Who do you think is the best and why???? P.I.R.A?? R.I.R.A??? I.N.L.A??? Hezzbollah???? Al Queda??? etc etc please let me know.

For me it has to be the I.R.A (irish republican army).

Reasons being:


1: They wiped out the british assasination squad in one night with their own hit squad.
2: They maintained a strong fighting force against british forces enflicting heavy casualtys on them.
3: They staged an upriseing that started the new fight for irish freedom.
4: With no tanks, planes, and barely weapons our ammo, they were much superior than the british forces.
5: They had widespread support.
6: they had excellant information from infiltrators.
7: They revived the gailic language and culture.
8: They protected irish people's.
9: They survived a civil war against free state forces, although they lost, they maintained and got stronger.
10: They waged a war on the streets of britain.

There activity went quite dureing the 30's, since there formation in 1914.

11: They resumed fighting in northern ireland, what became known as the ''border campaign''.
12: Dureing the late 50's it went quite.
13: After the massaccree of irish civil rights protestors, another campign erupted that would late 32 years.
14: A more militaristic force emerged and split from the ( Offical I.R.A) thus the provsional I.R.A was formed.
15: massive british casualtys were inflicted in Northern ireland, which was about fifth the size of Nebraska in america, or a seventh of the size of texas.
16: The I.R.A were an unseen army, striking, and then moving on.
17: Decamated british barracks, buildings etc with constant bombings.
18: The I.R.A were a volunteer force of everyday men who masterd the arts of warfare, and outwitted the british empire. These men were simple, painters, plumbers, postmen, constuction workers, lawyers etc etc.
19: after a while, parts of Northern ireland were too dangerous to travel through.
20: British transport was only allowed in the form od helicopters.
21: The british had over 20,000 men in northern ireland, against around 300 ''active'' volunteers who freely faught extrem,e succesfully.
22: Unlike any army before, they rocked the foundstions of britain with massive bombings.
23: an hour after the peace talks ened in failure the first time massive bombs ricked londer even another time.
24: britain once againn begged for pieace.
25: Pieace was taken by the P.I.R.A, but still the R.I.R.A and the C.I.R.A and the I.N.L.A are very active.

britain once againn begged for pieace."
you do realise the Brits had the RA so throughly penetrated and co-opted that the IRA couldn't function properly, for **** sake the Brits controlled the head of the RA's internal security unit.....what hopefully endedall this **** was the Brits are tired and the IRA can't function, btw you as an aspiring member of the IDF should know this, the IRA is dispised in the PDF.....so you might want to A reconsider your political ideals or B choose a different job


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

A... Something makes me thing your an irish american???? not just the photo, honestly you senesless opionions that make me feel you think you know what your talking about, but dont.


If you were REALLY irish. ( dosent include being 1 3rd, or having an irish friend, or if you visited ireland for the summer,.............)

I do not know how to approch your comment because it makes no sense. The IRA bombed london after the first pieace talks failed. They drove away foreign investors. Plus they had a majorly strong fighting force that funtions perfectly well.

Of course the brits shoot aload of UNARMED SUSPECTED/ACTIVE IRA members , such as the loughall massacree, and the gibralter three.

In the loughall massaccre, the IRA were driveing a bomb in a digger, along with a van full of eight volunteers. The SAS had an ambush layed out from every direction. Without warning they opened up on the IRA men inside the van killing everyone. In the ambush, witness's (locals) said that two IRA men put up there hands, but where shot dead. Then five minutes later, a civilian car was ambushed in which two brothers were shot multiply times, the car was riddled. One brother survived. These men were under no suspicion, but still shot upon???? MUDER.....

Gibralter (which is under UK controll) : the ira sent over 3 members (including the famous mairead farrell). The day before there planned bomb attack on a brit post they walked down the street. The brits were told of the plan by an infiltrator (later caught and exacuted). The three walked down the road unarmed getin familier with the streets. British soilders guned one down. The other, mairiead, ran to warn her comrade who was in the next street. As she ran to him she was shot and fell into his arms. He put up his hands and shouted ''stop''. The brits shot still and killed them both. The brits said they held bombs, (court ruled out), so they then said they held remote detonators (court ruled out), and the killers still got away. They broke the generva convention, and also, by not recognising the IRA as an army, they also broke the geneva convention stating that (not for word for word) , an organisation fighting oppressors on their own soil is taken to be an army''. marget thatcher broke the geneva convention by leting ten brave hunger strikers die.

The IRA got them back by wiping out 19 of the queens own forces in an excellant ambush. What happened was,

A convoy came under attack. nine brits were shot and killed. The queens own forces were brought in a helicopter. The IRA anticapted the helicopters landing spot and layed bombs. The copter blew up and ten more were killed.

Of course the brits were forced for peace, as they did in the 60's and 70's beg for pieace. They were under immense pressure. remember, that the brits couldent travel by road at one stage. But the IRA was winning with ''gurilla tactics'' and were winning the ''proganda war'', like the americans in vietnam there were geting to pressureised and casualty count was inacceptable and something had to be done.

You should try to read some books to understand it all. I recommend, Secret history of the IRA/ provos, sinn fien, IRA/ micheal collins/joe cahill life in the IRA/rebel hearts/bloody sunday/ the trouble.

Roger the Plonker.

Man you just posted a whole page of complete nonsense.

I've rarely read so much innaccurate rubbish in all my worthless Brit life.

Theres only one part of what you said that makes any sense ''your worthless brit life''

Son I'll start slowly ok, 1 I'm Irish not Irish American, Candian British or what ever, I was born in Limerick, raised in Clare and have lived all of my life in this Country....and I still say your talking balls, the IRA in the 90's couldn't even function co-operativly, the South Armagh Brigade CO refused to work with the Belfast OU for most of the late 90's because they were so co-opted, thats the 2 most operationally experienced and capable units and they couldn't work together,
Freddie Scappadici the head of the ISU was an SS agent for 20 bloody years!, to put that in prospective for you, that would be like the Soviets controlling the head of the FBI, you control someones internal security apparatus you control almost anything, Denis Donaldson Sinn Fein bigwig work for them for 20 years too.....thats 2 senior guys there are proably as many if not more of that seniority still in play and a hell of lot more lower down, whether you want to believe it or not, the IRA was functionally clapped out


The things in Gib and the hit on the 7 man OU have nothing to do with the IRA's ceasing effectivness in the mid to late 90's, I'd seriously advise you to read some books and not get your history from Sinn fein BS and wolfe tones songs


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

In the loughall massaccre, the IRA were driveing a bomb in a digger, along with a van full of eight volunteers. The SAS had an ambush layed out from every direction. Without warning they opened up on the IRA men inside the van killing everyone. In the ambush, witness's (locals) said that two IRA men put up there hands, but where shot dead. Then five minutes later, a civilian car was ambushed in which two brothers were shot multiply times, the car was riddled. One brother survived. These men were under no suspicion, but still shot upon???? MUDER.....

The IRA got them back by wiping out 19 of the queens own forces in an excellant ambush. What happened was,"
Got them back?...this iasn't a effing game you know, the IRA killed more Irish soldier and GS officers then the Brits did, or is that an inconvient part of the glorious history they have?, they are as much enemies of the Republic as they were to the Britsh, how dare they presume to call themselves Óglaigh na hÉireann and call everyone in the one true Irish defence forces traitors, with their balls up plan to turn Irealnd into to some sort of 1 party Hibernian version of Cuba, oh was that not in the pamphlet? did you imagine that if they got the !1 Ireland! they so wanted they'd stop there?, you see the plan wasn't for a 1 country deal, it was a 1 country deal run by them....wake the **** up...they only problems is we didn't have a few Loughall's down South and thing the bastards ranks out in Limerick and Kerry, barstool republican gob****es, make sure that you make you views known to your Plt Sgt or Cm Sgt he/she will politly show you the door


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

Yes, of course they were penetrated by many infiltrators. But for the most part, they worled under different command's which helped them be safe from infiltrators. But it had changed later in the war.

Secondly, my views are not involved in the army. I do what i am told and that is it. I know a few republicans within the irish army.

You should be ashamed. You are a disgrace and i call it shamefull to call you and irishman.

And if i were you, i would not be sprouting anti-irish sentiments.Because IRA soilders will hear, and they wont show you the door, they'll put a bullet in the back of yere head

Right, son, a couple of point's, one, the only anti Irish person on here is you, supporting a bunch of clowns who would have gladly sold this country out to the Germans in WW I and II just to see the back of the Brit's, the IRA were supremely good at killing unarmed mothers of children and kneecapping teenagers, oh and "Slab" Murphy did not get that cute nickname by being a rock of the community, and nor did he use his "gift" on any British soldiers no.
he honed that "gift" on the legs of people who wouldn't pay protection money, an organisation full of sociopaths, pyschopaths and some of them just plain old killers, the glorious RA, while the footsoldiers were out doing their thing and getting killed "Slab" became a multi millionaire (BTW he had no hesitation in killing other IRA members if they dared question what he was doing with "company" funds, you should head to Spain and see the villa he built with the blood money, Gerry Adams who has never worked a Day in his life owns 3 pub's Freddie Scappatici was into the coke trade ect ect (he also didn't care if it was nasty Loyalists or pure as driven snow Republican estates he sold it in"
,Booby Snads yes glorious dead martyr, who'd kill you as soon as look at you if thought you were not on his side
so spare me the myth of a ****ing organised gang no different to the mob or the yardies, cloaking themselves in the flag like some effing Balkans *******


and 2, save the idle threats for the RA's fan club meetings son, your pissing up the wrong tree.


Now **** off back to the whole your squealed out of with that load of hypocritical ****e you've dredged up....I'm done here with you


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

You make me sick to my stomach that you'd put on the uniform of the military of my Country you sycophantic little gob****e.


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

Your a traitor to your country, her heros, and her history.

Where was the free staters when catholics were being burned out of their homes and unable to work for fear of there lives??????

What makes an army??? why are armys relavent???? to fight dumbass.... fight for a reason. You made a senseless remark about german's and irish co-opertation during ww1 and ww2, your are repherring to ''roger casement'' and ''project kataleen'' dureing ww2.

During world war one, there was nothing wrong with sideing over a country AGAINST the brits, it made more sense. There werent ''inviteing'' the germans in, in ww1, they were allieing. When you mock and blindly accuse the IRA 0f the 1916 era, you mock the very men that made the very army you are in. Who do you think wa your first commanding officer??? you think we got this bit of freedom because we were good???? how old are you really??? 10.....9....

In ww2 the germans were scum, and i see why you would be upset over this. But you see, it is no big deal. They were not planning to give germany ireland, or anything like that, obviously. They were just asking for weapons, and tradeing information. There help would have not made any difference for germany. ALSO, they did not know how crazy hitler was, so to them it was fine allying with germany. I myself hold no grudge against the OFFICAL ira for doing so, without knowing the extent of hitlers madness.

But remember little confused boy, this was the offical ira and not the provos, who broke away from the more marxists offical ira of the 50's, 60's, and even 40's. The provos were different


You say the IRA were good at killing civies and children?? of course they killed a few by mistake, mabye 300, around that, over a period of 30 years. And it think, even you know, and can accept, that they gave wanrings, even brits admit that.

Hadent the americans bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, how many children do you think they killed????? 15000, 25000, ?????? and they were just children. They gave no warning's. Wasent it just, collateral damadge to them??
The mei ling massacree in vietnam (among others).
Did you hear of the shelter holsing hundreds of women and children was bombed in iraq???? how far has the death toll risen now, how many civies have/are being killed by brit scum, and blinded americans????? BLOOD FOR OIL, is it really worth it???? you tell me!!!!!!!!


So grow up you little confused boy, your brave now because you think the IRA are gone, but the fact is, there merely taking a break..............

And dont be acting the brave man. Or dat bullet wont be long coming. How dare you speak of bobby sand slike that you inbred son of a bitch. Your not irish, GIVE ME ONE THING THAT MAKES YOU IRISH. Youve been reading too much british propaganda. So **** you you british **** and **** your country england your english pieace of ****

Thanks for proving me right, I knew you wouldn't be able to resist going off.....sad child, very sad

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Do you know who this women is?.....well I'm sure in all the wonderful pro-RA nonsense you read, her name is not mentioned, it is Jean McConville, she was a mother of 10, her "crime" the IRA claimed was that she was an "informer"....do you know what her crime was in the little thing we normal humans call "reality"?

....she put a pillow under the head of an dieing 18 year old British soldier, so 1 night 4 men came knocking on her door, her son answered and said hero's of the Irish people pushed him aside and took his mother, when the oldest son said he was going with her, the brave defenders of our people said they were only taking her away to "question" her and to calm her panicking children they said he could come, half way to their van they pulled a gun on him and threatend to kill him unless he went back (he was a teenage boy BTW)

...fearlessy the 4 men of Ulster dragged a small women away, they then worked her over for perhaps 2 days, know one knows for sure (you know what "worked over" means right I don't wan't you to have comfy thoughts of cocoa and creative writing sessions), they then but a bullet in her head, do you know what a bullet does to a human head, I do, and only a sick psychopath would do it....so anyway, the "men" of the IRA denied ever having seen never mind done anything to this Mother of 10 children, untill 1999, 27 years after they had murdered this women who's compassion for a young man dieing on the side of the road was apperently a warrent for death, her children only got their mother back in 2003 when her body was dug out of beach in Louth, they'd tossed her in a hole like you would an animal....and she was just one of the people they dissappeared.


I want you to read this, absorb it into your soul just as deeply as this percieved hatred or the Brits is, I want you to remember this


and this is the last time I will be responding to you ever, maybe you'll grow up and neck up, maybe not, your choice


Fair winds......
Dauntless sons of Celtic sires
Whose souls the love of freedom fires,
Hark! ev'ry harp to war inspires
On Cader Idris side.
See the brave advancing,
See the brave advancing,
Each well-tried spear
Which Saxons fear,
In warlike splendour glancing.
Proud Harlech from her frowning tow'rs
Pours forth her never failing pow'rs.
Rouse, heroes, glory shall be ours,
March on, your country's pride!

The Brits truly are masters in espionage, counter-espionage etc.
The two sole irishmen of the forum are fighting each other, the brits must truly have a gift for the tactic divide&conquer




Chill out dudes, the fight is over it's time to use the political way.


Mobile airpower

"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

i think Hezzbollah is got to top this list.

The Colombian FARC´s

Hezbollah with out a mother fvcking doubt in hell...

they defeated israel in electronic warefare, and on the battle field, israel sent its best golan troops in to lebenon and they came back in boy bags, hezbollah even had their own fvckin dronzes buzzing above israeli positions,throughout the war not only did hezbollah maintain secure communications (via fiber optic wires) but they also listened into IDF mobile conversations and knew their troop movements...

hezbollah even managed a direct hit on an israeli ship, there is no doubt that israel is up there with one of the most powerful and hi-tech armies, but THE HEZ made them look like headless chickens, it was because of this that israel had to reconsider it defence chiefs...

The IRA and FARC cannt even stand next to THE HEZ in terms of sophistication, command, loyalty, training, Equipment, and Reputation, Hezbollahs soldier to civilian kill ration is by far the best, they can safely say that they bagged more IDF troops than israeli civilians.


2nd is the chechen rebels

3rd is TAMIL TIGERS

4th is THE ISLAMIC ARMY OF IRAQ

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How bout the boers? the ones who started it in that century and were so succesfull the british invented concentration camps to win

The best Guerrilla fighters have been the Boers and the Viet Kong. These two are the masters of true Guerrilla warfare, they pioneered the strategy.

The Boers brought to us the whole premise of Guerrilla warfare, they pioneered the art of 'Commando' warfare.

The Viet Kong brought into a total war situation and showed us that they can even bring the greatest powers to their knees through sheer will and determination.

Other big mentions go to the Partisans, World War 2 specifically who influenced Ho Chi Min by showing what armies out of uniform can achieve. The Yugoslav, Russian, Polish, French, etc



Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

I would have to say the VC. Forget Hezbollah, the VC defeated the strongest military in the world.

"I would have to say the VC. Forget Hezbollah, the VC defeated the strongest military in the world".

Actually the VC got their arses handed to them by US forces during the TET offensive in 1968 and basically ceased to exist as a effective seperate fighting force from then on.

Don't get me wrong i'm not saying that the VC were not a capable geurilla organisation, they clearly were in many ways. Their main force units were often (although not always) very capable indeed.

However the fact of the matter is that the main enemy of US forces in Vietnam after 1967, and to a large extent before that, was the North Vietnamese Army. Certainly the heavy fighting that took place in the north and west of South Vietnam (in particular "the year of the big battles", 1967) was on the whole carried out by the NVA.

VC got their asses handed to them because that was the nva's plan.
they used them as cannonfodder by concentrating those forces on the american position holding the nva units in reserve.

every guerilla know better then to concentrate their forces against a regular army because then they can be annihilated real easy.

nva did this for politival reasons: prevent an independent southern political leadership being formed after the unification.

Yeah i agree.

Yeah , I agree too with VC.The things they've done to US in Vietnam cant be forgotten.

1.vc

2.mujahadeen

Colombian farc and nla
suffer little casualties, have a massive budget, and 20 000 gorillas in line ,an equal match for the Colombian special forces.

''Colombian farc and nla
suffer little casualties, have a massive budget, and 20 000 gorillas in line ,an equal match for the Colombian special forces.''


yes ofcourse a greekcommunist thug will support other communist thugs...al Farc does is live in the jungle whilst columbian military assasinates their leaders...also they r involved in the drug trade and production in columbia..



VC suffered in to the ,millions of causaulties... just cus they killed many americans doesnt mean they r a good gurrila group..they killed many americans in the basis that they were massaced en mass...


hezbollah takes the trophy...they keep using inovations...like communications via fiber optic wireing between bvunkers and positions...thus making israels billion dallar jammers and eves dropping tech USELESS...

hezbollah took on one of the most advanced militarys in the middle east, and is now stronger than ever,,, they hit the israelis in Land sea and air... without suffering much causulties...


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