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Traveling to and in the US and your laptop

August 30 2009 at 7:27 PM
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The land of the free decided that they do not need any reason to take your computer or/and data.

The US Dept. of Homeland Security published a paper referring to new guidelines for its immigration and customs agents regarding how they may conduct border searches of travelers' computers and electronic media. Clarifying the existing law:

Agents may seize, detain, and/or retain individuals' PCs and media without having reason to suspect that those people or those machines and devices are connected with a crime.

"ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] Special Agents acting under border search authority may search, detain, seize, retain, and share electronic devices, or information contained therein, with or without individualized suspicion, consistent with the guidelines and applicable laws set forth herein," states the new policy for immigration authorities published last August 18, 2009. "Assistance to complete a border search may be sought from other Federal agencies and non-Federal entities, on a case by case basis, as appropriate."

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/ice_border_search_electronic_devices.pdf

The guidelines for Customs & Border Patrol (CBP) agents says pretty much the same thing, adding that whenever a CBP agent encounters technical trouble figuring out how a mechanism works, or what the meaning of some piece of information is, he can seek help from other US government sources. "In such situations, Officers may transmit electronic devices or copies of information contained therein to seek technical assistance from other federal agencies," reads the CBP guidelines.


http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cbp_directive_3340-049.pdf

What's been a subject of contention ever since the government tightened border inspection policies in the wake of 9/11 hasn't been so much agents' rights to act without suspicion (although for some, that already crosses the line) as the authority DHS grants them to transmit the information they find elsewhere, under the auspices of "seeking help." Both guidelines now state that agents may only seek help from other federal sources, but they are not explicit with regard to what level -- for example, whether a private consultant under retainer for the FBI would qualify.

In their assessment of the extent of the risks this clarified policy might pose to citizens' and visitors' personal privacy, published last August 25, 2009, both border agencies, acting jointly, identified six specific areas: "(1) travelers may need additional information regarding the authority [agents have] to conduct border searches; (2) the traveler may be unaware of the viewing or detention of his/her information by CBP and ICE; (3) personally identifiable information (PII) may be detained where it is not needed; (4) PII may be misused by CBP and ICE officers; (5) CBP and ICE may disclose PII to other agencies that may misuse or mishandle it; and (6) new privacy risks may arise as the technology involved in this activity is ever-changing."


http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_pia_cbp_laptop.pdf


In other words, individuals may not be fully informed as to the extent of agents' authority, and what safeguards there may be to protect identifying information from falling into the hands of someone who can misuse it -- the privacy threat here being that the traveler may not know what the threat really is. The solution, DHS asserts, is by making that information about the private information that could be misused, public -- specifically, by publishing it in the Federal Register.

Under the heading, "Principle of Transparency," the DHS report explains, "When ICE or CBP retain information from electronic devices, that information may be subject to the requirements of the Privacy Act. The Privacy Act requires that agencies publish a System of Records Notice (SORN) in the Federal Register describing the nature, purpose, maintenance, use, and sharing of the information. This PIA and the several SORNs published by DHS provide notice of the retention of PII at the border and the retention of some of the contents of electronic devices."

So at the very least, an explanation of the events surrounding the detention or seizure of travelers' computers may be available online to those travelers (along with everyone else) on GPOAccess.gov. However, the Department goes on to say, the extent of the information shared online this way may be limited, especially with regard to how much the detained information is being shared, as well as with whom. This is for the good of any investigation that may arise.

"Because notifying the traveler of the sharing of information could impede an investigation or other law enforcement or national security efforts, CBP and ICE do not make the information sharing process fully transparent to the public," the report states. "To ensure the protection of personal data without compromising the investigation, CBP and ICE have instituted strict oversight and review processes. Generally speaking, information, including PII, will be shared with other agencies where CBP and/or ICE require subject matter expertise, decryption, or translation."

Those oversight and review processes will make the sharing of that information with other agencies legal and permissible under the Privacy Act of 1974.

So Travelers beware

 
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It is more than what you think.

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August 30 2009, 8:41 PM 

http://www.sun2surf.com/article.cfm?id=34925

Four foreigners detained after drugs found in laptop computer.

KUALA LUMPUR (June 22, 2009) : An Indonesian couple, a Pakistani man and an Indian woman, aged between 28 and 48, were arrested on suspicion of being involved in drug trafficking during a raid on a luxury condominium in Jalan Ampang Hilir, here on Friday.

Head of the Kuala Lumpur Narcotics Crime Investigation Department, ACP Kang Chez Chiang said that during the raid at 10.30 pm, police seized six plastic packets containing heroin while some of the drugs were hidden in the battery compartment of a laptop computer.

"The heroin weighed a total of 2.8kg and estimated to be worth more than RM200,000," he told reporters at the Kuala Lumpur Police Headquarters today.

He said police also seized cash totaling RM6,045, USD1,000 and Indonesian Rupiah 845,000 as well as six handphones of various brands.
Kang said the group, who were believed to have been trafficking drugs for the last six months, were also the first group to hide the drugs in laptop computers.

"Preliminary police investigation revealed that the Pakistani man works as a clothes salesman in the Klang Valley while his Indian national girlfriend is unemployed.

"The Indonesian man worked as a dance teacher in Indonesia while his wife was a singer there," he said.

The seized heroin were believed to have been smuggled from Pakistan and Afghanistan to be sold in the Indonesian market.


 
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Sufir Dracon
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they had a reason

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August 30 2009, 9:05 PM 

The difference is that the Indonesian police had a reason, in the US they do not even need a reason to take your laptop and frankly when you read the underlying texts if they screen your computer and damage it, tough luck by a new one at your own expenses, never mind that you neither gave cause, nor reason beside the fact that on impulse the agent want to look at your laptop.

 
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Re: Traveling to and in the US and your laptop

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August 31 2009, 12:04 PM 

http://www.dassaultfalcon.com/7x/

Problem solved..

Whats next?

JW


 
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Or, this may be an alternative option

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August 31 2009, 12:12 PM 



    
This message has been edited by privateinvestors from IP address 76.167.222.92 on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 PM


 
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Message should have read...

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August 31 2009, 12:16 PM 

"It is all based on one's budget"


 
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Re: Traveling to and in the US and your laptop

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August 31 2009, 12:59 PM 

I had tea come out of my nose..

Thanks Tony!

Be well, JW


 
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wow

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August 31 2009, 2:01 PM 

Thanks Sufir,
Man, that info is really scarey!!!
Good info to know before going to London again!!!

All the best,
Mike

 
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Sufir Dracon
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funny, but

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August 31 2009, 8:54 PM 

PI and Workman, funny .......I don't know, may be you will react different if it is your turn to get your laptop taken and returned as a ruin by a shoulder shrugging agent, ah never mind its the price that you pay for feeling safe, just ..... safe from whom... when does the citizen of the land of the free gets frightened by the price his own government charges? I have been lucky enough to always encounter policemen and customs agents which have been reasonable, looking at the regulations in the US I guess thats over

 
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Re: Traveling to and in the US and your laptop

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August 31 2009, 8:58 PM 


Sufir,

I have had no problems at all.

The authorities profile potential problems travelers and if anyone

feels that they are within the profile match, then avoid carrying

anything that may contain electronis info that they feel that they may lose.

There again, if a short scan of the info, and there is no warranted material

in it, then they will return it.

Any country that has gone through a 9/11 type experience and subsequent

threats will have a reaction of sorts, maybe even worse.

look at it from both sides of the fence.

will

 
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James Workman
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August 31 2009, 11:05 PM 

I back up all important info off site.. and then I can download it anywhere there is a computer.

I am sorry I was so busy laughing that I forgot to try to help..

http://online-internet-backup.com/

Or if you have a static IP set up by IT you can then just sign into your own server instead of letting other people handle it.

You can insure the information as well.

http://www.backupreview.info/2009/08/19/keepitcom-partners-with-trygvesta-a-leading-insurance-company-to-offer-online-backup-services/

Sorry about over looking the information needed.. The tea coming out of my nose had my attention.

Best of luck and my best to you and yours Safir, JW


 
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Here is what I normally do.

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August 31 2009, 11:45 PM 

Because I have very confidential information in my laptop (or my master computer), when I am forced to travel, I have my confidential stuff sent ahead of me to the place where I will be staying. My company has an account with any of these secured carriers: UPS, FedEx and others. They come to my place of business, pick-up the package (highly secured and insured). A day later I am driven to the airport and flying I go. In these cases, I take another laptop with me with nothing confidential in the system. I will have access to wireless Internet and I can check on things not directly involving my company---such as readying this forum or similar forums. If someone decides to stick a gun at me and steal my watch and my laptop---no problem...here it is and here they go.....with something of no value to me. If Mr. Joe the cop feels there is a "probable cause" to check my stuff....I just pray that he does it quickly as I am normally in a hurry and I dislike unscheduled stops....if you know what I mean.

The real stuff gets to my destination without me having to worry about carrying heavy crap with me. Heck, sometimes I send my complete wardrobe ahead of time and I only carry an overnight bag just in case there is a delay somewhere between point A" and point "B".

And it helps when you have membership with NetJet services.

P.I.

 
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