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On root of democracy/constitutionalism

October 19 2005 at 3:03 AM

  (Login Yue_Fei)
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I don't like the word democracy, I think "constitutionalism" is much more accurate to describe modern western nations. Constitutionalism stress the limitation of goverenment's authority by written documentation. But apart from that, what truly makes constitutionalism work is the general population's believe that liberty is a God given right to every body (Mornay)

So what do you WAFFer think about the foundation, the true source, the ultimate force that makes consitutionalism work? B/C a paper is a paper, it can't do sh!t.

"Men grow tired of singing, dancing, and laughing sooner than war" - Homer

 
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(Login BharatRakshak)
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Re: On root of democracy/constitutionalism

October 19 2005, 3:15 AM 

The power of the masses. No tyrant can rule forever. Yes, there is a tolerance level amongst the masses, which is what tyrants exploit. But in the end, a tyrant is just one person against a whole nation once that limit is breached. We saw that in the great Bolshevik Revolution when the Czar's soldiers even turned on him.
Power always lies with the people. The smart government recognizes that and attempts a compromise, which is setting a limit to its powers. And democracy is no recent thing. Greeks had it, ancient India had several republics. In India actually, no matter who was the central ruler, there was always a structure to power distribution. The people in a village would vote for 5 wise men/women elders to make decisions. That's called Panchayati system, on Gandhi's insistence, this system was constitutionally recognized by India post-47. The Panchayats of different villages answer to a higher Zilla Parishad which is the district administration. The Zilla Parishad advised/chose the Governor, and so on and so forth. In fact, the Mughals had a two-tier legislature, one was House of Elders and other was House of Commons. If you go to Old Delhi, you'll see them.

 
 


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Re: On root of democracy/constitutionalism

October 19 2005, 3:33 AM 

Yes the smart government, or should we say the leader? compromise and tolerance does not mean democracy, let along written law. The most importan aspect of constitutionalism is that the written law applies to every body on the believe that Liberty is a God given right to every one. Only this believe ensures equality, and only equality can make constitutionalism work. Voting alone is insufficient to make a constitutionalistic nation work. As we can see that Athens had it, I don't think many other Greek nations had it. Roman Republic later became an Empire.

"Men grow tired of singing, dancing, and laughing sooner than war" - Homer

 
 
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Re: On root of democracy/constitutionalism

October 19 2005, 4:43 AM 


Look at Switzerland and you will find the best democratic system on this Globe. With a combination of Direct democray and representative democracy !

By the way the Bolshevik revolution wasn`t great the tsar had already been toppled these evil commies just inserted another even more authoritarian system upon the poor people of Russia.


 
 

Anonymous
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Re: On root of democracy/constitutionalism

October 25 2005, 9:05 AM 

Is other thing Democracy and other thing "constitutionalism".
Constitutionalism could be a kingship or oligarchic regime etc. etc.
Democracy is two words DHMOS and CRATOS, means public state.

About "liberty is a God given right to every body" that's childish, i thing that
nothing is given to us, but all overcome by ourselves.

About the true source, the ultimate force that makes democracy ?
"consitutionalism" work.

Is the believe at the democracy theory - All man are equall etc. etc.
The respect to the others opinion and personality.

 
 
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