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My Crosman 760 ... Better Than I Had Expected

April 17 2017 at 3:10 PM

A.O. Martinez  (Login aom22)
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Well fellas ... while I'm waiting the results of the BB-dedicated Crosman 2100.
I had a co-worker tell me he had his grandkids over to his house to shoot some pellet rifles.

One of the kids took a Eurasian dove at about 20-yards with a Benjamin ACP in .22 caliber.
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/2009/01/steve-from-ncs-wicked-cool-air.html
Grandpa had to pump-up the Benjamin for her.
He also has a couple of Daisy 880s ... but, they're scoped.
Grandpa wants the kids to learn how to use iron-sights.

So, I give him both of my Daisy's - Red Ryder and Model 25.
For the grandkids to use under his supervision.
Then, it hit me ... I ain't gonna have any BB-guns after I drop-off the Daisys.

On my way home from work I decided to stop at Walmart and purchase a Crosman 760 that I had seen
on-the-shelf a couple of days prior.
But, I had to lay a careful plan to finish my chores and do an unnoticed drive-by to Walmart.
My wife doesn't like guns ... let alone airguns - she thinks I have way-too-many as is.

Anyway, I had a successful sortie ... got the 760 back to the home unnoticed.
And, I've been sighting-in the 760 for the last 30-minutes.
So far, I've been duly impressed.
I've been hitting 1-inch pecans at 10-meters with regularity.

Albeit from a steadied, standing, position.
Even so, it hasn't been hard to sight-in the 760's semi-buckhorn rear sight.
However, the lack of a windage adjustment feature did make for inconvenient and iffy left/right changes.
Nevertheless, with a little patience ... I'm hitting whatever pecans I've aiming at.
And, the best-part ... the good accuracy is being achieved using non-premium BBs. LOL
Bulk zinc-plated Daisy BBs are doing just-fine for me. LOL

To this end, I think I'm done with Daisy spring & piston BB-guns.
As the Crosman 760 trigger is such an improvement over the Daisy Red Ryder and Model 25.
The Red Ryder trigger although not unreasonably heavy displayed a lot of creep.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295707

On-the-other-hand, the Model 25 trigger was heavy.
So, heavy that after an extended shooting session, my trigger-finger would become sore.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=310042

So far, the 760 trigger is not exhibiting any unpleasant characteristics.
Most telling, the 760 trigger is lighter than the trigger-pull of my Daisy 953.
And, I really like my Daisy 953s.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=878522

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=701937&highlight=daisy+target+pro









    
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Phil
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The 760 was my first BB/pellet gun...

April 18 2017, 5:39 PM 

I don't count the GAT pistol that was purchased at a local antique store back home. That GAT shot BBs, nails, darts, pellets, spit wads (at my little brother), about anything that would fit in the bore.

Getting the 760 was like getting a Porsche over Chevy Chevette. Really had lots of fun and mischief with it.

Glad you like it.

 
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Performance of My 760 Exceeded My Expectations

April 18 2017, 6:16 PM 

So far ... so good.
My 760 has exceeded the performance of my spring and piston Daisys.
Albeit, requiring 4-strokes of compression to equal the pecan smashing power of my Model 25.

Sure wished I could mount a peep-sight on the 760 .... that would be great.

Even so, spent the last hour shooting the 760, the semi-buckhorn rear sight open sight take
some practice to gain proficency.
I've been able to hit 1-inch pecans at 25-feet off-hand if I'm very careful.
At 21-feet, I can smack pecans consistently - loads of fun.

But, there are somethings I dearly miss about the Daisys.
The feel of wood and metal ... very satisfying.
While the 760 ... much like the Daisy 880 and Crosman 2100/2200 ... traditional steel.
But, employ much more lightweight synthetic materials that are not nearly as welcoming to the touch
as wood.


    
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Peep Sights for Crosman 760

April 19 2017, 2:08 AM 

I've been looking for some peep sights to fit my 760 compatible with the OEM front sight.
What I've seen carry the caveat "for use with pellets ... kinda an odd qualification?!?!?

 
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Mario
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Try MidwayUSA

April 19 2017, 9:21 AM 

They have Williams WRGS-54 for Airgun/.22 Rifles

I have one of them on My Backpacker 2289 .... Love it!
Aim Small .....Miss Small

 
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Low Front Sight

April 20 2017, 6:15 PM 

Spent a couple of hours this afternoon with my 760.
I was shooting 1-inch pecans at 18-feet, 21-feet, 25-feet and 10-yards.
Using 3-strokes of compression with Daisy zinc-coated BBs.

I found the rear sight had to be down on the lowest setting.
As such, I don't think the Williams WGRS-54 is gonna work on my 760 without
a taller front-sight.

From a steady-position, off-hand supported on a window sill and my right-shoulder
braced against a window frame.
At 21-feet ... shooting pecans wasn't a challenge.
At 25-feet ... with a little more effort ... I was connecting with monotonous regularity.
Moving to 10-yards ... I had to exercise due diligence to stay on-the-mark.
However, at 10-meters ... I was really having to focus to connect with the 1-inch pecans.
But, I could hit two-out-of-three shots.

With my Daisy 953 using AR-15 peep-sights, shooting 1-inch pecans at 10-meters is not difficult.
But, does require concerted effort.
I'm capable of making good hits at 15-yards with another one of my 953's with aperture sights.

My point, my 760 needs a better iron-sights to take advantage of its full accuracy potential.
As such, I'm still looking-for a suitable grooved-receiver mounted peep-sight.


    
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John Thomas in Spokane
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The Williams 5D-AG is for grooved recievers and is made in

April 20 2017, 7:31 PM 

both a high and low profile, and the Williams FP-GR also comes in low profile with, or without target knobs,
Midway carries them all also.
I've used the 5D-AG in both profiles on my 760's with a 3/4" dia. muzzle weight that had a screw in pin front sight and it worked fine. You can try different length pins to get the right front elevation. I've also used the Discovery muzzle weight with a taller front sight I picked up used at a gun show.

 
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Taller Front Sight

April 21 2017, 2:18 AM 

Well, it looks like I'm gonna need a method of installing a taller front sight
on my 760 - the key to a peep sight intallation being a modified front-sight .
A higher site post.
Not what I had expected.

Hmmm, I wonder of any of the Crosman Custom Shop front sights might work?
That is, if the barrel diameters are compatible.


    
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John Thomas in Spokane
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Barrel diameter is the same-7/16", the custom shop muzzle

April 21 2017, 1:17 PM 

weights are basically the same as what I used (mine was after market, but used the same type of sight pin), they use a threaded pin for a front sight post, and there are different height after market pins, and at least one screw in blade available from various venders (or used to be anyway)or you can make one. The custom shop Williams rear peep sight is the low profile target knob version of the Williams FP-GR that I mentioned in my previous post and isn't exclusive to Crosman. IMO though the low profile Williams 5D-AG is a better fit on the 760 since it's a bit more compact and is also the cheapest. I can and see if I still have any photos of my 760 with these sights, and if so I can post them if you want a visual.

 
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Photos Would Be Very Appreciated

April 21 2017, 2:15 PM 

Ideally, I'd like to acquire a "bolt-on" solution.
By-the-way, I'm so smitten by my 760 ... in-due-time ... I intend to buy
one-each for the kids that were/are the recipients of my old Daisys.
But, I hope to have one of the 760s outfitted with a peep-sight.
While the other 760 will retain the OEM open-sights.

 
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I'll go through my airgun pics this evening. It is a bolt on

April 21 2017, 5:32 PM 

setup the way I did it. I had mine on an older metal modded 760XL, but the overall size, scope grooves on the receiver, and barrel diameter are still the same as the new ones.

 
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5-Shots, 5-Strokes Compression at 15-Yards with Daisy Zinc-Coated BBs

April 21 2017, 8:38 PM 

 I spent sometime this afternoon after work shooting my 760.
The object was to refine my 21-foot zero with the open-sights.
The 760 front sight is relatively wide.
As such, I was using the "pumpkin on a post" sight picture at 21-feet
with 3-strokes of compression.

This translated to "post on the middle of the pumpkin" at 10-meters.
When I decided to try my luck at a longer range.
I added 2-stokes more compression for a total of 5-strokes of air charge.
This is one reason I like multi-stroke pneumatics.
As range increases ... it is easy to compensate by adding more strokes of
compression.

5-Shots
15-Yards
5-Strokes Compression
Open Sights
Daisy Zinc-Coated Bulk BBs
Standing Position
Upper-Body Braced
Arms Supported


I've been using Daisy zinc-coated BBs exclusively in my 760.
After doing some research on BBs, I concluded the Daisy zinc-coated BBs were
reasonably accurate.
More so than Crosman BBs.

However, I'm gonna try-out some Daisy Avanti Precision Ground BBs in the near
future.
This change will ... no doubt ... require re-sighting-in my 760.
Which is gonna be a real pain because of the lack of windage adjustment.
To shift right or left, I must use some pliers to "pull" the rear sight blade.
This is a "hit-or-miss"(pun intended) proposition.



Daisy Zinc-Coated Bulk BBs

This is a typical pecan that I was using as my POA.
I was consistantly hitting high and too the right of POA.
It took me quite a while to set zero because of the springiness of the rear
sight blade steel.



POA - Center Mass of Pecan
POI - High to the Right
After taking 5-shots, I went down-range to see how far-off the POI was from my POA at 15-yards.
I was very surprised and pleased with the size of the group that was formed.
Can I duplicate this group ... again?
Well, I gonna try with the Avanti Precision Ground BBs and see if the Avanti's perform better.
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3 Out-of 5 Shots ... Small Pecan Hits at 15-Yards

April 22 2017, 11:45 AM 

This morning, I was anxious to pick-up my 760.
I warmed-up at 21-ft, 25-ft, 10-yds and 10-meters.
Then, I took notice there were a few pecans still set-up at 15-yards that I didn't finish
knocking-down from the prior day.
Last even, the sun was setting and shadows were enveloping my targets.
The black-sights coupled with the shadowy background made accurate shooting nearly impossible.

So, I decided to try and pick-off the remaining pecans.
Five-shots later, I had smashed three-pecans.
This was from a standing, off-hand position.
I need-not say, I was quite satisfied with myself.
But more-so, with the performance of my 760 with OEM open-sights.

Proving to myself, the 760's accuracy potential with BBs at 15-yards is not a fluke. LOL

A friend of mine not to long ago asked WHY I would chose to spend my time shooting a BB-gun
when there are many BETTER pellet rifle alternatives.
In-my-mind, the performance of my 760 provides the answer to his question - succinctly.
There is not any less-expensive way to practice marksmanship skills ... other than with a BB-gun.
Trigger-time is trigger-time ... regardless of the means of propulsion.


    
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Pumpkin-on-Post Sight Picture ... Increasing Range ... Increase Compression Strokes

April 22 2017, 12:07 PM 

I also experimented with maintaining the "pumpkin-on-post" sight picture.
With 3-strokes of compression, the "pumpkin-on-post" POA worked well
at 21-feet, 25-feet and 10-yards (30-feet).

When I transitioned to 10-meters (33-feet) in-order to maintain the same POA
I added a stroke-of-compression ... 4-strokes total.

Even further down-range at at 15-yards (45-feet), I intuitively included another
stroke-of-compression for good-measure when engaging pecans at the greater distance
The additional compression kept the "pumpkin-on-post" POA feasible.

Like I said earlier, the ability to add more compression-per-shot as required per-shot
is another great advantage of a multi-stroke pneumatic.
Whether for more power or flatter trajectory ... a MSP can deliver on-demand.


    
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5-Shots, 5-Strokes Compression at 15-Yards with Avanti Precision Ground BBs

April 22 2017, 7:09 PM 

Well, I went and did it.

Late this afternoon, I decided to try-out some Daisy Avanti Precision Ground BBs in my 760.
It wasn't easy ... I had to fire-off several groups to warm-up.
This is the best group of the shooting session.

As predicted, the Avantis are not striking at the same POI as the Daisy Zinc-coated regular ammo.
I can't explain why ... but, the POI is different.

Judging from the performance of the Avanti BBs ... I gonna have to transition the 760 exclusively
to precision ground ammo.
The additional cost of precision ground BBs is a trade-off I can live-with.
After-all, life is too short to me to tolerate less-than-the-best ... if you can afford it.
And, very good BBs aren't that expensive. LOL


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I'm not finding any pics with the peepsight on my 760.

April 22 2017, 7:24 PM 

I might put the sight back on the 760 though, if so, I'll post a pic.

 
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What I Need is Some Knowledgeable Advice on What Will Work

April 22 2017, 8:23 PM 



    
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Yes, that is what I was refering to as a muzzle weight and

April 22 2017, 10:31 PM 

is what I used. The pin post unscrews and can be replaced with a taller or shorter pin (usually available on ebay also, as is a blade type made to replace the pin) as needed to work with the Williams WGRS-54 or either of the two Williams sights I mentioned earlier.

http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Accessories/Open_target_sights/69

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcrosman+sight+pin.TRS0&_nkw=crosman+sight+pin&_sacat=0

 
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Williams WGRS-54 ... Eliminated From Consideration - No Airgun` Retailer Lists the Sight

April 22 2017, 11:54 PM 

Odd, I don't see the Williams WGRS-54 listed at the Pyramy Air site?!?!?!
Neither at the Airguns of Arizona site.
Nor at the Airgun Depot site.
And, not even at the Crosman Custom Shop site.

This being the case ... I guess, I'll eliminate the WGRS-54 from consideration.
Hmmm, I guess there's a reason for this.

For my 760, I'm inclined to go with the AR-15 system.
To stay compatible with my Daisy 953 sights.
My initial choice of AR-15 sights was to assist in my qualification/familarization training
for my annual marksmanship certification.
Being comfortable with an AR-15 sight picture while I'm plinking/informal target shooting
in my backyard ... I'm thinking ... will prove to be an asset to me.

However, for the kids ... I think a more conventional sights might better appeal to them.

John Thomas ... what sight combination would YOU prefer/recommend?
And, what version for the rear sight ... high or low line of sight?
Please provide a specific website link if you would - I'd appreciate it very much.
So, there would be no doubt what I should purchase.


    
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Photo of 760 with Williams WGRS-54 and Higher Front Sight

April 23 2017, 6:48 PM 

So, I found proof-positive that a Williams WGRS-54 receiver sight can be mounted on a 760.
However, a taller front sight than the OEM blade is required.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1374449522/FS-+Four+Crosman+rifles



    
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