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Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 9 2004 at 10:44 AM

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 9 2004, 1:52 PM 

Bro...U have to cut short ur sginature , it is not allowed to have big siggies ,let alone the monstrous ones . Lunatic(forum owner) will ask u to have a maximum of 2 pics there.
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August 9 2004, 11:54 PM 

there u go no more sig

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 10 2004, 1:58 AM 


i think china had a rather isolated and boring history.

from an objective point of view it must be persia (iran).

- zoroaster (zarathustra) founder of zoroastrian religion and inspirer of
numerous philosophs and prophets after him. another persian cult, the
cult of mitra becomes the most prominent cult in pre-christian rome

- the ancient times first empire and third largest empire of history,
with first charta of peoples rights and liberation of the jews from babylonian
slavery, Cyrus the Great, Darius the Great and Xerxes

- alexander the great who crowned himself shahanshah of persia and married
roxanna a persian princess

- seleucid dynasty, greek shahs

- parthian dynasty, fought numerous wars aganist the romans

- the three magi, three persian priests of zoroaster (magi = priest of
zoroaster) bring presents to a newborn they see as a chosen one.

- sassanid dynasty, together with parthians fought about 600 years against the
roman (/east roman) empire. with various great victories and defeats on both
sides but no final decision. persians under sassanid dynasty invented the
orchestra, the chain mail, horse armor, had great achievments in medicine and
astrology

- arab conquest, omar, the uncle of prophet mohammad subdues persia and
formerly zoroastrian persia is islamized. the last emperor of zoroastrian
persia flees to china where the cordial emperor of china grants him refuge.

- persia becomes the inspiring source of the new islamic califat. the second
islamic dynasty is under strong persian influence, persian art and
architecture are spread around the islamic world. a large part of poetry
of the indian subcontinent and central aisa are in persian language.

- a great number of poets, scientists and scholars emerge in persia.
ferdowsi, avicenna, hafez, saadi, molavi, omar khayam, rudaki, are among
these. hafez was called the greats poet of humanity by j.w.goethe.
avicenna rights among many other things a medicine almanac which is used
in europe as the standard work on medicine until the renaissance.
ferdowsi puts doen the persian mythology in an epic which has eight times
the capacity and at least the grandeur of homers ilias, the "shahname".
(letters of the shahs)

- after the collapse of the islamic califats, different dynasties rule persia
for brief periods until the mongol invasion almost completely destroys persia.
an estimated 80 % of all persians at that time are slaughtered by the mongol
horde, no other people had to pay so much to the mongol plague.

- after a mongol dynasty, various turkish dynasties are established in persia,
who convert persians to shiite sect of islam and wage numerous wars against
the ottoman empire. tremendous architectural miracles are achieved in this
period by persian artisans.

- nader shah, the last great conqueror of the world takes the entire central
asia and indian subcontinent in the 18. century. india is looted and the
famous persian peacock throne is brought to persia from india.

- the qajars lose almost half of the territory of persia either due to
faintheatedness on the battlefield or in the casinos of monte carlo.

- after the constitutional revolution, reza pahlavi khan establishes the
pahlavi dynasty. as it turns out, the last dynasty of 2500 year old persian
empire. reza shah pahlavi is a staunch supporter of adolf hitler and in the
30ies changes the name persia internationally to "iran" (from arian, land
of aryans) to show the world the aryan ancestry of the persians.
the result is that some people tend to forget that iranians are those
same persians who have been around for the last 2500 years and not some new
found artificial nation like iraq.

- reza pahlavi is exiled by the british to madagascar as punishment for
supporting hitler. his son m.reza pahlavi is established as shah.
he turns out to be a player and gigolo who invests the countries wealth into
luxery cars and jets but also modernizes strictly in order to make iran
a western style country. under the last shah iran is americas foremost ally
in asia and maybe worldwide. for example only iran receives f14 jets in the
70ies. in this decade iran has the worlds 4th strongest military and is
miles ahead of all other "muslim states".

- the 1979 revolution of ayatollah khomeini turns persia into the worlds
only ("democratic", lol) theocracy. iran enters a forces 8 year war against
saddam hussein of iraq during which iraq is supported by usa, cccp, china,
france, germany and uk. iran is not supported by anyone except israel and
nevertheless iran holds off the iraqi agression in which saddam uses
chemical weapons against persians.

- while an islamist government is still leading the persians, the great
majority of the people has now developed great animosity towards both
islamism and theocracy. iran seems to be on the agenda of the united states
while it is developing nuclear weapons.









i think you will have to agree that no other country has such a varied,
interesting history, characterized by many great achievments and victories
but as many great defeats.



 
 


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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 10 2004, 3:58 AM 

C.A.R.L.O

i would say about 35 years ago China was pretty Isolated

but apart from that look at its 5000 year history

u know where u had the Qin dystanty and etc etc

but 5000 years of history cannot be boring


 
 

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August 10 2004, 5:37 AM 

I would say India (India historically, which bands in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan).

Although there are several revisionist theories about what happened 7000 years ago, I don't think we care about that.

First off, Indus Valley Civilization. Great civilization, very organized, very urban, in fact, the bricks are identical in size in different corners of the civilization. Extensive trade with other civilizations, largest ancient pre-classical civilization in terms of surface area.
Mysterious collapse of Indus Valley Civilization around 1500 BC. Some attribute it to Aryan migration, some attribute it to fossil fuel burning, combinations of everything, etc.
Main sites of civilization in Harappa, Pakistan, Mohenjo-Daro, Pakistan, Lothal, India. Nothing deciphered as of yet.

After Indus Valley collapses, period of chaos. Hinduism created from merger of Aryan and ancient Indus Valley religions. Caste system created. Hindu mythology formed, greatest two epics are the Mahabharata and the Ramayan. Also, oldest text in the world--the Rig Veda is written.
Little city-states are formed at this time, that constantly war with each other.

Around the 1000sBC, Hinduism goes bad. Caste system is transforming into an apartheid system, idolatry, polytheism and large sacrifice rituals become mainstream Hinduism. Individuals begin to divert from Hinduism. The compilation of these writings is Vedantas (anti-Vedas) and Upanishads. These however don't transform into other religions.
Two great ascetics from these times are Siddhartha and Mahavir. They both come up with virtually identical thoughts, and have quite similar lives. Siddhartha becomes enlightened and becomes The Buddha.
Lower-castes and high-caste utopians convert to Buddhism or Jainism (started by Mahavira), the rulers are still Hindu kshatriyas (warrior castes).

Alexander of Macedonia invades Taxila, now in Pakistan. He is almost defeated by this little kingdom, his soldiers wish to return at the thought of greater and stronger armies.
Indo-Bactrians are now the rulers of this north-westernmost part of India.

Meanwhile, Chandragupta Maurya allies himself with the Indo-Bactrians in the 500s BC, and conquers most of India. Largest pan-Indian empire yet.
His grandson completes the final unification in a bloody war against the small kingdom of Kalinga. After the war, he converts to Buddhism, promotes it throughout India and outside as well. He is the Constantine of Buddhism. Till then, Buddhists were a persecuted people in India.

After Ashoka's death, Mauryan empire crumbles, everyone takes revenge on what is left of the Mauryan empire (the Kalingans especially). During this time, India divides into several kingdoms. Indian influence in Indo-China begins. Trade with Greece, Rome, Persia and China grows.
The central Asian tribe of the Kushanas invade India, their king is a Buddhist, named Kanishka. Kanishka takes all of north India, he builds the Bamiyan Buddha statues (that were demolished by the Taliban).

Around 400AD, a dynasty called the Guptas take over all of India. At this time, it is India's First Golden Age. Science flourishes, math advances (algebra invented), Kama Sutra compiled, Hinduism is state religion, while everything is tolerated. World's first and second universities, University of Taxila, and Nalanda University, both built at this time.

Guptas finally crumble to repeated Central Asian invasions. The White Huns invade first, who are being pushed by the Sakas, who are pushed by the Parthians, and so on. India is again in temporary chaos.

Scythians (Central Asians) are absorbed into Hinduism. Hinduism has a revival, Buddhism becomes more and more superficial and ritual-oriented, while Hinduism returns to original asceticism. Movement is called Bhakti movement.

Islam is founded. The Arabs invade India, but are stopped by the Rajputs. The Arabs control Sindh, now in Pakistan. Islam makes no further major encroachments yet.

Around 1300s, slaves of Turks invade and set up the Sultanate dynasty. These rulers are Islamic barbarians. Massive forced conversions, 400-500 temples destroyed, hundreds of thousands put to the sword. Mongols try to invade, but cannot.

Sultanate replaced by Babur, the Mughal. He is no different from the Sultans. His son, Humayun is a weakling, he is overthrown by Sher Shah Suri. Sher Shah is first Muslim secularist. He abolishes the jizya, tolerates Hinduism, he is first Indian Muslim.
Sher Shah is overthrown by Humayun's son Akbar. Akbar is also a secularist, he takes control of India by marriage alliances with the Hindu kingdoms. Akbar is one of the greatest rulers of India. He starts the Second Golden Age of India. From him, to Shah Jahan, who makes the Taj Mahal, India is back as superpower.

Shah Jahan has 4 sons, his third son kills his brothers, imprisons the father, and is India's first Taliban. He breaks all alliances with the Hindu kingdoms by returning to mass-rape, temple demolition, etc. Aurangzeb actually defeats the British.

British take over after Aurangzeb's death, and fills in the vacuum. Indian National Congress fights for independence, British create a Pakistan out of malice. India prefers freedom over division, at least Brits are out.

India ****s over Pakistan in Bangladesh. India ****s over Pakistan in Kashmir. India will **** over Pakistan.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 10 2004, 3:22 PM 

Rather than country i'd say Europe. The history of each nation on the continent is so inter-twined that you can't really pick out a single country with the most interesting history. Also China has to be on that list.




 
 


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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 10 2004, 7:41 PM 

I would say its a tie between:

France
UK
Italy/Rome
Greece
Egypt
Iran/Persia

Chinese history is boring to me, because they were so zenophobic and rarely interacted with any other civilizations/countries. Chinese history is just a collection of dynasties... the great wall... fighting the mongols... getting owned by the Europeans... Coummunism... and WWII

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August 11 2004, 12:25 AM 

If that's how you think of china, then you don't know much about it.

Rarely interact with other ancient civilization or countries? How about when they had contacts with the Indians, the arabs, africans, japanese, etc... They even had more contact than anybody else.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 11 2004, 2:23 AM 

It all really depends. Some people may prefer the history of long peace, some may like the history of national struggle to independence, and some may just like of how their nation lasted for a long time. It all really depends on a person's opinion.


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August 11 2004, 4:04 PM 

Indian history is kind of nice, considering that there is a constant struggle to liberate our own country, the war is always brought to India. Also, funny thing, those that were invaders suddenly become at one with the population against the next set of invaders.

As for Chinese contacts with India, there was one notable traveller who came to India on a Student Visa back in the 600s.
His name was Hiuen Tsang.

Hiuen Tsang came with a team of 90 something. He was the first traveller to India who didn't come by the Khyber Pass, but right through the Himalayas. The Chinese really love doing that (also in 1962, the impregnable defense of India against rest of Asia was broken by the Chinese, and that myth was shatterred).
Anyway, by the time Hiuen arrived in King Harsha's court, only him and another traveller made it, the rest had all died, most on the Himalayas.

Hiuen Tsang was a devout Buddhist, and wanted to see the land of Buddha. He also went to study at the Nalanda University.

I have been to Nalanda University, it has lecture halls, dormitories, classrooms, student to teacher ratios were 15:1, pretty good.

Nalanda University was a school of Hindu/Buddhist thought. It was burnt down in the 1200s by some Islamic invader, massive massacres on peaceful Buddhist students.

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August 12 2004, 12:54 AM 

us Bharat ur facts are wrong about the Alexander the Great.

First when Alexander was coming, all the Punjabi Kings fled excpet for Porus. His Kindgdom in the River Jhelum. How do we know this? through Persian records, Punjab at that time was part of the Persian Empire, and made the Eastern most terretory of Persia, thus that is why Alexander came. there the first place.

When Porus and Alexander fought, Alexander defeated Porus in a hard and gruling fight. Alexander brought Porus to him and asked him what he should do with him, and Porus stated that " Treat him like a king treats another King", by hearing this Alexander's heart sank, and he returned Porus's Kingdom to Him including the areas of the Kings that had fled, these areas included all the 5 rivers of Punjab, and ended at the Eastern more River, Beas. Thus Porus is recognized by Punjabi History as the First Punjabi King.

After the fight with Alexander, Historians believe this is When Bhangra was founded. Alexander also gave Porus the title of an Ambassordor in Greece. And he also settled a large amount of his army their.

Mow surprisingly it was also the River Jhelum where the Sikhs fought their last war with the British.

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One evening a boy of three was out for a walk with his father. There was also an elderly man with the father. Chatting they walked on and went beyond the village. Green crop delighted the eyes. The elders were walking along the edge of a field. Not hearing the footsteps of the boy, the father looked back. The boy was sitting on the ground and seemed to be planting some thing. The father became curious.

"What are you doing?" said he.

"Look, father, I shall grow guns all over the field" was the innocent reply of the boy. His eyes shone with the strong faith that guns would grow in the field. Both the elders were struck with wonder at the little boy's words.

The boy was Bhagat Singh who later fought like a hero for India's freedom and sacrificed his life.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 12 2004, 1:57 AM 

The Hebrew or The Jude or The Israelis because they have a complete circle with a begin or start point in The Genesis and a end in The Apocalypse time, all writte in a world famous book, very well knowed around all world,since manies years, by the Chystian name "Holly Bible".Its great and the most interesting history of a country/people I can remember.

 
 

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August 12 2004, 4:16 AM 

Harry, where am I wrong, you simply elaborated on the Alexander's invasion part?

As for the Persian Empire part, all I know is that King Porus of Takshila was his own King, and independent King and an independent land. Paying tribute to Persian Emperor, maybe, but not part of Persian Empire. If we take it that way, folks from Zanzibar (African island) paid tribute to Chinese Ming Emperor.

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August 12 2004, 4:57 AM 

I'd reckon that the more details of the history we get to know, the more interesting it becomes.

For example, Chinese history isn't interesting to me, because I hardly know anything. Most of that problem has to do with Chinese names.
The names are short (one-syllable), and therefore, hard to distinguish one from the other.

For example, European history isn't interesting to me, because they have only a few names, that they keep circulating (Charles I of England goes to war with Philip II of France, whose son Louise V continues war with England's Edward VI).
They keep circulating those names, foolish, as if there are no other names in the world.

For example, Arabian history isn't interesting to me, because the names are small, but one person has a very long name (each name recounts the person's name, his father's name, his grandfather.........)

For example, aah well, I am a patriotic nationalist ****head, lol, wtf, Indian history is best!!

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August 12 2004, 7:17 AM 

King Porus of Takshila was totally defeated by Alexander's army...Alexander being a man of unique qualities recognized Poros' valor and not only let him keep his Kingdom as an ally but he gave him even more land...

 
 


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August 12 2004, 1:01 PM 

greek history (birth of philosophy and democracy) and egyptian
history are fascinating to me personally

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August 12 2004, 2:42 PM 

I think if you delve into any countries history you will find it intresting depending on the period your looking at.

 




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August 12 2004, 5:36 PM 

"I think if you delve into any countries history you will find it intresting depending on the period your looking at."

Well said. I agree!


 
 

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August 13 2004, 3:22 AM 

"King Porus of Takshila was totally defeated by Alexander's army...Alexander being a man of unique qualities recognized Poros' valor and not only let him keep his Kingdom as an ally but he gave him even more land..."

No doubt Porus was defeated, but he went down fighting, he gave a tougher fight than the mighty Persian Empire itself.

Look at this though, King Porus' kingdom on the world map is just a dot, he stood up against Alexander, and his soldiers gave up when they heard that Alexander's goal was to conquer all of India, the little kingdom of Takshila alone was tough.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 13 2004, 8:36 AM 

he gave a tougher fight than the mighty Persian Empire itself.

It was not the army of Poros that was an obstacle to Alexander. In the battle, he was utterly defeated, but the phalanx was not accustomed to fighting against a large elephant army. When the Indian army routed, the elephants panicked and started moving around wrecking havoc. Alexander and the rest of the commanders assumed the elephants would join the route instead of running around.

In the end, it was the soldiers' wish to return home, the extreme distance from any known territory (even the cruel Bactria and Sogdian provinces), the annoying land features like swamps, deceases and the unpleasant atmospheric conditions (high humidity, high temperature), it was these factors that drove Alexander back.

Check this site, it is very detailed.
http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander13.html



Look at this though, King Porus' kingdom on the world map is just a dot, he stood up against Alexander, and his soldiers gave up when they heard that Alexander's goal was to conquer all of India, the little kingdom of Takshila alone was tough.

Again, the kingdom of Taxila, from a military point of view offered almost no resistance. It was swiftly conquered and Poros was appointed as a satrap, i.e. a governor in his former kingdom, now under the rule of the Macedonians. Alexander swiftly marched against Magadha, conquered a town called Sangala, but when he reached the Hyphasis river, his soldiers mutinied.




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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 14 2004, 3:03 AM 

Alexander Attacking, Punjab turned out to be good for Punjab, for it gave Punjab a identity, for the First time it came under one Rule, Alexander handed Porus the entire Indus Valley. And due to Alexander Bhangra also found its birth.

But no doubt It also left a mark, it told the World the brute force of the Punjabis, but more told the word that India was a force to be recon with, due to this India faced countless invasions from the West.


    
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August 14 2004, 8:26 PM 

I don't know about countries, too many to choose from, but i fyou talk about civs than definitely European civ has the most interesting history.

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August 17 2004, 4:47 AM 

@bharat, your fact on history are mostly very correct and accurate. except for the last part:

india **** over pakistan in bangladesh. india ****s ovber pakistan in kashir. india will **** over pakistan.


dunno, probbaly by accident you left out one thing.

china ****s over india. just a reminder. india **** over the 8 times smaller pakistan. india gets ****ted over by the 1.5 times biger china.

and india **** over pakistan in kashmir. well, i guess that it has already got the AZAD Kashmir in its rule. after all, to **** over pakistan in kashmir means that it is in control of the pakistani part of kashmir. well, maybe im wrong. Maybe india does control the Azad Kashmir. please educate me.



 
 


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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 29 2004, 1:37 AM 

Egyptian history and Greek history are indeed very interesting. I'd also say that the Maya civilization, the Aztec civilization and various other similar civilizations of Central America are very interesting. France, England and the region of modern Italia (with Rome, and Venise) have each a great history.

 
 
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August 29 2004, 2:20 AM 

I'd pick Turkish history over Aztec, Inca, or Maya history any day. So many empires; so much conquering...

It's enough to make your head spin.

 
 

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August 29 2004, 6:24 AM 

India does control Azad Kashmir. Pakistan controls Jihadi Kashmir.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 30 2004, 2:53 AM 

its nice to know where and why , democracy , arts - theater , literature , sculpture , painting , history , philosophy ,medicine , alphabet (as we know it)started..

id say the Greek history .. Greece influenced the world more than any other nation in my opinion.. if you dont believe it open your dictionary and try to spot Greek words.. you will be amazed :p

 
 

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August 30 2004, 6:41 AM 

id say the Greek history .. Greece influenced the world more than any other nation in my opinion.. if you dont believe it open your dictionary and try to spot Greek words.. you will be amazed :p
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what the heck does english having greek word have to do with greece influncing the world??

if its like that then arabs had a HUGE influnce on the world seeing as almost all of africa speak arabic and most langugages in Asia have arabic words in them....

greek had influnce on most of the western civilizations and persians had the most influnce on eastern civilization

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August 30 2004, 6:53 AM 

Babak Khoramdin:
"greek had influnce on most of the western civilizations and persians had the most influnce on eastern civilization"

The Arabs had the most influence on the "Eastern civilization" by far; not the Persians.

 
 

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August 30 2004, 7:26 AM 

The Arabs had the most influence on the "Eastern civilization" by far; not the Persians.
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really? even the moslem mosques are Sassanid designed..do u even know how many persian words there is in your language(turkish)?

Arabs(from Saudi) were people of deserts so they weren't CIVILIZED to begin with, how could they have had more influnce on eastern culture that persians?

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 30 2004, 11:02 PM 

Egeli said: "The Arabs had the most influence on the "Eastern civilization" by far; NOT the Persians"


ARABS definitely had much more influence than persians.. i.e. Islam stretches from North Africa, thru Turkey, thru Iran, Eastern Europe, former Soviet republics, thru Afghan, Pak, India, Bangladesh, thru Indonesia, Malaysia, and even Xinjiang province of China.. Arabic culture has engulfed the Middle East via Islam.. First Arabs conquered countries like Iran and Turkey, converted them, subsequently these nations went on to spread the Arabs' message throughout much of South and Southeast Asia..

another example: the muslim populations of all the aforementioned countries - Iran, Afghan, Pak etc.. use ARABIC script (NOT their own).. these people wear hijab/chador/burqa, they all know basic arabic phrases..

majority of building architecture of all muslim countries have overwhelmingly Arabic influence (i.e. characteristic domes, etc)

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Another big influence in the Majority of the rest of Asia's population (East and Southeast Asia) is Buddhism which has inherently spread Indian (Hindu) religious and cultural concepts like karma, nirvana, meditation, yoga, language, architecture etc..

 
 
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

August 30 2004, 11:51 PM 

"really? even the moslem mosques are Sassanid designed..do u even know how many persian words there is in your language(turkish)?"

Islam is the relgion spread by the Arabs. Do you even know how many Arabic words are in Farsi, and Turkish? I'm sure there are not very many Persian words in Arabic, on the other hand. Even your country (Iran) uses ARABIC script. You recite prayers in ARABIC.

"Arabs(from Saudi) were people of deserts so they weren't CIVILIZED to begin with, how could they have had more influnce on eastern culture that persians?"

Don't ask me how they did it. Ask them!




 
 

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 1 2004, 10:01 PM 

"Arabs(from Saudi) were people of deserts so they weren't CIVILIZED to begin with, how could they have had more influnce on eastern culture that persians?"

well, if im not mistaken these UNCIVILIZED people were able to onquer the CIVILIZED persia.

 
 

Siavash
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 2 2004, 4:06 AM 

well, if im not mistaken these UNCIVILIZED people were able to onquer the CIVILIZED persia.
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so what? the mongols were uncivlized..and they had one of the biggest empires of all time?? The germanic tribes (barbarians) also almost brought the mighty roman empire to its knees...

now that i have explained somethings to you plz STFU and move on to the next thread..this one doesn't concern pakis (since your history is no where near being the most intresting)

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 3 2004, 12:20 AM 

Babak Khoramdin:
"so what? the mongols were uncivlized..and they had one of the biggest empires of all time?? The germanic tribes (barbarians) also almost brought the mighty roman empire to its knees...

now that i have explained somethings to you plz STFU and move on to the next thread..this one doesn't concern pakis (since your history is no where near being the most intresting)"

But the fact remains that the Arab culture is most evident in all cultures around the region and beyond. There is no need to insult anybody just because you are accused of being wrong.

 
 

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September 3 2004, 12:40 AM 

"this one doesn't concern pakis (since your history is no where near being the most intresting)"

Ooh, I am debating if I should stick my nose in here. Aah well, STFU Siavash. The beginnings of Indian civilization mostly lies in Pakistan today, **** **** off.

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September 3 2004, 12:43 AM 

Care to explain what makes Persians more civilized than Arabs or Mongols, or Romans more than Germans?
Nowadays, many historians are saying that this is bullcrap, all sides have been "barbarians".

Europeans considered native Americans to be savages for human sacrifice, funny thing is, at same time, they were burning witches in Europe in name of religion.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 3 2004, 2:07 AM 

barbarian is a Greek world and in the ancient years was used by Greeks to describe people that werent Greek..

they used to say: PAS MH ELLHN BARBAROS
which means everyone who is not Greek is a barbarian ...


    
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Siavash
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 3 2004, 3:44 AM 

I see that the stinky gypsy boy has decided to join in the arguement..well gypsy boy..your history sucks, i don't care if you wanna call it indian history paki history or gypsy history, bottom line is that it sucks...for FU,CK sakes before the british came and CIVILIZED you your people used to burn widows at their husbands funerals! other countries treated you like toilet, everyone came and took a dump in your country and left..lol

and about mongols and arabs not being uncivilized, their people lived in tents for gods sake..mongolians STILL live in tents so do some of the arabs (from arabia)...while Iran had a capital city like perspolis..thats how i know Persians were more civilized also the fact that 2500 years ago when having slaves seemed like a common right to people, Persians condemned it and freed all the slaves from babylon and let them go back to their native country..the first every charter of human rights were made by Persians..this was at the same time when Arabs were burying their daughters alive at birth..thats how i know my people were more civilized..now STFU and go away


    
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 15 2004, 3:14 AM 

Arab civilization cannot be compared to the persian civilization, especially not after the birth of islam.

Militarily, the Persians have never came close to what the arabs were at their height. The persian history is not as interesting as the arabs, which consist of the crusades, and the capture of Jurusalem. Which consists of the begining of one of the wordls biggest religions, which consists of the conquering of spain, india and PERSIA.

Economically and Educationaly, the arab hisotry is full of miracoulous achievements in the fields of mathematics, sciences and medical studies. The Arab influence has been so widespread that many non arab countries today, such as pakistan and IRAN, use the arab scripts to write their language.


Now im not arab, Im a Pakistani, and a proud one. Our history is as old as that of Persia, if not older. Our history, as bharat said, marks the beginning of the indian civilization, the beginning of bhuidism. The old civilazations of Herapa and Moin-Jo-Dharo, are as old as the greek and egyptian civilasations. And lets not forget the moghuls, the rulers of india. the architectures that they built, well that cant be rivaled by anything in Iran. Badshahi Mosque, and the evr so wonderful Taj Mahal.



    
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 15 2004, 4:55 AM 

Extreme:
"The persian history is not as interesting as the arabs, which consist of the crusades, and the capture of Jurusalem."

Actually it was the SELJUK TURKS who conquered Jerusalem and encouraged the Crusades.

 
 
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 15 2004, 9:10 AM 

I would say - Ancient Eygpt

 
 

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September 15 2004, 3:51 PM 

i usually dont bohter replaying to stupid ppl but just to clear some points out ok u said

Arab civilization cannot be compared to the persian civilization, especially not after the birth of islam.

Militarily, the Persians have never came close to what the arabs were at their height. The persian history is not as interesting as the arabs, which consist of the crusades, and the capture of Jurusalem. Which consists of the begining of one of the wordls biggest religions, which consists of the conquering of spain, india and PERSIA.
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Iranian's have fought and conquerd many Emipers at their hights of powers
Babylonian,Assyria,Lydians,Lydians,egyptians,Romans,byzantine and many more where Arabs only fought 2 weakend Empire Persia,and Rome
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Economically and Educationaly, the arab hisotry is full of miracoulous achievements in the fields of mathematics, sciences and medical studies. The Arab influence has been so widespread that many non arab countries today, such as pakistan and IRAN, use the arab scripts to write their language.
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Economically Iran was always a rich country for that u can look at the Greeks and Roman sources,Educationaly again Iran was a leading Nation even after Islam 75% of so Called islamic scientists,astrologers,physician,theologian,chemists,philosophers,mathematician,poets such as Sibovayh,Khwarazmi,Rudaki,Ferdowsi,Rumi, Farabi, Razi,Ghazali,Biroony, Toosi, Khayyam and Attarand many many more were Iranian Orgin,Before Islam Jondi Shahpur's library had amassed one of the largest collections of books in the world after Islam
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Now im not arab, Im a Pakistani, and a proud one. Our history is as old as that of Persia, if not older. Our history, as bharat said, marks the beginning of the indian civilization, the beginning of bhuidism. The old civilazations of Herapa and Moin-Jo-Dharo, are as old as the greek and egyptian civilasations. And lets not forget the moghuls, the rulers of india. the architectures that they built, well that cant be rivaled by anything in Iran. Badshahi Mosque, and the evr so wonderful Taj Mahal.
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i know u r not an arab but ur from a country that is Heavily supprted by Arabs so u cant claim that u r not taking side and about ur so called "History" pakistan as country is less tah 100 years old u were always in the shadow of Iranian or Indian Civizations oh btw in architect
Iran has many of them even ur beloved moghuls were heavily influenced by Iranians and ur the ever so wonderful Taj Mahal was design by an Iranian architect named Istad Usa who had also lost his wife early and was looking for a way to immortalize her.
here some pictures of Iranian architect from one city only the other cities ask me and ill pst more


















to see more pic on Iranian architect visit
http://www.iranpix.com/index.html


http://articles.roshd.ir/articles_folder/humanscience/history/Timeline%20of%20Iranian%20HIstory.htm
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September 15 2004, 10:12 PM 


Harappa


Harappa


High Priest of Harappa


The Great Bath of Mohenjo Daro


Naked dancing girl of Mohenjo Daro


Khajuraho Temple


Khajuraho Temple


Ajanta Caves


Ajanta Caves


Konark Temple


Konark Temple


Bodh Gaya


Bodh Gaya


Bamiyan Buddhas


That's round one for now, this is all BC stuff, wait till the ADs, especially Mughals.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 16 2004, 11:52 PM 

"i know u r not an arab but ur from a country that is Heavily supprted by Arabs so u cant claim that u r not taking side and about ur so called "History" pakistan as country is less tah 100 years old u were always in the shadow of Iranian or Indian Civizations oh btw in architect"

i am not arguing about that. actually to be more precise, our "PAKISTANI" history isnt even 60 years old.

i was talkin about the arab history.

 
 

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September 17 2004, 2:41 AM 

Extreme, Arab history is rich, but it lies in the later eras, at the time when the sub-continent, Persia, China, Greece, were blooming, the Arabs were still nomads.
BTW, you saw the sculptures on the Khajuraho Temple I posted? Hehe!!

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 18 2004, 10:03 AM 

I think Persia. This was a country that was a superpower for over a 1000 years and at it's hight it ruled almost the whole known world. It fought many battles and regained superpower status when all things seemed lost. From a military, economic and political point of view in history I think it is unrivalled.



 
 

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 18 2004, 11:59 AM 

Well China, India and Greece would compete with Persia I think.



 
 
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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 18 2004, 10:20 PM 

Koz4k:
"This was a country that was a superpower for over a 1000 years and at it's hight it ruled almost the whole known world."

Well, the Native Americans ruled the ENTIRE known world...

 
 

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September 19 2004, 2:47 AM 

Having empires isn't really a measure of anything. If we are looking for the civilization's greatness, we need to see what it has passed on today.
Conquering a few nomadic tribes around yourself isn't a big deal. The Persian Empires never succeeded in conquering the heart of any of the other mega-civilizations.
Please, don't show maps of conquering India. Whatever Nader Shah held at the height of his power probably would be 5% of India (this including all of South Asia).

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 19 2004, 5:18 PM 

actually, if we see the arab history, before 640 AD they were nothing. But it is after AD 640, whitht the birth if islam, that there real history begins, where they were able to conquer and create an empire bigger than rome in less than 100 years. in less then 100 years, there influence they got a hold of north africa and spain, aswell as persia and southern india (although this may have been a bit later on).

the answer is that all islamic empires after this were related and influnced by the arab culture (to be more precise Islam).


 
 


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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 19 2004, 6:34 PM 

all this talk is nonsense ... ofcourse they are Persia, India, China and oh yeah Greece. We are the best :p cheers


 
 

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 20 2004, 5:23 PM 

this was oraginally posted by levend..

the paki and the indian guy should read this...


> "Persia" is the Greek name of Pars, a province of modern day
Iran. Meanwhile, the name Iran (=Land of the Aryans) is derived from
the Aryan people, who first moved from Central Asia, and settled in
what is now Iran, some 30,000 years ago. And here are some of the
most important contributions of the people of Persia or Iran, to the
world civilization:
>
> 1. The first human civilization - - The Persian
Civilization (=Eilam); It was ahead of Egypt by 500 years, of India,
by 1,000 years, and of China, by 2,000 years, of Greece by 3,000
years, and of Rome, by 4,000 years! According to Professor Arthur A.
Pope, the famous Orientalist (A.H. Saidian, Iran: Land and the
People, Tehran 2001 P. 358)
> Professor Pope also believes that the world owes its greatest
industrial developments, in the early stages, to the Persian
Civilization! (Ibid).
> Another Orientalist, the French Professor Kalamar of the
Sorbonne University of Paris believes that: The Persian Civilization
is the mother of all civilizations! (Ibid).
> 2. The first empire in the world, the Persian Empire (from
the Indus River down to the Danube River in Europe and up to the Nile
River in Africa;Central Asia, present day Iran, Iraq, Turkey,
Azirbaijan, Armenia, Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, Libya, Macedonia,
Cyprus,Lydia and up to the borders of Greece. It stretched from
Ethiopia to India, with 127 provinces and 28 different nationalities).
> "The Greeks and Romans later copied the best features of the
Persian Method of Governing the Empire. (World History, Philip
Groisser, New York, 1970, p. 17).
> 3. Cyrus the Great conquered Babylonia, Assyria, Media and
India; His son Cambodia (any influence on the Cambodian People?)
added Egypt later, and for the first and the last time in history,
all the governments of the known world were ruled under one color!
> 4. Insurance by Government was started during Cyrus the
Great of Persia. (Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2000).
> 5. Weight, Money and Measurements were standardized in
Persia, for the first time, some 2, 500 years ago (Gardeshgari, March
2000)
> 6. Sanskrit, which is the mother of all modern languages,
was born in Iran, before it went to India (Gardeshgari, Aug. 2001).
> 7. The Stone Age, which dates back some 70, 000 years ago,
was started in Iran, the cradle of the earliest human civilization!
(Gardeshgari, July 2000).
> 8. In Iran today, there are 1.2 million historical sites,
discovered so far, with some 70,000 historical moulds (Gardeshgari,
July 2000).
> 9. The first accounting tools were found in Iran, belonging
to 9,000 years ago. (Gardeshgari, March 2000).
> 10. The first brick invention took place in Iran.
(Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2002).
> 11. The world's greatest masonry work is Perspolis, Iran.
(Gardeshgeri, Iran, March, 2000).
> 12. The architecture of castles originated in Persia
thousands of years ago.
> 13. Iranian tales/legends are some 20, 000 years old.(Ibid)
> 14. According to the Shah-Namah of Ferdausi, the first
caesarian operation (actually Persian-Birth) was done in Persia, some
5,000 years ago upon the birth of Rustom from his mother--- Rudabeh.
(Gardeshgari, Iran, Jan. 2000.
> 15. According to the Persian Holy Books--- Avesta, the first
anesthesia was practiced in Persia 1,000 B.C.
> 16. According to Professor Griffith Taylor of Australia, the
homo sapiens (Caucassians) were originated from the Iranian Plateau,
also known as the Land of Mahd(the Medes?) and scattered throughout
the world some 17,000 years ago (15,000 B.C.)Gardeshgari, Iran, Jan.
2001.
> No wonder, the famous Orientalist, Professor Arthur Pope
said: "Western world has a vast unpaid debt to the Persian
civilization!"
> Also Hegel, the great German Philosopher, wrote: The
beginning of evolution of man starts with the history of Persia
(Hegel, Philosophy of History p. 174).
> 17. Some paintings in Lorestan caves in Persia, that show a
horse-riding man, are 17,000 years old! (15,000 B.C.) (Gardeshgari,
Iran, Jan. 2001).
> 18. The original homeland of the Chaldeans (Father Abraham?)
was Susa, Iran. The word Chaldean comes from Khald, which comes from
Kurd (Kurdish) who were originally Tajiks (Gradeshgari, Iran, Sep.
2000).
> 19. According to the Encyclopedia Britanica, "It may well be
proved eventually that the human race evolved in Central Asia or
Iran" (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2000).
> 20. According to the Indian Professor, Mereji Baba Kolka: A
group of Iranian migrants were settled along the Nile River and
founded the Egyptian civilization, thousands of years ago!
(Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2000).
> 21. Sumerians were originally Iranians from Kurdestan. So
were the Chaldeans, Babylonians, Assyrians, Achadians; All of them
spoke Chaldean, as their original language.
> 22. According to Professor Filder Petry : The civilizations
of Egypt and Mesopotamia are actually branches of the older Culture
of Eilam (Persia), which dates back to 6-10 thousand years ago!
(Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2000).
> 23. The Turkish People are a result of the mixture of the
early Iranians, and the Chinese; Semites and Egyptians, Palestinians
and Arabs, are the mixtures of Iranians and Africans; while the
Indians are a mixture of Iranians (Brahman) and the native blacks of
India, Dravidians. (Gardeshgari, March 2000 p. 47).
> 24. The history of first people of Persia goes back some
30,000 years ago (28,000 B.C.) Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2000).
> 25. The oldest rock relief in the world is the Bistoon rock
relief in Persia some 2,500 years old.
> 26. The most mammoth ziggurat was constructed in Persia,
near the historic city of Susa, thousands of years ago.
> 27. The biggest thatch construction also took place in
Kerman, Persia, some 2,000 years ago.
> 28. King Darius of Persia wrote the first Human Rights
Charter, some 2,500 years ago. It is still engraved in the Alvand
Mountain (Ganj-Nameh), near the ancient Persian Capital of Hagmataneh
(Present City of Hamadan).
> It was this concept of Human Rights, freedom of
religion and the equality of all races that lead to the freedom of
the Jews, from the captivity of Babylon, by Cyrus the Great of Persia
(539 B.C.).
> 29. While all other world powers persecuted and
discriminated against the Jews (e.g. The Egyptians, Assyrians,
Babylonians, Romans and later Germans and the Russians etc.) the
Persians were the only world power who actually liberated and
protected the Jews (the only monotheistic religion of that time). By
doing so, the Persians pioneered the freedom of religion and culture
of the minorities in the world. (While some European conquerors, like
Alexander the Great, destroyed Persepolis and other areas, or exiled
their people, the Persian kings supported the local culture and
religion).
> 30. The first World Super-Highway, that connected the East
and the West, was the Silk Road. It joined China to Europe; and its
main part was Central Asia (Ancient Persia) with its many Caravans,
Caravansarais, Bazaars, etc. etc.
> 31. The first time that the Navy was used in a Military
Operation was by the Persian Army some 2,500B.C.
> 32. The first time that the ships were used as bridge to
cross the river, was done by King Darius, who crossed the Nile and
conquered Egypt.
> 33. The first ruler who planned and constructed the Suez
Canal in Egypt was King Xerxes of Persia (539 B.C.).
> 34. The first time that a canal was built to connect two
seawaters was by King Xerxes of Persia, who built the Xerxes' canal,
near Greece, and attacked Greece, during the Persian Wars, 500 B.C.
(International Herald Tribune, Nov. 15, 2001).
> 35. One of the earliest Legal Codes in the world is called
The Law of the Medes and the Persians (the "unchangeable").
> 36. The first system of federal government was started in
the Persian Empire. There were many Ostans (Stan or State, like what
you see in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Hindu-stan, Uzbeki-stan, Etc.) that
were run by the satraps or smaller kings (Shah) who were under the
great king or Shahan-Shah (Kings' King).
> 37. The first secret service, called the eyes and the ears
of the king, was started in Persia.
> 38. The first world leader, who was called great, was Cyrus
the Great of Persia, some 200 years ahead of Alexander the Great!
> 39. Darius the Great of Persia established the First Tax
System, Customs Duties, Official Records and The Legal Code, in the
world level.
> 40. Countries of the world, whose names are originally
Persian:
> 1) Afghanistan, 2) Iran, 3) Kazakhstan, 4) Azirbaijan
(Fire Temples Land), 5) Turkministan, 6) Qirqizistan, 7)
Tajikistan 8) Uzbikistan, 9) Pakistan (Land of the Pure), 10)
Hindustan (also the Khalistan of the Sikhs).
> 41. Regions of the world, whose names are originated from
Persian:
> 1) Dagestan (Caucasus), 2) Qara Bagh (Azirbaijan, also
Afghanistan) 3) Baluchistan (Iran and Pakistan) 4) Rajastan
(India) 5) Panjab or Punjab (India and Pakistan) 6) Waziristan
(Pakistan) 7) Turkistan (China) 8) Kurdistan (Iran, Iraq, Turkey,
Syria and Russia), 9) Bash-Kurtustan (Russia), 10) Hazara
(Afghanistan, Pakistan) 11) Kafiristan, 12) Noorestan (Afghanistan)
13)Possibly, the Iranon tribes of the Southern Philippines, the Ire-
an of Palawan (Pahlawan?) in Southern Philippines, and the Irian Jaya
of Indonesia, etc.
> 42. Capitals of the world, whose names are Persian:
> 1.Baghdad (Iraq), combination of Bagh (God, Garden) and Dad
(justice / giving) A God given Place (Diosdado) or Garden of Justice
(of King Anush Ravan or Anushirvan of Persia).Actually, Baghdad was
rebuilt by the Iranian Master Architect, Nou-Bakht, during the
Abbasid Era (8th century A.D.).
> 2.Damascus (City of Musk, capital of Syria, the oldest
existing city in the world).
> 3. Ashq Abad (or Eshqabad) capital of Turkmenistan.
> 4. Islamabad capital of Pakistan (Note: Abad in Persian means
Town, City).
> 5. Baku (Baad Kubeh = the Windy City) capital of Azerbaijan.
> 6. Doshanbeh, capital of Tajikistan.
> 7. Tashkant (or Tashkent) capital of Qirqizistan.
> 8. Muscat or Muskat (=Musky, see Webster) the Capital of
Oman, on the shores of the Persian Gulf.
> 9. Samarkant (or Samarqand) Capital of Uzbekistan.
> 10. Bandar Sri Begawan (Brunei).
> 11. Iravan (Yerevan) capital of Armenia
(Armanestan).
> 12. Astana, Capital of Kazakhstan.
> 13. Moscow or Musk_va (City of Musk, from Moschi
or Moschos=Persian word for musk).
> 43. Historical cities whose names are Persian:
> 1) Bukhara, 2) Samarkand 3) Khawrazm (Khiveh) in Central
Asia, 4) Allahabad, 5) Ahmed Abad, 6) Heydar Abad, 7) Faiz
Abad, 8) Jamshid Pour, 9) Mahmood Abad, 10) Shah Abad etc.
(India) 11) Faisal Abad , 12) Heydar Abad, 13) Ghazi Abad,14)
Khorram, 15) Chaman, 16)Islamabad, etc. (Pakistan) 17) Rajshahi 18)
Cox Bazaar, (Bangladesh) 19) Mozaffar Abad (Pakistani Kashmir) 20)
Kufah or Kuppah (Hillside) Iraq 21) Salman Pak (Pure) Iraq, 22)
Ctesiphon (Iraq), 23) Halabcha (Iraq) 24) Khorsabad (Iraq) 25)
Nippur (Iraq) 26) Khanaqin (Iraq) 27) Khan Azad (Iraq) 28) Diwaniyyah,
(Iraq) 29) Bandar Sri Begawan (Brunei) (Note: Bandar in Persian
means port city like Bandar Abbas) 30) Banda Aceh (Indonesia) 31)
Shirwan (Caucasia) 32) Nakhjavan (Armenia) 33)Mozdok
(=Mazdak,Caucasia) 34) Astarkhan (Russia)etc.
> 44. Famous Persian Queens/Princesses in History:
> 1) Queen Vashti of King Xerxes ( see the Bible) 2) Queen
Esther, a Jewish girl, born in Persia, who became the Queen of
Persian King Xerxes (see Old Testament, Book of Esther Note: Esther's
tomb is in Hamadan Iran today) 3) Queen Cleopatra of Egypt (Part
Greek, Part Persian) 4) Queen Mumtaz Mahal (of Taj Mahal ) the Queen
of the Mogul Emperor of India, 5) Princess Shahr Banu of the Sasan
Dynasty, the daughter-in-law of Prophet Mohammad (wife of Imam
Hosain) 6) Madam Maragel, one of the wives of Emperor Harun Rashid,
the Abbasid Khalif (she was the mother of Mamoon, the most
intellectual Khalifah in the history of Islamic civilization, who
translated and transferred all Greek philosophy and science books
into Arabic language), 7) Puran-Dokht, the First Lady of Khaliffah
Ma'moon, 8) Princesses in several Arab states of the Persian Gulf,
including the mother of Shaikh Makhtum of the United Arab Emirates,
9) Nusrat Bhutto, the First Lady of Pakistan (1971-1978) wife of
Pakistani Prime Minister, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. 10) Jihan Sadat, the
First Lady of Egypt (1970-1982), wife of President Anwar Sadat of
Egypt, etc.
> 45. In the Field of Fashion: Almost all the clothing and
dresses of the Mogul Darbar in the Indian subcontinent (Including
Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc) are Persian in origin; that includes the
world famous Nehru Tunic or Shirwani, the Jinah Cap (made of lamb
skin), the Shalvar Qamis, the Indian Turban, the Parsi Gara (Persian
Style Embroidery in India), and a variety of shoes and other
accessories, including the well known Sukarno cap in Indonesia,
Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, Philippines, etc.
> 46. According to Professor Noel Malcon: Necktie (or cravat
in European languages) came from the Croats (of Balkans) a branch of
Iranian people who migrated from Persia, some 2000 years ago! Even
the Serbs are originally from Persia.
> (Ref. Malcolm, Noel: Bosnia, A Short History, Mc. Millan,
London 1996). Also: CNN World Report, November 16, 2003.
> 47. In Jewelries: Almost all the famous jewelries of the
Moguls of India (including those of Taj Mahal) were designed by
Persian master designers. The well-known Kooh-i Noor is a Persian
name, which means the mountain of light.
> Incidentally, the word Jawaher (as in Jawaher Lal-Nehru)
comes from the Persian word Gauhar (=Gem/Precious stone). Also the
word La'l is another Persian word, meaning Ruby.
>
> 48. In Linguistic Influences:
> 1. For 700 years, Persian was the official language of the
Moguls of Indian subcontinent (including Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc).
> Practically, every Mogul miniature contains not only the
Persian arts and drawings, but also Persian poetry in Farsi Alphabet
(a mixture of Persian and Arabic letters) in them.
> 2. Urdu language: the official language of Pakistan (and
India) is a result of Marriage between Persian-Arabic (which came
through Persia) and the Sanskrit. It is now spoken by some 800
million people around the world. ( Even Sanskrit itself was born in
Persia, before it reached India, some 7,000 years ago!). Gardeshgari,
August 2001.
> 3. Persian literature of the Indian subcontinent, with great
writers and poets, the jewel of them being, the late Dr. Mohammad
Iqbal,the National Poet of Pakistan (and India).
> 4. The names and surnames of almost all the people in
Armenia (Armanestan) and the Armenians around the world, is totally
or partially influenced by Persian language and culture. (Examples:
Melekian, Saturian, Haturian, etc. etc.).
> 49. The first animal domesticated by man was goat, and it
was done in Persia (Manila Bulletin, February 20,2001). Also the so-
called Arabian Horse (originally Persian) See BBC Worlds' Simpson
Report.(Note: In Arabic Language, horse is called Al-Faras, and
Persia is called Al-Fars; while the Persian is called Al-Farsi!).
Other animals, which were also first domesticated in Persia, are
Sheep, Cow, and Camel.
> 50. The first people who used fish as food were the people
around the Persian Gulf, (Philippine Daily Inquirer, 1998).
> 51. Nargileh/Hookeah or Shishah, the most famous pastime
smoking pipe in the Ottoman Empire, and the rest of Asia and the
Middle East, was invented in Persia (The Webster Dictionary).
> 52. The first time in the world that pearl was discovered
and harvested (Some 5,000 years ago) was in the Persian Gulf state of
Bahrain (which was part of the greater Persia, before the British
colonization in the 19th century) CNN 2002.
> 53. Noodles were first invented in Persia.(Expat. Weekly,
Manila 1996)
> 54. King Feraidun of Persia discovered winemaking method,
some 3,000 year B.C.
> 55. Punch (the mixture of five beverages) although was
popularized in British-India, is actually a Persian concoction. Panj
in Persian means five, the number of the mixtures. (Philippine
Daily Inquirer (Trivia) Feb. 2000)
> Also the word Punjab (or Panjab = Five waters/rivers,
in India and Pakistan) and Panjacila (Five Principles) of Sukarno in
Indonesia, etc.
> 56. A Persian Alchemist, called Zacharia Alrazi discovered
the Industrial Alcohol.(Al Razi is known in the west as Rhazes).
> 57. The first Beer-making techniques were discovered in
Medeo-Persia, some 5-6, 000 years ago. (On the
Net://www.udli./ucla.edu/).
> The legend says that beer was first brewed by
Ninkasi, some 3,500B.C. (For details, see the cult of Ninkasi).
*Manila Bulletin,August 30, 2002.
> 58. Various musical instruments, including setar (cithara or
cittern) and probably even guitar, Tamboor (Tambourine,) and Santour
(Dulcimer). Other musical instruments are Tar (six-stringed, while
Setar is four-stringed) and Ud, from which the medieval European lute
developed; as well as Ney or Flute. (Iran Today, MFA, Tehran, 1976,
p. 122). Iranian Music has even influenced the Flamenco tradition of
Spain. (Iran Today p.122).
> 59. The first people, who started the "Birthday"
celebration, where the Persian nobility and the royalty (So, "Happy
Birthday" could originally be a Persian song?)
> 60. The first time that cake was used in a birthday party was
by King Darius of Persia when he conquered Egypt. (500 B.C.)
Philippine Daily Inquirer 1999.
> 61. Polo game was invented in Persia, some 500 years B.C.
(Philippine Daily Inquirer 1998).
> 62. Wrestling, both as an art of war and sports, originated
in Persia.
> 63. Poker was also invented in Persia some 3,000 years ago.
It was called Aas. (The Philippine Daily Inquirer (Trivia) June 18,
2000.)
> 64. Chess, although originated in India, but was perfected
and passed on to the West, through Persia, in 10th century; thus the
words Chess (from Shah or King) Shakhmat (Shahmat) Rookh (rokh, or
Chariot) etc.
> 65. The world's first known money appeared in Persia, 800 B.C.
(Philippine Daily Inquirer,April 27,2002)
> 66. The words Paradise, Star, Bazaar, Caravan, Bank, Check,
Roxan, Rose, Jasmine, Parthian-Shots, (=Parting Shots), Sugar
(Shakar), Paw (Paa) Cow (Gau), Name (Naam); Nan (Bread) Nah (No),
Bad, Behtar (Better), Mushk (Musk) Pajamas, Orange, Dervish, Khaki,
Sepoy (Sepahy), Istana (Astana), Diwan/Divan, Pashmina (the Cashmere)
Kooh-e- Noor (Mountain of Light), Pasha, Pesh Marga, Jungle, Magi,
Magic, Magician, Mummy (Moumi) Sherryvalies (Shalvar), Kaftan
(Caftan), Taffeta, Shawl, Shahtoosh, Sherpa, Bang,Band,Spinach,
Saffron, Lemon, Woe! (Waa/Waay!), Gyn (Zan=Woman) Bakh-shish, Penta
(Panj=five), Thou (Toh), Me (Man), Am (-am), Eyebrow (Abru), Lips
(Lab), Pharao (=Far-zand or son of Ra/Mithra, the Sun-god of Persia
and later, Egypt) Buss (Buseh), Officer (Afsar/Afsara), Mouse
(Moush), Ouch (Aaakh), Aura (Ahura), Aurora, Murra, Ricksha (Rakh'sh)
as well as Pope (Papa/Baba), Pedar (Father) Madar (Mother) Nana
(Nanny=Mother), Baradar (Brother) Brethren, Dokhtar (Daughter), etc.
(almost 300 words in the English language)
> 67. The world's first public postal system was invented in
the Persian Empire some 3,000 years ago.
> 68. Cuneiform, the earliest form of writing in the world. The
cuneiform (wedge-shaped) was invented in what is known in History as
the Medeo-Persia, some 5-600 years ago. (On the Net
http://www.cdli.ucla.edu/)
> 69. The earliest known written documents, clay tablets,
inscribed more than 4,000 years ago, were found in the Medeo- Persian
region. These cuneiform texts include the earliest known creation
myths, legal codes, medical prescriptions and recipes--- Ledgers,
deeds, receipts --- and the list of everything, from the types of
bird, to the musical instruments and the woods used to make them.
(The Philippine Star, May 24, 2002).
> 70. The first calendar, composed of a year with 354 days, was
invented in Medeo-Persia, 2000 B.C. (*Philippine Daily Inquirer April
27, 2002) And during the Islamic era, another new Calendar, but this
time the most accurate calendar ever devised, in the whole history of
mankind, came into being --- the Jalali Solar Calendar by the Persian
mathematician and poet par excellence, the Great Omar Khayyam.
> Omar Khayyam's Persian solar calendar is even more
accurate than its Western Gregorian counterpart. (The Persian
calendar has an error of only one day in every 5,000 years, as
opposed to one in every 3,500 years for the Gregorian calendar). See
Iran Today, MFA, Tehran, 1976 p. 130.
> 71. The latest archeological excavations show that, glass was
first produced in the Asia-Minor region, some 4, 000 years ago. (Echo
of Islam Magazine, Tehran, Iran. Aug. 1986).
> 72. The Art of Miniature was originated in Persia, by Maani
(founder of Manichaeism) some 2,600 years ago, and reached China,
later, (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2002)
> 73. The first operation on human skull in the world, took
place in Persia, some 5,000 years ago! (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2002)
> 74. The origins of all the Indo-European languages, including
Indian, German, English, Greek, Spanish, French and many other
European languages today, are Iranian. (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2002)
So, it should be called Irano-European, not Indo-European!
> 75. Did you know where the Saxons (of Saxony - - Germany and
the Anglo-Saxons of Britain) came from? Well, the British
Orientalist, Sir Percy Sykes, himself a Saxon, went around the world
to look for their origin. He found out that the Saxons originated
from the Central Iranian Plateau, which was called Sakstan (Present
day Sistan- Baluchistan!) Gardeshgari, Iran, Sept. 2002. (How about
the Saxan or Sassan Dynasty of Persia?).
> 76. The Iranian Capital of Tehran with 3,200 years of history
has much greater historical treasures to offer to humanity than the
entire country of Greece! (Gardeshgari, Iran, Sep. 2002)
> 77. Domes of the Byzantine Churches and Palaces were an
adaptation from the Persian Architecture (Gardegari, Iran, Aug. 2000)
> 78. The world famous Holland Windmill is originally Persian,
and the Dutch know about it! (Gardeshgari, Iran, Aug. 2001).
> 79. The Sumerians and Egyptians were the early migrants who
came from the Iranian Plateau, thousands of years ago! (Gardeshagri,
Iran, Sep. 2002).
> 80. The Sumerian Seamen (probably) discovered America, many
centuries before Christopher Columbus. (Gardeshgari, Iran, Aug.
2001)
> 81. Archery of which the world famous Parthian Shots (or
Parting Shots) is a good proof, originated in Persia.
> 82. Persian carpet, walnuts, hazelnuts, Pistachio nuts,
pilau, kebab, beryani, shawarma, naan (bread) yoghurt, spinach,
saffron (the world's most precious spice), rice, grapes, lemon,
tulip, rose and perfume-were all originated in Persia.
> 83. Vertical windmill was invented in Persia, in 9th century,
A.D. (Ancient Inventions p. 398). Also the hand operated mills.
> 84. Trousers called Shalwar, were invented by the Persians
(while the Greek and the Romans preferred skirts).
> Also the world famous shawl and many other innovations
in clothing and shoe making, including a variety of hats and caps,
etc. The word pajama in English comes from the Persian words Paa
(leg) and Jameh (clothes).
> 85. The wheel was first invented in the cradle of
civilization, the area that is known in History as Medeo-Persia, some
5,000 years ago. (*Philippine Daily Inquirer, April 27, 2002) See
Persian wheel (Webster Dictionary).
> 86. Chariots of war were invented during Cyrus the Great of
Persia (559-529 B.C.)
> 87. Cross, as an instrument of punishment for the criminals
was first invented by the Persians, and it was
> adopted by the Romans, some 2,300 years ago.(Philippine Daily
Inquirer 1997) Also Swastika, etc.
> 88. Condom comes from the Persian word kandu or kondu, a
long vessel made from the intestines of the animals and used for
storing corn. Even today kondu (or kendu) is used in Persian language
for the beehives as well as small clay storage for grains or food.
(Condominium also?). Well, in Western Iran, there is a town called
Kanduan [plural of kandu]. In that town, all the houses are dug in
the mountain, on top of each other--a natural condominium).
> 89. Qanat or kanat, the underground water supply systems
that are stretched several miles, were also invented in Persia.
> 90. Silo for grains preservation, some 1300 B.C. (Ettelaat,
Iran Daily, 2001).
> 91. Baad-gir or Wind Shaft, the earliest form of modern air-
conditioners,which was built on top of the roof in order to catch the
fresh air and transfer it inside the building.
> 92. Aub-Anbar, the underground water reservoir that kept
water cool and safe, for the community (Take note of the word Aub,
the Persian word for water and its relation to Eu de Cologne, water
of cologne; also the ending of the words like Mindan-ao, Dav-ao, Lan-
ao,Mara-nao, Maguin-danao, Tugigar-ao, Suri-gao, Dan-ao (even Tamar-
ao, Carab-ao?) as well as Aub-dast -- Filipino and Chinese Muslims'
ablution with water, or Panj-ab, in India and Pakistan. etc.).
> 93. The first man who used an Airplane, to fly, was a
legendary Persian King, by the name of Keykaus. He tied 4 big birds
to his coach and placed some baits in a distance, dangling in front
of the birds to catch. (And thus for him to fly!).
> 94. The oldest combination lock, (with secret numbers) was
made some 800 years ago in Persia (Professor Arthur Pope, History of
Persian Civilization. c/o Ettelaat Daily, Tehran, Iran, January 25,
2003).
> 95. Embroidery was first invented by the Scythian people (a
branch of Persians) Ref. Webster Dictionary & CNN 2003.
> 96. The first travelers Inns called caravansaray (Inns of
caravan) some of which still exist along the Silk Road, were built in
Persia.
> 97. The largest mud-brick structure is the citadel of Bam, in
Kerman Province of Iran. It is 2,000 years old!
> 98. Parasol (Decorative Umbrella), used as an honor, over
the heads of the kings and the dignitaries, was invented in Persia,
too.
> 99. Crown or Taj (See Taj Mahal)- the bejeweled headpiece
for the King or the Queen, was first used in Persia.
> 100. The art of tile-work was invented and perfected in
Persia, many centuries ago. It was copied by others, but was never
equaled in its elegance and beauty.
> 101. Persian Blinds (or Persiana in Spanish and other
European Languages) is the origin of what is known today as the
Venetian Blinds (Webster Dictionary).
> 102. Blue Jars. The blue jars with floral designs (just
like the Blue Domes) are also a Persian invention. The Chinese
adopted these blue jars, after Genghis Khan invaded Persia in 13th
century A.D.
> 103. Chewing gum (called saqqez) as well as a variety of
other gums, including the well-known mummy or moumi (Webster
Dictionary).
> 104. There are many other ancient inventions that are
originated in the greater Persia. Some of them are as follows:
> 1) Needle 2) Weaving (like Taffeta, Shawl, etc.) 3) Roads/Hi-
ways 4) Chain mail (for body defense) 5) Spoons and Forks 6) Boots 7)
Gloves 8) Soap 9) Shampoo, 10) Perfume 11) Protocols and Etiquette
12) Turkish Bath 13) Dagger, hammer, axes 14) Military Marches,
15) Catapult, 16) Puppet Show 17) Tradition of syndication (for
farmers, workers, professionals) 18) Dams 19) Sickle 20) Jars and
Pots of clay 21) Brick making 22) Metals 23) Seals (Origin of
printing?) 24) Wheel (Persian wheel) 25) Coins 26) Oil 27)
Compass 28) Animal skin for writing 29) Measurement 30) Lighthouse
31) World map 32) Basic Human Flight 33) Military Fire Power 34)
Alphabet 35) Early Electrical devices 36) Fast Reporting system
(Like mores code, using mirror and sun) etc. (for more details see
Iran: Land and the People, by Mr. A.H. Saidian, Tehran, 2001)
>
> 105. King Cambyses II, of Persia, was the first person that
examined the dead bodies of the mummies of Egypt, after conquering
the Egyptian City of Memphis, in 600 B.C. (Philippine Daily Inquirer
(Trivia)June 15,2000.)
> 106. Also, the first people who fought against the
superstitious beliefs of the Egyptians (e.g. cats, bulls, crocodiles
worshipped as gods) were the Persians. King Cambyses II threw many
cats over the walls of Memphis City, and the Egyptians who believed
in cats as gods, were so scared that they surrendered the city,
without a fight (Philippine Daily Inquirer,Trivia ,2001).
> 107. The first person that gazed into a crystal ball (to see
the world events, just like a TV or a satellite) was King Jamshid of
Persia (see Jam-e Jamshid).
> 108. Persians were also pioneers in Astronomy, as Bible
states that the Magies saw the birth of Jesus Christ in the stars.
(see Mathew, Chapter II).
> 109. The belief that Number 13 is an unlucky one, was started
in Persia, some 5,000 years ago. Even today, all Persians (the
Kurdish, the Baluchis, the Central Asians, etc.) leave their homes
every 13th day of the New Year (March 21) and they go out in the
fields, so as to avoid the bad luck of the 13th day of the New Year.
> 110. Incidentally, the Phenomenon of the New Year itself is a
Persian Tradition, where the Natural New Year (first day of the
Spring, not middle of the winter!) is celebrated on March 21, every
year. (CNN,January 01, 2003).
> 111. The Persian Businessmen Mr. Hosain Qermezian and his
brothers, in Canada, introduced the first Mega Mall in the West,
during the 40s and the 50s. In that Mega Mall (which was probably
inspired by the Persian Bazaar or Timcheh) everything, from a needle
up to the latest car, is available under one roof!
> 112. The world's most glamorous building-cum-mausoleum, (one
of the Seven Wonders of the World) the Taj Mahal in India (also the
Shish Mahal or Mirror Palace in Pakistan) was designed by a Persian
Master Architect, Ustad Eisa Shirazi and his son Mohammad Shirazi, in
1631 A.D. (Village Voice, Manila, Feb.2002. Also the world's most
glamorous and the best loved Queen was a Persian Lady,Arjumand Banu
or Mumtaz Mahal, whose Mausoleum is also the best ever; -- The Taj
Mahal. In the words of the English poet, Sir Edwin Arnold: "Not a
piece of Architecture as other buildings are, but a proud passion of
an Emperor's love wrought in living stones." (Village Voice, Manila
Feb.2002).
> 113. The world's most educated (100% highly educated)
Community is that of the Parsis (the Persian Zoroastrians) who live
mostly in Iran, India, Pakistan and England. They are also one of the
most financially successful communities in the world. (They
established the first Cancer Hospital, and many other educational and
Social Centers, including some of the oldest and biggest libraries in
India - -see International Herald Tribune, April 24, 2003).
Incidentally, the most well known poet of the Gujrati language in
India is a Parsee by the name of Khabar-Dar.
> 114. The world's most expensive residence belongs to a
Persian by a name of Dr. Nasser Khalili, who lives in England. His
classical English Mansion is worth over $240 Million (Manila
Bulletin, June, 12, 200).
> 115. For further details on Persian Culture, see Webster
Dictionary for terms such as: Persiana, Persian ammoniac, Persian
apple, Persian berry, Persian blue, Persian buttercup, Persian cat,
Persian clover, Persian daisy, Persian date, Persian deer, Persian
earth, Persian green, Persian iris, Persian lamb, Persian lawn,
Persian lilac, Persian melon, Persian nightingale, Persian rose,
Persian wheel, etc.
> 116. In the fields of Religion and Philosophy: The oldest
living religion in the world, is Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion
of Persia, (Philippine Star, Jan. 26, 2002).
> 117. The first divinely revealed religion, which still
exists today is Zoroastrianism. No other religion has influenced
other world Religions like Zoroastrianism. It has influenced Judaism,
Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, (Mahayana), Manicheanism and the Pagan
European Cults. Over half of the world has virtually accepted a
significant portion of Zoroastrian teachings. Many Christian
traditions as well as some of its Philosophy are actually the
adaptations from the Zoroasterianism and Mithraism, the Persian
Religion of Sun god worshipping. Here are some examples:
>
> 1. The Christmas is, in reality, the Birthday of Mithra the
Sun-god (Not the Son of God!) which was born on December 25, after
the Saturnalia Festivals).
> 2. Virgin Mary (mother of Baby-god Jesus) resembles
Anahita, the Persian goddess, The Mother of
gods!
> 3. Sunday (the Christians Holiday) is actually dedicated
to Sun-god or Mithra, the Persian god.
> 4. Songs and praises in the churches.
> 5. Bread and wine tradition.
> 6. The white ropes of the priests.
> 7. Celibacy of the Priests and Nuns
> 8. Cross, Swastika, etc.
> 9. The symbol of Smiling Sun (Mithra) on some Christian
flags (like that of Argentina) etc.
> (Note: Even the Egyptians adopted the Persian Sun-god - -
Mithra, as their highest deity, and called him "Ra" (Probably short
for Mithra). In fact, Pharaoh [The title of the Kings of Egypt] means
The Son of Ra!). Is it possible that Ray in English has also
something to do with Ra or Mithra? How about Rex (king) in Latin, Rey
(king in Spanish), etc?
>
> Aside from Zoroastrianism, the other religious and
philosophical movements of Persia, include Mithraism (the Sun god),
which was also adopted by the Romans; Manicheanism, which was later
on adopted by the Christians in North Africa, and probably the first
communist movement called Mazdakism (500 A.D.) Later on Sufism,
Carmathism, Ismaili (Agha Khani), Babism, Bahaism, Akhbarism,
Kasravism, etc., etc.
>
> 118. According to some scholars, the most important person in
the recorded history of religion, is the Persian Prophet - -
Zoroaster. (Check Internet, Persian Culture, also Mithraism,
etc).
> 119. FAMOUS PERSIAN PROPHETS/RELIGIOUS FOUNDERS:
> 1. Zoroaster (500 B.C.), Founder of Zoroastrianism, the
oldest living religion in the world, that has influenced all other
religions, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
> 2. Maani "The Messenger of Light" (the founder of Gnosticism
and Manicheanism that influenced Christianity, later). The expression
of "Manichaean language" or religious absolutism came from there.
> 3. Mazdak (founder of Mazdakism, a communist movement at 500
AD).
> 4. Baabak Khorram-din, 800 AD (Founder of the Religious-
Political movement of Khorram Dinan).
> 5. Hassan Sabbah (founder of Militant Esmailism and the
originator of the Assassins, or the Hashashin movement, also known
as Fedayins, 11th century A.D).
> 6. Agha Khan Mahallati 1900 A.D. (Founder of Agha Khani /
Esmaili sect.).
> 7. Baab (Ali Mohammad) 1900 A.D. (Founder of Babism).
> 8. Bahaullah,1900 A.D. (Founder of Bahaism).
> 9. Shah Nematullah Kermani, Sheikh Safi-Uddin, Safi Ali Shah
and many other founders of Sufi Orders.
> 120. The hippies of Europe and America got their hairstyle
and their shabby looks (and probably their ideas, too from the Fekirs
and Qalandars of India, who in turn got it from the Dervishes and
Sufis of Persia!
> 121. The philosophy of Yin and Yang (male-female/positive-
negative), which is the foundation of the Taoist religion in China,
Korea, Japan, etc., was first introduced by the Persian Prophet
Zoroaster, as the Ahura Mazda (God of light) and Ahriman (God of
darkness) some 5,000-6,000 years ago.
> It was later on expanded further by another Persian
Prophet-Maani, as religious and philosophical Dualism of Good and
Evil (see Webster).
> 122. The concept of Celibacy in Christianity was one of the
many influences of the Persian Prophet Maani on the Christian Faith
("Manicaean influences on the Augustinian Doctrines") see Webster.
> 123. Special respect for the animals, particularly cows and
bulls, which was very popular among the early Egyptians and the
Indians today, has an Aryan (Iranian) origin. It's because of those
animals' great roles in agriculture and human sustenance. (And
considering that the early Egyptians and the Brahmans of India, were
actually the emigrants from the Land of Arya, the connections becomes
more evident).
> But, while the Indian and the Egyptian cultures
considered all animals sacred, even the dangerous ones (crocodiles,
snakes, disease-carrying mice, etc.) the Persians respected the good
ones, but also did not hesitate to kill the harmful.
>
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>
>
> 124. The latest archeological, historical and linguistic
researches very clearly show that the Europeans (Eastern and Western)
were originally the migrants from the Land of the Aryans (Iran). So
were the ruling classes of Egypt (the Pharaohs), and India (the
Brahmans), as well as the ancient Greeks and the Romans.
> In other words, all those leading cultures of the
ancient world were the children of the migrant Iranians of the olden
days.
> But how about the White Americans of today? Well,
the White Americans are actually the children of of the European
migrants, or the "grandchildren" of the Persians or the Iranians!
> 125. The first people, who accepted and believed in Jesus
Christ, were the Persians. See the story of the three Magi/Wise
men/Kings, who came from Persia to see baby Jesus (Ref. Mathew II).
> 126. In Political and Economic Fronts. The first revolution
in the Middle East, even ahead of the 1917 Russian Revolution, was
the Mashruta (Constitutional) Revolution of Iran, in 1906. It changed
the country from an absolute Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy.
> 127. The first religious revolution in the world, that led to
the establishment of an Islamic Republic, took place in Iran in 1979.
Ahmad Ben Bella, the revolutionary president of Algeria called it
the "Miracle of our Age". (Ettelaat, Tehran January 1980).
> That Islamic Revolution caused the Revival of the
Islamic aspirations all over the Muslim world, which is visible
everywhere, today. (Time Magazine, New York, April 16, 1979. Also
International Herald Tribune September 4, 2002)
> 128. The first nationalization of oil and other natural
resources in the Middle East was lead by Dr. Mohammad Mosaddeq of
Iran, in 1940s and 1950s.
> 129. The first oil well in the world was found and drilled in
the Persian City of Baku (or Baad Kubeh = the Windy City, now the
capital of Azerbaijan) in the 1394, A.D. (New World, Siemens
Magazine, Germany Sept. 2001). It was in this same region that the
first Temple of Fire was built by the followers of Zoroaster the
Persian Prophet some 5, 000 years ago).
> 130. The first oil pipeline also was built in Baku, from the
woods of the Caspian region.
> 131. The first oil tanker in the world was built in Baku, and
it was named after the Persian Prophet the Zoroaster. (Source: New
World, Siemens Magazine, Germany, Sept. 2001).
> 132. The largest inland body of water in the world, is
located in Northern Persia. The Caspian Sea, with the best Caviar in
the world, plus oil, gas and a lot of flora and fauna.
> 133. In Poetry and Literature:
> A. One Thousand and one Nights (The "Arabian Nights" or
corrected The Persian Nights, written in the 10th century A.D.)
> B. Undoubtedly the best poetry that was created by man, in:
> 1. The Rubaiyyat of Omar Khayyam
> 2. The Shah Namah of Firdausi (The "Paradise Man") the story
of Rostum and Sohrab.
> 3. The Math-nawi. The ultimate light of mysticism and Sufism
by Jalalud Din Rumi. (The best-seller in the US today)!
> 4. The best Love Songs in the Odes of Hafez of Shiraz, who
is considered as the "Greatest Poet ever who walked this earth"! (See
The Gift, Collection of Hafiz's Poems, by Daniel Ladinsky, 1998,
N.Y., USA). Hafez is also adored and "worshipped" by J.W. Goethe, the
greatest poet of Germany and Europe).
> 5. The classical Persian Romanticism by Nezami of Ganjeh;
> 6. The Purest Sufi Expressions in the "Ruba'iyyat"of Baba
Tahir "The Oryan".
> 7. The Sweetest language in poetry and prose in the Rose
Gardens (Gulestan and later Bustan) of Sheikh Sa'di.
>
>
> In Islamic Sciences and Islamic Civilization:
>
> The Persians also played the greatest role in the
development of the Islamic Sciences and Islamic Civilization, as well
as the preservation and spreading of it, in the world, as follows:
>
> 134. Salman Al-Farsi was the first person to translate the
Holy Quran into a foreign language (i.e. Persian).
> 135. The first time the Holy Qur'an was printed in a Muslim
country (by modern machines) was in Persia, in 1866 A.D. (Ref.
Ettelaat International, Tehran, 1996).
> 136. The first melodious translation of the Holy Qur'an (as
the original Arabic is also melodious) for a better reading and an
easier memorization of its verses, by the non-Arabs, was done by the
Persian scholar, Dr. Fazlollah Nikayin - - in the USA(1998).
> This translation which is titled, "Qur'an: A Poetic
Translation from the Original" is first of its kind, not only in
English language, but also in any other translation of the Holy
Qur'an, in 1,400 year history of Islam. (Reference: The Ultimate Book
2000, Skokie Publications (Illinois) U.S.A.)
> 137. The most translated language of the entire Holy Qur'an
in the world is Persian---some one thousand translations (Ref.
Ettalaat International, Tehran, 1996)
> 138. The youngest person, who ever memorized the entire Holy
Qur'an, was a 5-year-old Persian boy by the name of M.H. Taba-Tabai.
(He received a Ph.D. from the Hijaz Islamic College of England, as
the youngest scholar of the Holy Qur'an in 1996).
> 139. The greatest Imam among the majority of Muslims---Imam
Abu Hanifah was a Persian.
> 140. The greatest master of SUFISM (Islamic Mysticism) was Al-
Ghazzali, another Persian teacher, (Some orientalists consider him
as the most qualified scholar in Islam, aside from the Prophet
Mohammad himself).
> 141. The greatest interpreter of the Holy Quran in Islam, is
Tabari, also a Persian.
> 142. All the earliest collectors and writers of the
traditions of Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H.) who preserved and spread
his words, were Persians--Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidi, Ibni Maja, Nasai
and Abu Dawoud.
> 143. The man, who finally defeated the western crusaders,
liberated Jerusalem from the invaders and saved the Muslims from a
total annihilation, was a Kurdish (Persian) man by the name of
Salahud Din (Saladin the Magnificent).
> 144. The greatest grammarian of Arabic language was a Persian-
-the Sibwaih of Shiraz.
> 145. The first compiler of Arabic Dictionary was a Persian by
the name of Khalil Bin Ahmad.
> 146. The first scholar who organized, formulated and
established the Science of Rhetoric, Elocution and Prosody in Arabic
language was a Persian master by the name of Sheikh Abdul Qadir
Jorjani (Gorgani).
> 147. The greatest Philosophical mind after Aristotle, who
preserved philosophy from destruction during the Dark Ages (of
Europe) was Al-Farabi the Persian. He was a linguist and a music
virtuoso. He is known as the Second Master. (After Aristotle).
> 148. The greatest intellectual during the Middle Ages was Abu
Ali Sina (Avicena) the Persian Physician-Philosopher (see
International Herald Tribune, Oct. 11, 2001).
> 149. The first scientific book that was printed in the world,
after the invention of the printing machine, was the Cannon of Abu
Ali Sina (or Avicena, the Persian Physician-Philosopher). His medical
masterpiece was the most popular textbook of Medicine, in European
Colleges and Universities, during the Middle Ages and up to the 18th
Century A.D.(By the way, the earliest College of Medicine, recorded
in the History of Iran was "Gundishapur Medical School", 500 A.D.
Also take note that the terms, Medica, Medicine, etc. came from
Medes=Medeo-Persian Men).
> 150. The first man who introduced Arabic numerals in the West
(which used Roman Numerals, before) was a Persian scholar by the name
of Al Kharwrazmi (9th century A.D.).
> 151. The first physician in the world, who treated Small Pox,
was Zakariyya Al Razi (10th century A.D.).
> 152. The first scientist who invented a computing machine was
Al-Kashani (15th century A.D.).
> 153. The first scientist who explained the cause of rainbow
in 13th century A.D. was another Persian called Qutb Shirazi.
(Source: Islam: A global civilization, Cambridge, U.K. 1995.)
> 154. The first scientist who measured the distance between
the Earth and the Moon was a Persian by the name of Naseer ud-Din
Tousi (13th century A.D.).
> 155. The first physician who diagnosed and treated Meningitis
during the Dark Ages was Abu Ali Sina (11th century A.D.). (Source:
The Islamic Text Society Cambridge U.K. 1995).
> 156. The greatest Muslim scholar, who collected and preserved
Islamic traditions and teachings, is another Persian by the name of
Mohammad Majlesi (17th century A.D.) His masterpiece on Islamic
teaching and traditions (titled, Behar Al-Anwaar) is 100 plus Volumes.
> 157. The most prominent religious and political figure in the
history of Islam in the past 1,000 years (as far as the political and
religious revival of the Muslim world is concerned) was Ayatullah
Ruhullah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic Revolution of Iran
(1979). He was named, Man of the Year (Time, 1980).
> 158. The greatest collection and preservation of the Islamic
Arts in the world belongs to a Persian patron of Arts, by the name of
Dr. Nasser Khalili, who lives in England. (Mabuhay Magazine,
Philippines, 1998).
> 159. Qawwali, the Art of Sufi chanting with music, started in
Persia, in the 9th century A.D. before it came to India (also
Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc.) It was also spread westward to
Turkey and other countries up to Algeria, Tunesia and Morocco, in
North Africa.
> It is a form of Praising Allah, remembering the Holy Prophet,
and the spiritual men of God, thru musical songs.
> 160. The first scientists who claimed that the Earth was
actually round (not flat, as the Europeans believed) were the Muslim
scholars of Persia (Gardeshgari, Iran, March 2002).
> 161. Persian Muslim Scientists knew the Law of Gravity, as
early as 840 A.D. (Ibid).
> 162. The Iranian master musicians, like Abu Ishaq Musuli,
actually thought the Arabs the Fine Art of Music, but later on they
gave up on music, upon conversion to Islam, because of Religious
reasons (Motahhari,Khadamat, Tehran, Iran, 1970).
> 163. The most popular word among the Muslim Communities,
around the world for Teacher/Guru/Master/Spiritual Leader, is
Ustad/Ustaz, a Persian word which means Educator/Trainor .
> 164. Muslims in Central Asia, South West Asia, South East
Asia and China, still use the Islamic terms, in Persian, rather than
in the Original Arabic Language. Examples are: Namaz (Prayer) Ruzah
(Fasting) Bang (call to prayer) Aub-dast (Ablution) Farman (Teaching)
etc. etc.
> 165. The most brilliant and the most intellectual Caliph in
the History of Islam, was a half-Persian, by the name of Ma-moon.
His father was Khalifa Haroon Ar-Rashid, and his mother, a lady from
Persia by the name of Maragel.
> This same Khalifa Ma-moon, translated and transferred
all the Greek Philosophy and Science books into Arabic (by the help
of mostly Iranian scholars) and thus saved Ancient Science and
Philosophy for mankind, by protecting them from destruction during
the Dark Ages of Europe! He established the House of Wisdom or House
of Sciences in Baghdad in 9th Century A.D.
> 166. The first Muslim woman in the world, who won the Noble
Peace Prize, was the Iranian Lady Judge, Shirin Ebadi (Year 2003).
> 167. Iran was probably the only country in the Middle East
(and one of the few in the world) that was not colonized by the
foreign powers, in the Modern History.
> 168. One of the chief architects of OPEC (the first oil
cartel in the Third World, which turned many poor oil producing
countries into super-rich) was the Shah of Iran, Shah Mohammad Reza
Pahlavi (International Herald Tribune, October 18, 2003)
> 169. The world's most exclusive "couturier" (for the rich and
the famous) is Mr. "Bijan", an Iranian master designer in New York
with over $300 Million of income annually. (Mohajer, info@i...)
> 170. The First Sheikhul Islam of Siam (Modern Thailand) was a
Persian Statesman by the name of Shaikh Ahmad Qommi (1600 AD). He
was later on appointed by the King of Thailand as the Prime Minister
of Siam. (Thailand: A Golden Land by M. Tamhidi, Al Hoda Publishing,
Tehran. 2001)
> Also, the first Sheikhul Islam of Aceh in Indonesia,
Seyyed Hassan Astar Abadi was a Persian religious leader, during the
reign of "Sultan Malek Salek" of Aceh, 17th century. (ibid.)


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Ancient India's Contribution to Production Technology and Mechanical Engineering



"Many of the advances in the sciences that we consider today to have been made in Europe were in fact made in India centuries ago."


- Grant Duff
British Historian of India


We have been told through Indian as well as foreign literary sources that in ancient times, commodities like sugar, palm oil, coconut oil, cotton cloth, clarified butter, cast iron, tin sheets, copper vessels, dyes and pigments like cinnabar (ochre), indigo and lac, perfumes like sandalwood oil, musk tamarind, costus, macir, camphor, and even crude glass crockery were being exported from India.(The Periplus of the Erythrean Sea - Travelsand Trade in the Indian Ocean by a Merchant in the First Century, Translated from the Greek and Annoted by Wilfred H. Schoff, Longmans Green and Co. New York, 1912)

These items are not gifts of nature, their manufacture involves processing to effect chemical changes in their properties notably in the case of sugar, glass, metals and perfumes. Thus some kind of chemical engineering must have existed in India in those times i.e. about 2000 to 2500 years ago. Alongwith this chemical processing, some physical apparatus would have been used. This presumes the existence of at least a rudimentary knowledge that in today's terminology would be called 'mechanical engineering'.

The earliest recorded use of copperware in India has been around 3000 B.C. the findings at Mohen-jo-daro and Harappa, bear this out The earliest documented observation of smelting of metals in India is by Greek Historians in the 4th Century B.C.

No doubt, the chemical and mechanical engineering would have been very rudimentary by today's standards but nevertheless it would have been chemical and mechanical engineering of some standard as is evident from the following references about the quality of Indian products in foreign literature of those times.

When referring to India, the author of the Greek text Periplus, which is dated around the 1st century A.D. has said, "There is a river near it called the Ganges" .... "On its bank is a market town which has the same name as the river, Ganges. Through this place are brought malabathrum and Gangetic spikenard and pearls and muslins of the finest sorts, which are called Gangetic. It is said that there are gold mines near these places, and there is a gold coin which is called caltis. And just opposite this river there is an island in the ocean, the last part of the inhabited world towards the east, under the rising sun itself, it is called Chryse; and it has the best tortoise-shell of all the places on the Erythrean Sea"2

The Periplus further states that "Nelcynda is distant from Muziris by river and sea about five hundred stadia, and is of another kingdom, the Pandian. This place also is situated on a river, about one hundred and twenty stadia from the sea." ... "They send large ships to these market towns on account of the great quantity and bulk of pepper and malabathrum. There are imported here, in the first place, a great quantity of coin; topaz, thin clothing," "fine linen, antimony, coral, crude glass, copper,tin, lead; wine, not much, but as much as at Barygaza; realgar and orpiment; and wheat enough for sailors," "There is exported pepper which is produced in quantity only in one region near these markets, a district called Cottonara.

Besides this there are exported great quantities of fine pearls, ivory, silk cloth, spikenard from the Ganges, malabathrum from the places in the interior,transparent stones of all kinds, diamonds and sapphires"3

About other commodities the Periplus says, "The voyage to all these far-side market towns is made from Egypt about the month of July, that is Epiphi. And ships are also customarily fitted out from the places across the sea, from Ariaca and Barygaza, bringing to these far-side market-towns the products" "wheat, rice, clarified butter, sesame oil, cotton cloth (the monache and the sagmatogene), and gridles, and honey from the reed called Sacchari." 4

Thus we see that in a rambling manner, the Periplus refers to the "muslins of the finest sorts," "fine pearls, ivory, silk cloth" "crude glass", "coins", etc'., apart from many other commodities that were exported from India. Other western historians, and traveller-adventurers like Megasthanes, Strabo, Ptolemy, Fa Hien, Huen Tsang, Pliny, Marco Polo, Al Beruni, Ibn Batuta, etc., have also enumerated the various commodities that were produced and exported by India.

The following is a list of various commodities that were exported from India in ancient times. The present day English names of most of these commodities have originated from Sanskrit. This list has been compiled from references to India made by Western, Chinese and Arab historians in ancient and medieval ages. (LIst to be included shortly)

We shall now have a detailed look at some of these products which were imported from ancient India. We will begin with Perfumes.


This mirrorwork dates back to to the12th Century A.D. But smelting of metals and derivation of alloys was done since 3000 B.C. in ancient India

The Distillation Of Perfumes

The distillation of scents, perfumes and fragrant liquids and ointments was one area where the knowledge of chemistry was applied in India since ancient times. In fact the very word 'scent' which is of unexplained origin according to the Oxford Dictionary, is possibly derived from the Sanskrit term Sugandha which literally means 'good or aromatic paste'. This word could have been transmitted to European languages through the Greek langua which has borrowed (and lent) many wor from Sanskrit. Other instances of such transmission are the English words li 'cotton' which is derived from the Sanskrit Karpasa or the word 'sugar' derived frc the Sanskrit Sharkara, etc. Many present day perfumes had existed

India since ancient times and perhaps had originated here. In ancient times perfumes and fragrant ointments were of two typ viz., Teertha (liquids) and Gandha (slurries or ointments). During the coronation Kings or durlng any auspicious occasion person was sprinkled with aromatic oils. Fragrant ointments based on sandalwood were applied during ceremonial bathing. Even today during some festivals like Diwali aromatic slurries and pastes are prepared out of a powder called Sugandhi. Utne and are used during the ceremonial bath which is taken during that festival. Even in other religious rites, Sandalwood, Ochre and Camphor are traditionally used by Hindus.

Sandalwood: Since very early times Sandalwood and Sandalwood oil were items of export. The Greek text of the 1st century A.D., Periplus mentions sandalwood as one of the items being imported from India. The word Sandal (wood) is derived from the Latin terms Santalum Album or Santalacae. These terms used by the Romans to describe sandalwood were, according to the Oxford Dictionary, derived from the Sanskrit term Chandana, for sandalwood.

The Sandalwood tree is native to India and is found mainly in South-western India in t he state of Karnataka. Sandalwood has been a known item of export from India since ancient times. Authors of Sanskrit texts on botany which in Sanskrit is called Vanaspati-Shastra had classified Sandalwood into three types viz. white sandalwood Shrikanda (which perhaps is an abbreviation of the term Shewta-Chandana ), the second is yellow sandalwood or Pitta-Chandana and the last is red sandalwood or RaktaChandana

The reference to Sandalwood in the Periplus is perhaps the earliest available western reference to Sandalwood. It has been mentioned in later times by Comas Indiwpleustes in the 6th century A.D. as Tzandana and thereafter it is frequently referred to by Arab traders. Oil was also extracted from Sandalwood. This oil which was a thick but refined liquid was extracted in specially constructed oil mills called Teyl-Peshani and Teylena-Lip. The oil extracted from these mills was a thick, dark yellow liquid. Alongwith Sandalwood, the Sandalwood oil was also an item of export from India during ancient times. Sandalwood oil was mainly bought by the Romans between the 1st and 3rd centuries A.D.

Musk: Musk is also a fragrant substance which is secreted in the gland by a male musk-deer. Musk is redish-brown in colour and is used as a base for perfumes and also as an ingredient for soaps to give it a musky smell. In Sanskrit, Musk is known as Muska which means the scortum i.e. the pouch of skin containing the testicles of the deer. The English term Musk originates from the Sanskrit term Muska according to the Oxford Dictionary.

The Sanskrit word Muska is perhaps derived from the words Maunsa or Masa which means 'flesh'. In Sanskrit, other words used for musk are Kasturi, Kastutrika and Mruga-Nabhi. The last term literally means 'a deer's navel'.

Tamarind: Tamarind is a fruit whose acid pulp is used in the making of cooling or medicinal drinks. The English word Tamarind is derived from the Latin term 'Tamarindus Indica' which is derived from the Arabic term Tamr-Hindi which means 'Dates from India'. The Arabs were familiar with only one form of fruit i.e. Dates, which grow in the desert. Thus when they came across another fruit which they could use in the making of cool refreshing drinks they named it 'Dates from India' Tamr-Hindi; after the country from where they had obtained the fruit. In Sanskrit, Tamarind is called Chincha and Amlica. The latter term is derived from the word Amlica which means acidic. This name is given to Tamarind due to the acidic odour and juice that it has. This fruit was an item of export from India since ancient times. The fact that it originated in India is evident from the name Tamr-Hindi which the Arabs gave it.

Camphor: Camphor is a whitish translucent crystalline volatile substance with aromatic smell and bitter taste. It is also used in pharmacy as a medicinal drug. The word camphor is derived from the Latin word 'Camphora' which comes from the Arabic term Kafur, which ultimately originated from the Sanskrit term Karpuram, according to the Oxford Dictionary.

The Sanskrit words for Camphor, apart from Karpuram are Hima-Valuka which literally means 'Snow-sand' and Chandraka which means 'like a moon' perhaps because it is whitish and translucent. Camphor was also an item exported from India since ancient times. The Camphor that was exported was not in its natural form but it was refined and cut into strips and square pieces before being loaded for export. That it was mainly obtained from India is established by the fact that the name chosen for this commodity was the corrupted version of the original Sanskrit term. Even today Camphor is used by devout Hindus as an incense during prayer.

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Spikenard : Spikenard was a costly aromatic ointment extracted since ancient times from an Indian plant known in Sanskrit as Nardostachys Jatamansi which perhaps means 'the braid of hair (Jataa) of (Narada). The English word Spikenard is derived from the Greek term Nardostakhus and the Latin term Spica Nardi; both the terms are derived from the Sanskrit term Nardostachys Jatamansi. This plant has purplish-yellow flower heads and is very rarely found. Its smell is quite pleasing and hence it had been in great demand since ancient times.

In Sanskrit, other terms used to refer to this plant are, Jatila which means 'difficult', Tapasvini which literally means 'concentration and devotion'. These words used to describe Spikenard indicate that it was very difficult to obtain and cultivate this plant. In India this herb was available only in the Himalayas. Spikenard, which is aromatic and bitter, yields on distillation a pleasant smelling oil.

In India, it had been used since ancient times as an aromatic adjunct in the preparation of medicinal oils and was popularly believed to increase th growth and blackness of hair. The Roman historian Pliny observes the Spikenard was considered very precious i Rome and it was stored in alabaster boxes by persons of eminence.

Another aromatic herb exported from ar cient India was the Nard. It is a root of th ginger-grass found in western Punjab an Baluchistan. The Nard is found in semi-aril areas and it seems to have been found by Alexander in Gedrosia (Baluchistan) when hi army unknowingly trampled the plant whil on march and this resulted in a sweet pel fume which we are told "was diffused fa and wide over the land by the trampling". The Nard is known in Latin as Cymbopogon Jwarancusa the word Cusa is perhaps de rived from the Sanskrit word Kusha fo grass. The use of the word grass to refer tz Nard is perhaps because of its being confused by the Romans with other aromatic grasses like lemon grass, gingergrass, citronella, etc., which also yield aromatic oils.

Costus: Costus is the root of the plans Saussurea Lappa, a tall perennial plant growing on the open slopes of the vale or Kashmir and other high valleys of that region. The plant is found at elevations ol 8000 to 13000 feet. It was used by the Romans as a culinary spice as also as a perfume.

This root was dug up and cut into small pieces and shipped to Rome and China. The root is generally of the size of a finger wit' a yellowish woody part and a whitish barl It is said that Seleucus Callinicus had ot tained Costus from India and sent it as gift to the Milesians.6 The Romans also re ferred to costus as radix, the root as distirguished from Nard which was called folio the leaf. The price of Costus in Rome is stated by Pliny to have been 5 denarii per pound.

India still exports Costus and today the collection of Costus is a state monopoly. In Kashmir the product is used by shawl merchants to protect their fabrics from moths. The Indian origin of Costus is evident from the fact that the word is derived from the Sanskrit term Kustha which means 'that which stands in the earth'. This word was perhaps used as Costus was a root.

Macir:

Macir is mentioned by Dioscorides as an aromatic bark. Pliny says that it was brought from India. He describes it as a red bark growing upon a large root, which bears the name Macir from the tree that produced it. He prescribed a mixture of this bark with honey as a cure for dysentery. The word Macir is today neither found in the English nor the Sanskrit Dictionaries but it has been mentioned in the Periplus on pages 80 and 81.

-The word Macir has been said to have been derived from the Sanskrit word Makara which in India was said to have been used in ancient times as a traditional Ayurvedic remedy for dysentery. Macir seems to have been the root-bark of the tree Holarrhena Antidysentrica which according to the notes appended to the Periplus was found throughout India and Burma in the lower Himalayas upto 3500 feet.

Both the bark and seed of this tree were among the most important medicines in the Ayurvedic system of medicine. According to the notes to the Periplus. "This tree found by the Portuguese was called 'Herba malabarica owing to its great merit in the treatment of dysentery they having found it on the Malabar coast. The preparation, generally in the form of a solid or liquid extract, or of a decoction, is astringent, anti-dysenteric an anthelmintic. The seeds yield a fixed oil, and the wood ash is used in dyeing.'' Thus this commodity which was exported from India in early times had multiple uses.

The Making Of Dyes And Pigments

Many dyes and pigments were extracted in ancient India from vegetable and mineral bases. The Greek historian Ktesias who lived in the 4th century B.C. at the Persian Court has observed that "Among the Indians are found certain insects about the size of beetles and of a colour so red that at first sight one might mistake them for cinnabar. Their legs are of extraordinary length and soft to the touch. They grow upon trees which produce amber, and subsist upon their fruit. The Indians collect them for the sake of the purple dye, which they yield when crushed. This dye is used for tinting with purple not only their outer and under-garments, but also any other substance where a purple hue is required. Robes tinted with this purple are sent to the Persian King, for Indian purple is thought by the Persians be marvellously beautiful and far superior to their own." Ktesias also says that the Indian dye is deeper and more brilliant than the renowned Lydian Purple.

We will discuss some of these dyes which were extracted in ancient India, e.g. indigo, lac, ochre, copal, anline, in the following pages.

Lac:

Lac is a resinous substance secreted on trees by an insect called the Lac insect. This is used as a protective covering and as varnish on wooden furniture. According to the Oxford Dictionary the English word lac is derived from the Sanskrit term Laksha which itself is derived from the word Raksha which in Sanskrit means protection. This was perhaps as lac was used as a protective covering. Lac was also used as a dye. In ancient times it was used by women for dyeing nails and palms. It was also used to dye cloth. The process of dyeing cloth with lac was termed Vastra-ranga-kruta which literally means 'to give colour to cloth' . In doing this screens were used to hold cloth in place while the dye was being applied.

In ancient times, lac was used both as a dye and a resin but with the introduction of aniline, the demand for lac as a dye became less. It is today used mainly as a resin called 'shellac', which is melted into thin flakes and used to make varnish.

Ochre:

Ochre is a pigment varying from light yellow to orange and brown. It is a mineral of clay and hydrated ferric oxide. The old name of ochre is cinnabar which was perhaps derived from the Sanskrit term Sindhura. According to the Century Dictionary, the word cinnabar originated from the Persian word zinjafr, which is a corruption of the Sanskrit Sindhura.

Ochre (or cinnabar) was used as a dye for cloth and also as a paint for walls in Roman times. In India it was, and still is used to paint images of Gods and as a caste mark applied on the forehead called tilaka.

Copal :

Copal is a resin extracted from a tree which in Latin is named Vateria Indica. This tree is to be found in the Western Ghats (Hills) of India. The word copal is not to be found today in the Oxford Dictionary, but according to the Periplus, " it is derived from the Sanskrit term "Kankamon".

ANILINE : This is a blue coloured dye obtained from coal tar. This was being extracted in ancient India and was Transmitted to the west by the Arabs. It was called Neel or Neelam in Sanskrit. The Arabs named it AI Nil or An Nil from which we have the English word Aniline. This is corroborated by the Oxford Dictionary.

Indigo: Indigo is also a blue coloured dye obtained from a plant named Indigofera. In ancient times, indigo was used both as a dye and as a medicine. The word indigo is derived from the Greek word Indikon which means 'from India'. In Sanskrit it is referred to as Neelam.


    
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The Smelting Of Metals

According to information culled out from various Roman and Greek texts, metals like iron, tin, copper and brass were imported from India. These texts say that the metals were not being imported as an ore but as sheets. This presumes that the ore must have been smelted and cast into sheets in India before it was exported. References in Sanskrit literature also support this.

According to a Greek writer named Ktesias who lived in Persia in the 4th century B.C., the smelting of metals was undertaken in India in those days. He has written that, "Every year a spring filled itself with fluid gold which was drawn from it in one hundred earthen pitchers. It was necessary that they should be of clay, because the gold afterwards congealed, and the pitchers had to be broken in order to get it out." "Each pitcher contained one talent of gold".

On this remark of Ktesias, McCrindle, who has translated Ktesias' writings, has noted that "The sense of this passage can only be that auriferous ores were melted, and that the gold obtained from them was drawn out in a fluid state. That there was a spring, must be a misapprehension, and we must imagine instead that there was a cistern prepared to receive gold."... "If this supposition is right, it follows that the Indians knew how to extract gold from the ore by melting''.

We shall now look into some of the metals that were being exported from India.

Iron:

Marco Polo has mentioned that iron and Ondanique was sold in the markets of Kerman in Iran. The word Ondanique has been interpreted as a corruption of the Persian word Hundwaniy which meant 'Indian Steel'.

Even earlier, during the reigns of the Roman Emperors Marcus Aurelius and Commodus, Ferrum Indium appears in the list of dutiable articles. There also exists an ancient Greek chemical treatise entitled "On the Tempering of Indian Steel". Edrisi has noted that "The Hindus excel in the manufacture of iron. They have also workshops wherein are forged the most famous sabres in the world. It is impossible to find anything to surpass the edge that you get from Indian Steel". This passage which has been quoted in the notes to the Periplus on page 71 proves beyond doubt, in the words of a foreign historian, that the art of smelting and casting iron was well developed in ancient India.

In ancient times, in India, Loha-churna meant iron ore; Kupya- shala and Sandhaani meant an iron foundry'. A furnace was called Chuli or Agnikund. Wrought iron was called Lohabandhan, iron bars were called Loha-pindaha. Smelting of iron was called Loha-drava-Karan (literally, liquefaction of Iron). Loha-chinha meant an iron mould and Lohakaraka meant a smith or ironmonger.

Tin:

In ancient tunes tin was known as Kassiteros in the Greek language. This word was derived from the early Sanskrit word Kasthira for tin. Even today in some Indian languages tin and aluminium are called Kathila which is derived from the Sanskrit word Kasthira.

In ancient India the value of tin for hardening copper was recognised and the art of tempering tin with other metals was developed. The fact is corroborated by the comments of the Greek historians (quoted below in the section on Copper) regarding the excellent tempering of various metals that had been practised in India.

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Copper :

Copper has been mentioned in the Periplus as an article of export from India. In those days copper ore was extracted in a big way and it was smelted locally in South India and Rajputana, according to the Periplus.

Philostratus of Lemnos, in about 230 A.D. has mentioned a shrine in Taxila in India, in which were hung pictures on copper tablets representing the feats of Alexander and Porus. In the words of Philostratus "The various figures were portrayed in a mosaic of orichalcum, silver, gold, and oxidised copper, but the weapons in iron. The metals were so ingeniously worked into one another that the pictures which they formed were comparable to the productions of the most famous Greek artists''.

In ancient India copper was also known as Tamara, copper plate was called Tamara-Patra. Tamrakar meant a copper smith and Tamara-pana meant a copper coin.

Brass :

Brass is not an original metal obtained from natural ore, it is a composite metal found as an alloy of copper and zinc. From the above quotation of Philostratus it is evident that in ancient India the art of welding metals together was known. We cannot conclusively say that Brass (called Pitalam in Sanskrit) was manufactured in ancient India but the fact that their were Sanskrit equivalents for copper (Tamara, Kasthira), zinc (Dasta) an alloy which was called Mishradhatu (mixed metal) Nyunata (novelty) and Du****aha (impurity) supports the fact that Brass, or a Brass-like metal, was smelted in ancient India.

Thus it was recognised that an alloy would be a mixture of metals, that it would be novelty; and that due to the mixing of metals, the resultant alloy would be impure in the sense that it would not be a metal derived from a natural mineral ore.

It is possible that brass was used for decorative purposes due to its likeness to gold. Thus we have the terms like Pitalam-Pushpakam, Pitalam Kusuman janam and Pitalam-Pushpaketu which mean efflorescence created from brass. The ornamental use of brass in ancient India is also evident from the quotation of Philosotratus given above in the section on copper.

Corundum :

This unfamiliar word connotes crystallised aluminium oxide of various colours having great hardness and used as gems and also as an abrasive. We have been told that certain gems were used to cut metals in ancient India, corundum, or Kuruvinda in Sanskrit, was one such gem. Corundum was also exported from India to foreign countries since ancient times. The fact that India was the main source of this item is evident from the name Corundum given to it which according to the Oxford Dictionary is derived from the Sanskrit word Kuruvinda.

Nowshadder :

This is another unfamiliar term which means chloride of ammonium. This was also being obtained from ancient India. The word Nowshadder is also derived from a Sanskrit root word 'Narasara'.

Beryl :

This is a mineral species of a transparent precious stone varying from pale green to yellow in colour. This was one of the items of export from India during early times. The word Beryl is said to have been derived from the Sanskrit term Vaidurya.

Copal :

This is an amorphous quartz like form of hydrated silica, some types of opal are semi-translucent and appear like glass. This item is recorded to have been exported in ancient times from India. The English word Opal has been derived from the Sanskrit term Upala a fact which is corroborated by the Oxford Dictionary.

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The Processing Of Agro-Based Products

Indians in ancient times had invented methods of extracting oil from agro-products like, coconut, palm, sesame, etc., for doing this, oil presses and oil mills were used. The oil was refined through the use of special sieves. Sugar was also being manufactured. The making of sugar presumed the existence of a process of vaporisation, condensation and crystallisation of sugar alongwith the apparatus like a mill, a sugarcane press, a furnace, etc., Various agro-based products were made in India and exported abroad since the last 2000 to 2500 years. To support this claim we have the observations of foreign historians and also references in Sanskrit literature.

A Greek historians named Ktesias whom we referred to earlier and who was a contemporary of Hippokrates, has written that, "There is bred in the Indian river a worm, like in appearance to that which is found in the fig, but seven cubits more or less in length, while its thickness is such that only a boy ten years old could hardly clasp it within the circuit of his arms.'' In this passage Ktesias is obviously referring to the Indian python, he further says that, "For catching this worm a large hook is employed, to which a kid or a lamb is fastened by chains of iron. The worm being landed, the captors hang up its carcass, and placing vessels underneath it leave it thus for thirty days. All this time oil drops from it, as much being got as would fill ten Attic Kotylai. At the end of thirty days they throw away the worm, and preserving the oil they take it to the king of the Indians, and to him alone, for no subject is allowed to get a drop of it. This oil (like fire) sets everything ablaze over which it is poured and it consumes not alone wood but even animals. The flames can be quenched only by throwing over them a great quantity of clay, and that of a thick consistency".

(Quoted from Ancient India as described by Ktesias the Knidian, Translated from Greek by J.W. McCrindle, Trubner and Co., London 1882, P. 28.)

The above passage describes one method of extracting the body oil from a python which we are told had an inflammable quality and which, we are told through our epics, was used in warfare, in ancient India in Agniban or Agniastra. This word dhanikru seems to have been derived from creek commentator has also described other methods of extracting oils from trees which were used as lubricants and perfumes.

He has said that " there are certain trees in India as tall as the cedar or the cypress, having leaves like those of the date palm, only some what Broader, but having no shoots sprouting from the stems . They produce a flower like the male laurel, out no fruit. In the Indian language they are called Karpion, " "These trees are scarce. There oozes from them an oil in drops, which are wiped off from the stem with wool, from which they are afterwards wrung out and received into alabaster boxes of stone. The oil is in colour of a faint red, of a somewhat thick consistency. Its smell is sweetest in all the world, and is said to diffuse itself to a distance of five stadia around. The privilege of possessing this perfume belongs only c the king and the members of the royal family We shall see below the various agro based products that were manufactured and exported by ancient Indians.

Sugar:

"Honey from the reed called saccharin This is the first mention of the word sugar in western literature according to the notes appended to the Periplus. It was known to Pliny as a medicine. The word sugar is derived from the word quoted above Sacchari which means sugar in Prakrit. In the Sanskrit original it is called Sharkara, from which we have the Arabic Sukkar and the Latin Saccharum.

Most modern languages reflect the Arabic form, e.g. we have the Portuguese: Assucar, Spanish Azucar, French: Sucre, German: Zuker and English: Sugar.

In Latin the Sugarcane plant is termed Saccharum Officinarum, in Sanskrit it is called Sharkara Ikshu. According to the Periplus, sugarcane was first cultivated and crushed in India. Apart from sugar, jaggery (Guda) was also exported. In ancient times in India the process of crystallisation of sugar was known as Sphatika-rupena-dhanikru, in which Sphatika means 'crystal', rupena means 'to form' and Kru in the verb Kru which means 'to do'. The Sieves that were used to refine the sugarcane slurry before crystallisation were known as Titauha or Chalani in Sanskrit.

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COCONUT OIL

PALM OIL :

Palm oil was also an item of export from India alongwith coconut oil. But from Greek texts we find that the commentators confused Coconut oil and Palm oil. Palm fruit in India was Talaha in Sanskrit. From this word we today refer to this tree as Tada in many Indian languages.

SESAME OIL :

Sesame is a herbaceous plant called Sesamum Indium in Latin and Tilaha or Teelaha in Sanskrit. It is known as Til or Teel in many Indian languages. The sesame seeds are rich in oil and sesame oil is used as a cooking medium. In western India during a festival called Makara Sankranti which falls in January, Sweetmeats are prepared from Teel and jaggery.

The fact that sesame oil was first extracted in India is evident from the latin name Sesamum Indium given to it. The word sesame is of oriental origin according to the Oxford Dictionary. The sesame plant was regularly being cultivated in India since ancient times according to the Periplus.

The author of the Periplus has said, Beyond the Gulf of Baraca is that of Barygaza modern Broach) and the coast of the country of Ariaca, which is the beginning of the Kingdom of Tambanus and of all India".... "It is a fertile country, yielding wheat and rice and sesame oil and clarified butter, cotton and the Indian cloths.

Thus according to the author of the Periplus, not sesame seed but the oil extracted from these seeds was exported.

As mentioned in the section on Sandalwood in ancient India, oil mills were known variously as Teyl-Peshani, Teylena-lip and Teylena-Auja. Oil cake was called Teyl-Kuthha or Teela-Kalkam. In this term Teela is- evidently derived from Teelaha, and Kalkaha in Sanskrit which means dirt. There were terms for oil extractor who was called Teylikaha; the bottle in which oil was stored was known as Teyla-Kutu. To refine the oil, sieves were used as in the manufacture of sugar.

Sesame is a herbaceous plant called Sesamum Indium in Latin and Tilaha or Teelaha in Sanskrit. It is known as Til or Teel in many Indian languages. The sesame seeds are rich in oil and sesame oil is used as a cooking medium. In western India during a festival called Makara Sankranti which falls in January, Sweetmeats are prepared from Teel and jaggery.

The fact that sesame oil was first extracted in India is evident from the latin name Sesamum Indium given to it. The word sesame is of oriental origin according to the Oxford Dictionary. The sesame plant was regularly being cultivated in India since ancient times according to the Periplus.

The author of the Periplus has said, Beyond the Gulf of Baraca is that of Barygaza modern Broach) and the coast of the country of Ariaca, which is the beginning of the Kingdom of Tambanus and of all India".... "It is a fertile country, yielding wheat and rice and sesame oil and clarified butter, cotton and the Indian cloths.

Thus according to the author of the Periplus, not sesame seed but the oil extracted from these seeds was exported.

As mentioned in the section on Sandalwood in ancient India, oil mills were known variously as Teyl-Peshani, Teylena-lip and Teylena-Auja. Oil cake was called Teyl-Kuthha or Teela-Kalkam. In this term Teela is- evidently derived from Teelaha, and Kalkaha in Sanskrit which means dirt. There were terms for oil extractor who was called Teylikaha; the bottle in which oil was stored was known as Teyla-Kutu. To refine the oil, sieves were used as in the manufacture of sugar.

CLARIFIED BUTTER :

This commodity was referred to as Butyram in Latin and as Bouturon in Greek. In Sanskrit it is referred to as Ghrutam. Clarified butter as we know, is animal (fat) oil derived from the heating and melting of ordinary utter during which the moisture is evaporated and residual refined oil is deposited. In this Process the butter loses about 25 percent of its bulk. It is made both from cows, and buffaloes' milk, though the latter is richer in fat content.

In ancient Hindu texts, Ghrutam or Ghee is an essential ingredient in most religious rituals. As clarified butter can last longer than ordinary butter it was more suitable as an item of export. according to the notes to the Periplus, clarified utter was exported from India after being enclosed in leather skins or earthen pots, while still hot. This way it could be preserved for many months without the aid of salt or other preservatives.

A European traveller by the name Fryer Las mentioned in the year 1672 that in the deccan he was shown tanks of Ghee which were at that time 400 years old. They had great medicinal value and were highly priced.

Clarified butter according to the Periplus was exported mainly from Barygaza in India. Barygaza is the Greek corruption of the Sanskrit name Bhrigu-Kaccha, the original name of the city of Broach in Gujarat. Even today the state of Gujarat produces large quantities of Ghee and other milk products at Anand and Khaira. Since ancient times Gujarat has been famous for pastoral activities and has been associated with our pastoral cowherd god Srikrishna who we are told spent a large part of his life at Dwarka in Gujarat.
Even the English word 'Butter' is said to have been derived from a Sanskrit root word. According to the notes to the Periplus "Lassen, Oppert and others, following a mention of boutyros by Theophrastus, identify it with asafoetida, byway of the Sanskrit Bhutari " which means 'the enemy of evil spirits'. Thus out of a confusion between the products asafoetida and clarified butter, the name butyron in Greek, Butyrum in Latin and Butter in English could have been derived from the Sanskrit term Bhutari.

(Quoted from Hobson-Jobson: A Glossary of Anglo-India colloquial Words and Phases, Rout ledge and Kegan Paul. London 1986.)

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COIR :

The word 'coir' has been derived from the Malayalam terms Kayaru which means 'to be twisted' and Kayar which means a rope. These Malayalam terms are perhaps derived from the Sanskrit words Kunchanam or Akunchanam which also mean 'to twist'.

According to Marco Polo, ropes made from an 'Indian nut' were used to bind planks in ships. The Periplus notes that boats were sewed together with ropes. These boats are referred to as Madarata. This word is derived from the Arabic term muddarra'at which means' fastened with palm fibre'.

Jute and hemp were also being exported from India. In fact, the English word jute stems from the Sanskrit word Jataa meaning a braid of hair and one of the words for hemp i.e. Sunna originates from the Sanskrit word Sana according to the Oxford Dictionary.'

TALIPOT :

This is an unfamiliar English word but it means a fan made of palm leaves. The Talipot was made by weaving together palm leaves and also used in constructing sunshades and roofs for houses in rural India in ancient times.

It was known as Talapatra which means )palm leaf (Tala = palm and patra = leaf). The 'Talipot was exported to the Roman Empire mainly torn Kerala in South India. The English word 'Talipot is derived from the Malayalam term nalipat. In modern Hindi the word used for this commodity is Talpat or Tadpatra which even Today is used as material for roofing in rural areas.

BAMBOO :

This item as we know is also used as building material and also in making furniture. bamboo products as well as Bamboo poles were exported from India since very early times. The Bamboo, according to the Oxford Dictionary derived from the Malayalam word Mambu. But this word is itself derived from the Sanskrit root word Vambha for bamboo. Incidentally another Sanskrit word Stambha which means pillar, comes etymologically close to the word Bamboo. In modern Indian languages the words Khamba (pillar) find Bamboo are still in usage.

LEMON : Lemon fruit and lemon syrup were also manufactured in ancient India and were also exported to Persia and Rome. The exports to Persia were by overland routes but those to Rome went by the Sea. The word lemon itself is derived from the Sanskrit term Nimbuka which is used Modern Hindi as Nimbu or Limbu. The Arabs who many a time were the carriers of Indian products to the Roman Empire pronounced Nimuaka as Lima from which the word was transmitted to various European languages as 'lemon'. This is even attested by the Oxford Dictionary.

MALABATHRUM :

This is also an unfamiliar word today, but in earlier times in Latin it meant 'dried leaf of cinnamon'. The name of this item which was exported from India was derived from the Sanskrit term Tamala-pattram. Incidentally the English word cinnamon is also derived from the Sanskrit root word Kurunta. 24 The cultivation and export of cinnamon has be observed by the Greek writer, Ktesias who lived in Persia in the 4th century B.C.

MUSTARD :

Mustard. seeds were also an item of export in ancient times. Mustard is an agricultural item but in India the seeds were threshed and dehusked before being exported. The English word mustard is also said to have been derived from the Sanskrit word Mugda.

ORANGES :

This fruit is today considered-to be native of the Mediterranean region but in very early times, it was being exported from India. The English word 'orange' is derived from the Sanskrit word Naranga which was transmitted to the west though the Arabs. The Arabs pronounced this word as Naranj as the letter 'g' is absent in Arabic. It is from the Arabic Naranj that the English word Orange is derived, a fact corroborated by the Oxford Dictionary. Even today oranges are widely cultivated in Central India around Nagpur.

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The Manufacture Of Textiles

The manufacture of textiles was a well developed activity in India since ancient times. In this section we shall see what was the state of art in ancient India in spinning yarn and weaving of cotton and silk cloth.

COTTON CLOTH:

India is one of the countries where cotton fibre was spun into thread and woven into fabric since a very early time. Archaeological findings at the Indus valley cities indicate that woven cloth was known in India nearly 4000 to 5000 years back, as the Indus culture is dated around 2000 to 3000 years B.C. Baked clay seals depicting the social life of that period have been found on the site of the ruins at Mohenjodaro and Harappa. On some of these seals are depicted men with apparel draped around their bodies. This apparel is shown to have a design which is presumably painted on it. It is possible that this painted cloth was woven out of cotton. These findings on the Indus valley sites are very old and lack any other supporting evidence.

But the Greeks under Alexander who invaded north-western India around 350 B.C. have recorded that they found cotton cloth for the first time in India. Before coming to India, the Greeks had passed through Egypt, Mesopotamia and Persia, but they discovered cotton cloth only in India. The Greeks also knew woven cloth, but the fibre they used was wool and when they saw that the material from which cloth was woven in India grew on trees, they concluded that India was a country- where wool grew on trees. The term cotton-wool for the cotton found on its tree has stuck on till today.

The English term cotton itself perhaps originates from the Sanskrit word for it viz. Karpasa. The Greek term Karpasos and the Latin term Carbasus have evidently been derived from Sanskrit. India continued to produce cotton cloth throughout the areas of history and was an exporter of fine muslin cloth till two hundred years back. The muslin of Dacca had acquired global fame. This industry thrived till the 18th century when British commercial interests considered its existence to be a threat to the factories of Lancashire and killed that art by cutting off the fingers of the masterweavers. But in spite of this, today this art of spinning and weaving fine cotton cloth does survive in isolated corners of the country though it is now on the road to extinction.

But in ancient times this art had been given active encouragement. According to the notes to the Periplus "The manufacture of cotton cloth was at its best in India until very recent times, And the fine Indian muslins were in great demand and commanded high prices, both in the Roman Empire and Medieval Europe. The industry was one of the main factors in the wealth of ancient India".

In ancient India the textile industry was thus well established right from the cleaning of cotton, spinning of yarn, weaving of cloth to the dyeing of cloth. Cotton yarn was referred to as Sutram or Tantuhu, spinning of yarn was termed Taantavaa and Tantakaran, spindles used in doing this were called Tarkuti or Tarkutam. The loom was called Tantra-Vdpaha.

A weaver of cloth was called Tantavayaha-Paha or Patakaara . The activity of weaving was called Tantu-Tantra-Vayaha, Pata-Nirmanam or Pata-Karman. The texture of cloth was called Tantu-Sutra-Gunaha or Taantvam. Textiles or fabrics were called Tantu-Nirmit. The process of dyeing as referred to earlier in the section lac was termed 'Vastra-Ranga-Kruta' which literally means 'to dye cloth'

SILK CLOTH :

Silk did not originate in India, it originated in Mongolia. But since very early times India was on the trade route of silk and the manufacture of silk cloth and the rearing of silkworms had started in India soon after the technique was introduced here from China'. The word Silk is derived from the Mongolian root word Sirkek which means silk, form this we have the Chinese word: Ssi, the Greek: Ser. Latin: Sericum and the English: Silk. In Sanskrit the word used for silk yarn is Kitta-Sutram. The word Kitta is an abbreviation of Kitaka which means a worm.

Thus in ancient times it was known in India that silk yarn is derived from silk worms. In fact silk worms were reared in India and silk yarn and cloth were manufactured and exported. Silk worms were known as Tantu-Kitam meaning Thread worms. Silk cloth imported from China was called Chinaam-Shakam, and locally manufactured silk cloth was called Kaushambaram and Komala, Ambara which literally means sky but was also used to refer to cloth, komala means soft and the word seems to have been used due to the soft texture of silk cloth.

CHINTZ

This is a type of cotton cloth which is fast printed with parti-coloured pattern. This cloth is usually glazed but is relatively cheap. This has been one of the many types of cotton cloth exported from India. The word Chintz is also derived from the Sanskrit word Chitra which means 'picture' or variegated. This origin of the word Chintz is supported by the Oxford Dictionary.

SATRANJI:

This word which is still used in modern Indian languages is a corruption of the word Chaturanga. This is so as the game of Chaturanga was in ancient times played on a piece of cloth, in place of the modern chess board. These carpets called Satranji were exported from India in ancient and medieval times. The word: Sataranji has found its way into many modern foreign languages including English. The Oxford dictionary defines it as an 'Indian cotton Carpet'.

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

September 21 2004, 9:34 PM 

Well, the Native Americans ruled the ENTIRE known world...

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And you actually found a way to compare them..? I would be interested in what way of thinking you have applied?



 
 

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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

March 8 2005, 11:39 PM 

The chinese. The only civilization lasting from the almost prehistoric times to now. It's impossible to compare with any other nation.

 
 


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Re: Which country had the most interesting history in the world

March 9 2005, 12:10 AM 

^^^ to above poster : Not accurate.

The Indians are still here.The Persians are still here. They are as old as you are, maybe arguably even older.

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