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Recipe for Disaster: The Formula That Killed Wallstreet

February 24 2009 at 5:22 PM
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Recipe for Disaster: The Formula That Killed Wallstreet

http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant

 
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Re: Recipe for Disaster: The Formula That Killed Wallstreet

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February 25 2009, 2:43 AM 

Exellent article.
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"Li can't be blamed," says Gilkes of CreditSights. After all, he just invented the model. Instead, we should blame the bankers who misinterpreted it. And even then, the real danger was created not because any given trader adopted it but because every trader did. In financial markets, everybody doing the same thing is the classic recipe for a bubble and inevitable bust."

Warrent Buffet says:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/11/news/newsmakers/varchaver_buffett.fortune/

Do you find it striking that banks keep looking into their investments and not knowing what they have?

I read a few prospectuses for residential-mortgage-backed securities - mortgages, thousands of mortgages backing them, and then those all tranched into maybe 30 slices. You create a CDO by taking one of the lower tranches of that one and 50 others like it. Now if you're going to understand that CDO, you've got 50-times-300 pages to read, it's 15,000. If you take one of the lower tranches of the CDO and take 50 of those and create a CDO squared, you're now up to 750,000 pages to read to understand one security. I mean, it can't be done. When you start buying tranches of other instruments, nobody knows what the hell they're doing. It's ridiculous. And of course, you took a lower tranche of a mortgage-backed security and did 100 of those and thought you were diversifying risk. Hell, they're all subject to the same thing. I mean, it may be a little different whether they're in California or Nebraska, but the idea that this is uncorrelated risk and therefore you can take the CDO and call the top 50% of it super-senior - it isn't super-senior or anything. It's a bunch of juniors all put together. And the juniors all correlate.

 
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Again from the article:

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February 25 2009, 2:54 AM 

Nassim Nicholas Taleb, hedge fund manager and author of The Black Swan, is particularly harsh when it comes to the copula ("Recipe or Formula, that killed WallStreet"). "People got very excited about the Gaussian copula because of its mathematical elegance, but the thing never worked," he says. "Co-association between securities is not measurable using correlation," because past history can never prepare you for that one day when everything goes south. "Anything that relies on correlation is charlatanism."

 
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Re: Recipe for Disaster: The Formula That Killed Wallstreet

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February 25 2009, 3:23 AM 


ZZ,

Good article.

Will

 
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