Hinduism teaches that Sudras are trash & should be named accordingly:
"The Namadheya (naming-rite) must be performed as soon as the term of impurity (caused by the birth of the child) is over. (The name to be chosen should be) auspicious in the case of a Brahmana; Indicating power in the case of a Ksatriya; Indicating wealth in the case of a Vaisya; Indicating contempt in the case of a Sudra." -- Visnusmrti 27:5-9.
LORD SIVA CONDEMNED FOR ALLOWING A LOW-CASTE (A SUDRA) TO READ VEDAS
Women & Sudras (& outcastes) are not allowed to study the Vedas; this is one reason this "God" Siva is denounced for allowing a Sudra the Vedic teachings. Daksa's curse is as follows:
"The Brahmins will not sacrifice to you along with the other gods, for Siva has defiled the path followed by good men; he is impure, an abolisher of rites and demolisher of barriers, [who gives] the word of the Vedas to a Sudra. He wanders like a madman, naked, laughing, the lord of ghosts, evil-hearted. Let Siva, the lowest of the gods, obtain no share with Indra and Visnu at the sacrifice; let all the followers of Siva be heretics, opponents of the true scriptures, following the heresy whose god is the king of ghosts." -- Brahma Purana 2:13:70-73; Garuda Purana 6:19; Bhagavata Purana 4:2:10-32.
Panini, the great ancient scholar of Slatura (present day Lahore on the bank of Indus, a few miles south of Topi) had made a proverbial statement as early as 900 B.C. and not without reason that ‘Udycyia’ (upper land - Upper Indus Valley) could never be overtaken by or merged into ‘Prascyia’ (lower or midland — Gangetic Plains) but ‘Prascyia’ could. History has proved him right repeatedly.
Just on a side note I am supposed to be away but i ll drop a small message. Even if what you are saying is true through that stuff which I am not even sure of because you have just pasted the article and not given the link. For all we know the article could be from a pro taliban site. SO for one minute lets assume that it is true basically every religion says the women should take the back seat if you go and meet the real orthodox person of any big religion they will tell you that there is no way women can equal men.
Now what we have done in India is separate religion from law, so basically in India if you follow the law then you are fine, you do not need to follow the law system that is stated in your religion because something that are stated do not apply in today’s world and were valid only 600 years ago. However it is only the islamic world including Pakistan that insists on governing with religious ideals. Keeping in mind that Pakistan too has Sharia law. Thus it is no surprise that women have the least rights in the islamic world.
Just a side note: The pot should not call the kettle black in other words before critiquing others make sure you are better
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
"SO for one minute lets assume that it is true basically every religion says the women should take the back seat if you go and meet the real orthodox person of any big religion they will tell you that there is no way women can equal men."
Even if what you are saying is true through that stuff which I am not even sure of because you have just pasted the article and not given the link.
dear farhan if u care to look at the bottom of each paragraph that is quoted their is usually a reference such as a vishnusmrti or bhagavad purana etc etc these are usually hindu scripture. so u don't really need a link as such.
Thus it is no surprise that women have the least rights in the islamic world.
Manu Smrti V.154 " Though destitute of virtue, or seeking pleasure (elsewhere); or devoid of good qualities, (yet) a husband must be constantly worshipped as a god by a dutiful wife."
Manu Smrti V.164 " By violating her duty towards her husband, a wife is disgraced in this world, (after death) whe enters the womb of a jackal, and is tormented by diseases (as the punishment of) her sin."
Manu Smrti IX.3 " Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independance."
Manu V.148 " In childhood a female must be subject to her father, in youth to her husband, when her lord is dead to her sons; a women must never be independant."
so islmaic treatment to women is worse than the above? god there is no limit to your shame.how can you call yourself a muslim when you don't know jack **** about it.do some research first you ignaramous. islam gave rights to women that these pseudo-liberalist westerners have just discovered in the last century.
HINDU WOMAN
The Hindu woman has no right to divorce her husband.
She has no property or inheritance rights.
Choice of partner is limited because she can only marry within her own
caste; moreover her horoscope must match that of the intending
bridegroom/family.
The family of the girl has to offer an enormous dowry to the bridegroom/family.
If her husband dies she should commit Sati (being cremated with her dead husband). Since today's law forbids Sati, society mainly punishes her in other "holy" ways (see below).
She can never remarry.
The widow is considered to be a curse and must not be seen in public. She cannot wear jewelry or colorful clothes. (She should not even take part in her children's marriage!)
THE MUSLIM LADY
The Muslim lady has the same right as the Muslim man in all matters, including divorce.
She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent has to be taken.
The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife (not the other way round as is practiced by some ignoramuses).
A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.
Mixed marriage is encouraged and is a means to prevent racism creeping into society.
When did I say Islam never gives rights to women infact Islam gives the most rights to women. Yet ironically women in muslim countries have the least rights due to mullah mentality. Name any famous women figures from the islamic countries who have been allowed to make their mark in fields other than politics. India has many like Sania Mirza, Ash, Sushmita etc etc. One actress did a smooching sence in a Hindi movie and now everyone in Pakistan is thinking she is a slut to the point that she has to stay in India and can not go back to Pakistan cuz she ll be killed or called names 24/7. Heck in Pakistan women are not even allowed to participate in sports. No muslim country participates in miss world which just highlights the mullah mentality. Whats even more shameful is that our religion is so liberal for its time but it has been made into almost a redneck religion due to the mullahs, while other religions basically had no rights for women initially and now the women are the same as men because everyone has separated religion from law other than muslims, law equates both men and women which most religions do nt. All ur articles talk about women’s role in Hinduism, which is exactly my point that even though hindu religion says that women should not be treated an equals. India has made a law treating men and women as equals, in Pakistan it is the opposite.
You urself drool over Indian girls but no Indian drools over Pakistani girls cuz they do nt even know them due to the fact that they are so segregated.
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
This message has been edited by Indiaisthebest on Jun 17, 2005 1:35 AM This message has been edited by Indiaisthebest on Jun 17, 2005 1:35 AM
I said that women in Islamic countries have no rights not because of what the quran or islam teaches, but because of the mullah mentality.
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
No you are friggin liar. its all there in black and white. go ahead check it dumass its your own garbage as usual. you write so much crap u confuse yourself LMFAO
you don't know nothing of islam and all pricks like u do is just blame it on mullahs cos its the easiest thing to do for u.
Yea its really easy to abuse the other person. I can not help it if you do nt know how to read English. Please prove me wrong for once instead of calling me names. Moreover I blame mullahs because they are responsible for all the intolerance Islam has breed over the years.
Again if u read both my responses I never mocked the Quran or Islam infact I am said that Islam is one of the most liberal religions as far as rights goes. Only difference is that every other religion has separated religion from law, in their law women and men are equals where as in religion they are not. However muslim countries insist on using shria law 600 years later. I have also states facts to back myself up.
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
i wud get more sense talking to a tree. one minute u say isalm is the least tolerant then u say it is the most liberal.making your mind up. you are just being damn stubborn accept u fvcked up and move on.gudnite farhan.
Yea ok there is a big difference Islam is the most liberal religion when compared to other religions if you look at the holly books and laws.
But on the other hand no one allows the liberty Islam has given to women if it was followed then women would not be so surprised in Islamic countries, again we are talking mullah mentality.
Where as in other religions are more conservative but the followers do nt follow wrong things. Which is where law comes in most countries religion has been separated from law. In Christianity divorce is actually banned and do you know the amount of divorce that occurs here in the west.
How many times do I have to tell you that Islam as a religion is tolerant but the mullah mentality has screwed us over. Take Sallahudin and compare him to Osama, Sallahudin was the true muslim and he was secular by all means. Now take Osama who is a redneck mullah and a disgrace to Islam. What is sad is that majority of the muslim world is supporting Osama, this is what I mean by mullah mentality.
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
Farhan dont waste your time explaining to the bewuqoof.
Asqar.. Farhan is trying to explain to you that there is a difference between how ISLAM via the quran views women ... and.. how the ISLAMIC WORLD (meaning Islamic countries) treat women. middle east countries make up laws that are not necessarily prescribed by the quran..
Look at saudi arabia, where women are not even aloud to Drive a friggin car.. THey HAVE to wear a burqa over their entire body, if not they will be whipped by the police.. but men dont have to bag their ENTIRE body.. they are aloud to show their face.. why should the women have to bag their entire body, just because middle eastern men cant control their hormones.
Hmmm, Aksharmiyan, who said that the Manu Smriti is the ultimate text in Hinduism? The Manu Smriti's author, called Manu, doesn't claim to have received this message from a divine source. He wrote down what he felt about the world. Now, with your Turko-Persa-Arab Gods that fukked up our country, they made any thing that was non-Islamic and native as "Hindu", in their crusade of intolerance.
If today Mr. Bharat Rakshak wrote a book on how he views the world, it doesn't become a religious text. Now, I seriously think this thread should be locked. None of my threads, which you claim to respond to through these, attack Islam or the Quran or your prophet's integrity. Yours, is a different story.
u don't know nothing sallahuddin . u may have misconceptions about what is in media especially ridley's latest film on the crusades etc. but the man sallahuddin himself enjoyed victory after victory because him and his troops were in prostration even for tahajjud.they were true believers and followers of shariah. so whatever notions u have u can forget it.
@raj
don't fvcking try and be facetious. what can u tell me about islam?? the world isnt perfect we all know that. u want me to tell you all the wrongs that hinduism has done? islam is good. what people and states do, do of their own accord and no muslim country in the world follows islam in its truest form and btw thats not an islam moulded and fashioned to pseudo-liberal western way of thinking.
@bharat
u are a silly two faced little boy. u have a one point agenda and that is to bash islam. no one on waff ever says anything about hinduism and not because their is a shortage of things to say believe me there are things that wud make u puke. just carry on the way u are going and i will do the same
You can be rest assured that salahudin was nt the mullah muslim we have today. It is a recorded fact that after he captured Jerusalem he did nt slaughter the women and children and allowed all religions to continue worship in Jerusalem not just muslims. This is what a true follower of Islam behaves like not like ur piece of **** Osama who does nt have the balls to fight US man to man so killed civilians, the taliban tried to fight the US in Afghanistan and whooped they are such idiots they attacked US cuz they did nt want US forces in Saudi Arabia the holy land. Now US forces are swarming in both Afghanistan and Iraq, idiots probably thought they could defeat US too since mullah mentality has no logic and can not be reasoned with. Moreover Mr Osama has done muslims the biggest disservice in the history of Islam, yet he is worshipped by majority of the muslims as a coward "freedom fighter". This is the level he have sinked down to from the days of Salahudin, where as all the other religions have evolved. It is as undisputed fact that Salahudin did nt mass murder the innocent Christians in Jerusalem and allowed everyone to worship do nt give me sh-it on this cuz this is an undisputed fact. You can even look up articles on the crusades written by Christians and they ll say exactly the same thing
What Raj also tried to knock into ur head that if your religion says something it is not necessary that the followers will follow it. But u do nt seem to get it so I should not waste my time trying to embed it into you since ur not willing to listen and just keep going by what the religion says and never look at behavior of the followers.
Albert Einstein:
"We owe a lot to Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."
Mark Twain:
"India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, grandmother of legend, and great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."
Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to USA
"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."
The majority of muslims DO NOT support osama bin laden i don't know where u get your facts from. yes he does get support from extreme right wing supporters but up until recently their support in elections in most muslim countries was no more than 5% at most.
secondly if i followed raj and his religions way of thinking then i might be building idols myself and worshipping them. ulema have been the guardians of islam so do not bash them. if u are ashamed of your religion then change. we don't follow an islamic version that is suitable to the west.islam is islam and it won't change for anyone.
