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Weapons of Mass Destruction
May 10 2004 at 8:37 AM
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Anonymous (Login Puma2)
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Hm there were chemical weapons in WW1
nuclear weapons in WW 2
and even biological weapons used by the Japanese against Chinese civil population Didn´t they spread cholera or so?
Now all these weapons are officially banned. But do you think they will be used in the future in a full scale war?
For Germany or Europe: Concerning the birthrate of 1 or two children I would say Europe cannot fight a big infantry war in the future. It would be suicide.
Look the Africans have 6 or 7 children. Even if a European soldier kills five of them in the end the sixth Africain soldier comes and kills the European
Same with China. Even if they kill 6 chinese and fight better in the end the seventh chinese has success
germany had to experience this in WW2 against the Sovietunion. Soviets had simply masses of people even they were poorly trained in the end the massive number was making victory
So personally I like conventional war more but if it is clear from the beginning that you have bad chance I think it is normal you think about alternatives
"Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd." Otto von Bismarck
Long live Nato and the EU and the Western world.
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Diunei Lingyen
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 10 2004, 10:18 AM
One could even argue that "WMD" existed even during ancient times, when an enemy saboteur would place dead carcasses into the well two weeks prior to an assault, in an attempt to kill/sicken large segments of the population via disease.
Depending on the parties involved, it would not surprise me if a technologically and/or a numerically inferior opponent uses WMD in the future, especially "Wal Mart nukes" like chem/bio weapons.
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NATO_Soldier
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NATO_Soldier
No score for this post May 10 2004, 12:02 PM
Huge Infatry Battles will be fought and won by the west, the east's soldiers are poorly trained and thats all that matters. I know that my rifle and my platoon's support, it would take a lot of eastern soldiers to overrun our position or for me to be killed. They either have to have insane amounts of infantry rushing my position or have to be more highly trained than me, and that kinda narrows it down, so i have faith in my country and my European allies.
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Diunei Lingyen
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 10 2004, 5:18 PM
Don't be so over confident about the Western armies training, I have seen some pretty crappy exercises and methods. And don't be so quick to dismiss the training and experience of armies in the East neither. Whatever they might lack in training they make up for in experience. India and Pakistan, for example, have lots of experience. And Pakistan uses that experience to help train the PLA, which in turn has quite a bit of experience fighting triads and drug bandits in the southern jungles.
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Anonymous
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 11 2004, 9:22 AM
and even biological weapons used by the Japanese against Chinese civil population Didn´t they spread cholera or so?
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a bit of an understatement.. it is disgusting. China had 40 million casualties during ww2. i will dig out some articles after i get my internet exploreer working, im using mozilla.
I condemn the Imperialist - Christian genocide of the Iraqis , Native Americans , Muslims , Chinese , Vietnamese , Somalians , Koreans , .... and others in the Double faced - Disgusting imperialist empire also known as the West .
If its against us Asians, it is treated as a small matter, if the same Incident happens against the west it is an ASTROCITY
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NATO_Soldier
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NATO_Soldier
No score for this post May 12 2004, 1:09 AM
Countries like India/Pakistan/China that have a large population they do not have so much concern about casualties and now many they are taking.
Western armies are in smaller ammount but make up for it with tech. You think that Western countries do not have the experience that India has. The West has basically created the idea of how to wage war from the Mechanized era until right now.
You are right to a degree but i do not think the war will be waged in the jungle either. US already learned that lesson
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Anonymous
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 12 2004, 11:48 AM
What amkes you think we cannot develop ideas ourselves? you should know this yourself as most of todays 'modern' inventions are practically chinese medieval inventions made out of metal, lol. and now you think we CAN'T think. rofl, idiot. you westerners still believe that outdated colonial thought of westerners being better fighters? get to the 21st century. We are not in 1950 korean war, you have an outdated picture. i will like to see in a real battle, casualties will be even. anyway, since when have euro soldiers been so great? the last decent adversary was russia but no real fight, only threats. Iraq, a joke, the developed world versus some 3rd world country, rofl, that shows how 'daring' and 'courageous' americas commanders are. lol, you keep thinking that, rethink after we win.
Your tech is not even that good, not something i would rely on, after the cold-war you neglected all your programs which could have helped you into the future but were shelved by yourSELF. the irony... signing your own death warrant. all of a suddent, asia leaps up and you have nothing to fight us with. you are overstretched and already have budget cuts. ridiculous...
BTW, what amkes ytou think we don't care as juch about casualties? we are not sub-humans like you, maybe you should stop thinking like an idiot and being predjudiced against us, NATO. Our people matter to us too. we Do care. we are not selfish and self-orientated as you think we are.
I condemn the Imperialist - Christian genocide of the Iraqis , NAtive Americans , Muslims , Chinese , Vietnamese , Somalians , Koreans , .... and others in the Double faced - Disgusting imperialist empire also known as the West .
If its against us Asians, it is treated as a small matter, if the same Incident happens against the west it is an ASTROCITY
This message has been edited by Diunei on May 14, 2004 9:02 AM
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Anonymous
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 12 2004, 11:52 AM
btw, before you make another post which further shows your naivety, i suggest you look at some websites with some history in before you go around making stupid comments.
http://www.snowcrest.net/jmike/china.html
I condemn the Imperialist - Christian genocide of the Iraqis , NAtive Americans , Muslims , Chinese , Vietnamese , Somalians , Koreans , .... and others in the Double faced - Disgusting imperialist empire also known as the West .
If its against us Asians, it is treated as a small matter, if the same Incident happens against the west it is an ASTROCITY
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 12 2004, 3:37 PM
Some people from Western think they have been ALWAYS ahead of Asians, while the Truth is that most european countries have been Very backwards through the entire human history.
Europeans just popped up since English Industry Revolution, for 200 years, very short peak time. Withou Industry Revolution, I cannot imagine what euros now would be.
Other civilizations have been much greater than you guys, Today you may be better than us, Tomorrow definitely will Not.
I will surpass you again, rule you in near future (technically and economicall and culturely), Again, lol
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NATO_Soldier
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NATO_Soldier
No score for this post May 13 2004, 2:11 PM
Are you forgetting that we are all the same race? You talk about Western Techn being totally old fashion and out of date... Who built the airplane/spaceship/car/bike/train/modern weapons/computer!/ so dont tell me i am a naive person when you prolly do not serve yourself and have no comment on military.. Its like me commenting on space travel when i am not an astronaut and have not been so space...
This message has been edited by Diunei on May 14, 2004 9:04 AM
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 4:45 PM
Who built the airplane/spaceship/car/bike/train/modern weapons/computer!/
Man you should know Knowledge does not come from ONE particular moment. It is a accumulating process. Western first LEARNED much from Arabs and Asians then on top of these basic knowledge Western founded the many new knowledge and made birth to Industry Revolution and Bang West (England to be more accurate) leaded the World.
so dont tell me i am a naive person when you prolly do not serve yourself and have no comment on military.. Its like me commenting on space travel when i am not an astronaut and have not been so space...
If you think so then you are really naive. Tell you a good story about Chinese Xinjiang with 2 million SKM territory, it was conqured by a General Zuo ZhongTan from my hometown, who has NEVER been a Soldier. Now you know what Difference btw a plain soldier who knows his weapon very well and a Great General who command the plain soldiers?
This message has been edited by Diunei on May 14, 2004 9:06 AM
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 4:47 PM
Of course there have been Great Greek Empires, but Germans, forget it. Germany only came to world stage in 100 years, they tried their best to be empires, but they are always Big Losers like Hitler. And I am sure Germany will not start 3th World War, cuz they are NOT able to do it ANYMORE.
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Anonymous
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 6:06 PM
Hi I am new here and I am a Chinese in Hong Kong, excuse my language.
First, I wouldn't be bothered to fantasy about the future how great the Chinese would be, Westerner are more advanced nowadays, I'm glad that thing like computer was invented, and a Chinese came up a concept of Optical Cable, cheers.
Without the west, the world now would probably still be like in the eighteenth century. Yet the African, Indian, Australoid would be happier, The Chinese reached Africa before the westerner, to exchange friendships and cultures instead of taking slaves, we had had ships several times bigger than Columbus', ships that had watertight compartment(used in Titanic, it sunk anyway), ships that could sail into the wind(The same phenomena as why an airplane could fly, the pressure within a moving stream of air is less than the pressure of the air surrounding it, the westerner learned this later, called it Bernoulli's Law, it's how westerner names things after the inventors/discoverers, such non-practical/meaningless names. In the SARS case, westerner wanted to name the virus after the non-clinical doctor that died of SARS, we Chinese insist in calling it Coronaviruses virus, there were several Chinese clinical dr had died before him/her anyway), I can't imagine what if these Chinese ships get to America first. But we didn't, not because of we couldn't but we wouldn't, the Chinese was afraid to bring the "dangerous" outside world...not particularly the westerner, but the unknown to China, we stopped explorering, like you see in "Journey to the center of the Earth" or "Dinotopia", but the maps that Chinese brought to the west, eventually had brought intruders to China by sea way. Speaking of intruders, the Mongolian had the "right" for the first night of the brides like the English had on the Scottish(I've seen Braveheart), westerner missionary had had this right in China too, as late as the end of nineteenth century, so the Chinese people simply killed the first child that were born, please do not joke about it. The low education level of Chinese is the subsequence of inventions, Chinese had the earliest examination system, we always regard education, but then we became labors, unloading opiums from the harbor or being sold to the west to build railroads and dig gold, those are not our faults.(haven't seen The Sand Pabbles?)
I've seen westerner claim that coffee and tea are not inventions, saying that tea is just some blowing leaves in water, he would never feel thankful of the invention of it, yet the English didn't know how to blow it and accused that the Chinese had sold them bad/fake tea, stream machines are great but there are other inventions like silks,tea,china that made westerner jealous to start wars, inventions that you would consider trivial.
This message has been edited by ingenhk on May 13, 2004 11:29 PM
This message has been edited by ingenhk on May 13, 2004 6:25 PM
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 6:20 PM
ingenhk,
Welcome on board.
westerner missionary had had this right in China too, as late as the end of nineteenth century, so the Chinese people simply killed the first child that were born, please do not joke about it.
Where did you get this crap? lol
None was reported in Chinese history books.
How many missionaries were in China? Hundreds? Thousands? They tried to bring the Bible to China, not to take the "first night right" and they were not able to do that at all.
Please don't bring those kinds rubbish, thanks.
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John
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 6:27 PM
http://hk.geocities.com/hpkong98/c2.htm
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 6:30 PM
Come on, that page is just about some stories, or you can call them crimes conducted by some individuals, that's all.
Don't put it like the Missionaries were the Rules of China in 19th century. HongKong was ruled by Britain, NOT Whole China.
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John
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 6:59 PM
Ok, sorry,
but what do you mean by your last two sentences? there is difference between the two of them?
This message has been edited by ingenhk on May 13, 2004 7:00 PM
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 7:03 PM
Sorry mate too, I just want to put the Facts on table
Don't put it like the Missionaries were the Rules of China in 19th century. HongKong was ruled by Britain, NOT Whole China.
I mean:
1. They were just Missionaries who tried to bring Bible to China, they were NOT rulers of China. Only a Master can take the "first night right" to slaves. If Chinese were not slaves of the Missionaries, then please do NOT degrate the people to slaves's status.
2. China lost 2 wars to Britain therefore was forced to lease HongKong to Britain for 99 years, while China as a whole was not a colony of any other country, like India.
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Mike Murphy
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 7:23 PM
tell you what mao, I received an e-mail from a chinese member suggesting that this forum was western leaning. therefore, I ask that (since you think this is a racist thread) all administrators other than diunei not act as far as editing or deleting this thread. I ask that diunei have sole discretion over this thread in particular and any decisions regarding it be his and his alone.
this is not something that will necessarily occur often but I want to demonstrate to any chinese members who share the concern that one in particular does (as indicated in the e-mail) that this goes out of its way to demonstrate balance.
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HBN
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 7:29 PM
So, it is Mao
Mike,
I received an e-mail from a chinese member suggesting that this forum was western leaning.
I hope that emailer was not HBN, cuz I don't know if this is a racist thread cuz I didn't read the First Post at all, normally I treat Puma's post as rubbish not worth reading (sorry to be frank )
Btw, Mike you have done great job to this Forum, many of us will appreciate it.
Let's all just be open-minded, and enjoy the exchanges of views in the Forum.
This message has been edited by HBN2025 on May 13, 2004 7:33 PM
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Mike Murphy
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 13 2004, 7:38 PM
I wasn't going to mention (log in) names hbn but your above post confuses me because I received this from you after I privately attempted to solve an ongoing problem, remember?
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"Yes Mike, everyone should behave normally.
My problem with ILLYRIA has been solved.
But it seems if other people insults Chinese, no action is taken at all, quite double-standards.
I have been in this forum for quite a long time, did you ever see I started the Provocation? Never, I was everytime forced to counter-attack.
Why need to counter-attack? Some Mods permit others insulting, while forbit other particular forumers."
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therefore, I will ask diunei to handle this thread since a chinese member declared it racist. I certainly hope that no one quarrels with him if he allows it to remain active but of course he knows he (as well as other administrators) are free to make any decision they feel is best. I just ask that he have sole discretion over this particular thread.
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Diunei Lingyen
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 14 2004, 9:00 AM
I have unlocked the thread now and I have cleaned it up. My conclusion is this: Mao over-reacted and thought it was a flame (when I believe it wasn't) and NATO_Soldier reacted to Mao's "flame response." I have removed those two components.
Cheers!
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Anonymous
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 14 2004, 9:19 AM
To : The Racist Forum Idiot
Are you forgetting that we are all the same race...you are the racist one! You talk about Western Techn being totally old fashion and out of date... Who built the airplane/spaceship/car/bike/train/modern weapons/computer!/ so dont tell me i am a naive person when you prolly do not serve yourself and have no comment on military.. Its like me commenting on space travel when i am not an astronaut and have not been so space...
First of all Nato, if we are all the same race, why do you refer to us with a nationality? you are contradicting yourself so the first section of your argument makes no sense whatsoever. I never said western tech was out of date, i merely stated that they think they have reached a level at which they are not challenged by other nations. i feel that that is rather ironic seeing that in the next 30 years, USA and the west will be furious at themselves for these stop. the west has reached its zenith. time for history to take its course. Who built the aeroplane? the idea came from Leonado Da Vinci who was inspired by the chinese art of making kites. spaceship, basically started off with an oversized firework made of metal. CHinese idea. bike, rofl, i wont even bother to answer that. modern weapons? started off with bows, am i not corect? no hand to hand combat. then, you lose again. first it was the common bow, then to longbow crossbow etc. these were semi automatic you may call. the chinese dveloped what you would call an automatic crossbow, Cho Ku Nu which shows that we were the first to think of the idea. wrong again, my deluded friend. Why is it like you commenting oon space? nowadays with your so-called 'free press'cant you 'be in it!' with them? or are you implying you do not trust your own country? democracy has lost its trust. im guessing you mean 'to space' not 'so space'. anyway, ive answered for your first paragraph.
Asia leaps up... haha dont make me laugh... do you people still kill your 2nd son or daughter when born... do they still practice that.. that is called over population with low education for birth control there... And you think you have a more sophisticated culture... why do you think EU does not get invovled in war nowadays. becasue they are more sophisticated and believe problems can be resolved with words not bullets..
Make you laugh? are you actually admitting the sucess of american propoganda in your mind? you were led to believe what is wrong. what will not happen. lol, you westerners still think this will last forever? think again, you have only been here for 200 years and youre already tal;king history. thats sad. No we do not kill them, you ignorant fool, you still seem to see the same headlines after an incident which happened over 40 years ago. we do not practice anymore. only on occasions when a family already has 2 children. what do you mean by 'over population with low education by birth control there' are you saying we are uneducated? 78% of chinese are luterate which is an astounding figure seeing you have tried to restrain us for the last 2 centuries. also, you are stupid yet again. do you actually check your posts? becasue you say over-population' yet you say birth control. this is our method. how else can we stop it? better a positive population that one thats negative like yours. fewer babies is not a sign of greatness, there are many othger fields. this is one of the few where it is seen as you as the winner. I will see who the winner is in 50 years when the west is full of 50+ year old men. lol, welfare alone will cripple you. why do i think EU does not get in wars nowadays . tell me a war which they have been in. rofl, time to read history books you 'under population high education" idiot. anyway, since when did EU have an army? from what i herad, even when there is a european military command, it will not have its own forces. it will 'acquire' them like STRATCOM does in times of american crisis.ahh, now you say you are more sophisticated, lol. what wars have you seen us in within the last 50 years? none. at all. you can't talk. Members of the EU (EU you may call it) have regularly sending forces on the 10 annual iraq invasion. it gets funnier each time. last the first time, they doubled the iraqi army in size and were crack troops and commandos. lol. against 1 poor third-world country. ridiculous, you call it a 'challemge'. lol. WE are the ones who negotiate. we believe in diplomacy, not trigger happy generals thats you currently have.
I cant even imagine what this word would be like without the west.
You cant imagine that? is your brain full already? we know that wetsern students are the worst in the world. no will to learn. stupid, what they teach people at school.... well, you will see the world soon without the west within this century. you will live to see it and then we will see the world handed over to china on a silver platter.
BTW, please plan your replys, they are full of errors and contradictions. and a tip, dont make up statistics and 'facts' check up on them first.
I condemn the Imperialist - Christian genocide of the Iraqis , NAtive Americans , Muslims , Chinese , Vietnamese , Somalians , Koreans , .... and others in the Double faced - Disgusting imperialist empire also known as the West .
If its against us Asians, it is treated as a small matter, if the same Incident happens against the west it is an ASTROCITY
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Diunei Lingyen
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Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction
No score for this post May 14 2004, 9:54 AM
This is degenerating into a flame war and therefore this thread will be locked.
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To : The Racist Forum Idiot
Are you forgetting that we are all the same race...you are the racist one! You talk about Western Techn being totally old fashion and out of date... Who built the airplane/spaceship/car/bike/train/modern weapons/computer!/ so dont tell me i am a naive person when you prolly do not serve yourself and have no comment on military.. Its like me commenting on space travel when i am not an astronaut and have not been so space...
First of all Nato, if we are all the same race, why do you refer to us with a nationality? you are contradicting yourself so the first section of your argument makes no sense whatsoever. I never said western tech was out of date, i merely stated that they think they have reached a level at which they are not challenged by other nations. i feel that that is rather ironic seeing that in the next 30 years, USA and the west will be furious at themselves for these stop. the west has reached its zenith. time for history to take its course. Who built the aeroplane? the idea came from Leonado Da Vinci who was inspired by the chinese art of making kites. spaceship, basically started off with an oversized firework made of metal. CHinese idea. bike, rofl, i wont even bother to answer that. modern weapons? started off with bows, am i not corect? no hand to hand combat. then, you lose again. first it was the common bow, then to longbow crossbow etc. these were semi automatic you may call. the chinese dveloped what you would call an automatic crossbow, Cho Ku Nu which shows that we were the first to think of the idea. wrong again, my deluded friend. Why is it like you commenting oon space? nowadays with your so-called 'free press'cant you 'be in it!' with them? or are you implying you do not trust your own country? democracy has lost its trust. im guessing you mean 'to space' not 'so space'. anyway, ive answered for your first paragraph.
Asia leaps up... haha dont make me laugh... do you people still kill your 2nd son or daughter when born... do they still practice that.. that is called over population with low education for birth control there... And you think you have a more sophisticated culture... why do you think EU does not get invovled in war nowadays. becasue they are more sophisticated and believe problems can be resolved with words not bullets..
Make you laugh? are you actually admitting the sucess of american propoganda in your mind? you were led to believe what is wrong. what will not happen. lol, you westerners still think this will last forever? think again, you have only been here for 200 years and youre already tal;king history. thats sad. No we do not kill them, you ignorant fool, you still seem to see the same headlines after an incident which happened over 40 years ago. we do not practice anymore. only on occasions when a family already has 2 children. what do you mean by 'over population with low education by birth control there' are you saying we are uneducated? 78% of chinese are luterate which is an astounding figure seeing you have tried to restrain us for the last 2 centuries. also, you are stupid yet again. do you actually check your posts? becasue you say over-population' yet you say birth control. this is our method. how else can we stop it? better a positive population that one thats negative like yours. fewer babies is not a sign of greatness, there are many othger fields. this is one of the few where it is seen as you as the winner. I will see who the winner is in 50 years when the west is full of 50+ year old men. lol, welfare alone will cripple you. why do i think EU does not get in wars nowadays . tell me a war which they have been in. rofl, time to read history books you 'under population high education" idiot. anyway, since when did EU have an army? from what i herad, even when there is a european military command, it will not have its own forces. it will 'acquire' them like STRATCOM does in times of american crisis.ahh, now you say you are more sophisticated, lol. what wars have you seen us in within the last 50 years? none. at all. you can't talk. Members of the EU (EU you may call it) have regularly sending forces on the 10 annual iraq invasion. it gets funnier each time. last the first time, they doubled the iraqi army in size and were crack troops and commandos. lol. against 1 poor third-world country. ridiculous, you call it a 'challemge'. lol. WE are the ones who negotiate. we believe in diplomacy, not trigger happy generals thats you currently have.
I cant even imagine what this word would be like without the west.
You cant imagine that? is your brain full already? we know that wetsern students are the worst in the world. no will to learn. stupid, what they teach people at school.... well, you will see the world soon without the west within this century. you will live to see it and then we will see the world handed over to china on a silver platter.
BTW, please plan your replys, they are full of errors and contradictions. and a tip, dont make up statistics and 'facts' check up on them first.
I condemn the Imperialist - Christian genocide of the Iraqis , NAtive Americans , Muslims , Chinese , Vietnamese , Somalians , Koreans , .... and others in the Double faced - Disgusting imperialist empire also known as the West .
If its against us Asians, it is treated as a small matter, if the same Incident happens against the west it is an ASTROCITY 
