last time i looked Cell Phones was free with a service connection fee. HT's, as far as those are concerned they are the Life Blood of Amateur Radio. Some Amateur Radio retail outlets have reported that HT's are 80% of their Amateur sales and if it was not for the commerical retail sales they would be out of business.I just want to address a few more of your issues briefly, you can't compare exposure to Amateur Radios as the same thing with computers, come on be real!! there is not an HT or base station sitting on every tabletop in America. But you might find a computer there. An (HT is all they need?)a Cell Phone, a Pager and a Computer is also needed! How about my Kachina 505DSP Computer-Controlled HF Transceiver. Now that might get the kids interested. Anyway that HF Radio sitting on the desk in your shack (which resembles a Computer controlled Drill Press) will soon be history, some of the big (3) manufacturers of Amateur Radio equiptment don't even make them any more. Whatever models are in the pipeline, when those radios are sold you can say (honntae)to stand alone Rigs and hello to KACHINA. The Public Good? who elected or appointed you to decide what is best for the Public Good? I think we need a Cell Phone or a Laptop Computer. Mobilizing Forces? Organizing groups, thats been tried on a national scale with Police Departments Schools ect. most have disappeared because of lack of interest. It's ok to introduce kids to communications but otherwise leave our kids alone they will choose their own [HOBBIES] So Long CW Farewell Amateur Radio Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 8:02 PM
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Promoting amateur radio

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Amateur radio is far from an archaic technology. Kids are geniunely interested in communicating with their peers and if amateur radio is an option available to them, they will embrace it.

I never said that we should be teaching morse code or even amateur radios. But kids definetly need constructive activities these days. The No Code Tech is the perfect way to get them started. Instead of looking at kids to fill the HF spectrum, we should look upwards towards the future of amateur radio. VHF, UHF, EHF and up are all available to Tech class license holders. SSTV, ATV, and the vast array of digital modes work great in these bands.

Cell phones may be free with service, but what does the service cost? $20.00 - $50.00 A MONTH. Whats the cost of a simple HT: $99.00. That HT will get you all around town with a good repeater and you can talk for free (or at the most a nominal cost to join the repeater group).

You're right in saying that we don't need amateur radio taught in the schools. We don't need computers in the schools either. Kids can learn on their own at home. You don't need a computer to teach math, science, history, english. The way computers are used in many schools today is terrible. At best they're teaching typing skills and at worst nothing more than a babysitter. You don't need the internet to do research, that's what a library is for. Oh yeah, i forgot, schools stopped funding their libraries so that they could put computers in the classrooms.

Kids with radios would probably be the best thing to happen to amateur radio as it would force the closed minded individuals out of the service.

Michael


Posted on Sep 10, 1999, 9:59 AM
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Statistics on home telephone-based computer networks and HF

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I have personally tested telephone-wiring computer based networks. They emit awful noise - which is not a surprise since they operate right across the 40 meter band.

Two months after home telephone based computer networking products were introduced early this year, they achieved a 24% marketshare (as of last May - source was CNet News). Industry market researchers, depending on who you read, say that 50% to 70% of all home computer networks will be based on the telephone wiring based model.

Unfortunately I do not have the exact estimates and sources in my hands as I write this from memory - so, from memory, I believe we are now at about 30 million homes having 2 or more computers in the home. I saw an estimate that guessed out just a few years (2004?) that just over half of all homes would have 2 or more computers. Other reports have shown that most users who have 2 or more computer will choose to network them together within something like 6 months of acquiring the 2nd system. Further, there are a lot of new products coming out soon that tie together all sorts of consumer electronics into home networks, making it easier to send your cable or satellite TV signals to multiple TVs, to route audio from a stereo to other speaker locations, and much more.

So, let's assume that in 2004 there are approximately 60 million homes (half of homes in U.S.) with 2 or more computers, and 50% of them (using the lower of the estimates) or 30 million have a telephone based home network. That works out to 1 out of every 4 homes. In reality, the installation of home networks is not going to be uniformly distributed because wealthier areas are more likely to have multiple computers than poor areas. Further, I would hypothesize that the demographics of ham operators are more likely to place them in neighborhoods with computer owners. Regardless, using the estimate of 1 in 4 homes down the street having HF noise generators is going to be a serious problem.

The facts:
a. multiple PCs in homes are occuring; this is a fact and its growing explosively. Numerous new non-PC products will be forthcoming that leverage home network technology to distribute information around the home.
b. once multiple PCs are installed, there is a huge desire to network them together. This is a fact.
c. a huge driving force behind multiple PCs is the Internet, followed by (slow) deployments of fast Internet access (which is a big driver of home networks).
c. the fastest growing home networking technology is now based upon home telephone wiring and spews emissions across the HF band. In about 2 months, this technology went from 0% market share to 24% marketshare! It is unknown, of course, where this will go in the future. It could increase or decrease. Some argue that home users will opt for wireless networks instead of wired networks. Also, version 2 of the spec *may* make things better since in version 2 there will be some attenuation on the digital signals occuring in the Amateur HF allocations. It is critical that we address this interference problem BEFORE there are 30 million installations.

The trend is overwhelmingly pointing to an HF noise problem that is far, far more troubling than anything we have ever dealt with in the past. It cannot be taken out with a noise blanker or DSP. You can hear a sample of what it sounds like via a link off of the RFI information page, linked to from our front page.

Intel, Microsoft, AT&T, Compaq and other manufacturers have invested directly in the companies who are building this technology. Version 2 of the home phone networking spec is nearing finalization and will utilize a broader swath of spectrum somewhere in the 2 to 30 Mhz range.

There are major market forces pushing home telephone line based networking into all kinds of dwelling units. Please read the material on the RFI page to better understand this situation.

Ed, KF7VY

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 5:31 PM
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More References on Home phone networking

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I want to make perfectly clear that my comments about home phone line networking are based on personal experience and knowledge of the technology, direct contact with persons working at the companies pushing these technologies, news reports and market research numbers. In short, a heck of lot of facts.

Contrary to your assertion that I have not cited statistics, PLEASE look at the data on the RFI page. You can find a link to this page in the "Opinion" section at the bottom of the main page of the web site. Ample references are located right there. Also see "The Death of HF?" opinion column in the "Opinions" section.

We must not stick our heads in the ground and ignore what is going on all around us. Ignorance is what will kill ham radio and nothing else. I believe that ham radio SHOULD flourish in the coming years - as I have stated many times, we combine all the magic elements of communications, computing, technology for the 21st century. This is an exciting time.

Yes, home computer networks are not causing a lot of HF inteference right this minute. However, it would be foolish and naive to ignore the overwhelming data pointing to explosive growth in this market category. My article addresses both current *and* future issues that we must be addressing. I just crunched some numbers from one market researcher and they estimate 14 million home phone line units TO BE SOLD in the year 2003. Do not underestimate what this means - these are INTENSE HF transmitter/noise makers unlike anything you've ever dealt with.

Consider that in May of this year, the market for all home computer networks sold was 250,000 (of which 22.1%, right out of the starting gate, are home phone line networks). Trend that out, flatline, to 3 million home units this year. (*Actual sales are increasing, so the total sold this year will be larger and much larger next year*)

References:
Home phone line networking becomes a top seller (22.1% marketshare), as it explodes out of the starting gate. Cahners-in-Stat Group, quoted in the article, estimates 50 to 70% marketshare for home phone line based technology.
See http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-344753.html

See
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2288914,00.html?chkpt=zdnnstop
describing Microsoft technology to link home consumer electronics using computer networking, especially phone line networking technology.
See related article at
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-339304.html?tag=st.cn.1fd2.

See
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-338696.html?tag=st.cn.1fd2.
to learn a little about powerline networking. Yes, this is modulating data signals at HF over home AC wiring. Yechhhh.

See
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-345358.html?tag=st.cn.1fd2.
to learn about future directions (to 30 Mbps) of home phone line networking. This means more complex modulation and greater use of 2-30 Mhz signalling.

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POWER SUPPLY WANTED

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I am looking for a power supply to operate my Yeasu 757 HF rig and my Alinco DR605TQ 2m/440 radio. Please send me an e-mail if you can help me out.

Posted on Sep 7, 1999, 9:40 PM
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module for ft 726 r

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this is kc5nob in south tx , i am looking for a 2 meter module for a ft 726 r or any module up to the ssb portion of 70 cm you can reach me at :
sward@vsta.com or telephone me at 361-384-0330 any evening after 6:00 pm .


thanks john

KC5NOB

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A response to promoting Amateur Radio

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To quickly respond to the article by, Ed Mitchell, KF7VY. He says there is no growth in the amateur ranks. Yet he states that there are more Technicians than ever, they exceed all the other license classes making them (I'm grasping here, but, this is where it sounds like he's going) a majority. Of course there are, the higher class of license is supposed to be harder to achive, that's why it's a higher license class.

Now let's talk about change. Change for the sake of change is not a reason to change. Everyone thinks they know what's best for the next man. This problem extends all the way to the top of the Government food chain.

If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Have a nice day, Dan KF6A...

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Good news it that Tech class is growing!

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I think you missed the 2nd bullet point at the start of the article, where I noted that it is GOOD NEWS that the Technician class is growing by 3.6% per year.
"* Technician class licensees (VHF/UHF centric) now exceed the combined total of General, Advanced and Extra class licensees (HF-centric).
* The good news is that number of Technician class licensees is growing at 3.6% per year! The bad news is that the number of Novice, General and Advanced class licenses is dropping (there is a small increase in Extra class licensees); "

And you do not have to guess where I'm going with this since the conclusion is stated in the first bullet point of the article!

I pointed out that this growth in the Tech class license is occuring, even without any marketing or promotion of ham radio at all - this is, in my view, GREAT NEWS, because it means that there are growth opportunities for Amateur radio and that there remains interest in ham radio inspite of all the naysaying. This is fantastic news.

The next part of the equation is that the combined HF license classes are shrinking, and shrinking at a pretty fast rate. In addition to the U.S. data shown in the article, I have seen similar numbers from Japan, the U.K., and there is another post here from Italy noting the same thing is happening there.

Amateur radio exists within what marketing people call a macroenvironment or "external factors" - all stuff that happens outside of us and which is, typically, beyond our control. These factors including social, cultural, technological, legal, political, competitive reasons and more. We can, roughly, control the properties of our own Amateur service but we cannot control the larger "external factors" of society.

"The reality of the marketplace is that Amateur Radio just became a VHF/UHF centric radio service. There is little we can - or should - do to halt this progression. This is the natural progression of technology changes, our growing population, increasing home prices, small lots, antenna restrictions, a rising noise level at HF, and changes in lifestyles. Like it or not, this is the real world, and we cannot change these real world attributes. "

I noted in the article that unfortunately, none of the license restructuring proposals recognize that these fundamental changes have occured, outside of our control. The result remains an HF centric licensing system.

Some propose to lower standards, thinking that this will create more HF capable operators. I argue that its problems associated with operating HF, not the standards, that are the issue. I say that the problem is we primarily describe ourselves as an HF service (which we *were*), when that is no longer an accurate description. We have a big disconnect between what we ARE today and how we envision ourselves in terms of our continued focus on HF operation. And I'll say it again - the reason for the decline of HF operating has to do with "external factors" that are beyond our control.

While I do advocate a changing of standards, as necessary to meet real world requirements for why we exist, I do not and have not advocated a lowering of standards.

Ed, KF7VY

Posted on Sep 7, 1999, 10:49 AM
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by Dan

I believe, no, I know, that the reason the ARRL and others are pushing for a "License Class Restructure" is because there are more "Techs" than the rest. There's nothing wrong with being a tech. I used to be one.

The ARRL is trying to get more members and since there are more tech's, they are trying to appeal to them by lowering testing standards. Yes, a reduction in the cw speed requirement, or complety doing away with cw as a requirement, IS a lowering of standard.

I wont lie. The cw requirement has kept a lot of good and bad hams from upgrading, it kept me at Technician for a while too. Just because a vocal few, whether majority or minority, want a change, is not a reson to change.

I don't see what HFcentric or vhfcentric has to do with anything. I am an Extra and spend lots of time on the VHF bands. Probably MOST of my time there.

The testing requirements are not outdated, silly, HFcentric, too hard, or broken. All it takes is a little persistance. If you fail, try try again. Stop whining and just do it.

My argument is simple. It aint broke...And if it aint broke, don't fix it.

Have a nice day, Dan KF6A...

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re: "it ain't broke"??

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You wrote "It ain't broke"... could you explain what that means?

The number of hams in Japan, the U.K., and Italy, is decreasing. The number of hams in the U.S. is stagnant (and Novice+General+Advanced class licensees in the U.S. are decreasing).

I'm having trouble understanding what "ain't broke" means in this context. Does this mean that a decreasing number of amateur radio operators is a good thing? Instead of promoting amateur radio we should launch a de-marketing campaign to discourage people from becoming hams?

Ed

Posted on Sep 10, 1999, 8:44 PM
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by Dan

Jeez. Answering a question with a question, hmmm... Aint broke means exactly what it says. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.

Does your car get you where you need it with no problems? Then "It aint broke". There is nothing wrong with the licensing requirements for US hams. It aint broke. <-----Context.

The only reason I ever hear for doing away with the morse code requirement, is, what is it good for why do I have to know it, I don't want to know it, etc., whining etc.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to figure out that, I don't want to (learn cw), cry cry, sounds like a little kid throwing a fit.

What does changing the licensing requirements have to do with promoting amateur radio? I have never heard, seen or read anything anywhere that says how easy it is to get a technician license (and no, it's not called a no-code ticket). I was licensed in 1993 and still, to this day haven't seen any major advertisement about how EASY it is to get a Tech ticket. I sure wasn't snagged or enticed from the CB to get my tech license by an advertisement. Where's the marketing? Not on CBS, NBC, etc. Not in the LA Times. Where? QST? CQ? CQVHF? Doesn't count. Those are ham rags. What will happen if we make the extra ticket as easy as a tech? I'll tell you.

All existing hams will run down to their local VEC and pay $6.50 and become extra's.

Why bother restructuring at all. Let's follow in the footsteps of our Liberal brothers and just make it a big free-for-all, like graduating EVERYONE from high school whether or not you can spell "IT" let alone read what I just typed. Hidden under the guise that it's not fair or I just don't want to or we don't want Johnny to grow up feeling like an underachiever. Cause to quote Slick Willy, "I feel your pain"! Waaaa!

You can quote statistics all you want. The chances of someone winning the lottery is pretty darn slim as is someone dying while skydiving, but, it can happen. Tell the person that wins $30million in whatever lottery that he can't have it because statistically he can't win. Statistics don't tell the whole story.

Doomsaying seems to be the way of the world nowadays. Knee jerk reactions based on un-facts, half-facts and un-truths(read lies). If it isn't global warming today, it's global cooling tomorrow. If it's not that then DDT or alar will kill us all. Poppycock.

Sounds like the new reason to change ham licensing is because the sky is falling...

The sky isn't falling and the world is not going to come to an end.

Let's see or at least hear some idea's and advertisements for promoting Amateur Radio BEFORE we consider tampering with what exists NOW.

It still aint broke.

Have a nice day, Dan KF6A...

Posted on Sep 10, 1999, 10:16 PM
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by LWLongbow

Don't waste your breath, Amateur Radio! it's going to CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE and CHANGE and it's going to CHANGE because it can be CHANGED. A word on WHINING, I think Everyone has something to say so let's listen to them. All to often our Children turn to [Drugs] and then [Suicide] because we are not listening to them. You see it's a bad thing to have a one track mind. Your opinion sounds as if what you are saying about Amateur Radio is, (No matter what I say I am always right)I think a dictator in Germany used that phrase in the 30s, He said it was (It's for the good of Germany). Well you should know the rest. Your phrase seems to indicate the same thing about Amateur Radio. (It's for the good of Amateur Radio). Our Ex President Ronald Regan busted Pat-Co and thru out the Air Traffic Controllers. Insofar as some of us were concerned that may not have been a good thing, but it did institute CHANGE. Throw!!! the Rascales out. In Amateur Radio we don't have to Throw anybody out because Father Time will take care of all the Old (FARTZZZ) So let's talk about change that's going to intergrate Amateur Radio with the New Technology and the Inter-net.. so everyone in Wide Wide World will be an Ham Radio Operator. Yes we are going to Promote Amateur Radio Alright, and that's going to be by way of DRASTIC CHANGE. And last but not least my Grandson should be a Comedian some day. He says, Grandpa do you know how to Identify an Old (FARTZZZ) no, how do you do that? (By his Call Sign) Honntae Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 11, 1999, 3:21 AM
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Recruit those who want to be recruited

by KF4LYH

What I have learn over the three years that I have been a Ham Radio operator, that as ham radio operators it is the challange of communicating with someone in a distant country instead of chatting with them on the internet. Regaurdless of where I chat in the world I am doing it with no skill what so ever. I didn't construct an antenna, and figure what countries I would have the easiest time contacting. Then measuring looking at the propagation, and see who I would have the best time making a contact with. It is that which makes Ham Radio exciting, special, unique, and outstanding.

I can make a CW rig using an old TV. You dont see Internet or Cell Phone users doing that. And it is that thrill of sending a call out with CW, and hearing someone over in California responding.

I am only 16 years old, and also am a frequent user of AOL Instant Messenger, and get on YAHOO, and PEEPS Republic chat on a weekly basis. And I have learned that there is many exciting things from the hobby that the internet could not possibly duplicate.

So the moral of this story kiddies is, you open a Ham Radio Club at maybe a local High School, and stress not in a way that it would be a competition to the Net, but as something that is truly different from the net. A way to get away from the advanced technology, that major companies have put out for us to turn on, and use. Ham Radio is a hobby that allows someone who is a non-professional EXPEREMENT with the science of Radio.

I don't know what else to say,
73's Everyone,
KF4LYH

Posted on Sep 11, 1999, 12:51 PM
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A Response to the Uncruited

by LWLongbow

Well, Well, Well, Well how nice of you to want to build something. You sound like a nice kid and I am Proud of you for wanting to take time out to build Radio,s from old scrap TV's and other Junk. Son! there is nothing wrong with being Industrious except that some people like to build Old Model T's and most other people don't. My Grandson says he don't want to build any Radio he don't like Amateur Radio and he don't want to talk on Amateur Radio. My Grandson has Cell Phone, Pager and Computer among other things. He don't want learn CW and anyway he has more Ham Radio Equiptment at his disposal than most Ham Radio Operators would have at theirs in (5) life times. Anyway I respect his thoughts on Amateur Radio. He don't like Ham Radio at all. My Grandson has what he want so I am happy, if he is. He has Cell Phone, he want talk now, he don't want have to worry about static, noise and poor Band Conditions. Ok it's nice to know that you and my Grandson have minds of your own. Have fun. So Long CW Farewell Amateur Radio. (Honntae) Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 11, 1999, 10:20 PM
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The CW Elite...

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Dan KF6A wrote: "The only reason I ever hear for doing away with the morse code requirement, is, what is it good for why do I have to know it, I don't want to know it, etc., whining etc.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon to figure out that, I don't want to (learn cw), cry cry, sounds like a little kid throwing a fit."

There was a time when I respected the effort necessary to learn CW and even thought about learning it down the road to upgrade my ticket. No more. Now I join the ranks of those who look to the future and say that it's about time the obsolete CW elite is deposed. If the discipline of computer programming were administered as ham tickets are, every computer science major would have to demonstrate the ability to toggle the input switches of the ENIAC and hit the enter button VERY RAPIDLY as his or her entry into the higher ranks of computer access. Makes little sense. I don't respect your attitude, sir, nor the attitude of any other antiquated coder who tells me I must demonstrate the ability to slap an on-off switch rapidly to get a ticket upgrade. CW's time is over. Ticket upgrades should be administered on the basis of increased knowledge of technical, operational, and legal standards. Not on how fast you can encode and decode "dits" and "dahs." A stupid piece of silicon can be programmed to do that. Human beings should be held to truly "higher standards." Tests will still be necessary to upgrade, nothing will be handed out for free as you imply. I'm looking forward to restructuring and the demise of the Nineteenth century code. It was useful for telegraphy and had it's place in radio history. But its time is over.

Posted on Sep 11, 1999, 11:22 PM
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A Reponse to Respond

by LWLongbow

A'men Brother: A very, very Intelligent Rebuttal. KF6A has been Smelling his "EXTRA" (FARTZZZ) to long. He needs to open the windows in his Shack and let the Old Stale (FARTZZZ) Air Out. It's safe! no one is going to steal your Ham Radio Equiptment, the World is Changing and you are going to get left behind. So Long CW Farewell Amateur Radio. (Honntae) Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 12, 1999, 1:12 PM
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It might not be broke, but it doesn't work that way, either!

by DAC / KB9TKS

Dan, KF6A, writes:

"What will happen if we make the extra ticket as easy as a tech? I'll tell you. All existing hams will run down to their local VEC and pay $6.50 and become extra's."

Oh, give me a break.

I don't think anyone here is advocating turning the Extra Class into an 11-meter-style freeforall. Enough kneejerking, awreddy. I think it's more or less a given fact that the higher class licenses will remain...for better or worse...the domain of the higher speed-capable ops. I _would_ agree, however, with the statements of another poster that says there's this perceived 'CW elite'. Self-perceived, I think. Some of these same 'elite' ops, after all, are the same folks you find running some really trashy phone operations on various bands, notably 75 and 20 meters. Given that, perhaps if there _had_ been some big rush to get more ops onto these bands, some of these 'elite' ops might not have been so quick to turn this spectrum-space into a forum for worldwide Andrew Dice Clay impersonations.

But, vide infra, yo:

"Why bother restructuring at all. Let's follow in the footsteps of our Liberal brothers and just make it a big free-for-all, like graduating EVERYONE from high school whether or not you can spell "IT" let alone read what I just typed. Hidden under the guise that it's not fair or I just don't want to or we don't want Johnny to grow up feeling like an underachiever. Cause to quote Slick Willy, "I feel your pain"! Waaaa!"

Hey! Yo! Dan! If I wanted to listen to Limbaugh, I'd turn the Big Fat Idiot on on the radio where he belongs! This is about amateur radio, last time I checked, not about airing out your political laundry.

As for why it's 'broke', you just summed it all up. Right there. That paragraph and the ones following. You _really_ think all of us out here who're trying to go forward in ham radio really want to listen to this 'those young whippersnappers who're ruining this nation' crap? Not by a long shot! As I've said before, it's not going to be CW that takes amateur radio down, it's this attitude that anyone coming along after the Walker Brigade isn't worth their weight in J-38s. That's the problem.

Let's put it this way: remember back...if you _can_...to when _you_ were getting going in amateur radio. Yeah, I know, there was a lot less to occupy your attention back in the Chester A. Arthur administration days. Now, if you had had a whole bunch of hams bent on busting your chops because you had an 'inferior' license, would that have given you the incentive to continue? If hams in the higher classes were sitting around in their rockers next to their rigs ranting about how all those youngsters (and to some of these, I at my 37 years counts as a 'youngster') are ruining the service, would you have really been hankering to join _that_ fraternity? I...think...not. And that, booya, is what's causing this depletion of the ranks as the oldsters go SK on us and no new blood is being shown any compelling sides of amateur radio that'd make them want to jump in.

I guess the problem here is that now that you don't have the FCC to look down its nose at you, with things such as nonrenewable novice tickets and entry-level testing done with all of the distaff hostility musterable, there's a cadre of older hams out there who feel that this is now _their_ duty. My take on that? Get off our tip!! You're doing no one any good by doing this, especially not the amateur service. You're _certainly_ not making _your_ point with this sort of rhetoric. Just makes me...and most anyone else I know...tune out. And when you get a lot of people doing that, lowering the code to zippo WPM won't even help. Handing out 1x2s on streetcorners won't help. People just won't want in, and that's the bottom line.

Stow the rhetoric. Keep it to yourself. And if you feel you must pine for the 'good ol' days' in amateur radio, mind you don't get buried in the dust from all of the remodeling done by those of us who still give a damn.

Posted on Sep 13, 1999, 4:39 PM
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by LWLongbow

You really have a problem don't you! Of course since you are over fifty my Grandson says that you do qualifiy for an Old (FARTZZZ). Kids are Impressionable to say the least. My Grandson looked up your Call Sign on the NET, Buckmasters Ham Call Data Base. Well since he couldn't find your Age there then he done cross referencing with Ham Call CD Roms that go back to (1992)so he was sure to find the age there. Anyway as I type this Article my Grandson is hear with me and he read your response. He says you are the (WHINER)a Grown man crying about a Hobby. My Grandson has (INTERNET PHONE) with Cameras and can go WorldWide and talk to and send TEXT in Realtime with VIDEO to other Kids on the Childrens Forum. The content of your Article brings to mind a cartoon that I saw. It was about the (TITANIC) When the (EXPLORER) which is a Camera, was sent down to explore the hull of that ship, it allso went upon the Bridge to have a look and as it passed the Radio Room it saw a Skeleton sitting in a chair with a hand on a (CODE KEY). (CODE IS DEAD) CW is the only thing standing in the way of any (PROGRESS) in Amateur Radio Whether it be (UHF, VHF, FM, REMOTES, OR SATELLITE COMMUNICATION) Lets Close the Coffin and move on. So Long CW Farewell Amateur Radio. (Honntae) Seven Three LWLongbow

Posted on Sep 12, 1999, 5:28 PM
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I think we all get the point that you have a problem with CW. Guess what, you don't need to use morse code to use amateur radio. As you already know the Technician license gives you full priveleges to everything above 50mhz without knowing a lick of "that dreaded morse code."

With modern technologies like amateur satellites, packet, and APRS you can communicate all over the world. The future of ham radio isn't in HF, the future is VHF and above. Check out the Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio site at http://www.tapr.org. People are working on an implementation of http for use over packet networks. Wow, wireless Internet!

I'm sorry to hear that your grandson isn't interested in amateur radio. But I'm ok with that, because there's things I'm not really interested in, like basket weaving. I'm glad that he's deriving pleasure from the Internet and its capabilities. as for myself, I work with the Internet all day, so amateur radio is my release when I don't want to think about work.

Michael
KB9VBR

Posted on Sep 13, 1999, 9:38 AM
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Untitled

by Jack Fisher

Posted on Sep 6, 1999, 2:28 PM
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HF and Hamradio

by IK1QFT

Reading about the discussion about the fall in HF skilled radio operators, I realize it is more or less the same here in Italy, where a steep decline in new licences has happened over the last few years.
I am afraid it is more or less the same all over the world, and I agree with most of those who sent letters to this forum:
1) Internet has killed Ham radio: no need to buy expensive equipment, no antennas needed, no exams of any kind, no propagation problems, no limitations on what you can talk about.
2) CW is probably one of the reasons for which people are not interested in ham radio. Desperate times call for desperate measures: perhaps abolishing CW exams could make Ham Radio more easy and attractive (even if cost is always there). Maybe....
3) People were using HF because they wanted to COMMUNICATE, and that was the easiest way to do it (at those times). Now there is an easier way, and even experimenting is more attractive in that field.
4) Don't forget the visual part: Internet has images, colors, movement. The same difference that exists between radio and TV or Cinema. What would you prefer, to communicate?

Cheers

Andrea Valori IK1QFT
TORINO - ITALY

Posted on Sep 6, 1999, 9:41 AM
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Traders Net

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<b><i> Does anyone no of a website were you can sale equipment ?
73's
McKinley </i></b>
<b><i><font color=red>KE4AZZ</font></i></b>

Posted on Sep 5, 1999, 9:36 PM
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Web trade site

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There are several (too numerous to mention!) but
www.qrz.com has a trader's post and likely has
more traffic than any other. Good luck!

Posted on Sep 6, 1999, 5:50 AM
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Good Homebrew 6-meter antenna ideas PLEASE

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Dear friends,

I would like input on six-meter antenna ideas for the shack. I have a 50 foot tower and rotor, I have looked at many designs, but most beam designs I have seen do NOT cover the band. Have a multi-mode Alinco DX70T, so want to work FM, CW and SSB segments.

Would a 9-foot CB whip with a matching coil work as a gain antenna on the mobile for 6-meter??

Thanks for your help!!

XE1UFO - KA5SUT
San Juan del Rio, Queretaro, Mexico
Author of the world´s only Worked All UFO´s Diploma!!

Posted on Sep 5, 1999, 4:53 PM
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Quads are Broadbanded

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My choice would be a cubical quad. Electrically it behaves like two, two-element stacked beams. It is quiet and it is more broadbanded than most other approaches. The forward gain will be around 6 dB.

Maximum broadbanding is achieved by avoiding a balun and using coiled coax as a choke. This also effectively shorts the feedpoint through the loop making it quieter and less likely to arc during storms. Several directors will increase the forward gain.

If the forward gain is not needed, the driven element alone, sometimes called a demi-quad or quad loop, is excellent and bi-directional at nearly 3 dB gain over a dipole. In the vertical polarization, it will get off sufficiently to the sides but max gain is broadside to the loop.

This antenna is clearly described in the US, General Class License Manual as well as the handbooks. The books by Orr are highly recommended.

Posted on Sep 10, 1999, 7:37 AM
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Net for scanner buffs?

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Is there anyone out there who would like to start a scanner net somewhere on HF??

If so please advise.

73'

Bob Reynolds
WB3DYE
worksntv@aol.com

Posted on Sep 5, 1999, 3:28 PM
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Why Amateur Radio is FAILING today.....

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In my opinion it began its fall with the mass mailing in of General Class Licenses' when amateurs felt the FCC had Sold out to ARRL... with its approval of the ADVANCED and Xtra Class licenses, and without Grandfathering the current Top Class General Tickets... A BAD mistake by an FCC that was not paying attention to the Amateur Community but to its "suposed representative" the ARRl only... Thousands mailed in their General Tickets to the FCC in protest...of losing privileges they felt they had already earned.

Secondly, In today's climate, with Cellular phones, GMRS (General Mobile Radio Service with a paid license on the 446. mhz band), The internet with free long distance phone service, ICQ, WWW voice chat, voice mail etc....

Most feel no need to take TESTS, buy self study from the ARRL, and other sources out to make money on the new amateur... Learn an antiquated morse Code, that the U.S. Government does not even teach to their own Radio Technicians any longer... nor do they feel a need to put more money in any type of Amateur equipment then Cellular phone or WWW equipment costs..... lets face it... you can get the cellular phone for freen and with several servers, "netfree.com" for example also the www....

The largest cause of the above attitude is, our own fault.... WE are NOT conducting enough FREE classes to become licensed in our own LoCAL communities... Our Community Education programs are lacking or non existing.... Our local libraries have little information on becoming an Amateur... (but there sits a free computer hooked to the WWW.... no charge to learn all you want)

Come on... the ARRl only wants to SELL, $ell, $ell. They want our money, and anything that truly represents OUR best good that Might cause them to lose a "training program" and its profits. is a no-no to them... More need to Join W5YI and listen to him... NUMBERS is the only thing Politicians list to... and a little over 600,000 amateurs, less than half of one percent of the american population is NOT gonna impress our representatives in Congress.... for heavens sake, THE NRA has over 5 million members.. and they are in trouble...

Clear your head... Let w5yi represent your viewpoint to the FCC and NOT the ARRL (who have shown with their opposition to the Technician ticket, they do not have OUR but Their interests in mind, thus alienating all New amateurs) it only takes a simple EMAIL.. by the way has the ARRL EVER ASKED you for your PERMISSION to represent you to the FCC??? do they ever send you a bulletin, an email or anything else ASKING YOU their MEMBERS, ( yes, I am arrl affiliated) for YOUR opinion??? How in heavens name do they represent you? I get email from my Congressman weekly and replies to my inquiries.. WE are faced with more REAL BAND threats, and from our own induced Sources.. Then OUR ARRL reps even know or care.
Glenn Roberts
KF4PWE (don't bother QRZ, its a TeCH + )
Nebo, N.C.
Member: ARRL,W5YI, Mcdowell Amateur Radio Association, Tri-States Amateur Radio Club, and the NRA.

Posted on Sep 1, 1999, 8:40 PM
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Wondered about joining ARRL....

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Very interesting post. I've wondered about whether or not to join ARRL. I'm one of those new Technician class license holders. Oh, excuse me, that's "NO-CODE" for all of you holier-than-thou-stuck-in-the-nineteenth-century-CW ONLY!-hf privileged license holders. Anyway, I used an ARRL study guide "Now You're Talking" to learn what I needed to to earn the Tech. ticket. My main interests are ATV, packet and amateur satellite. But I really wanted the ability to build a reasonably powerful video transmitter for my final project as an ITT Tech electronics student. If my attitude above seems overly harsh, it's merely a reflection of what I've received in my relatively brief exposure to the ham radio community. When people asked what license I was testing for when we were all milling around in the hall waiting for results I told them "Technician" and most rolled their eyes and said "No-Code" in a tone to rhyme with "cockroach". While I respect the amount of work necessary to learn Sam Morse's antiquated system of dits and dahs, I don't find the attitude of those who have learned it to be welcoming or helpful at all. And I haven't even got on the bands yet! While I found ARRL's guide useful, the few issues of QST I've read are solidly directed at frequencies I have no access to at this time. It was my intention to join ARRL, to study code, and to wait out the FCC restructuring before upgrading, but now I'm not sure that I want to upgrade at all. The Tech ticket meets my needs and interests in the hobby and frankly insulates me from the geriatric bad attitudes of the hf bands. Besides, if I upgrade after restructuring, I'll just be some new breed of bug in the pre-restructured license holders eyes. I think it's about time some Techs band together to organize hamfests and ARES/RACES chapters that exclude everything related to hf, as the "antiquated coders" do to us. Bottom line, folks: stop identifying Technician class license holders in the negative or we'll start doing the same to you, and we are now in the majority. Frankly, in my naivete, I had hoped that all license classes were seen as "hams" when I started getting into this hobby. Now I see that I've entered one side of a war of words, a tempest in a teacup that just may bring the whole house of cards down when the world decides ALL of our bands could be put to better use. That's my opinion.

Posted on Sep 3, 1999, 8:38 AM
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another Tech responds

by KC7YSF

I am chuckling at your message as I say, "Welcome to Ham Radio!" I too have a Tech license, and I must say that while I have run into a few old timers who look upon me with disgust, most people in my area have politely welcomed me into the group. And I have been waiting as well to see if the FCC removes the archaic Morse Code requirments before I upgrade any further.

I can, however, think of a couple of reasons you might want to join the ARRL. One, numbers count, and it is a good thing to have a professional organization lobbying for you. This is important because some of the bands that Techs are allowed to use are coveted by large corporate business interests, and we will be sure to lose them if we don't present a unified front. It is much easier to allow the ARRL to monitor these developments than it is for individuals, and consequently any new developments are brought immediately to your attention.

Second, I find the QST magazine to be useful for its ADVERTISING. While my experience with "elmers" has been full of unsubstanciated opinion, half-truths and complete misinformation, I have found that many of the companies you see advertising in ARRL have technical staffs which can really provide you with accurate and useful information about their products, competitve products, etc. While I now have cultivated some ham contacts in my local community who have some expertiece in certain areas, I never hesitate to call a toll free number and talk to an "expert." Your education has given you a great technical background, so this may not be of use to you, but you might consider it.

I hope you find some better representatives of the ham community in the future!

Posted on Sep 3, 1999, 1:21 PM
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Re: Wondered about joining ARRL....

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I too, joined the ARRL for a couple of years but dropped them because it didn't interest me.

But as far as Technicians organizing, we started the Buckeye Transmitter Hunters Association, a fox-hunting group. We transmit on 146.565 and have a really good time. We try to have a foxhunt per month -- a driving, mileage, hunt and a walking hunt in one of the local metroparks. More hams come to the foxhunts as the word gets out (Were in Sandusky, Ohio EN81).

Me, N8DRD, a Technician class and my friend Dino, KA8IAE, an Extra class started this association. We wouldn't think of making a "class only" group.

So I think we just need to have more interesting events -- things to do... -- to bring more people into Ham Radio. Dino and I are always recruiting, and it is fun and rewarding.

Personally, I don't have any interest in HF, but Dino loves it! We don't have to like every aspect of Amateur Radio -- just keep it interesting.

Join a traffic net once in a while so you will be trained in case you are needed in an emergency.

Check out the Buckeye Transmitter Hunters Assoc.
http://www.cros.net/dougd/thunt

Posted on Sep 4, 1999, 3:29 PM
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Apologize for a few out-of-touch characters

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I know what you are talking about, I've seen it elsewhere. In academia there can be a line between undergrad and grad students, between tenured faculty and non-tenured. In general aviation between soloed and non-soloed, licensed and student, etc. I've heard the same thing is true in medicine, probably is so in most fields. But these are arbitrary perceptions and classifications that not everyone has.

Similarly in amateur radio I've fond plenty of people with higher licenses who are glad that anybody is interested in the field they love. (After all, who gives the classes and writes most of the study books?) I really am sorry you've had some bad experiences; that is inexcusable. But not everyone is like that.

Good idea on the VHF activities, though I hope you don't fal into the same trap of "us and them." That would hurt us all when the hobby needs some cohesion. Anyway, thanks for being in the hobby, and caring enough to write. I'm at least one HFer who is glad that you are here!

Posted on Sep 7, 1999, 3:09 AM
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HF "coders" aren't all jerks

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Hi
Just a comment on your note. I've been a ham for more than 35 years, Advanced Class now, with ten years spent as a Technician on VHF only. I operate from 160 meters up to 432 MHz ... even light freqs. I homebrew some, too. I have 222 MHz FM in my car. I operate CW on HF, and SSB, FM, and CW on VHF/UHF. In my area (Chicago), I've never heard ANY of my ham friends (mostly "coders") put down Techs or "no-coders" at all. Sorry to hear that you've found the close-minded few. Hey, we were ALL no-coders before we learned Morse code. And some people like CW, and some like phone, and some like data, and some like TV, etc. And some like VHF and some like HF. And some like to build, and some just like to operate. But we're ALL hams, and we ALL like to communicate by radio ... as a HOBBY.

And I don't feel antiquated just yet.

As the "coders" say, 73, Best Regards.

http://www.megsinet.net/~jematz/

Posted on Sep 8, 1999, 12:36 PM
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Sir, I've read a couple of stories in here on why amatuer radio is falling by the wayside and there are several reasons stated and I agree with most of them. A few that I want to comment on though are.
(1) The Cost: In one of the articles I read it mentioned the cost of HF which I feel is astronomicly high for what you use the HF rigs for now mostly a hoddy. I enjoy amatuer radio but I just can't bring myself to spend 500$ plus for used HF rig just to talk on and 1000$ plus for new HF rig and that price is for a very limited rig. In my book at that price a rig better have all the bells & whistle known to man.
(2)What you have to go through just to get priviledgs on HF it's rediculous that you should have to learn code to get a general class licences when they don't even teach it in the armed forces any more, and that blasted theory, there is no reason for that test to be as hard as it is.
I've kept my licences up because I enjoyed amatuer radio. When I first got started with it in 1987 or 88 you started out as Novice and then technicion class which required 5 words / min. which was not difficult for me and and another theory test which for me was very difficult. I firmly believe that if are able to pass the tech. class now known as tech.plus you should get the same previlidges as a general, and one thing that as recently happened to me when I renewed my licences is the trouble i'm having getting a response to very simple question that I've asked amatuer sites at least 4 times now. I haven't gotten a responce yet. I could go al day on this but I'm going to stop here. But some of the basic reasons I feel ham radio as gone to the wayside and lack of interest is COST OF EQUIPMENT, and DIFFICULLTY OF LINCENCES, PEOPLE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME THESE DAYS TO STUDY LIKE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A HOBBY NOW.I would like to add though, I feel like it is a fun hobbie. I think it is neat to be able to get on a frequency and talk to someone across the country and barely be able to here the person across town on the same frequency. By the way, the question that I have asked 4 times now 5 is this. I've heard that you can use your initials now as part of your licences call letters and I just want now if that is true and what you have to do to get that done, and I just can't seem to get an answer to that question.

Thanks for letting me voice out,
Patrick Potter KD5HEE formely KB5GHP
pcpotter@flash.net or
pcpotter@ccnmail.com

Posted on Sep 4, 1999, 7:18 PM
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Vanity callsign program

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Yes, you can apply for a callsign with your initials. It's the so-called FCC vanity callsign program. There is a fee, and if nobody picks up this thread and provides more information please let me know and I'll get more details for you.

However--you can only get a designated callsign if the one you want is available, and has not been used for the last 2 years (makes sense, no duplicates allowed, and sometimes people are late in renewing their licenses). I would suggest going to www.qrz.com, which has all the U.S. callsigns, and put in the ones you want. The site will tell you if anybody has them. You can also check further by looking at the "available callsign" listing at this site. Good luck and I hope you further experiences are more positive.

Regarding cost, see my comment from about a week ago about getting on the air with a $3 DXable antenna. My Kenwood rig cost $400 used, which isn't cheap, but not as terrible as new one.

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RE: Why amateur radio is failing today

by KB9VBR

A lot of discussion I've been reading about the "failing" of amateur radio seems to be centered on the Internet stealing away potential hams.

While I'm a relative newcomer to amateur radio, (I've only had my license for about three weeks) I've had a lifelong interest in short wave radio and scanning. It all started when my dad gave me a world band radio as a Christmas present when I was 12. Over the years the interest was always there and would be briefly rekindled when I read an article about amateur radio or had the opportunity to talk to someone into the hobby. I purchased a scanner a couple years ago to give myself a 'heads up' when severe weather moved into the area. My interests in ham radio started to rekindle when searching for scanner frequencies I stumbled on the vast storehouse of ham radio information on the Internet.

I didn't find getting my license to be difficult. With the help of the excellent "Now You're Talking" book and a set of Gordon West Code tapes I picked up out the clearance table of my local Radio Shack I was on my way to getting on the air. Combine those with the exam servers on the Internet and I passed my exam in about 4 weeks. I'm now Tech+ and am building my code speed up so that I have an incentive to purchase a small HF rig.

I've been on the internet since about 1990, back when it was still considered a noncommercial network; so I've experienced first hand the explosive growth. I've also seen a lot of standards come and go on the Internet. Sure I suppose the Internet has taken away a lot of potential hams, but would these people really have been interested in amateur radio in the run? I think not. Critics say that free video conferencing and real audio and internet telephony gives anyone the ability to talk with anyone else without the need of licensing. They sure do, and so does picking up the phone and randomly dialing an international phone number. The end result is the same.

Radio is magic. There's nothing magical about the Internet. Its all bits and bytes, data streams and packets. Radio is different, you send a signal into the ether and hope that the atmospheric condidtions will carry that signal great distances. You don't really know how far you will go.

To a newcomer to the Internet, the Internet may be magic. If someone bought a $1000 computer and plugged it into the phone jack to access AOL, the fact they could by chatting with someone thousands of miles away just astounds them. But to me, computer networks are supposed to do that. I know how it works, and frankly, its not very exciting.

Critics also say why should you communicate on HF when you can do it on the Internet for free. But, after paying $1000 for a computer, buying a little net cam, capture card, internet telephony software, and paying for online access are you any better off than buying an inexpensive or used HF radio and putting up a long wire attenna? Of course if you want to do any type of real voice or motion picture with your computer that will cost much more in online fees.

Lets use the Internet as what its intended for, a meeting place for hams to swap information, coordinate times to make contact and to RECRUIT NEW HAMS.

It was the internet that got me reacquainted with ham radio and gave me the impetus to get my license.

Of course this is just a hobby. Too many people take amateur radio way to seriously. Amateur radio is not supposed to be everything for everybody. Do what you want to do. If you all want to do is talk on the repeater, get your tech license. If you want to communicate with satelites or via packet, you don't need to upgrade. If you want to use HF, knuckle down and learn the code. Nothing is impossible if you put your mind to it (10 minutes a day, every day, is all you need). Who knows, you may find out that you really enjoy it.

I've gone on way too long, but my advice to the old hams complaining about the influx of new technician class hams is: IF ITS NO LONGER FUN FOR YOU, FIND A NEW HOBBY.

Michael Martens
KB9VBR

Posted on Sep 7, 1999, 2:59 PM
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Novice, need help on SW

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Hi, I am so glad that I found this board which has such a caliber in Ham's technical experts .

I have tried to read FCC specs and could not make any head or tail. I have some questions and I hope you folks can help me out, or point me to a right direction. Thanks in advance.

1. Is there a such thing that would transmit FM in freq bands less than 20MHz?

2. What do people usualy transmit in 4Mhz. 7Mhz and 10Mhz bands? Should it be mostly AM? or any other modulation scheme?

3. In such a narrow band likes the 7-7.3MHz band, how much ernegy would be allow to leak outside the band? And how much a leak will cause the FCC to knock on the door? Did they ever knock on anybody
door, or is it only a honor system?

Regards,

HiTi

Posted on Sep 1, 1999, 6:43 PM
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re: Novice questions on SW

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HiTi,
Ham radio operators do not use FM below the 28-29.7 Mhz band. Most HF voice communications is conducted using single side band, either upper or lower (USB or LSB, respectively). Some fans of AM and historically interesting radios, continue to use that mode, but it is not widely used. On a technical level, FM refers to how the radio signal is modulated - and technically, one could modulate an FM signal anywhere. There are, however, some legal restrictions that would make its use unlikely or illegal in large parts of the spectrum.

The 3.5 to 4, 7, and 10 Mhz Amateur bands use primarily SSB, telegraph (CW), radio teletype, PSK31 (a newer form of radio teletype that is more efficient), and packet (data) radio communications.

I do not have the spurious emissions restrictions handy at the moment. But generally, spurious emissions outside the Amateur bands must be greatly suppressed.

Does anyone care about spurious emissions? They sure do. I once got a friendly note (really) from an FCC monitoring station that had picked up a spur from my transmitter; it was just an advisory suggesting that I look into it and did not require a reply. Currently, I am working with the local TV channel 2 in my town because they appear to have a spur within the Amateur 50 to 54 Mhz band. Other users of the spectrum are going to be protective of their allocations - so, generally, while the FCC might not be looking all the time, other users are looking at their own spectrum. Turning on a radio transmitter is the same as turning on a flashlight in a dark room - you will be found. Besides, it is good engineering practice to keep your spurs to the minimim possible.

Good luck,
Ed, KF7VY
Ham Radio Online


Posted on Sep 2, 1999, 3:15 PM
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Re: Novice...

by DAC/KB9TKS

OK...Ed did a good response, but there's a couple of other salient points that will help to explain things in a bit more detail...

"Is there a such thing that would transmit FM in freq bands less than 20MHz?"

Well, as Ed pointed out, there's no NBFM activity in HF outside of the top end of the 10 meter band. Here's why: a Narrow-Band FM signal has a bandwidth of about 15 kHz. Now, when you take something such as, say, the phone segment of 20 meters and start chopping it up into 15 kHz channels, you find you run out of space really quickly. But if you do the same thing with 3 kHz segments, you have a lot more 'channelspace' present in that same bit of spectrum. Why 3 kHz? Well, because that's the bandwidth of a typical SSB transmission, which is the main phone mode on HF. Granted, there are people running AM out there, but not too many...mainly because SSB is much more efficient, both in terms of transmitter usage as well as spectrum space. Even smaller amounts of spectrum are taken up by RTTY, SSTV, FAX, and CW modes, making it possible to jam even more of these modes into a similar spectrum width than SSB phone.

"What do people usualy transmit in 4Mhz. 7Mhz and 10Mhz bands? Should it be mostly AM? or any
other modulation scheme?"

Mostly _not_ AM, for reasons explained above. What gets transmitted where depends on various bandplans, which are partly legal definitions of what goes where, and in some cases 'gentlemen's agreements' about where other modes should be placed within band confines. Several websites have bandplan references that you can have a look at.

"In such a narrow band likes the 7-7.3MHz band, how much ernegy would be allow to leak outside the band? And how much a leak will cause the FCC to knock on the door? Did they ever knock on anybody
door, or is it only a honor system?"

Do not taunt FCC Fun Ball. Seriously, _any_ spurious emissions other than what you're supposed to be doing at the time you're transmitting are to be kept as low as humanly possible. This includes harmonics (the usual culprit) as well as a number of other interesting and annoying spurious emissions your ham rig can put out. The rule of thumb on any spurious emissions is 'how low can you go?'...and the answer, of course, is 'as close to zero as you can!'
As for the FCC, if you're interfering and they either pick up your spurious emissions at one of their monitoring posts, or they get a complaint, you _will_ likely hear from them. This is a topic they tend to not treat lightly, especially in the present climate of more aggressive FCC interdiction against problems within the amateur service. And also note, this doesn't have to be limited to the usual spurious emissions. It should be noted that there are a _lot_ of things that RFI can occur to, and some of this can also come from your _proper_ transmissions, notably interference to stereos and phones. So even if your harmonics are down to near-zippo, you can _still_ incur the FCC's notice if a bunch of your neighbors start hearing you over their stereos and the like and they lodge complaints with the Commission over that.
Also keep in mind that if you _do_ receive any RFI complaints, it's up to _you_ as the offender to correct the problems. I.e., if your 20 M DX pileup-busting manages to become an extra vocal track on your next door neighbor's new Puff Daddy CD, it's up to you to take the measures to correct the problem with various chokes, etc etc etc. See the ARRL Handbook for some useful info on what's involved there.

73 de KB9TKS!

Posted on Sep 2, 1999, 8:30 PM
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Thanks a bunch

by HiTi

Ed, DAC,

Thanks, I got a critical key word from you: "HF band plan", and that has opened the big door for me.

Someone has told me that I need -40dBm at the sides of the band to be save. That will eat up a lot of chokes.

Again, thanks

HiTi

Posted on Sep 3, 1999, 7:00 AM
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Hi, I am so glad that I found this board which has such a caliber in Ham's technical experts .

I have tried to read FCC specs and could not make any head or tail. I have some questions and I hope you folks can help me out, or point me to a right direction. Thanks in advance.

1. Is there a such thing that would transmit FM in freq bands less than 20MHz?

2. What do people usualy transmit in 4Mhz. 7Mhz and 10Mhz bands? Should it be mostly AM? or any other modulation scheme?

3. In such a narrow band likes the 7-7.3MHz band, how much ernegy would be allow to leak outside the band? And how much a leak will cause the FCC to knock on the door? Did they ever knock on anybody
door, or is it only a honor system?

Regards,

HiTi

Posted on Sep 1, 1999, 6:23 PM
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Novice, need help on SW

by KD4FXY

Perhaps looking into the hobby of ham radio will help your curiosity? There are several HF bands from 80 Meters(1.5MHz) to 10 Meters(28MHz) where you can build your own gear to transmit voice/data/morse code.

Web sites geared towards ham radio will yield you with information pertaining to specs on transmitting and schematics for transmitters.

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Help SSTv & RTTY

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HI,
I have held my licence for almost 2 years now and have keen interest in RTTY and SSTv. I can run RTTY both with the PC and Creed444 teleprinter however I am real need of an SSTv program that will run on my PC. I have tried a regestered copy of DL4SAW unfortunatly it wont run due to me needing a TSR program for my graphics card. I can't get one as I don't know the make of my AGP card which is board mounted and not PCI.

I run windows 98 and no DOS (The RTTY prog is hamcom 3 which runs fine.)

Please can any one help.

73's Mike
M1CJO

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Mike, go to http://www.conknet.com/~kb1hj/ and check out the programs there...he has a good selection, and lots of technical info on SSTV.
Good luck!

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looking for owner's feedback-Yaesu VX-1R

by KC7YSF

Hello:

I am looking for feedback, both positive and negative about the Yaesu VX-1R. I am thinking of purchasing this radio, but want to hear from owners who are experienced with this radio, so I don't throw my money away. I have also looked at the Yaesu VX-5R, but I don't need the 6 meter coverage. However, the additional power of the VX-5R MIGHT come in handy, but this is just a guess on my part. I am hoping you owners out there will take a moment to give me the straight scoop, good or bad. Thanks.

Posted on Aug 31, 1999, 6:17 PM
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re: VX-1

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Unfortunately, I have no first hand info on this little radio. However, I and I'm sure, lots of others also would like to know more about the VX1. If you have comments, please post them here - or, if KC7YSF receives comments in private email, I hope that he can share them with others here on the online forum.

Thanks, Ed, KF7VY
http://hamradio-online.com

Posted on Sep 4, 1999, 2:18 PM
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VX-1R is Okay

by N3MVJ

I have one of these little gems, and although I
don't use it very much, I like it. Don't plan on
going any great distances with it--its power is more suited to talking to a friend while you're
both at a ham show or something. AM band is useless unless you use another antenna, but that's not why you're buying this radio anyway. It is great for most scanning purposes. Programming via hand is laborsome, while programming via computer is an interesting yet dangerous proposition. The manual warns you that if the computer programming is interrupted, the radio will become inoperable and will probably have to be sent back to the factory. Good points--it's small, light, travels anywhere, and can be a lot of fun on a trip. At its usually discounted price, it's a lot of radio in a little package for that money.

Posted on Sep 9, 1999, 9:33 AM
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