Why Are They Lost? Can the Science of Molecular Genetics Help Identify Their Descendants? The archaeological dead-end in this area of investigation leads us to call for a new scientific investigation which could put this matter to an end.
by Michael P. Germano
Under the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon the people of Israel formed a single nation through the union of the twelve tribes. This confederation ended at the death of Solomon when the tribes separated into two independent states. The northern Kingdom of Israel separated itself from the Kingdom of Judah at the beginning of the reign of Solomon’s son Rehoboam. The northern tribes formed the Kingdom of Israel. The tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi made up the Kingdom of Judah to the south.
In BCE 722 the Kingdom of Israel fell to Sargon II and the Assyrians. By order of its conquerors the substantial majority of its inhabitants relocated in Assyria as captives, exiles, and slaves. This was the original Diaspora. At this time some members of the northern tribes, a remnant, fled to the south and joined themselves to the Kingdom of Judah. Evidence of this refugee movement into Judah are new neighborhoods and building programs at Jerusalem at that time. Hence the people known as the Jews involved some admixture of the tribes. This kingdom, which later fell to the Babylonians in BCE 587, added the Jews, that is the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and the remaining remnant of the Ten Tribes to the Diaspora.
When Jewish exiles returned to Judea during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah not all did so. Those who did not go back remained part of the Diaspora which by then not only extended throughout the Persian Empire but to regions and lands far beyond.
What became of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel? Outside of the Bible itself the limited evidence pertinent to this question appears to be ambiguous, incomplete, and suspect. Presumably the lost ten tribes never returned to the Holy Land. Archaeology, history, and linguistics fail to explain their fate. No more than soft evidence is available and none of it is scientific. While interesting the evidence is not compelling.
At the heart of the matter is a theological concept, a hermeneutic often with significant prophetic overtones, read into the findings of archaeology, history, and linguistics. Even a cursory reading of the various publications "identifying" and equating the United States, Britain, and northern European nations and peoples with the lost ten tribes evidence theological arguments based upon their particular authors' exegesis.
Inconclusive Data is a Problem
While the findings of historians, linguists and archeologists are of great import they do not establish with any certainty that Americans of northern European descent, the British, and northern European peoples are indeed the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of the House of Israel. The data is inconclusive except for those people willing to accept a very low standard of proof, simply believe what they read, or trust in someone else's opinion and logic.
Moreover, the political situation since World War II has inhibited extensive archaeological research in Iraq, the former Soviet Union, communist Poland, and some adjoining states. This region is the traditional route of the Israelite immigration into northern Europe. Further, slaves, refugees, and nomads do not make good subjects for archaeological research. Their mudbrick houses washed away a long time ago and few, if any, monuments testify to their feats and accomplishments. Only rarely would we expect to find such data. It appears we now deal, absent some new accidental discovery, with an archaeological dead-end.
Except for a limited account of the deportation by the Assyrians and prophecies such as the promises made to the tribes recorded in Genesis 49 the Bible is silent on this subject. Spinning Genesis 49 and a few other scriptures such as Genesis 35:9, I Chronicles 5:2, Romans 1:16, and the like, results in an illusory proof. Why? Its proponents consistently fail to establish context! Now do not misunderstand. This criticism of some very prominent writers and their logic does not mean that the basic proposition is in error, nor does it necessarily diminish the writer's importance, stature, or contribution in his or her own time. I simply question the nature of the inquiry, the quality of the data, and the conclusions drawn from the available data. Northern Europeans may very well be and probably are descendants of the ancient Israelites. This is no great leap of faith for those of us who have spent time in the study of migration of ancient peoples and population genetics. I merely suggest we refocus the inquiry along scientific lines so we can develop sufficient evidence, perhaps, to put the matter to rest. If, on the other hand, hard scientific evidence confirms at a high level of statistical certainty that northern European peoples and Americans of northern European descent (Danes, Scots, English, Swedes, Fins, and the like) are descendants of the ancient Israelites then we should reconsider the theological implications. The matter would require careful scrutiny.
The Assyrian empire declined and eventually collapsed with the rise of the Chaldean empire. Nearly all the literature dealing with the fate of the Israelite tribes suggest either their absorption into Gentile populations, where they perished as a people with their genes swamped and their culture abandoned, or their assent to nationhood as the British, and other northern European peoples. In this thinking the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic peoples are descendants of the lost ten tribes.
According to the apostle John, writing late in the first century, Jesus also had said, "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they shall hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd" (John 10:16 NASB). By "this fold,"
Jesus referred to the Jewish nation living in Roman Judea wherein he fulfilled his ministry. Presumably the apostles understood this reference to "other sheep" to refer to the scattered twelve tribes in the Dispersion. Technically the reference was to all thirteen tribes as the "tribe" of Joseph consisted of two tribes namely Ephraim and Manasseh. The Judean Jews of Jesus day referred to the scattered tribes of Israel as "the dispersed among the Gentiles" (John 7:35). They were the "Lost Ten Tribes of the house of Israel" and included scattered members of house of Judah as well.
The term "other sheep" could not have referred to Gentiles. In the Hebrew Scriptures only the descendants of Jacob, who had his name changed to Israel by YHWH, were known as "sheep." The Gentiles could secure salvation through Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Ephesians 2:11-13) but there is no scriptural reference to them nationally as "sheep." In the New Testament sheep became a cipher for the people of God, those converted through the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, and not a symbol for Jews or for Gentiles.
A Prophetic Hermeneutic is No Big Help
Claims that the tribes migrated into northern Europe and constitute the basic stock of modern nations arose in the seventeenth century commonly have a scriptural basis, arise from a prophetic hermeneutic, and reflect an ethnocentric philosophy. The idea caught on in the time of the industrial revolution in the West. It was a time when "civilized" peoples such as the British and French saw most of the world's peoples as savages. The British Israelite idea served to legitimize royalty and advance British imperialism. It also served in the eradication of native American populations seen by some as Canaanite peoples. In our present world the equation of America, Britain, and northern European nations with specific Israelite tribes serves to impart an exciting prophetic hermeneutic for interpreting why the world is the way it is and what is going to happen in the course of future events. Few who hold to this worldview are aware of the tenuous basis of the hermeneutic upon which they rely.
Even though such thinking is quite ethnocentric, often contradictory, and speculative, it does not negate the fact that hundreds of thousands of Israelites experienced deportation to Assyria where they settled. These refugees continued to live, have children, and grandchildren. Their descendants are with us today! But where? This leads us to consider what we can know and how we can know it. The question is can we identify the descendants of these ancient Israelite peoples and, if so, how? I suggest that the answer does not lie in theological speculation but in the science of molecular biology and genetics.
A 1982 study undertaken by Kobyliansky (1982) and colleagues at Tel-Aviv University in Israel found, with the exception of that in Yemen, that Jewish populations cluster together genetically and are distinct genetically from most non-Jewish populations. The Jewish populations in the study were closer to each other genetically than to their non-Jewish neighbors. Moreover, non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations, the Arabs, cluster with the Jewish populations. Since both peoples descend from Abraham, the Jews through Isaac and the Arabs through Ishmael, these findings are consistent with the biblical account. The study utilized seven genetic marker loci. This study provides a basis for beginning a similar study including imputed Israelite populations.
A Scientific Test is Possible
In recent decades molecular biology has significantly advanced. By 1990 scientists launched an ambitious attempt to map all of the estimated 100,000 genes in a human DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) molecule known as the Human Genome Project. The nucleus of each cell contains DNA. The structure of each DNA molecule consists of two strands arranged in a helix joined together by chemical bases. In humans the nucleus of a cell contains 23 pairs of DNA each known as a chromosome. Moreover, the mitochondria of each cell contains additional DNA called mtDNA (Mitochondrial DNA). The latter ordinarily pass only through the maternal line but there is some scientific evidence suggesting that some can transfer from the father.
A mutation must occur in the DNA, either nuclear or Mitochondrial, passed through a sperm cell or ovum to have a genetic impact in an offspring. A mutation is a change in genetic code. Mutations in nuclear DNA can bring about neutral, harmful, or helpful results. As scientists learn more of human DNA the mechanisms of heredity have become clearer. Molecular biology and genetics provide us with the means and the opportunity to identify the descendants of the ancient Israelite peoples.
Two avenues of scientific research can bare on this subject: (1) research on gene mutations and genetic diseases and (2) Mitochondrial DNA research. Both approaches require the identification of appropriate genetic markers and the establishment of a sampling technique across European peoples as part of a careful research design. A vital part of the study would need to be the acquisition and isolation of DNA from human remains from the ancient Israelites and burial sites along the imputed migration route in their relevant time periods..
Let's Examine Our Genes
Only certain peoples can assimilate dairy products due to a lactase deficiency in most human populations. Most adult humans cannot digest milk efficiently resulting in various symptoms including severe cramps, diarrhea, and other intestinal disorders. The "gene mutation" resulting in the ability to manufacture the lactase enzyme as a mature adult is traceable to a mutation occurring in an individual living in the Middle East several millennia ago about the time of the invention of herding and the domestication of animals. Research shows that European Americans have a 2-19% lactase deficiency, African Americans a 70-77% deficiency, and Asian Americans a 95-100% deficiency. This is an example of a helpful result coming from a gene mutation and it is a rich area for research on the Lost Ten Tribes issue. Other avenues for exploration are diabetes, sickle cell anemia, blood groups, the HLA system, and the like.
The Answer May Lie in Our mtDNA
Neutral mutations of mtDNA are neither beneficial nor harmful but accumulate over long periods. The Israelite population in question involves a period of about 4,000 years. Assuming this accumulation occurs at a constant rate over time, as most researchers believe, the number of mutations shared by individuals reflect the closeness of their relationship. Molecular geneticists then employ this to estimate at what time in the past that they shared a common ancestor using DNA from the Mitochondria (the energy-producing part of a cell). Since mtDNA accumulates neutral mutations rapidly it is an effective tool for studying genetic relationships in humans. As inheritance of mtDNA is from the mother alone geneticists trace recent genetic change through the female line. Ultimately, the derivation of all human mtDNA is from a common female ancestor. A caveat is that there is some evidence to link some mtDNA to fathers. I suggest that mtDNA based studies can be quite helpful, perhaps ultimately key, in investigating the Lost Ten Tribes problem.
In spite of the potential of the science of human genetics for providing us with insight into the Lost Ten Tribes problem God might want, for his greater purposes, for the tribes to remain lost from we more inquisitive types. Note that I have not raised the issue of the identity of tribes nor suggested any particular prophetic significance. Those are another matter for another day. It is sufficient at this time to point out, however, that "the nations of the earth will be blessed" through the descendants of Abraham (Genesis 18:18, cf., Galatians 3:8 NASB). This scripture may include the birth of the Messiah to a virgin in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago but also through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob God brought many blessings to the world.
This message has been edited by Magnus4 on Aug 24, 2005 4:47 PM
Quote:While the findings of historians, linguists and archeologists are of great import they do not establish with any certainty that Americans of northern European descent, the British, and northern European peoples are indeed the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of the House of Israel. The data is inconclusive except for those people willing to accept a very low standard of proof, simply believe what they read, or trust in someone else's opinion and logic.
The English are descendents of the jews, that would be very improbable if you tell me.
I'll repost the article, your's is all mess up.
Who Are the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel?
Why Are They Lost? Can the Science of Molecular Genetics Help Identify Their Descendants? The archaeological dead-end in this area of investigation leads us to call for a new scientific investigation which could put this matter to an end.
by Michael P. Germano
Under the reigns of Saul, David, and Solomon the people of Israel formed a single nation through the union of the twelve tribes. This confederation ended at the death of Solomon when the tribes separated into two independent states. The northern Kingdom of Israel separated itself from the Kingdom of Judah at the beginning of the reign of Solomon’s son Rehoboam. The northern tribes formed the Kingdom of Israel. The tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi made up the Kingdom of Judah to the south.
In BCE 722 the Kingdom of Israel fell to Sargon II and the Assyrians. By order of its conquerors the substantial majority of its inhabitants relocated in Assyria as captives, exiles, and slaves. This was the original Diaspora. At this time some members of the northern tribes, a remnant, fled to the south and joined themselves to the Kingdom of Judah. Evidence of this refugee movement into Judah are new neighborhoods and building programs at Jerusalem at that time. Hence the people known as the Jews involved some admixture of the tribes. This kingdom, which later fell to the Babylonians in BCE 587, added the Jews, that is the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and the remaining remnant of the Ten Tribes to the Diaspora.
When Jewish exiles returned to Judea during the time of Ezra and Nehemiah not all did so. Those who did not go back remained part of the Diaspora which by then not only extended throughout the Persian Empire but to regions and lands far beyond.
What became of the lost ten tribes of the house of Israel? Outside of the Bible itself the limited evidence pertinent to this question appears to be ambiguous, incomplete, and suspect. Presumably the lost ten tribes never returned to the Holy Land. Archaeology, history, and linguistics fail to explain their fate. No more than soft evidence is available and none of it is scientific. While interesting the evidence is not compelling.
At the heart of the matter is a theological concept, a hermeneutic often with significant prophetic overtones, read into the findings of archaeology, history, and linguistics. Even a cursory reading of the various publications "identifying" and equating the United States, Britain, and northern European nations and peoples with the lost ten tribes evidence theological arguments based upon their particular authors' exegesis.
Inconclusive Data is a Problem
While the findings of historians, linguists and archeologists are of great import they do not establish with any certainty that Americans of northern European descent, the British, and northern European peoples are indeed the descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of the House of Israel. The data is inconclusive except for those people willing to accept a very low standard of proof, simply believe what they read, or trust in someone else's opinion and logic.
Moreover, the political situation since World War II has inhibited extensive archaeological research in Iraq, the former Soviet Union, communist Poland, and some adjoining states. This region is the traditional route of the Israelite immigration into northern Europe. Further, slaves, refugees, and nomads do not make good subjects for archaeological research. Their mudbrick houses washed away a long time ago and few, if any, monuments testify to their feats and accomplishments. Only rarely would we expect to find such data. It appears we now deal, absent some new accidental discovery, with an archaeological dead-end.
Except for a limited account of the deportation by the Assyrians and prophecies such as the promises made to the tribes recorded in Genesis 49 the Bible is silent on this subject. Spinning Genesis 49 and a few other scriptures such as Genesis 35:9, I Chronicles 5:2, Romans 1:16, and the like, results in an illusory proof. Why? Its proponents consistently fail to establish context! Now do not misunderstand. This criticism of some very prominent writers and their logic does not mean that the basic proposition is in error, nor does it necessarily diminish the writer's importance, stature, or contribution in his or her own time. I simply question the nature of the inquiry, the quality of the data, and the conclusions drawn from the available data. Northern Europeans may very well be and probably are descendants of the ancient Israelites. This is no great leap of faith for those of us who have spent time in the study of migration of ancient peoples and population genetics. I merely suggest we refocus the inquiry along scientific lines so we can develop sufficient evidence, perhaps, to put the matter to rest. If, on the other hand, hard scientific evidence confirms at a high level of statistical certainty that northern European peoples and Americans of northern European descent (Danes, Scots, English, Swedes, Fins, and the like) are descendants of the ancient Israelites then we should reconsider the theological implications. The matter would require careful scrutiny.
The Assyrian empire declined and eventually collapsed with the rise of the Chaldean empire. Nearly all the literature dealing with the fate of the Israelite tribes suggest either their absorption into Gentile populations, where they perished as a people with their genes swamped and their culture abandoned, or their assent to nationhood as the British, and other northern European peoples. In this thinking the Anglo-Saxon and Celtic peoples are descendants of the lost ten tribes.
According to the apostle John, writing late in the first century, Jesus also had said, "And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they shall hear My voice; and they shall become one flock with one shepherd" (John 10:16 NASB). By "this fold,"
Jesus referred to the Jewish nation living in Roman Judea wherein he fulfilled his ministry. Presumably the apostles understood this reference to "other sheep" to refer to the scattered twelve tribes in the Dispersion. Technically the reference was to all thirteen tribes as the "tribe" of Joseph consisted of two tribes namely Ephraim and Manasseh. The Judean Jews of Jesus day referred to the scattered tribes of Israel as "the dispersed among the Gentiles" (John 7:35). They were the "Lost Ten Tribes of the house of Israel" and included scattered members of house of Judah as well.
The term "other sheep" could not have referred to Gentiles. In the Hebrew Scriptures only the descendants of Jacob, who had his name changed to Israel by YHWH, were known as "sheep." The Gentiles could secure salvation through Jesus Christ of Nazareth (Ephesians 2:11-13) but there is no scriptural reference to them nationally as "sheep." In the New Testament sheep became a cipher for the people of God, those converted through the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit, and not a symbol for Jews or for Gentiles.
A Prophetic Hermeneutic is No Big Help
Claims that the tribes migrated into northern Europe and constitute the basic stock of modern nations arose in the seventeenth century commonly have a scriptural basis, arise from a prophetic hermeneutic, and reflect an ethnocentric philosophy. The idea caught on in the time of the industrial revolution in the West. It was a time when "civilized" peoples such as the British and French saw most of the world's peoples as savages. The British Israelite idea served to legitimize royalty and advance British imperialism. It also served in the eradication of native American populations seen by some as Canaanite peoples. In our present world the equation of America, Britain, and northern European nations with specific Israelite tribes serves to impart an exciting prophetic hermeneutic for interpreting why the world is the way it is and what is going to happen in the course of future events. Few who hold to this worldview are aware of the tenuous basis of the hermeneutic upon which they rely.
Even though such thinking is quite ethnocentric, often contradictory, and speculative, it does not negate the fact that hundreds of thousands of Israelites experienced deportation to Assyria where they settled. These refugees continued to live, have children, and grandchildren. Their descendants are with us today! But where? This leads us to consider what we can know and how we can know it. The question is can we identify the descendants of these ancient Israelite peoples and, if so, how? I suggest that the answer does not lie in theological speculation but in the science of molecular biology and genetics.
A 1982 study undertaken by Kobyliansky (1982) and colleagues at Tel-Aviv University in Israel found, with the exception of that in Yemen, that Jewish populations cluster together genetically and are distinct genetically from most non-Jewish populations. The Jewish populations in the study were closer to each other genetically than to their non-Jewish neighbors. Moreover, non-Jewish Middle Eastern populations, the Arabs, cluster with the Jewish populations. Since both peoples descend from Abraham, the Jews through Isaac and the Arabs through Ishmael, these findings are consistent with the biblical account. The study utilized seven genetic marker loci. This study provides a basis for beginning a similar study including imputed Israelite populations.
A Scientific Test is Possible
In recent decades molecular biology has significantly advanced. By 1990 scientists launched an ambitious attempt to map all of the estimated 100,000 genes in a human DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) molecule known as the Human Genome Project. The nucleus of each cell contains DNA. The structure of each DNA molecule consists of two strands arranged in a helix joined together by chemical bases. In humans the nucleus of a cell contains 23 pairs of DNA each known as a chromosome. Moreover, the mitochondria of each cell contains additional DNA called mtDNA (Mitochondrial DNA). The latter ordinarily pass only through the maternal line but there is some scientific evidence suggesting that some can transfer from the father.
A mutation must occur in the DNA, either nuclear or Mitochondrial, passed through a sperm cell or ovum to have a genetic impact in an offspring. A mutation is a change in genetic code. Mutations in nuclear DNA can bring about neutral, harmful, or helpful results. As scientists learn more of human DNA the mechanisms of heredity have become clearer. Molecular biology and genetics provide us with the means and the opportunity to identify the descendants of the ancient Israelite peoples.
Two avenues of scientific research can bare on this subject: (1) research on gene mutations and genetic diseases and (2) Mitochondrial DNA research. Both approaches require the identification of appropriate genetic markers and the establishment of a sampling technique across European peoples as part of a careful research design. A vital part of the study would need to be the acquisition and isolation of DNA from human remains from the ancient Israelites and burial sites along the imputed migration route in their relevant time periods..
Let's Examine Our Genes
Only certain peoples can assimilate dairy products due to a lactase deficiency in most human populations. Most adult humans cannot digest milk efficiently resulting in various symptoms including severe cramps, diarrhea, and other intestinal disorders. The "gene mutation" resulting in the ability to manufacture the lactase enzyme as a mature adult is traceable to a mutation occurring in an individual living in the Middle East several millennia ago about the time of the invention of herding and the domestication of animals. Research shows that European Americans have a 2-19% lactase deficiency, African Americans a 70-77% deficiency, and Asian Americans a 95-100% deficiency. This is an example of a helpful result coming from a gene mutation and it is a rich area for research on the Lost Ten Tribes issue. Other avenues for exploration are diabetes, sickle cell anemia, blood groups, the HLA system, and the like.
The Answer May Lie in Our mtDNA
Neutral mutations of mtDNA are neither beneficial nor harmful but accumulate over long periods. The Israelite population in question involves a period of about 4,000 years. Assuming this accumulation occurs at a constant rate over time, as most researchers believe, the number of mutations shared by individuals reflect the closeness of their relationship. Molecular geneticists then employ this to estimate at what time in the past that they shared a common ancestor using DNA from the Mitochondria (the energy-producing part of a cell). Since mtDNA accumulates neutral mutations rapidly it is an effective tool for studying genetic relationships in humans. As inheritance of mtDNA is from the mother alone geneticists trace recent genetic change through the female line. Ultimately, the derivation of all human mtDNA is from a common female ancestor. A caveat is that there is some evidence to link some mtDNA to fathers. I suggest that mtDNA based studies can be quite helpful, perhaps ultimately key, in investigating the Lost Ten Tribes problem.
In spite of the potential of the science of human genetics for providing us with insight into the Lost Ten Tribes problem God might want, for his greater purposes, for the tribes to remain lost from we more inquisitive types. Note that I have not raised the issue of the identity of tribes nor suggested any particular prophetic significance. Those are another matter for another day. It is sufficient at this time to point out, however, that "the nations of the earth will be blessed" through the descendants of Abraham (Genesis 18:18, cf., Galatians 3:8 NASB). This scripture may include the birth of the Messiah to a virgin in Bethlehem 2,000 years ago but also through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob God brought many blessings to the world.
-------------------------------------------- We were not given dominion over the earth; our forebears earned it in their long, nightmarish struggle against creatures far stronger, swifter, and better armed than ourselves, when the terror of being ripped apart and devoured was never further away than the darkness beyond the campfire's warmth. -Darwin
Most of the 10 lost tribes are probably mostly Arab today. But maybe Russian too. I believe the Russians (and Poles) have the highest percentage of Jewish blood in the world.
In the US, most Jews came from Poland and Russia. Maybe Slavs are some of the lost Jewish tribes?
Allegedly some of lost ten tribes are Pashtuns (Afghans) and Kashmiris. Take a look at their physical appearances and compared them to the Samaritans...
Jews were a large number in Russia and Poland, but they weren't majority. Slavs are closely related to European peoples like Germanic (Indo-European). Jews come from a Semitic background, so are essentially related to Arabs. They did come and mingle with all races of Europe... before they came to Poland and Russia they were in Spain, England, France and Germany... They moved to the high populations of Western Europe before they were expelled one by one (starting in 1100-1500 ending around) and moved East into the new 'booming' populations of the Slavic Kingdoms.
They mixed with their blood first. But most Polish Jews were killed, while many Russian Jews were expelled from the USSR or Imperial Russia. Jews in America come mainly from German and Russian/Ukrainian backgrounds.
Calling a Slav a Jew (by blood) is like calling a Han Chinese an Indian.
But nsdap_id actually has said something correct (in theory terms) for once. It is highly speculated that Afghanis are one of the lost tribes of Israel. However, the theory splinters into many areas, like they were the tribe of Judea and hence thats why Jews converted to Islam there, unlike any other Jews.
Kronic was refering to the Beni Israel, they are group of Jews who settled in Southern and Western India about a thousand years ago. They have nothing to do with the ancient biblical Lost Trbes of Israel.
As for the Pashtuns, in their genealogies all Pashtuns trace themselves back to the Lost Tribes of Israel, but recent genetic testing has proven that they are mainly a mix of various Indian, Iranic and Turkic groups.
"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini
Have they tested DNA on Pashtuns? what about for references? i now atleast a
Swedish Pow runnaway in Uzbekistan? who trained lokal people in Artillery, in 1715 i think.
And he was in Afganistan at a time of war between some tribes there.
darada can you send me the link of the dna structure of pashtuns ...
i know a pashto he look like a sharuh khan but has blue eyes and he thinks he is 100% aryan and 100% iranic-race i want show him he is a jew-turk-indic mix l o l
The info is on many other pages too, including a famous Y-Chromosome DNA test that took place in Pakistan in 2002.
Also check out Wikipedia and the National Geographic Genome Project site.
One thing all of these tests accept is that the Pashtuns are not a Semitic people, but essentially Iranic with some Indic, Dardic and a small amount of Turkic admixture.
"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini
Most of the 10 lost tribes are probably mostly Arab today. But maybe Russian too. I believe the Russians (and Poles) have the highest percentage of Jewish blood in the world.
Years ago I read Kessler's "The 13th race". He claims (and finds solid historical evidence for it) that most modern jews have Turkic blood in them.
In the 8th Cent AD the Hazar empire's Khan situated east of the Byzantines and NW of the Arabs decided they needed to abandon Paganism and embrace Monotheism. In his mind that would help his people create the social structures/ties required for empire and non-existant in nomadic cultures.
Christianity would have made him subject to Constantinople and Islam to the Khaliphate. So he went for... Judaism!
In a few years all his subjects had converted to Judaism.
Over the next century when their empire was dissolved many of them migrated N - NW : Eastern Europe and Russia.
Kessler also finds common facial characteristics of Eastern Jews (curved noses, dark complexion etc) to be of Turkic origin and to support his claim.
Today 90% of Jews are decendants of Eastern Jews. Kessler says they belong to this 13th race, ie they are not children of Abraham.
Kessler also finds common facial characteristics of Eastern Jews (curved noses, dark complexion etc) to be of Turkic origin and to support his claim.
I thought curve noses were semetic not turkish since the turks were closely related to mongols. No hooked noses among turks closest to their origins like Uighurs, Kazakhs and Uzbeks.
------------------------------------------------- That's for tinting your hair red, arse-kisser!
Calling a Slav a Jew (by blood) is like calling a Han Chinese an Indian.
Sorry dude, I didn't say that Poles are Jews only that Poland and Russia have or had high percentages of Jews and because of that there are many Slavs with jewish blood in those places. This is from what I've read. Maybe it's just Germans making these things up. LOL
------------------------------------------------- That's for tinting your hair red, arse-kisser!
Without getting too much into a subject that does not interest most of us. I just wondering where
the author of this thread is getting his information from. TORAH ?
Because there are historical inaccuracies, and outlandish assertions, presented as fact that are a
bit self-promoting for someone who seems to be a Jew.
To try to look for historical evidence, to prove a “fact” quoted in the Bible or Torah, is best kept
for a heated debate at the Sunday School.
The absurdity of such injection of abstracts from the Bible, or worse Torah, is outlandish.
It is like spending tens of millions of dollars to look for Noah’s Ark. Or the ruins of Sodom and
Gomorrah. Or doing the same to prove Bible’s proposition that the Earth is only 8,000 years old,
and that we are all the descendants of 2 individuals and their children.
you fail to see through metaphors and allegories, in that you are no different than a fundamentalist.
so many claims about different people in different parts of the world who are supposedly the offsprings of the lost tribes.. from Japan to the native Americans, to every one in between.
~
But let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them
This message has been edited by DesertBlue on Oct 29, 2006 8:14 AM
Ah, but the Quran though, that's different, right Zargon?
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
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