What is your view on Germany in WW1. The British often sympathized with the Germans as they both suffered in the horrific trenches. On Christmas during the Great War the Germans and British came out of the trenches to greet each other and even played a game of soccer(football). Germans won. Needless to say, they were killing each other the next day. The French however didn't have this sort of companionship with the Germans as they were defending the land they grew up on and hearing about their family members lives being taken. Do you see the Germany with the barbaric helmet with a spike on top or young men who'd rather not be there. I see the barbarians at the beginning of the war but regular suffering men towards the end of the war.

The spike helmet KICKS major arse!




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Not a barbaric country.....

Simply one honoring mutual defense agreements with it's pre-war allies.

Any, yes Panda, the spiked helmet is pretty cool. Come to think of it, the Germans always had much better looking uniforms and gear...

LOL, yes we were the curse of mankind

Do you also believe the stories that we tossed Belgian babies into the fire?


The whole myth about Germany being more brutal than the others is just Entente propaganda.

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the spiked helmet is cool?! crazy! then again thats a bit hypocritical coming from a Brit, we have had the most un-cool military 'fashion' since we ditched the red tunics before the 2nd Boer War.

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A German Soldier doesnt die, he goes to hell and regroups !

Yes my fellow indo-european yes ^^^^^^^

Barabaric? lol

Simply another imperial nation.

Germany was just like the Imperial nations getting dragged into stupid treaties. I did a 50 page masters thesis on cause of WW1 and came out to say that Germany was just a bit more responsible given the General Staff thought they could pull off their Von Schiefflen plan and crush France and had taken england on with their Naval race. As a whole all the countries were responsible for their rush to war especially france wanting revenge for losing in 1870.

"Do you see the Germany with the barbaric helmet with a spike on top or young men who'd rather not be there."

No sane person happily goes to war for the sake of war. Anyone who says he does is either lying or should get his head checked ASAP.

Wars are more often then not thrust upon people. People are FORCED to fight wars, either to obey the command of their generals and political masters (where they are nothing better than cannon fodder) or they are forced to fight for their very survival (where they have no choice).

Irrespective of race, community, nationality ask any average person what he wants and he will reply a good job, good home, nice car, happy family etc etc etc. Nobody will come out with statements like i wanna kill this xyz countrymen the moment i see them.

Having said that its quite funny to see French people asking wether Germans are barbaric or not, LOL!!! Just how many people suffered and died under French/British/Dutch etc etc colonial rule? Yeah kid, its too big to even start counting.

WW1 and WW2 should have wiped 2/3 of Europe's population and yet still it would appear as a lenient sentence for all the crimes the Europeans committed. I see the atheists have a point after all, God wouldnt have allowed them to go scot free.

But still its funny when i see a dutch/french etc complaining about Nazi cruelty.




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Having said that its quite funny to see French people asking wether Germans are barbaric or not, LOL!!! Just how many people suffered and died under French/British/Dutch etc etc colonial rule? Yeah kid, its too big to even start counting.
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Please do not compare whites suffering and blackies suffering!



j/k (and a very bad joke at that), you are absolutely right.


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"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

When I was young I used to pray for a bike, then I realized that God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness.

^^ Actually its the suffering of the blackies, brownies, reds, yellows etc.




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^^ Actually its the suffering of the blackies, brownies, reds, yellows etc.

LOL, yes we were the curse of mankind

Do you also believe the stories that we tossed Belgian babies into the fire?


The whole myth about Germany being more brutal than the others is just Entente propaganda.
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Oh don't forget the 6 million Jews we killed in WWI.

^^ In WW2 u mean.

well concentration camps did exist, but i agree that the number 6 million is a bit far fecthed.

Why would i say so? 2 reasons-

1) If the German had the resources and manpower to kill 6 million jews in 6 years by deporting, jailing and feeding them they would have inflicted greater losses on the allies.

2) if the Nazis simply wanted to kill them they wouldnt waste so much fuel and manpower to transport them to camps, they would have shot them then n there itself. Nazis were not known for their humanity, why Hitler hated the Jews so much and why he made the concentration camps will either remain a secret forever or the answers are not disclosed yet.




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^^ In WW2 u mean.

well concentration camps did exist, but i agree that the number 6 million is a bit far fecthed.

Why would i say so? 2 reasons-

1) If the German had the resources and manpower to kill 6 million jews in 6 years by deporting, jailing and feeding them they would have inflicted greater losses on the allies.

2) if the Nazis simply wanted to kill them they wouldnt waste so much fuel and manpower to transport them to camps, they would have shot them then n there itself. Nazis were not known for their humanity, why Hitler hated the Jews so much and why he made the concentration camps will either remain a secret forever or the answers are not disclosed yet.
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No Sir, I meant World War One, not Two.

""New York Times, Aug. 10, 1917: Germans Let Jews Die. Six million Men, Women and Children in Warsaw Starving to Death Jewish mothers, mothers of mercy, feel happy to see their nursing babies die; at least they are through with their suffering."

""New York Times, Jan. 14, 1915, p. 3: In the world today there are about 13,000,000 Jews, of whom more than 6,000,000 are in the heart of the war zone; Jews whose lives are at stake and who today are subjected to every manner of suffering and sorrow [].""

""New York Times, Sept. 29, 1919, p. 7: tragically unbelievable poverty, starvation, disease and death at the hands of the Germans about 6,000,000 souls, or half the Jewish population of the earth."

These are just a small number of news headlines out of thousands from WWI.
Tell me that you don't find this somewhat fishy?
Do you understand why I just can't believe the 6 million Jewish deaths from WWII concentration camps with out evidence?
No video, no photo, no autopsy report, no forensic evidence what so ever, no freaking order to exterminate 6 million Jews.
Laws exist that will imprison you for 5 years if you just question aspects of the Holocaust, not deny it, but just question it.
In countries where they don't have that law, you will be financially ruined such as the USA.
Hell, the six million figure of WWII is already dead, Auschwitz revised the Jewish deaths from 4.1 million to some 700,000, that is more than half the number of the 6 million.

Here is one of the articles.

^^ i get your point.

but i dont deny that the holocaust did take place, jews were segregated and kept in concentration camps, you cant deny that. It will be the biggest conspiracy on earth if so many jews lie together as such.

though i share your doubts on the "6 million" number and id dint know that germans are accused of killing 6 million jews in WW1 as well.

the reason why i have some sympathy for Germans are cause i feel they are unfairly victimised. Spaniards, British, Dutch etc have all contributed to genocide in one form or the other. In fact the Turkish literally massacred in cold blood 1 million Armenians and the Turks have over the centuries gathered a reputation for being genocidal.

another reason is that the nuremberg trial is a farce. no action was taken against the allied forces which killed POW in cold blood, and massacred civillians and raped women particularly by the soviets.

i wont give a clean chit to the germans, they were guilty but the allies were no angels either.




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I have a certain sympathy for Germany in WW1.

They've taken the lion's share of the blame for it, while Austria-Hungary were really the primary movers.

Having said that, the German Government wasn't exactly an unwilling participant.

^^ no country which took part in WW1 was an unwilling participant. The triple entetntes and the triple alliances all mean that they were sitting on a powder keg.




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"no country which took part in WW1 was an unwilling participant."

I don't believe that the allies were as keen as the Central Powers.

I particularly think the British Government would have been very happy if the Germans had bypassed Belgium and left them out of it.

However if France & Russia looked in danger of a serious defeat Britain would probably have had to interceede anyway.


"The triple entetntes and the triple alliances all mean that they were sitting on a powder keg."

Very true...

And you have to wonder how differently things would have turned out if things had gone the way they were looking ten(-ish) years earlier with the creation of an Anglo-German Alliance aimed against France & Russia.

what is this a dotheads like FN doubt 6 millions jew died in hands of efficient germans over 6 years but believe like a "good indian" that 45,000 paki soldiers killed 3 millions bengalis in less than nine months

indians r retard no doubt there.....

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"I particularly think the British Government would have been very happy if the Germans had bypassed Belgium and left them out of it."

British were just looking for an excuse, they would have jumped in sooner rather than late.

Reason being the Prussian (german) military strength which was growing every year. From what i have read i understand that Germany was a power to reckon with in those days, their army was arguably the best in Europe and their navy rivalled the British Royal Navy. I remember reading that the brits were particularly concerned about the navy as it posed a direct challenge to British interests and of course the last straw- Germany a new entrant in colonisation and hungry for colonies.

And i agree with your point. Its surprising to see that former allies turn foes so easily and former foes turn into allies. Who would have thought in Napoleonic times that France and Britain will fight side by side against Germany only 100 years later and the Franco-Anglo alliance will start even earlier.

One more reason why i feel fate has been unkind on Germany is because Napoleon i believe was a far more ruthless, cunning and better military tactician as compared to Hitler.Napoleon did the same thing as Hitler did but France was spared the horror and destruction that Germany faced in both world wars. Napoleon i think was the only general to have conquered Moscow but had to leave it because of Russian ally winter. Just imagine if Napoleon had the resources and technology that Hitler had then France would have ruled the planet.


And i would have to study French, tried my hand for 3 months and i simply cant make head or tail out of it. How do the French manage to speak it?





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"what is this a dotheads like FN doubt 6 millions jew died in hands of efficient germans over 6 years but believe like a "good indian" that 45,000 paki soldiers killed 3 millions bengalis in less than nine months

indians r retard no doubt there....."

6 million may or may not have died. The number could be less or more, its not about the number but the way the numbers were magically conjured up. But i dont think a retard like you would understand now would you?

and as for hindus, well ever since partition hindus in bangladesh and phuckistan are facing persecution. 45,000 phucki soldeirs? where do you pull up this numbers from you idiot?

east phuckistani army was more than that, hell 90,000 of them surrendered in 1971 and they were backed by heavy numbers of armed razzakars. it was the muslim population of east phuckistan vs a handful of hindus.






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another example of your retardness. 90k were POW they included service men, admistrators, families i.e combat personnel. 45-50k were the actual fighting men. u dothead love lie, fudge, and distord.

it just your creed..... now go suck on cow's boobs before i wack u all over the place.

dothead

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"another example of your retardness. 90k were POW they included service men, admistrators, families i.e combat personnel. 45-50k were the actual fighting men. u dothead love lie, fudge, and distord."

Yea yea moron, keep on lying and consoling yourself.

To humour you, even if you are correct you losers still made a world record, CONGRATS! . 45k were fighting, i thought in another thread you put the number at 54k, LOL!!!! And how many divisions do you think 54k will make?

"it just your creed..... now go suck on cow's boobs before i wack u all over the place."

I already sucked your boobs dry and now you are running in WAFF with dehydrated boobs





colours of Kaziranga

and yet the pakistan infantry is considered better than indian.... what a retard!

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Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia



Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c

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"Do you also believe the stories that we tossed Belgian babies into the fire?"

your "barbaric" german anchestors did, Reaver

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuven#History

Upon German entry in WW1, the town was heavily damaged due to German Schrecklichkeit policy. The Germans shot the mayor, university rector and all the city's police officers.[3][4] The university library was deliberately destroyed by the German army on August 25, 1914, using petrol and incendiary pastilles. Hundreds of thousands of irreplaceable volumes and Gothic and Renaissance manuscripts were lost. [5] The world was outraged over this and the library was completely rebuilt after World War I with American charity funds and German war indemnities. Thousands of its citizans fled to the countryside, to other cities but also to Holland, England and France. A number of them were also deported by the Germans to Germany. The sack of Leuven became a element in the propaganda war. One of the films, The German Occupation of Historic Louvain was produced September 20, 1914. The film was shown world wide i.e. Holland, Costa Rica, Canada and France.[6]

After World War II, the burnt down University library had to be restored again.[7] It still stands as a symbol of the wars and of Allied solidarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrecklichkeit

Schrecklichkeit (German "terror" or "frightfulness") was a military response[citation needed] of the German Army to civilian resistance in World War One during the invasion of Belgium, France[1][2] and Poland[3] as well as in Russia.

note: the belgian civilian "resistance" existed only in the shrinking minds of german invaders at the beginning of WWI

germans overreacted and were prejudiced by their fait in prevemptive strike and violence

so the feeling of western europeans they were still barbaric "huns"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_II,_German_Emperor#Foreign_affairs

After the murder of the German ambassador during the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, a regiment of German troops was sent to China. In a speech of 27 July 1900, the Emperor exhorted these troops:

"Should you encounter the enemy, he will be defeated! No quarter will be given! Prisoners will not be taken! Whoever falls into your hands is forfeited. Just as a thousand years ago the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one that even today makes them seem mighty in history and legend, may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look cross-eyed at a German. [6]
Though its full impact was not felt until many years later, when Entente and American propagandists took advantage from this careless public speech, this is another example of his unfortunate propensity for impolitic public utterances


"The whole myth about Germany being more brutal than the others is just Entente propaganda."


not really, particularly brits weren't but germans were worst

reread the german invasion of Belgium, please

Barbara W. Tuchman is a good source about the beginning of WWI

Germany was an affluent and developing country but as your anchestors knew and claimed they were more advanced/civilized then eastern europeans but they were also very aware they were less in comparison with western europeans who they considered weak and declining


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"I particularly think the British Government would have been very happy if the Germans had bypassed Belgium and left them out of it."

British were just looking for an excuse, they would have jumped in sooner rather than late.

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britons were more or less bond by a treaty to protect Belgium

and the independence of the Benelux countries as always been a primary strategic interest of the UK in the last thousand years

a major power in control of that area would have been a major and direct menace to the british islands, and the lost of a really strategic market and of the traditional and main access way to the european core from England by the Rhine

as a former british subject and possibly living in the british islands you should know better british history and imperial politics

reread in particular the religion wars, the napoleonic ones and the strategic interests of britain in those wars and then turn to look to both WWI and WWII and the british involvment in all of these conflicts

btw, Germany was not so efficient and powerful as legend and propaganda claimed

the fear of the rising german navy was real in UK but disproportionated and unrealistic

for 1913 the british countermeasures had gained again an english advantage in the specific area

Germany couldn't really aim contemporary to a land and sea supremacy

and about the german industrial superiority it was only temporary

Imperial russian economy was rising fastly and was naturally destinated to exceed the german one

the enormous power of Soviet Russia yet existed in the Tsarist hereditament (simply then russian communism and barbaric slavic-asiatic communism ****ed everything for russians)

Great Britain was the superpower of XIX century but between 1890-1913 USA suppassed it

Germans, and their leadership knew that very well, were in the risk to became the eternal number two amid the decline of UK and the rise of Russia as the main European power, without mentioning USA who they weren't really aware ot its power and potentiality (as Mussolini too wasn't)

they had a "window of opportunity" in the mid and they went crazy to exploit that chance

but those "arrogant germans" played the game both stupidly and rashly, they did too much wrong and they made everyone hating them and they were defeated and subdued at the end - proving they were unsuited to world leadership


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I think a big factor of WWI was in the proto-international law that had its genesis in the proposals of Rousseau and Kant among other philosophers. They considered the problem of how to preserve peace and stated that the solution was a "Confederation of European Heads of State" with a mutual interest in preserving and maintaing the peace. But when Kings and governments got a gist of the idea and implemented it to perpetuate instead their imperial interests it just made war more interwined, global and thus deadly.

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"and yet the pakistan infantry is considered better than indian.... what a retard!"

yeah, thats why they surrendered 90,000 soldiers eh?




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