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When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 18 2005 at 10:25 PM
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We can see Mohandas Gandhi's pseudo-secularism here. For Muslims to take up the cause of India, the Hindus must take up the cause of Khilafat? That is pure bull. What, doesn't the land belong to the Muslims too? Are they aliens from Mars or something that they will have nothing to do with the freedom movements of the land they live in?
Hereby, we see when thousands of Hindus foolishly died for political Islam and Jihad, for a false promise that the Muslims would begin to care for their own motherland.


— Mahatma Gandhi



Everybody knows that with- out unity between Hindus and Mussalmans, no certain progress can be made by the nation. There is no doubt that the cement binding the two is yet loose and wet. There is still mutual distrust. The leaders have come to recognise that India can make no advance without both feeling the need of trust and common action. But though there is a vast change among the masses, it is still not a permanent quantity. The Mussalman masses do not still recognise the same necessity for swaraj as the Hindus do. The Musslamans do not flock to public meetings in the same numbers as the Hindus. This process cannot be forced. Sufficient time has not passed for the national interest to be awakened among the Mussalmans. Indeed it is a marvel that whereas but a year ago the Mussalmans as a body hardly took any interest in Congress affairs, all over India thousands have registered themselves as members. This in itself is an immense gain.

But much more yet remains to be done. It is essentially the work of the Hindus. Wherever the Mussalmans are still found to be apathetic, they should be invited to come in. One often hears from Hindu quarters the complaint that Mussalmans do not join the Congress organisations or do not pay to the Swaraj Fund. The natural question is, have they been invited? In every district Hindus must make special efforts to draw out their Mussalman neighbours. There will never be real equality so long as one feels inferior or superior to the other. There is no room for patronage among equals. Mussalmans must not feel the lack of education or numbers where they are in a minority. Deficiency in education must be corrected by taking edu
cation. To be in minority is often a blessing. Superiority in numbers has frequently proved a hindrance. It is character that counts in the end. But I have not commenced this article to lay down counsels of perfection or to state the course of conduct in the distant future.

My main purpose is to think of the immediate task lying before us. Bakr-i-Id will be soon upon us. What are we to do to frustrate the attempts that will then be made to foment quarrels between us — Hindus and Mussalmans? Though the situation has improved considerably in Bihar, it is not yet free from anxiety. Over-zealous and impatient Hindus are trying to force matters. They lend themselves an easy prey to the machinations of mischief-makers not always prompted by the Government side. Protection of the cow is the nearest to the Hindu heart. We are therefore apt to lose our heads over it, and thus be unconsciously instrumental in doing an injury to the very cause we seek to spouse. Let us recognise that our Mussalman brethren have made great efforts to save the cow for the sake of their Hindu brethren. It would be a grave mistake to undertake them. But immediately we become assertive, we make all effort on their part nugatory. We have throughout all these many years put up with cow slaughter either without a murmur of under ineffective and violent protest. We have never tried to deserve self-imposed restraint on the part of our Mussalman countrymen by going out of our way to cultivate friendly relations with them. We have more or less gratuitously assumed the impossibility of the task.

But we are now making a deliberate and conscious attempt in standing by their side in the hour of their need. Let us not spoil the good effect by making our free offering a matter of bargain. Friendship can now be a contract. It is a status carrying no consideration with it. Service is a duty, and duty is a debt which it is a sin not to discharge. If we would prove our friendship, we must help our brethren whether they save the cow or not. We throw the responsibility for their conduct towards us on their own shoulders. We dare not dictate it to them as consideration for our help. Such help will be hired service, which the Mussalmans can not be blamed if they summarily reject. I hope, therefore, that the Hindus of Bihar and indeed all the parts of India will realise the importance of observing the strictest forbearance, no matter what the Musslamans do on Bakr-i-Id. We must leave them to take what course they chose. What Hakim Ajmal Khan did in one hour at Amritsar, Hindus could not have done by years of effort. The cows that Messrs Chhotas and Khatri saved last Bakr-i-Id day, the Hindu millionaires of Bombay could not have saved if they had given the
whole of their fortunes. The greater the pressure put upon the Mussalmans the greater must be the slaughter of the cow. We must leave them to their own sense of honour and duty. And we shall have done the greatest service to the cow.

The way to save the cow is not to kill or quarrel with the Mussalmans; the way to save the cow is to die in the act of saving the Khilafat without mentioning the cow. Cow protection is a process of purification. It is tapasya, i.e.., self-suffering. When we suffer voluntarily, and, therefore, without expectation of reward, the cry of suffering (one might say) literally ascends to heaven, and God above hears it and responds. There is the path of religion, and it has answered even if one man has adopted it in its entirety. I make bold to assert without fear of contradiction that it is not Hinduism to kill a fellowman even to save the cow. Hinduism requires its votaries to immolate themselves for the sake of their religion, i.e. for the sake of saving the cow. The question is how many Hindus are ready without bargaining with the Mussalmans to die for them and for their religion? If the Hindus can answer it in the religious spirit, they will not only have secured Mussalman friendship for eternity, but they will have saved the cow for all time from the Mussalmans. Let us not swear even by the greatest among them. They can but help. They cannot undertake to change the hearts of millions of men who have hitherto given no thought to the feelings of their Hindu neighbours when they slaughter the cow. But God Almighty can in a moment change them and move them to pity. Prayer accompanied by adequate suffering is a prayer of the heart. That alone counts with God. To my Mussalman friends I would but say one word. They must not be irritated by the acts of irresponsible or ignorant but fanatical Hindus. He
who exercises restraint under provocation wins the battle. Let them know and feel sure that responsible Hindus are not on their side in their trial in any bargaining spirit. They are helping because they know that the Khilafat is a just cause and that to help them in a good cause is to serve India, for they are even as blood-brothers, born of the same mother — Bharat Mata.

— July 28, 1921.

 
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Wise Padishah
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 24 2005, 11:50 PM 


Bharat, seriously...

Your adolescent rage is getting to you.

If an Indian is an Indian, what does their religion matter?

 
 

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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 25 2005, 9:17 PM 

Khilafat had nothing to do with India.

 
 

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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 27 2005, 9:32 PM 



What is Khilafat ?

do hindu indians still worship the cow as holly and if yes why it is holly and how this ties up with IT and Bangalorre ?

which are within the power base now in india ? hindu or musli ? and where is Sich is placed in this framework ?





 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 29 2005, 4:09 PM 

This is yet another propaganda thread by an Indian. I remember a saying which goes like, keep repeating a lie so much that it becomes a truth. Indians seem to follow this adage all the time!

As I said in another thread, Gandhi took advantage of the momentum started by "Khilafat Movement" of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar to oppose the British. The aim of "Khilafat Movement" was to pressure the British so as to protect the Turkish khilafat (caliphate). This movement was not started by Muslims with the aim of opposing the British so as to throw them out of India. Muslims were doing it for their religion, not for their nationality.

But Gandhi, or Congress, used this opportunity to start a general civil disobedience movement. Their aim was not the protection of caliphate, the very reason this Muslims started it, but to oppose the British.

It is only a propaganda to say that Hindus were doing it for Islamic khilafat. They were not.

 
 


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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 30 2005, 2:27 PM 

Quote:
What is Khilafat ?

do hindu indians still worship the cow as holly and if yes why it is holly and how this ties up with IT and Bangalorre ?

which are within the power base now in india ? hindu or musli ? and where is Sich is placed in this framework ?



Khalifat movement was an Independance movement started by the Muslims of India to restore Islamic oligarchy to all of India.

We dont exactly worship the cow or any other animal, we consider the cow and some other animals to be holy and honour them in temple ceremonies. Religion has very deep roots in Indian culture, but is largely out of professional life...

Power --> 81% Hindu, 13% Muslim, 2% Christian, 2% Sikh, 2% Other...

And Hindus consider the Sikhs also to be a part of our Sanatana Dharma



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17th century India, The Masters of the Oceans...

 
 

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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

May 30 2005, 11:19 PM 

Aalishan, this is exactly what I am saying. Muslims don't care (didn't historically) if the land is viewed as a Dar-ul-Harb. Muslims began opposing the British only when the British made war with the Caliph in Turkey. Before that, when they were starving to death, or being butchered, or being enslaved by the firangis, they were fine with it, because the Hindus were suffering as well, and the British weren't attacking Islam per se.

And Hindus, mistakenly believed thought they could befriend the Muslims by adopting pan-Islamic cause, and tying it to the cause of secular nationalism. Another slap on our face.

 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 4 2005, 4:50 PM 

Darkness:
"And Hindus consider the Sikhs also to be a part of our Sanatana Dharma"

Well, no one can stop you from "considering" anything.

 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 4 2005, 5:09 PM 

Bharat, by accusing Muslims in general, aren't you attacking the VERY Indian "Indian Muslims"? You are questioning their loyality to the state of India.

Since Pakistan was a part of British Raj, a Pakistani can defend the fellow Muslims of India.

Bharat:

"Muslims began opposing the British only when the British made war with the Caliph in Turkey. Before that, when they were starving to death, or being butchered, or being enslaved by the firangis, they were fine with it, because the Hindus were suffering as well, and the British weren't attacking Islam per se."

That's absolutely false. Muslims were the first and foremost in opposing British. Have you forgotten people like Tipu Sultan and Sirajuddaulah? How about 1857 War of Independance? You think Muslims were not part of it?
Actually, Muslims were so active in opposing the British that they were oppressed by British the most. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan had to come forward and through his booklet "Reasons of Indian Mutiny" (Asbaab e Baghawat e Hind) he told the British that it was not only Muslims which took part in that rebellion. The publication of this booklet makes it obvious that British considered Muslims to be their prime opposers. British knew very well that they have taken the throne of India from the hand of Muslim Mughal Sultanate.


Bharat:
"And Hindus, mistakenly believed thought they could befriend the Muslims by adopting pan-Islamic cause, and tying it to the cause of secular nationalism. Another slap on our face."

You need to read my earlier posts. Contrary to your claim here, and contrary to your choice of the name of this thread, Hindus NEVER adopted any pan-Islamic cause. THEY SUPPORTED KHILAFAT MOVEMENT NOT FOR THE LOVE OF KHILAFAT, BUT FOR THE OPPOSITION TO THE BRITISH.

The reason is obvious. Khilafat Movement was a mainstream Muslim movement at that time, opposing British plans on defeated Ottoman Empire. Hindus saw an opportunity to start a civil disobedience movement opposing British IN GENERAL.

There was no "love of Islam" when they supported the "KHILAF MOVEMENT" (not KHILAFAT Movement). There was no supported to "Pan-Islamic cause". Hindus only used the momentum started by Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar and Maulana Shaukat Ali.

 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 4 2005, 5:50 PM 

Darkness:

"Khalifat movement was an Independance movement started by the Muslims of India to restore Islamic oligarchy to all of India."

To put it mildly, this statement is PREPOSTEROUS.
Khilfat Movement was started by Muslims of India to protect Ottoman Caliphate of Turkey. Its aim was not put restore Khilafat to India.
At least Bharat knows this good enough.


    
This message has been edited by Zulfiqar on Jun 4, 2005 5:50 PM


 
 

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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 4 2005, 9:44 PM 

Dude, but are Hindus expected to stand up for Islam? Indian Muslims are expected to stand up for India first, Islam second. But history shows that you guys stood up for Islam only, India was never your concern.

I am just showing that we went to such lengths as lending our support, thinking that by doing so, you would enter our secular nationalism, as I said, a slap in our faces.

 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 4 2005, 11:02 PM 

Hindus are not expected to stand up for Islam. They never did. And it is ok.
As I said, Hindus only used Khilafat Movement to oppose the British. Their concern was not Khilafat. Again. It is ok.

This concludes the discussion on this thread.

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Now let's discuss your other concern:

Just because Khilafat Movement's primary goal was the protection of Khilafat of Turkey, does not mean that Muslims were never there for South Asia's independance from British rule.

I just gave some examples of Muslim resistance to British in one of the earlier posts.

You probably do not know that Muslim League (ML)was not the main-stream party until late 1930s. Most Muslims of those times were the supporters of Congress. Neither was it Muslim League's goal to strive for a separate homeland.
Muslim League got popular Muslim votes very late. And the reason it got popular has more to do with Congress' attitude towards Muslims than ML itself.
There had been many incidences which had convinced Muslims that they only way for the peace in South Asia is that Muslims get their separate homeland.

How did they end up with this opinion? There are many reasons. But the point is that every Muslim wanted to live along with Hindus. And they were always alongside Hindus and others in the resistance to the British.

Most leaders of ML started as the flag-bearers of Hindu-Muslim unity, but later were disappointed later on.

 
 

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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 5 2005, 4:53 AM 

Can greed be a reason? Can British-sponsored communalism be a reason for this shift in the mid-1940s?

 
 
Aalishaan
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Re: When Hindus died for the Khilafat

June 5 2005, 5:07 PM 

British tried their best to keep the subcontinent one country. Congress was fighting only the British, but ML was fighting both British and Congress.

Greed of whom? Quaid e Azam? If he was greedy then he should have jumped the band-wagon of Khilafat Movement. Everyone else was. But he was not a proponent of any form of civil disobedience. And hence he distanced himself from this movement. He was not against the aim of the movement, but he disagreed with the way this movement was led.



I think this thread has come to its conclusion.

 
 
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