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Substitute for Pellgun Oil

February 5 2009 at 2:30 PM
Ben  (Login BenBenson)
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Well, I forgot to order some pellgun oil recently from an online retailer. I looked at the stores here and they don't carry it. The guy on the Pyramyd Air blog (B.B. Pelletier) said that you can substitute Automatic Transmission Fluid for Pellgun Oil. Anyone know if this is accurate, or recommend another substitute?

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Chris
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Non-detergent 30 Wt. motor oil......

February 5 2009, 3:02 PM 

A Quart of it costs about the same as a 1/2 Oz.of Pellgum oil, but without the the red dye.

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RedFeather
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I don't really understand Pellgun Oil

February 5 2009, 4:06 PM 

Mostly seen not so positive posts about it and that it's, as said, motor oil at a substantially higher cost/quart. The ATF has been recommended where synthetic seals and o-rings are involved as it's not supposed to degrade them. I'm not sure what kind of gun PellGun Oil or ATF is supposed to be used in.


 
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fa
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IMHO....

February 5 2009, 4:42 PM 

... I've used ATF in my 2100 for 19 years, and it shoots just like the first day if not better. All original seals. Also used ATF for less than a year on my co2 guns and I haven't had any seal deterioration problems to date.

Pellgun is WAY over priced, and many persons have stated it's no more than 30wt ND oil with some coloring added. I will be mixing some ATF and 30wt ND soon and see what happens...





 
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Lon
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I been using Tri-Flo without incident....

February 5 2009, 4:41 PM 

The concern is not to destroy O-rings with your lubricant. I don't know what type of material Crosman's O-rings are comprised of but so far(6 months?) they have not been adversly affected. Most O-rings are tolerant of petroleum based lubricants but some are harsher than others. I would be careful with ATF.


Tri-flo according to the MSDS:

Heavy Aliphatic Solvent. 29 Not Established 1.00
64742-96-7
Naphthenic Oil. 23 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-63-8
Heavy Naphthenic Petroleum Oil. 2 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-52-5
Highly refined Naphthenic Oil. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-53-6
Heavy Mineral Oil. 23 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.10
64741-96-4
Distillates, petroleum, solvent-degr. 4 5 5 MG/M3 as Mist 0.00
64742-65-0
2-Methoxymethylethoxypropanol 2 100 100 PPM (Skin) 0.40
34590-94-8 STEL 150 150 PPM (Skin)
Amyl Acetate. 3 100 100 PPM 4.00
628-63-7
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Barium (as Ba; total) 0.9

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fa
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if ATF were to bust up o-rings ...

February 5 2009, 4:51 PM 

... all automatic transmission equipped cars would be in deep doo-doo, since they have a bunch of o-rings permanently dipped in heated ATF and under constant pressure... I use BUNA 90 for all my co2 o-rings and haven't had one fail due to ATF attack.

Can't guarantee the stock Crosman seals are not cheap o-rings, but they do seem softer, and kind of porous under a magnifying glass...

 
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Lon
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IIRC, there are two different kinds of ATF...

February 5 2009, 5:33 PM 

the newer ATF is silcone based and not harmful, the older type is the stuff to stay away from, Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Most O-rings can withstand solvents according to the descriptions on sites like http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=h5cq6

the trick is to match up the O-ring and solvent; better safe than sorry.

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fa
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like Dexron / Mercon / Mercon V / type F

February 5 2009, 7:23 PM 

...I've always used Dexron oils, maybe that's why I haven't had any problems.

Mercon (not Mercon V) is similar to Dexron.

Mercon V and type F oils are stronger and have other additives that may really bugger up seals...

 
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eric
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tri-flow is teflon based

February 5 2009, 4:57 PM 

i Know it will gum up and collect dust and dirt so for using it for airguns might not be a good idea.

 
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Lon
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I don't think it's Teflon "based"...

February 5 2009, 5:34 PM 

I think it is petroleum based with a Teflon additive. I thought I read somewhere that the base was mineral oil.

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eric
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either way...

February 5 2009, 5:44 PM 

I woundn't use it in MY airguns

 
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Lon
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BTW, Pellgun oil is notorius for "gumming up"...

February 5 2009, 6:35 PM 

it's commonly referred to as "Pell GUM" oil.

I've been running Tri-flow in my RC helicopters for 2 years and it hasn't gummed yet or deteriorated ANY plastic parts which make up 75+ % of the aircraft or O-rings in my Crosmans,it actually seems to be more of a solvent and flushs junk out of the parts.

Just my anedotal observations.

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airbethere
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Crosman certified airgun repairmen say use....

February 5 2009, 6:40 PM 

plenty of it! LOL

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eric
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Re: BTW, Pellgun oil is notorius for "gumming up"...

February 5 2009, 6:59 PM 

as is tri-flow.granted my experiences are different than yours (with tri-flow probably)coming from 12 years in a bike shop.but hey if it works for You all is good,right ? happy.gif

 
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Lon
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So what is your experience...

February 5 2009, 7:46 PM 

seriously, I am always willing to learn.

I have nothing but positive experiences with Tri-flow but if you have more experience with the product I'm happy to defer.

What is your experience using Tri-Flow? I'm not being sarcastic. Tim at Mac-1 has commented many times about the fact that there are better lubes and that he has a very low oppinion of Pellgun oil. I don't always agree with him but I certainly respect his experience and I do agree with him about the Pellgun oil as I have seen it start to gum myself.

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eric
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i can't say which is better

February 5 2009, 10:43 PM 

Or what might be better.but this is what i know about tri-flow and it gumming up.mechanics would lube cables (mostly mountain bikes)so shifting and braking would be smoother.sure maybe at first but the lube would then get gummy and eventually be counter productive .once gummy - dirt and dust will adhere to it making it worse.so it is best not use tri flow for certian applications.there is more but again I would not use it on seals,BUT i do use tri-flow for the pivot points on my 3 13xx .so again "I" not would use tri-flow.but between WD-40 and tri-flow ---- tri-flow fer shur.in a pinch sure.As said before if it works for YOU then have at it.inexpensive guns = inexpensive parts = easily replaceable if needed right?maybe tri-flow is better than pellgun oil or atf,etc.....i am NO expert on airguns.so it is just my 2 cents worth(or moar).


    
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Lon
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Cables are supposed to be dry lubed...

February 5 2009, 11:17 PM 

for the reasons you stated, so as not to collect dirt, you wouldn't put Pellgun oil in a cable either.


I think Tri-Flow is better than Pellgun oil and have never heard a compelling reason to think otherwise, but I'm listening. wink.gif

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eric
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i know that

February 6 2009, 2:50 AM 

still doesn't deny the Fact that it gums up.your gun your choice.my gun my choice. as fa and bio said certian additives can harm different materials .you can run into the same types of problems with grease. my thinking is the right tool for the job .would you use a hammer for a screw driver ?tri-flow has a place but not on MY seals.


    
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Lon
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I would only add the Pellgun oil is the worst choice...

February 6 2009, 10:18 AM 

of all the lubes mentioned, but it's better than nothing at all.

Mac-1 Secret Sauce is mentioned in a post bellow, that is probably better than Pellgun oil too but I couldn't find a reference to using it on CO2 guns on Mac-1's website.


My intention is to make sure someone does not avoid Tri-Flow because of mis-information. I've soaked two types of O-rings:Viton and Buna(Buna being some of the most fragile) for weeks in POOLS of Tri-Flow with NO adverse affects. So although I don't claim to be a chemist, I'm not just talking with no experience.

BTW, you keep claiming that it "gums", I have never had that happen. Under what conditions have you experienced this?

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eric
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i have explained myself above

February 6 2009, 12:39 PM 

your choice to use what YOU want in YOUR gun(S).promote tri-flow as a good thing .ALL I AM SAYING IS I WON'T USE TRI-FLOW ON THE SEALS OF MY GUN(S).I DO NOT NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF .use it be happy --- let it go.


    
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