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Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 7 2005 at 4:10 PM

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4242883.stm

An Italian television history drama is poised to rekindle painful memories and political grievances in Italy and some of its former Communist neighbours.
The drama recalls a particularly barbaric episode from the dark days of World War II and the East-West Cold War that followed.

Between 1943 and 1947, thousands of Italians were dragged from their homes by Yugoslav partisans.

They were bound and thrown, sometimes alive, into deep chasms known as foibe.

The killings occurred along the Istrian peninsula - which fell to Italy at the end of World War I - but was then lost to Yugoslavia at the end of World War II.

Before the partisans arrived, Italian fascists had tried, brutally, to Italianise the area - a harbinger of the ethnic cleansing that was to return years later with the disintegration of Yugoslavia.

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The sheer horror of what happened - and its political echo from one generation to another - is what gives the episode its emotional charge.

Long before the series was anywhere near screening, it provoked angry words from both Croatia and Slovenia - two of the countries that emerged from the break-up of Yugoslavia.

Italy's communications minister - himself a member of the National Alliance, a party which grew out of fascism - accused Italy's young neighbours of refusing to confront the issue.

Some suspect the series of being an attempt to rewrite history; others say it is time to remember a period long hidden for reasons of domestic and international political expediency. Be that as it may, Italians will this week hold the first ever national day of commemoration for victims of the foibe.

The first part of the drama, called Il Cuore nel Pozzo, was broadcast on Sunday night, while the second will go on air on Monday.




 
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AzzurroItalia
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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 9 2005, 12:50 AM 

I think this is fantastic! I'm going to see it in a week when RAI internatioanl portrays it here, but I think it's wonderful that the Italian government is finallly putting this issue out.

Damn Slovenia and Croatia...


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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 9 2005, 6:48 AM 

Will the TV drama show why the partisans acted like they did?
Lets face it, it was payback for what the Italians did to them.



 
 

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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 9 2005, 9:55 PM 

Please, if anything, the Italians' actions (which was nothing compared to them) were retaliation against them. Those were always Italian territories, when Napoleon ceded them to Austria, that was truly the first time they were lost. Then, by the start of WWI, Croatians and Slovenians began already attacking Italian villages and cities, with no care for the inhabitants. The region was mostly Italian populated, and they kicked us out. I really have no sympathy for the Croatians and Slovenes who lost their lives when Italian forces in WWII Italianized the area.


Italian troops invading Turkish Libya

Italia triumphs again!

“Everyone has the jitters, seeing objects swimming about at night, and hearing movements on ships’ bottoms. It must stop!” - Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, Commander in Chief of Britain's Mediterranean Fleet

 
 

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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 10 2005, 8:08 AM 

there is no such thing a turkish libya any more than one would say the papal states were Popish Italy.







 
 
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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 10 2005, 9:26 AM 

You really don't care about the people who lost their lives when the area was Italianized Azurro?

That's a pretty cold statement coming from a self proclaimed evangelical christian.
What about the civilians who had nothing to do with the political policies of governments but were killed or uprooted from their homes and all that they knew? Do you really think they all have blood on their hands?

Oh well, then again those who profess the most that they are ardent Christians are usually those who really don't adhere to their own religious beliefs. They use religion as more of a social club and a way of justifying their sinful deeds.


    
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AzzurroItalia
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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 11 2005, 1:54 AM 

Exo, the area was always Italian. The only reasons Slovenes live there (or Croats) were because they were pushed there after the Italians were slaughtered.


Italian troops invading Turkish Libya

Italia triumphs again!

“Everyone has the jitters, seeing objects swimming about at night, and hearing movements on ships’ bottoms. It must stop!” - Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, Commander in Chief of Britain's Mediterranean Fleet

 
 
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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 11 2005, 11:43 AM 

That may be true Azurro but the fact remains your statement was pretty cold.

You can state your feelings vis a vis what nation states, their armed forces, and their governmental agencies do including raving mobs but blanket statements covering all civilians just isn't right.

If settlers came in after Italians were pushed out (or god forbid slaughtered) the they should just be pushed out as well, not slaughtered outright. You can't correct a wrong with another wrong.

Saying you have no remorse or feelings whatsoever for what happened to innocents justifies the way the Italians were treated does it not? It gives license for others to feel the same way.

You can say that the murderers deserved punishment for their sins and the ethnic cleansers as well but not the innocents. That is not only unchristian but unethical in pretty much any belief system.

That is what I was trying to say.

 
 

AzzurroItalia
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Re: Italian TV drama opens old WW2 wounds

February 13 2005, 12:20 PM 

Oh I'm not saying that Slavs should be slaughtered, thoguh I wouldn't be very sympathetic to one. Italians were not just pushed out, they were also slaughtered in Yugoslavia. After the country officially annexed the area, after it was "cleansed" for the most part of Italians, the remaining 30,000 in Istria and like 60,000 in Dalmatia were forced to be slavicized, the Italian flag was never allowed to be spoken, and the Italian language, forbidden. Those nations (Croatia and Slovenia) need to repay Italy for the damages they've done. They need to issue a formal apology to the families, and to Italy in general, as well as pay reparations for what they've done. I'm furious that Slovenia was even accepted into the European Union without doing the above, and I hope Croatia does not get accepted until it does.


Italian troops invading Turkish Libya

Italia triumphs again!

“Everyone has the jitters, seeing objects swimming about at night, and hearing movements on ships’ bottoms. It must stop!” - Admiral Sir Andrew Cunningham, Commander in Chief of Britain's Mediterranean Fleet

 
 


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April 4 2005, 6:12 AM 

I would definitely have to agree that Italians were slaughtered in droves. At the end of WWII, many US soldiers fought the Tito's Red partisans in the Trieste area to protect the Italian citizens.


    
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