The stories in Greek mythology and Indian mythology are exact carbon copies, not just the morals, but every single life detail, only difference being in names.
But why, does History Channel pass off Greek mythology as history?
You can say that Westerners believe their Western bull****. Well, in India, our history scholars call all this a myth. Stuff like Saraswati river is called myth although satellite pictures show evidence of a large river where myths tell us was. Stuff like Dwarka (Indian equivalent of Atlantis) is said to not exist. However, they do unearth stuff from where Dwarka is supposed to be.
Even the Ramayan is supported. The land bridge of rocks built between India and Sri Lanka largely stands even today.
nobody knows, but in highschool we have to learn this dumb myth crap, which is all fake stories, and somehow fanatsies are supposed to educate our minds?
EY IRAN EY MARZE POR GOHAR
EY XAKAT SAR CHESMEYE HONAR
God Bless All Persian nations
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"nobody knows, but in highschool we have to learn this dumb myth crap, which is all fake stories, and somehow fanatsies are supposed to educate our minds?"
I think I detect a conflict between your attempted schooling and your general culture.
Examples? Alexander's siege of the island off Tyre. They say, he made a land bridge to invade the walled island. This is just something I remember off the top of my head, because they were showing yesterday on History Channel.
A lot of "Greek" philosophies sound like rip-offs from the Vedas, Vedantas, Upanishads and Puranas. However, in English class, they say transcendentalism was derived from Greek philosophy, although the entire thing of individualism is central to Sanatana Dharma, the core of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Bahai, Deoband Sufi Islam.
If you pick up a book (The World as Will and Representation) by the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, you will read him conjecturing about the Indic origins of ancient Greek philosophy and Christianity.
Examples? Alexander's siege of the island off Tyre. They say, he made a land bridge to invade the walled island. This is just something I remember off the top of my head, because they were showing yesterday on History Channel.
Bharat,this is history and not myth,so it isn't an example,because unlike myths,Alexander existed,Tyre was in deed sacked and became part of the empire,and unlikely myths,Alexander's campaign was written by historians like Arrian mainly and secondarily Diodorus,Plutarch and others.
As for the Greek philosophy coming from hinduism,well,this is conjecture.The Greeks never colonised that area,the first real greek presence there was with Alexander which was very late.
bukefalos (Login bukefalos) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Why does Greek mythology pass of history?
November 17 2004, 8:24 AM
Many myths and legends contain historical facts.
Before Schliemann discovered Troy, everybody thought that the Iliad of Homer was a myth.
Also the great civilisation of Minos in Crete was thought to be a myth.
So these myths are being tought because they contain some truth in it. (maybe not all of them)
Mythologies in general represents long lost and forgotten history... Most of the stories someone can find in all the different mythologies have lots of common features since they stand for the same events that occured on the planet.. These events is most propable to have been cataclismic and catastrophic, resulting in major changes in the face of the planet and the remaining population... They survived in the form of Myths since when someone struggles for survivor cultures, languages, history, arts, etc fade away... When stories survive for long time only in verbal form and culture deteriorates rapidly then these stories change form, become metaphoric and many times distorded...
It is logical the names and representations to vary from place to place (and race to race) since cultures where different and different "amounts" of that knowledge survived, but the main skeleton of these stories is the same since the events where global and effected everyone on the planet..
I don't think that anyone stole or borrowed anything from anyone else when it comes to mythology (religions, science and philosophy is a different story) but just that different races reported the same events in a different way..
As for Alexander the Great he was a Historical figure, not a Mythological one...
I know Alexander was a historical figure, but a lot of things said about him are myths, stuff like when he goes to the Oracle to know if he is son of Zeus, come on man.
U-boot, you don't need anyone to colonize the other to transfer ideas. You just need trading and diplomatic ties, and that they had pretty extensive ones.
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all,"..........Thomas Jefferson, commenting on factionalism in the world.
I know Alexander was a historical figure, but a lot of things said about him are myths, stuff like when he goes to the Oracle to know if he is son of Zeus, come on man.
I m not sure what's exactly your point with the examples you bring.That the oracle was telling BS? Of course.But the Oracle did exist.Check for Delphi in Google,it was the most famous oracle.Its success was that the reples could be interpreted in many ways that were including the correct answer too.For example the Athenians asked the oracle how to defend from the Persians,the oracle said "You will be saved by the wooden walls".Themistocles manipulated the reply convincing that it meant ships.It worked If it hadn't worked,the oracle would say "apparently the correct interpretation was to build fortification and prepare to be seiged".Fact is that the ancient Greeks were consulting the oracle because was part of the religion.Where is the myth in that?
U-boot, you don't need anyone to colonize the other to transfer ideas. You just need trading and diplomatic ties, and that they had pretty extensive ones.
Ideas?We 're talking about philosophy Bharat.As for trading and diplomatic ties with the area of India,i m not aware of.
I know one thing for sure.That ancient Greeks had philosophy part of their everyday life,specially in Athens.The "agora" was a place that anyone could make speeches gathering a crowd around him to listen.Then some were taking others as students,like Socrates had Plato and so on.That's how philosophy spreads and becomes "school".
Also,isn't it strange that Greek traders were supposed to study the hinduism and from what import the mythology and philosophy but not the religion itself?(apart the fact that i wonder what traders start studying foreign religions which means studying the local language first).
Dude, you seriously think that India got into contact with Greece with Alexander's arrival? There was extensive trade before that, lol, the Minoans and Indus Valley also had trade, so we are talking pre-Vedic (pre-classical for you) periods. Greek objects have been found in India, Indian stuff found in Greece.
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all,"..........Thomas Jefferson, commenting on factionalism in the world.
Read this, tell me what it sounds like, these are direct quotes from Upanishads explained here:
The basic teachings of the Upanishads are summed up in six great sayings (Mahavakyas). These are :
"I am Brahman" (Aham Brahmasmi). This states the identity of the inmost consciousness of the individual with that of the supreme Divine. The ultimate truth of Vedic knowledge is not that some great savior is God or the Lord or that such and such a God or name and form of God is the supreme. It is not the worship of a person, book, image or idea. It is not even the worship of God. The Upanishads say that whatever we worship as truth apart from ourselves destroys us. They teach that our own Self is the true Divinity, that it is the presence of the absolute within our heart and all the universe.
"The Self is Brahman" (Ayam Atma Brahma). This also states the identity of the soul with the Absolute but in a more objective and less direct manner. Not only is our Self the Divine. It is the same Self in all beings that is the same Absolute truth.
"That thou art" (Tat tvam asi). Whatever we see or think about we are that. Not only is the I That, the You is also That. We are that ultimate I and Thou in all. The consciousness in the other is also the Divine.
"Intelligence is Brahman" (Prajnanam Brahma). Our discernment of truth is the truth itself. It indicates that the Divine intelligence is present within us and has the power to return us to the Divine. Our inmost intelligence is that supreme intelligence through which we can merge into the Absolute.
"The Universe is Brahman" (Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma). The entire universe is the Divine, which includes our self. The Divine is not only the consciousness principle in you and I, it is also the being principle in all things. It is the ultimate object as well as the inmost subject in all beings. It is one and all and all in one.
"He am I" (So'ham). This shows the identity of the self with the Divine Lord inherent within the natural movement of our breath. "So" is the natural sound of inhalation, "ham" of exhalation.
These are statements of the identity of the individual consciousness with the Absolute or Divine reality. They all derive from and merge into Om (AUM), the Divine Word of "I am all".
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all,"..........Thomas Jefferson, commenting on factionalism in the world.
"I know Alexander was a historical figure, but a lot of things said about him are myths, stuff like when he goes to the Oracle to know if he is son of Zeus, come on man."
Are you talking about the famous incident in Libya? The Egyptian priest made a mistake, cause his Greek wasn't good. When welcoming Alexander he said "O paidios" instead of "O paidion", which means "O child". Alexander or someone sharp amongst his entourage said "Thank you very much father. You said "O pai Dios" which means "O son of Zeus or in Egypt of Ammun Ra", that is what we came here for. Time to go back and tell the Egyptians they have a new God-King". A classic tale of manipulation. It is politics man. Bull**** like you hear on TV everyday but it works.
"Dude, you seriously think that India got into contact with Greece with Alexander's arrival? There was extensive trade before that, lol, the Minoans and Indus Valley also had trade, so we are talking pre-Vedic (pre-classical for you) periods. Greek objects have been found in India, Indian stuff found in Greece."
Are you composing the new Mahabharata or are you about to prove direct contact between the Minoans and India?
What is the matter with you Indians? Why are you so full of sh*t? God knows with how many of you I have discussed Alexander, you all say the same thing: The Greeks are lying, Alexander was defeated by Porus.
OK, maybe the ancient writers were lying, there were Greek after all. How the hell do the Indians know the truth? Let me tell you, they were taught it at school. And if they happen to be N.R.I.s their father was taught the truth at school in Delhi.
Ummm, no, everyone knows Porush was defeated soundly by Alexander. Who disputes that? They even have Bollywood movies of that. Of course, today, anything can be changed around, as you said, politics.
The basic teachings of the Upanishads are summed up in six great sayings (Mahavakyas). These are :
"I am Brahman" (Aham Brahmasmi). This states the identity of the inmost consciousness of the individual with that of the supreme Divine. The ultimate truth of Vedic knowledge is not that some great savior is God or the Lord or that such and such a God or name and form of God is the supreme. It is not the worship of a person, book, image or idea. It is not even the worship of God. The Upanishads say that whatever we worship as truth apart from ourselves destroys us. They teach that our own Self is the true Divinity, that it is the presence of the absolute within our heart and all the universe.
"The Self is Brahman" (Ayam Atma Brahma). This also states the identity of the soul with the Absolute but in a more objective and less direct manner. Not only is our Self the Divine. It is the same Self in all beings that is the same Absolute truth.
"That thou art" (Tat tvam asi). Whatever we see or think about we are that. Not only is the I That, the You is also That. We are that ultimate I and Thou in all. The consciousness in the other is also the Divine.
"Intelligence is Brahman" (Prajnanam Brahma). Our discernment of truth is the truth itself. It indicates that the Divine intelligence is present within us and has the power to return us to the Divine. Our inmost intelligence is that supreme intelligence through which we can merge into the Absolute.
"The Universe is Brahman" (Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma). The entire universe is the Divine, which includes our self. The Divine is not only the consciousness principle in you and I, it is also the being principle in all things. It is the ultimate object as well as the inmost subject in all beings. It is one and all and all in one.
"He am I" (So'ham). This shows the identity of the self with the Divine Lord inherent within the natural movement of our breath. "So" is the natural sound of inhalation, "ham" of exhalation.
These are statements of the identity of the individual consciousness with the Absolute or Divine reality. They all derive from and merge into Om (AUM), the Divine Word of "I am all".
This is supposed to be what?Adopted by the Greeks?LOL
"The ultimate truth of Vedic knowledge is not that some great savior is God or the Lord or that such and such a God or name and form of God is the supreme. It is not the worship of a person, book, image or idea."
1.Ancient Greeks had polytheism,not monotheism.
2.There is no such figure of "saviour" in Greek religion.
3.Ancient Greeks were worshiping Gods through statues-images of the Gods and holy places were sacred ,such as forests near temples.
The Self is Brahman" (Ayam Atma Brahma). This also states the identity of the soul with the Absolute but in a more objective and less direct manner. Not only is our Self the Divine. It is the same Self in all beings that is the same Absolute truth.
I wish i knew what to compare this with,you just give your hinduism teachings expecting us to see the...obvious...
As far as i know only the Gods were divine in ancient Greece.
I won't comment the rest,since we 're getting into too vague religious things.I d better inhale and exhale.
Also you insist that Greek traders instead of trading were learning your language in order to study hinduism and now you refer to the Minoans too.What can i say...It's all new to me.A detail.The Minoan civilization was destroyed from the explosion of Thera,but we 're not aware of any philosophical inclination.Also it's strange,since the Minoans were sea faring people.Instead they were making expeditions by land till India?? Which historical source is there of that? I m not aware of early Indian artifacts found in Greece either.You say you found in India.Of what date? Any historical proof? For example we know about trade of Minoans with the Phoenicians from Herodotus,but not with India.Unless,some other people were trading with Greeks and then they were trading with you.
All this is conjecture and wishful thinking.Like i could say that The Egyptians had pyraminds,the Incas had pyramids,so the Incas must have copied the pyramids from the Egyptians.Pitty i don't have any proof.
I find that history is very strange for up to a certain point, as the farther we get from the time some event happened, the more we learn about it and the "facts" become more accurate. For example, I remember reading numerous WWII history books and now much of what I took for gospel was shattered years later with the revelation that the British had broken the German Enigma codes. One post mentions Troy was considered a myth but then they found its ruins and now Homer’s poems are being looked at as more than fiction. And as for getting an impartial telling, I remember reading an article, not an editorial, in “Newsweek” and “Time” magazines regarding an incident that occurred in the late 1960’s at the Pentagon. One reported it as a bunch of commie loving hippie protestors interfering with the American military and undermining the moral of the soldiers in Vietnam. The other magazine reported that it was an assemblage of patriot Americans exercising their Constitutional right to voice their grievances. Same event. Really. Fast forward a few thousand years from an event and who knows what REALLY happened.
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If it hadn't worked,the oracle would say "apparently the correct interpretation was to build fortification and prepare to be seiged".Fact is that the ancient Greeks were consulting the oracle because was part of the religion.Where is the myth in that?