(Login Modoc_ED) Crosman Forum Member 188.8.131.52
But what about the thousands
June 13 2008, 3:25 PM
of us that have been casting our lead bullets for eons????? Casting pellets is no more dangerous that casting bullets. Get a copy of Lyman's Lead Casting Book and use common sense and it is a snap to do (of course with a proper furnace and other proper equipment) and very pleasueable. All you need are a set of molds or even one mold and away you go.
I just think its easier to buy them than to make them.
June 13 2008, 4:00 PM
The amount of time and energy spent making the pellets may not be worth it. It may also be really hard to get some good pellets out of the molds. He could spend countless hours working on a batch of pellets and only a few could come out well. But if he does decide to make his own he should probably try making round balls or bullet shaped pellets which would be far easier. He should also wear the proper equipment to prevent any lead from entering his body. Just be safe.
(Login Modoc_ED) Crosman Forum Member 184.108.40.206
Oh, I'll grant you that making SMALL
June 13 2008, 4:36 PM
pellets would be a pain in the patooti!!! Probably very tedious trying to handle such small molds and then trying to decap them etc.; HOWEVER, I know some old codgers that get great pleasure doing anything that has to do with casting.
My mani point was that the danger in casting is almost nill IF proper ventilation and other safety practices are followed.
I myself buy my pellets. I still do some bullet casting but mostly buy now-a-days. Back when I started casting (1950s) it was a must in some cases as that was the only way to get/make certain bullets for odd ball/uncommon cartridges.
Doug Owen (Login DKOwen) Crosman Forum Member 220.127.116.11
If you've cast that much, you know it's basically impossible......
June 13 2008, 5:44 PM
A cast ten grain pure lead pellet without flaws would be a work of art.
Have you ever tired to cast .22 cal bullets? Even heavy ones with little surface like 60 grainers for gas checks are basically impossible without some Tin in the mix. You have to fight the low level of heat in that tiny charge of lead, decent fill out is hard to get. My best efforts with hard alloys were less than 50%. Most ended back up in the pot.
I too have the LEM mold for .22. IMO there's a reason it wasn't popular, basically you can't make useful pellets with 'em.
CO222 (Login CO222) Crosman Forum Member 18.104.22.168
I agree, it would be an exercise in futility
June 13 2008, 6:39 PM
especially if new to casting. I do a fair bit of casting, I've made hundreds of
slugs for my .50 and .30 and it works out cheaper than off the shelf, plus
it's enjoyable. The .30's are a fair bit trickier to cast without flaws because
of their small size. Those are 155gr, so imagine what 10 times smaller might
be like. Even if you find a way to make a few succesfully, will they be as
accurate as regular 2c apiece swaged pellets?
wes (Login liz873) Crosman Forum Member 22.214.171.124
June 14 2008, 4:53 PM
casting, yes is very difficult for small calibers but swaging your own pellets is easy. There are companies that sell presses and coiled lead wire specifically for use in air gun rifle bores. The lead wire is cut to length and inserted in the press, where the precise diameter and length bullet is formed. I agree it may not be cost effective, but you can make a variety of shapes to experiment with.
but have had no luck finding one in th U.S. I have seen a few old ones out of country but that drives the price up quite a bit(shipping & weak dollar).They cast a heavy type bullet one at a time, not really a pellet since it has no skirt.I contacted one or two custom mold makers that refused to try it...The main problem with that was I couldn't make them understand that it was for a pellet gun but that I really didn't care if it had a skirt or not.Most suggested I try swagging a pellet but the equipment to start up is expensive.If you find a mold please let me know.
(Login gubb33ps) Crosman Forum Member 126.96.36.199
Had a pair of LEM...
June 13 2008, 5:20 PM
..molds (they were once marketed by Beeman). Odd little brass molds that didn't really work quite like any other mold. Would case a spitzer shaped pellet with a thin flange around the base....flange would engrave the rifling fully, the pellet body would ride on top of the lands. Heavy pellets. Had the .177 and the .22; believe at lest some .20's and .25's were made.
Never did shoot real well in most guns, but if they happened to match your bore well, could shoot well enough to be useful. Becasue of the design, worked best in guns that inserted the pellet into the bore (pre-engraving them)...bold type guns, like Benajmains or the old Sterling springers.
this was snached from one of the on-line Beeman's sourses:
Commercial production of pellets is primarily by swaging. The shape of the diabolo pellet does not lend itself well to casting, but it is possible to cast some unusually heavy, bullet shaped pellets using some pellet molds. Because of their bullet shape, such pellets have greater friction, but the special shape and extreme weight, and the capacity for being homemade, makes these pellets of special interest to the serious airgun hunter, experimenter, and survivalist. The McGuire pellet mold casts sharply pointed "Spitzer", hollow-base bullet-shape pellets. The .177” (4.5 mm) pellet from these molds weighs 14 grains (0.91 gms.) and the .22” (5.5 mm) pellet weighs 20 grains (1.3 gms.). The best material for casting is melted down pellet lead retrieved from a metal pellet trap. Caution: Melting down pellet lead retrieved from a "silent" pellet trap which utilizes putty or other material to trap the pellets should be done with great caution and only where there is a great deal of ventilation and a fire extinguisher handy. Firearm bullet lead generally has a bit too much tin, zinc, or antimony to be soft enough for airgun pellets, but such material can be mixed with pure lead to make it satisfactory for this purpose. Very light oiling of these bullet style pellets probably is advisable.
This message has been edited by gubb33ps from IP address 188.8.131.52 on Jun 13, 2008 5:34 PM
That Company is Corbin Swaging & Supply In Oregon
www.swage.com They make a SWC style pellet swaging tool that uses the aforementioned lead wire(sold in 7000 Gr. spools in various Diameters. .220 Dia. would be bestfor pellets(.22Cal.)
Check it out...!
P.S. they also make a swage for dual diameter Pellets