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U.S.M.C
Rank: e-3, Lance Corporal
Unit: Abilene DYESS AFB
MOS: motor transportation mechanic
June 2006 - present, gonna be active as soon as my application comes through, then from there i am gonna give it all i got to get in the Naval Academy.
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as alot of IDF combat soldiers who finished their service and are in reserves, I am sergeant major.
served in a reconnaissance company of one of the Israeli armoured brigades from 97 to 00.
I now serve in a reserves reconnaissance company of a reserves armoured brigade.
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dan how many years did it take to achieve a rank that high? Here in canada most NCOs spent a whole career without getting promoted to a platoon lvl NCO.
Normaly it takes about 8 years to be promoted to sergent in the CF and 4 year minium to be promoted to a coporal(the next highest rank to privet grunts).
Is it normal for IDF reserveist (who did their time in the regular forces) to rank that high.?
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The ranks and the ranks ladder are very different in the IDF than other militaries, paradoxically I might also be losing my rank description here in translation because I am translating it literally. I found a site that defined my IDF rank as staff sergeant.
I received my currant rank after a few years in reserves, I did go through commanding courses, such as recon NCOs and a crush course for reconnaissance commanders, but in the long run that doesnt influence advancing in ranks in the IDF.
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This message has been edited by DesertBlue on Sep 15, 2007 3:33 PM
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when you enter the IDF you are a private like in all militaries, concidering the position or job description of soldiers in the military once their basic trainings are finished they receive the rank of corporal wich is mainly a symbolic rank, once you have done sergeants course or after advanced professional training the soldier receives the rank of sergeant, after about a year of receiving the rank of sergeant the soldiers become first sergeants. that is the rank that I finished my service with, in the last year and 4 months of my military service I served (most of it) in my unit's sergeants team, wich is the operational team of the unit, allthough 'younger' teams are involved in operational activity as well. after serving in reserves for a few years I received another rank advancement.
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This message has been edited by DesertBlue on Sep 16, 2007 8:36 PM
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I'm not sure what you meant with powers, but no offense, but I'll feel secured having served in the IDF, with IDF's NCO'S or CO's watching my back over other soldiers of the world, the training and the experience of IDF soldiers is vital, where is many western militaries may have good training but no chance to test it or improve it through actual experience. the commanders and officers were always top notch when it came to professionalism, leadership and actual function when the situation demanded it. the same goes for the 'ordinary' soldiers that served with me.
In combat units of the IDF the rank of a squad leader is sergeant. in my unit's case it meant completing a one year and 8 months of training wich at the end you received the rank of sergeant and received the pin of the unit, after that period from the soldiers who finished the training there were fighters who would function as squad leaders for new recruits, training them through 6 months of basic training and then either going back to serve as fighters in the unit, or becoming a staff sergeant for more new recruits.
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This message has been edited by DesertBlue on Sep 17, 2007 6:47 PM
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what i meant hasn't got anything to do with how good their training are.
It more about the rank system in IDF. Since you told me everyone out of basic get promoted to coporals so i guess the majority of the IDF ranks are NCOs.
That to me defeats the purpose of NCO since pretty much all people in your army are NCOs.
This message has been edited by Jamal-Waleed on Sep 19, 2007 7:10 PM
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I also said that corporal is a symbolic rank. combat soldiers do not wear this rank on their uniform. it has nothing to do with being NCO's, like I said I am translating the ranks literally and not necessarily in equivalence. a corporal for example would never command soldiers, it simply phasing out of being a rookie.
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[when you enter the IDF you are a private like in all militaries, concidering the position or job description of soldiers in the military once their basic trainings are finished they receive the rank of corporal]
-That's pretty interesting. During our basic training we are considered the rank of "Private, Recruit" with no chevron. Once basic training (and trade courses) are complete and we are qualified soldiers, we obtain the rank of Private and carry one chevron on our epolete (sp?). (depending on which trade you are, Armour it's Trooper, Artillery is bombardier, Engineer it's Sapper etc)... Corporal doesn't come until you have a few years experience and prove yourself to be a competent soldier.
[In combat units of the IDF the rank of a squad leader is sergeant.]
-I'm assuming you are referring to the infantry? It's pretty much the same here. Our platoon leaders are usually a Sargent. The platoon is divided into sections, and each section leader is usually a Master Corporal or a Corporal (assuming the Corporal is a switched on soldier)
[where is many western militaries may have good training but no chance to test it or improve it through actual experience.]
-I know what you mean. The CF went through that for awhile during our time in Bosnia. People were getting "operational experience" but no real combat experience. With Afghanistan, we are getting NCO's and Officers coming back with actual combat experience and our training has changed drastically since then. They are bringing back their combat experience and adapting it to current theaters of operation.
Thanks for the info on the IDF. I find it interesting learning about foreign militaries and how they function.
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platoon commanders are usually captians (regular force) or lieutants (my case). Platoon 2ic are usually a warrent officers.
Next at section level we have sergent as commander with master coporal as 2ics.
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I got a question, is it possible for infantry trades to get on a armored recce trades course? Are there any non armored recces in your trades course?
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Im glade I could help. in the casethat the IDF will change some day from a mandatory based service to completely being a professional military, the ranks system will undergo a change.
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[I got a question, is it possible for infantry trades to get on a armored recce trades course? Are there any non armored recces in your trades course?]
-On my trade course, it was all Armoured Recce. There were no infantry (or anyone else)
Our trade course wasn't even too "in depth" in terms of the whole "armoured recce" trade. We learned how to drive our recce vehicle, maintain and operate its radio and weapons, we did an assortment of different driving types in different terrains, we learned the basics in AFV Recognition and did a comms course.
Not until I passed my trade course and started training directly with the regiment did we learn the nitty gritty aspect of Armoured Recce. After joining the regiment, we were given a DP2 armoured recce course. There is where we learned the in's and out's of the trade itself (stealth, advanced recce equipment -ie: thermal recce equipment/NVG's, day and night patrolling, recce tactics, etc) as well as other roles of the armoured corps (convoy escorts, road blocks, vehicle control points, checkpoints, etc)
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ok thanks for the info, I got one more question. One of my buddy just signed up for the reg forces. He picked armored as his trade and really wanted to be a tank crewman. Do you know weather or not you get a say in which vehicle you get to operate? Here in infantry you get to pick which regiemnt you want to go and i wonder if thats the case with armored as well.
PS: RCD is mostly armored recce and Lord Strathconas Horse is more tank heavy right? or is it the other way around?
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IIRC, when joining, you have a preference to where you want to be stationed, but it all comes down to you being stationed where they need soldiers the most.
You might want to tell your buddy to ask the CFRC though, just to be sure.
And yes, RCD is more recce (with the Coyote) where as LSH is the heavy armour (Leopard tanks)
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I understand by your message that you are a corperal and soon to be ''second lieutenent'', i myself (in ireland) am in the reserves and planning on going to colledge and getting an officer degree, with an extra 2% onto marks because of my time in the reserves, but, Is it actualy possible to get to a second lieuenent without a degree from a corperal??? I understand Canada might be different, but if so, could you please reply. Thanks.
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yes you have to be at least working on a university degree in order to be commisioned. But everything changes when you join the regular forces. One of my buddy was a commisioned 2LT in the reserves now his just a plain privet in the reg force.
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Now THAT I dont understand. I know the forces implimented a Total Force policy where certain leadership/advanced courses are done with Reg/Reserve combined (a couple of buddies did their field portion of their MCPL course with reg force guys awhile ago)
I imagine it's the same with Officers. There is a 2LT from our regiment in Afghanistan right now. He was given command of a troop.
I have never heard of officers losing their comission when doing a component transfer to the regs..
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He didn't lose his commasion. He just got fed up with the amount of time and extra trouble it takes for him to transfer to the reg force with his rank and signed the contract as a privet instead. Anyway officer training is a lot different in the reserves. Reg force's phase training makes reserve officer training look like kindergarden.
For NCMs there is the usual 1 rank demotion unless you get lucky.
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im a naval cadet in the canadian forces reserves. army equivilant is an officer cadet. Ill be promoted to Acting Sub Leutenant (2LT) when i graduate form university in 2 years.
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What is it Naval reserves do on exercise? How often do you guys train, and on what types of ships do you guys train on? I have always been curious of that, especially Naval reservists who live in (for the most part) land locked provinces.
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"What is it Naval reserves do on exercise? How often do you guys train, and on what types of ships do you guys train on? I have always been curious of that, especially Naval reservists who live in (for the most part) land locked provinces."
training is usually 3 tuesday nights 7-10 pm) and a full saturday (9-5) every month. or 4 tuesday nighs a month (7-10pm).
to be honest, i just got in, so i dont know how much or what we do. ill be doing major stuff after my training and all. but usually you either get lectures or just practice your basic skills.
naval reserves usually work on Kingston class ships 30-40 crew). the idea is to have a part time combat ready naval force at the disposal in case of an emergency. usually, your unit bulding is considered your ship.
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Experience - Signals section, Mortars platoon, anti tank platoon, MG platoon, Recce/sniper platoon.....
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