Hi,
Haven't seen "Rome" yet though I will as soon as it comes out on DVD as I don't have HBO. I recently saw the whole series of "I,Claudius" - the BBC production from the '70s with actors like Derek Jacobi and Patrick Stewart, and liked it alot. I've heard "Rome" is alot slicker, more dramatic, than "I,Claudius" -i.e. more of an "American"-style treatment, but I don't know yet without checking it out. "Claudius" was pretty good though and compellingly told the story of the Roman emperors from Caesar Augustus to Claudius.
I'm a big fan of the series and have been watching it every week. My only gripe is that they don't show enough of the battles. The series seems to focus only on the political intrigue of the Late Republic, while not really giving us much of a glimpse at the Roman military machine. Odd too, considering that the two main characters are soldiers.
I've watched up to Episode 9 and so far the only battle scene was one from the first episode. Neither Pharsalus, Thapsus or the battles in Egypt are portrayed.
Yeah, thats the biggest disappointment so far, no battles at all. Still, its a great series. All the episodes up to the ninth are available on the edonkey/overnet network.
Great series, absolutely fantastic. Yes, pity about the battles, but the acting quality is amazing. I can't remember the last time I felt so deeply sorry for a character like Pullo in the last episode... truly superb job from the actors
They dance tsifte-teli, sit on lounges, drink coffee & ouzo and eat feta, doner, dolmades, baklava, mezes, tzatziki, imam-baildi, souvlaki, moussakas etc.
The name "Rome" in Greek means "power," "force," "fighting army" and "speed tactics."
The name "Rome" derives from two the Greek verbs: 1) roomai which means "to move with speed or violence, to dart, rush, rush on, esp. of warriors."
The name "Rome" also derives from of the Greek passive verb: 2) ronnymi which means "to strengthen, make strong and mighty" and "to put forth strength, have strength or might.
And do you know what "ISTANBUL" means? It`s a greek one too
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:05 PM
Thanx for the info on the origins of the name Rome.
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They dance tsifte-teli, sit on lounges, drink coffee & ouzo and eat feta, doner, dolmades, baklava, mezes, tzatziki, imam-baildi, souvlaki, moussakas etc.
O.E., from O.Fr. Rome, from L. Roma, of uncertain origin. "The original Roma quadrata was the fortified enclosure on the Palatine hill," according to Tucker, who finds "no probability" in derivation from *sreu- "flow," and suggests the name is "most probably" from *urobsma (cf. urbs, robur) and otherwise, "but less likely" from *urosma "hill" (cf. Skt. varsman- "height, point," Lith. virsus "upper"). Another suggestion is that it is from Etruscan (cf. Rumon, former name of Tiber River). Common in proverbs, e.g. Rome was not buylt in one daye (1545), for when a man doth to Rome come, he must do as there is done (1599), All roads alike conduct to Rome (1806).
Yes my londobardian friend:))).Everything in longobardian propaganda that is greek from Italia is from unknown origin.And what you will say for real italians maybe and they are from unknown origin, sorry maybe longobardian.
Maybe you are a good man, but not a roman(italian greek) or maybe you are, but do not remember???
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:06 PM
Yes my londobardian friend:))).Everything in longobardian propaganda that is greek from Italia is from unknown origin.And what you will say for real italians maybe and they are from unknown origin, sorry maybe longobardian.
Maybe you are a good man, but not a roman(italian greek) or maybe you are, but do not remember???
It's kind of pathetic when some Greeks can get so pig-headed to the point where they need to claim another nation's history, and announce that anything that does not come from a Greek source or is in whole support of Greece is incorrect or "propaganda." Nextly, proceeding to call Italians Longobardian is idiotic, and inaccurate, considering that the Lombards were swallowed by the Franks, who took the kingdom by the request of the pope in Rome. You have your own history, it's a nice history, so you don't have to try to steal another country's in order to satisfy your imagination.
Secondly, you need to end your sick fascination of Italy being Greek. Guess what, I was born in Sicily, where there was a Greek presence, mingled with Italic elements in the area. Go down there today, you'll be laughed upon if you think anyone considers themselves Greek in any way shape or form. The Roman Empire, is our civilization. You have the Macedonian Empire, what more do you want? Gosh you're pathetic.
The blood is blood, the ideas are ideas. I admire your courage to prefer to call yourself barbarian instead of greek, because if you are really from Sicily you may have this honour. And about history I think is better to read what the romans said for themselfes in original texts.
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:07 PM This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Nov 20, 2005 10:10 PM
The blood is blood, the ideas are ideas. I admire your courage to prefer to call yourself barbarian instead of greek, because if you are really from Sicily you may have this honour. And about history I think is better to read what the romans said from themselfes in original texts.
Courage? Barbarian? Kind of funny since many Greeks were entirely Romanized and even accepted Roman citizenship. The Greeks even began calling themselves Romans, but then you call us barbarians? Remind me how that fits in with your concept! Now, on history, the Romans did not call themselves Greeks, they conquered the country. Actually, the Romans themselves readily called themselves Italians and embraced their Italian origin. If you read Virgil's Aeneid for example, one famous quote is:
“Let there be a race of Romans with the strength of Italian courage!”
A bit shocking, don't you think? Virgil here is directly calling the Romans a fusion of Italians. Even Cicero was quoted in saying that he had to fatherlands, his home town, and Rome, which were united. I think you've been reading too much from "Romanity."
Oh, Roma is the name of one city, not a race. And the greeks in Italia call themselves italians and the other peoples barbarians and you are right, every noble man in our empire was roman by citizenship and rome is in Italia(then italian too).And even the emperor go to bow to our common ancestors in Sardes(Ionia and Lydia). And Sicily heve very diferent histiry from Savoy brother.
This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:07 PM
Oh, Roma is the name of one city, not a race. And the greeks in Italia call themselves italians and the other peoples barbarians and you are right, every noble man in our empire was roman by citizenship and rome is in Italia(then italian too).And even the emperor go to bow to our common ancestors in Sardes(Ionia and Lydia). And Sicily heve very diferent histiry from Savoy brother.
At Virgil's time, the Romans were considered a race. And, can you translate the rest of your message? I did not understand it at all. (By the way, all of Italy is Italian, not just Rome. Be satisfied with Greece, don't try to steal Italy's history.)
"The blood is blood, the ideas are ideas. I admire your courage to prefer to call yourself barbarian instead of greek, because if you are really from Sicily you may have this honour. And about history I think is better to read what the romans said for themselfes in original texts."
I would notice if it is true greek one component is a large part of italian genoma the average shows italian most related nation in europe is portugal
from the average of genetic marks italians are tiny more related to danes than to greeks (Source: Cavalli-Sforza)
of course in the areas around the Messina Straits (Sicily and Calabria, or Kalavria if you prefere)the greek index is the highest, but not in the western Sicily
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Re: ROME
December 2 2005, 11:09 PM
In Turkish we call the overall greeks 'Rum' which come from roman...
It means that when Turks invaded greeks these ones were calling themselves Roman, it means that they adopted roman identity !!!!
Greeks are very strange people, they have a great estim of themselves as if they made the world !! for a greek everything is greek and if not it's barbarian !!!!
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Re: ROME
December 2 2005, 11:25 PM
"In Turkish we call the overall greeks 'Rum' which come from roman...
It means that when Turks invaded greeks these ones were calling themselves Roman, it means that they adopted roman identity !!!!"
Truly, there was an Eastern and an Western Roman Empire
westerns were "romani" easterners were "romei", in italian, and the eastern emperor was "the emperor of the Greeks" for westerners
"Greeks are very strange people, they have a great estim of themselves as if they made the world !! for a greek everything is greek and if not it's barbarian !!!!"
From Cato the Gallo-Roman revolutionaries realized that the Romans and Greeks were the same people. Now the overwhelming majority of Gallo-Romans were re-gaining control of the land occupied for so many centuries by a tyrannical Frankish minority of only 2% of the population. The enthusiasm for Greco-Roman antiquity and hatred for a Papal Christianity used by the Frankish conqueror to completely debase 85% of the population led even to making natural religion supreme over supernatural religion. In spite of Cato’s role in the French Revolution only fragments of his work are publicly known. But since Dionysius of Halicarnassus used the same annals as the aforementioned Roman historians one must use Dionysius to reconstruct these lost or hidden sources. Dionysius makes a clear distinction between Greek historians who do not use Roman annals and the Roman historians (and himself) who do. The trick used by some historians, who want to efface the Greek foundations of Roman history, is to mix the hearsay Greek tradition about Rome and the 3 Roman variations on the tradition about the founding of Rome found in their own hierais deltois, i.e. sacred tablets, which were evidently made of a hard material, and then to heap ridicule on the mixture they themselves create.
Only a short, but accurate summary account of the foundation annals are reported in Livy who takes for granted that Rome was founded as a Greek city and nation. Evidently this is so because he wrote his history in Latin, whereas the annals were evidently in Greek. Those who wrote in Greek simply copied what they read in Greek. It was the annalistic history of Hemina which laid the foundations for writing Roman history in Latin. Evidently, however, he and his imitators did not make full use of all the Greek texts, like speeches, at their disposal. Whereas those who wrote their histories in Greek simply copied the Greek texts directly from the annals. Since the primitive Romans were Greeks why should the official annals be in what we now call Latin. The primitive Latins and Romans were a mixture of Greek Arcadians, Trojans, Pelasgians and Lacedaemonian Sabines.
d) Linguistic indications of the background of the Greek Latins, Romans and Sabines.
Apart from the description which the Romans make about themselves, there are also linguistic indications which clearly point to the Greek reality of the ancient Latins, Romans and Sabines.
The claim that the name Rome e.g. is simply a place name, which may derive even from the Etruscans, is sheer nonsense.
The name "Rome" in Greek means "power," "force," "fighting army" and "speed tactics."
The name "Rome" derives from two the Greek verbs: 1) roomai which means "to move with speed or violence, to dart, rush, rush on, esp. of warriors."
The name "Rome" also derives from of the Greek passive verb: 2) ronnymi which means "to strengthen, make strong and mighty" and "to put forth strength, have strength or might.
The closest Latin equivalent verb is ruo, which is connected to the Greek verb reo meaning "to flow, run, to hasten." Of all the uses of Latin verbs both active and passive there is none that even comes close to meaning "rome."
Romans, Latins and Sabines were agreed that the name quiris (sing.) quiretes (pl.) would be their common name which dictionaries translate as citizen. But the Romans had a name for citizens, like the Greek, polites, i.e. civitas. But the names quiris-quiretes derive from the Greek name kouros-kouretes which means young men of fighting age and therefore warriors, "young men, esp. young warriors," Iliad 19. 193, 248. So the Romans, Latins and Sabines called themselves first "warriors" and later "citizens."
It is from the original military structure of the Roman army of quiretes that the first government was fashioned into thirty curiae of 1000 men each grouped into three tribes. .
Because all three groups of Romans, Latins and Sabines came to Italy by sea from Greece and Asia minor they were warrior sailors and sea faring peoples. It is obviously for this reason that at their weddings they shouted the Greek word Thalassios, sailor, at the groom and not the Latin name marinos.
Of the seven hills of Rome the Quirinal, the hill of Mars, was originally that of the Sabines. It was from here that the Roman warriors of Romulus stole their wives from. Quiris was not only the Sabine name for a spear, but also for their god of war. They called their god of war "The Warrior" in their Greek language and later Mars.
In the Roman tradition Romulus did not die, but ascended deified to heaven without leaving behind his body since he was or became the Quirinus, a or one of the god(s) of war.
These are some of the contexts within which the Romans thought and spoke about themselves. No historian has the right to change this. Now whether this version of Roman history is correct or not is entirely another matter. But it remains a fact, however, that the Romans themselves, the Latins themselves and the Sabines themselves believed and wanted to believe that they are Greeks. Not only this, the united Roman nation of Romans, Latins and Sabines, spoke their own common Greek Language.
Now some scholars may search for sources which may prove otherwise, i.e. for some reason the Romans who were not really Greeks came to believe that they are Greeks. So what? That would be like proving that a black American is not an American because he is black.
Each Roman gens sometimes was composed of several thousand Romans each one headed by a Patrician member of the senate. The members of gentis memorized their laws from childhood and kept their laws a secret among themselves. A form of an Italian language was that of their slaves and dependents which also evolved into the Latin dialect mixed with Greek. It was these non Greek speaking dependents of Rome who finally forced the Romans to reduce the laws to written form. It was because of the violent protests of their Italian dependents that the Romans produced a text of laws in primitive Latin in about 450 BC. The problem was serious because these dependents did not know the laws by which they were being punished by Roman magistrates. Faced with the revolt of these dependents the senate sent a delegation to Athens to search for a solution to the problem. The result was a set of 10 texts on bronze tables which finally became the "The Code of Twelve Tables." Table 11 forbade the marriage between members of the gentes and the rest of the population of Rome, in other words between those of Greek origin and those of non-Greek origin.
The origin of this problem was that for centuries the members of Greek colonies were being assimilated by the barbarians among whom they lived. This was solved by the position that the gentes had to remain a pure race so that the offerings of their priests to their gods may be heard and that the auspices be taken correctly and correct answers received from the gods when making decisions on legal, social and especially military matters. "The tribune of the Plebs, Gaius Canuleis, proposed a bill regarding the intermarriage of patricians and plebians which the patricians looked upon as involving the debasement of their blood and the subversion of the principles inhering in the gentes, or families and a suggestion, cautiously put forward at first by the tribunes, that it should be lawful for one of the consuls to be chosen from the plebs, was afterwards carried so far that nine tribunes proposed a bill giving the people power to choose consuls as they might see fit from either the plebs or the patricians…What tremendous schemes had Gaius Canuleis set on foot! He was aiming to contaminate the gentes and throw the auspices, both public and private into confusion, that nothing might be pure, nothing unpolluted; so that, when all distinctions had been obliterated, no man might recognize either himself or his kindred. For what else, they asked, was the object of promiscuous marriages, if not that plebeians and patricians might mingle together almost like the beasts?"
That the debate was not about the rights between rich and poor is shown by the following joke told by Gaius Canuleis in the same speech, "Why, pray, do you not introduce a law that there shall be no intermarrying between rich and poor"?
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:10 PM
I see you know modern italian history very well, but why don`t want to learn ancient one???
This can help you my longobardian brother:
Romans trace their origins to Aeneas, a Trojan who escaped the sack of Troy by fleeing to Italy. The son Aeneas, Iulius (commonly Julius) founded the city of Alba Longa establishing a monarchy. Two descendents of the Alba Longa Kings, the twin brothers Romulus and Remus, would go on to become the founders of Rome. Eventually the two brothers quarreled resulting in the murder of Remus, leaving Romulus as the first King of Rome. The traditional date of Romulus' sole reign and the subsequent founding of the city, April 21, 753 BC, is still celebrated with festivals and parades today.
Continuing development of the city was largely influenced by Rome's northern neighbors, the Etruscans. The Etruscans, threatened by the growing power and influence of the Latin city to their south, would soon supplant Romulus, and subsequent Latin Kings, with Kings of their own.
And by the way, do you know that "Italia" is a greek word and do you know what means?
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:10 PM
Hey longobardian brother can you tell me something about the Etruscans?What you think about this:
Hellanicus of Lesbos, Greek historian writing in the fifth century BC, mentioned a group of Pelasgians who arrived in Italy and there changed their name to Tyrrhenians.
Roman authors confirmed an eastern origin for the Etruscans. Virgil referred to the town of '. . . Cerveteri, built on an ancient rock where once the Lydians, a race distinguished in war, settled the hills of Tuscany.' And Seneca (who died in AD 65) stated that '. . . Asia claims the Etruscans as her own.' Tacitus (first to second centuries AD) accepted the story as told by Herodotus. Other tales also locate the Etruscans in Asia Minor, linking them with the Pelasgians; and refer to Tyrsenians or Tyrrhenians on the islands of Lemnos, Imbros and Lesbos, just off the Asian coast in the northern Aegean, and on Delos, the holy island in the centre of the Cyclades.
The Etruscans referred to themselves as Rasenna, but to the Romans and Greeks they were Etrusci, Tusci, Tyrrheni, or Tyrseni. To the modern Italians they are still Etrusci and the name of the Etruscan Sea is still the Tyrrhenian, after perhaps 3,000 years.
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:10 PM This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Dec 10, 2005 7:20 PM
According to Greek historian Herodotus (ca. 485-425 B.C.) Etruscans left Lydia (an ancient country in Asia Minor), because there was a bad famine. According to another Greek historian Thucydides (ca. 455-400 B.C.) some Etruscans still lived in Limnos (a Greek island close by the coast of Asia Minor) before Athenians conquered it in 510 B.C. This is a very interesting piece of information, because modern archaeologists have found Etruscan texts in Limnos which were written in 6th century B.C.
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:11 PM
You(longobardians) capture our Italia you change your name to italians and you think that the real italians are stupid and you can lie us for our history, but tell me, why your NORDIC LEAGUE hate us so much?
when you speak about longobards do you mean the inhabitants of Rome which unified th peninsula 2,300 years ago ?
sorry, they weren't "longobars", longobards were a different tiny germanic people of 80,000 individuals which entered in a 4,000,000 inhabitants strong italy 900 years later
I suppose if you say to present day Roman citizens they are longobards and supportes of Northern (not Nordic, you blundered) League they'll not be happy with you
and I do not thik former governor of Latium the post-fascist Mr Storace will like you
Herodotus just mentioned one of many theories. A new theory that's currently gaining strength is that the Etruscans were native Italians (and the migration theory doesn't make them Greek).
Troy was not considered a Greek city-state according to Virgil's Aeneid.
Italia is Greek for "land of the cattle."
But perhaps you are forgetting that Greece is Latin?
"land of the cattle"
is the translation for VITULES/VITULIA
but the most recent theories said it was intended from a greek dialect after
"land of the mountains/hills" with reference initially only to Calabria
the theory of the aboriginal origins of ethruscans is correct but it only says that nation was born there from the union of paleo-mediterraneans (?) aborigenes, indoeuropeans from the north (italics from villanovian culture) and an unknown little group from Asia Minor which introduced some asian techniques, but they wern't greeks or proto-greeks
if you kapa are so interested in "italiotes" or "greecians" see the map below the yellow areas
Rome is in the dark brown area, and there aren't any "longobards"
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Dec 10, 2005 10:23 PM
You are really poor longobardian, but do you know that from historical point of view YOU are the INVADER!!!You INVADE our lands and destroyed our Western Roman empire and in XIX century YOU INVADE again from your city-stronghold "Torino" and you dare to talk to us for our history???You are PATHETIC, but stupid just lake a BARBARIAN and you never will understand italian history, because You don`t have interest off. I remember,when You(barbarians) said that for You Tessaly, Macenonia, Epiros were barbarian lands.Now you RECOGNIZE that this was a fake.YOU have made progress,but maybe you need 300 years more to understand history science.
Hey AzzurroItalia,
you are clever one, but I think that you read longobardian propaganda too much.I can`t imagine that you can not know from where the name "greece" came!!!
Do you know something for the PATRIARCHS of our people- Elin and Grekos???
I think you don`t.Very very sad!!!
But I will tell you a story
One of the first greeks in Italia were the Beotians and they prefer the mythical hero Grekos And the Latins were greek too but they heve own mythical story.
I see you have more progress from the other longobardian This is good!!!
But don`t become proud, you have a lot of work to do
Hey AzzurroItalia,
you are clever one, but I think that you read longobardian propaganda too much.I can`t imagine that you can not know from where the name "greece" came!!!
This is so sad. Honestly, you should take a look at the Oxford English dictionary. The word "Greece" indeed originates from the Romans. Honestly, you are a rather sad character. Not satisfied with your own nation's history, and you feel you have to pick away at another country's. There is no "longobordian propaganda" - history testifies to the truth. The Romans are not Greeks, and not only will you never be able to prove that the Romans are Greeks, but I bet that it will torture you forever.
"Now I'll show you how an Italian dies!" - Fabrizio Quattrocchi
Anonymous (Login AyYildizli) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: ROME
December 11 2005, 2:12 PM
Romans are not greek, that's definitly true !!
But greeks can be said to be romans as we Turks call them Rum !!
The overall greeks are called Rum by Turks and the inhabitants of greece are called Yunan: I don't know exactly where it comes from ? perhaps from ion !!
But nowhere there the appellation of hellas. Only greeks call themselves hellas which is the term used for ancient greeks.
nowadays greeks don't understand that they have nothing to do with ancient greeks...
they have been romanized and turkified! they are a mix between romans and turks ! There culture, their averall being is nothing else a mixage between romans and turks !
They feel this fact as an inferiority complex so that they can't stop arguing that everything in world comes from greeks and that they are the pure descendants of ancient greeks !
Imagine there people have been ruled by romans more than 1000 years and 500 years by turks !! what an humiliation for them !!
Romans are not greek, that's definitly true !!
But greeks can be said to be romans as we Turks call them Rum !!
The overall greeks are called Rum by Turks and the inhabitants of greece are called Yunan: I don't know exactly where it comes from ? perhaps from ion !!
But nowhere there the appellation of hellas. Only greeks call themselves hellas which is the term used for ancient greeks.
nowadays greeks don't understand that they have nothing to do with ancient greeks...
they have been romanized and turkified! they are a mix between romans and turks ! There culture, their averall being is nothing else a mixage between romans and turks !
They feel this fact as an inferiority complex so that they can't stop arguing that everything in world comes from greeks and that they are the pure descendants of ancient greeks !
Imagine there people have been ruled by romans more than 1000 years and 500 years by turks !! what an humiliation for them !!
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the form "roman"/"romani" was for the inhabitants of the western roman empire
the easterners are more correctly "romei" or "romaioi"
greece had demographic problems yet from the death of Alexander the Great, and so imported masses of slaves from everywhere
during the barbarian invasions greeks survived only on the coastal areas
the Pindus was and is presently populated by Aromuns (vlachs or romanized "illiryans")
the area of Sparta by albanians, salonica by slavs
Epirus of course is a borfer area with albanians
there were too germans (goths)and turks/bulgars
later the byzantine government repopulated the coninental areas with speaking-greek armenians and syrians
5% of greeks look very european (north european too), 20% dark mediterranean/armenian and the rest is a mix IMO
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Dec 11, 2005 3:30 PM
The words Greece and Greeks are roman-latin from illyrian origin
There are actually a few theories behind the origin.
Greek: From Latin Graecus, Greek, from Greek Graikos, tribal name
Graikos were the first tribe of Greeks that the Romans came into contact with, hence the use for all Hellenes. Graecus therefore, is a Greek word that has been Latinised. Shame our Hellenic friends doesn't know this or didn't care to point this out.
Hey f****`s, you are really barbarians you are so stupid.
It seems you are the one caught out from this kapamonimos, since you should know barbarian means in Greek ANY FOREIGNER (or anyone really) who doesn't speak Greek, so in your eyes and everyone else we all are Barabarians yes, doesn't make us stupid cause we can't speak your language, but it makes you stupid for not knowing that little fact, or at least not pointing it out.
General talk about Romans and Greeks
A Hellene (pre-Ottoman Empire) has a right to call himself Roman, because it is they who carried on the legacy of the Roman Empire, under the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire was not the name given) and were infact citizens of Rome, therefore Roman. Like a Turk living in Germany, if he has citizenship he is German. Culturelly, no, a Greek is no more Roman then a Gaul was, though the most loyal Romans were barabrians (Roman terminoligy here) or so its said. A modern Greek however has about as much right to call himself Roman as a Aztec does, none at all. Why? Simply because there is nothing that links them to a citizenship of Rome now, while Italians have their culture, which if you go back in time started Rome in the first place. Greeks were just in on the ride when it came to Rome and being Roman, wonder why they didn't embrace being Ottoman as much??? Both times they were conquered, both times they were part of the Empire, but only once did they 'assimulate'...
Oh and if you Greeks say you are Roman to this day... then you are not linked to Hellenes, chose one or the other, you can't be two seperate peoples that live in two different sections of Europe, both technically extincted. Unlucky for you...
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First:
The ROMANs are the people of one greek city of many in Magna Greacia-Megali Ellada.
Second:
We have one culture-the GREEK one.And this culture was not only imported, but grow up, like in the other parts of our greek world.(In barbarian society, we only import).
Third:
Do you know something about so called "sea people"???And the first peoples in Italia???
Fourthly:
Can you imagine that ROMANs were people of just one city????And do you know what the roman historians said for there own history???Do you know better than them from the distant of time, OUR history???
Fifth:
Do you know the medieval history of Ilalia???If you are really interest of history why do not learn it???
Sixth:
We don`t need to choose (Roman or Greek identity), becouse it is the same.I know that You(the barbarians) never will understand this, just because you never have been real part of our empire, but you want so much to have ancient history that you wish to destroy the unity of our civilized world, just to have one...
Seventh:
Do you know something about longobardian invaders and something about real italians???
„Eight:
Why you can`t imagine connection between Greece and Italia???But are you englishman born "Down under"???
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This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:08 PM
First:
The ROMANs are the people of one greek city of many in Magna Greacia-Megali Ellada.
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Rome is too much northern too be in Magna Grecia
Anciet Rome was a country with a partial greek culture as many other civilized ones as carthage himself, were carthaginians and Hannibal greeks themselves too ?
well they got a lot of training from spartan experts
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Second:
We have one culture-the GREEK one.And this culture was not only imported, but grow up, like in the other parts of our greek world.(In barbarian society, we only import).
Third:
Do you know something about so called "sea people"???And the first peoples in Italia???
Fourthly:
Can you imagine that ROMANs were people of just one city????And do you know what the roman historians said for there own history???Do you know better than them from the distant of time, OUR history???
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"Rome made his citizens from his own slaves", Gregorius Namatianus (?, I do not remember)
Sixth:
We don`t need to choose (Roman or Greek identity), becouse it is the same.I know that You(the barbarians) never will understand this, just because you never have been real part of our empire, but you want so much to have ancient history that you wish to destroy the unity of our civilized world, just to have one...
Seventh:
Do you know something about longobardian invaders and something about real italians???
„Eight:
Why you can`t imagine connection between Greece and Italia???But are you englishman born "Down under"???
Ο ΤΟΛΜΩΝ ΝΙΚΑ
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I suppose our friend is a polish-new zealander
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Dec 13, 2005 9:59 PM This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Dec 13, 2005 9:58 PM This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Dec 13, 2005 9:52 PM
It seems you are the one caught out from this kapamonimos, since you should know barbarian means in Greek ANY FOREIGNER (or anyone really) who doesn't speak Greek, so in your eyes and everyone else we all are Barabarians yes, doesn't make us stupid cause we can't speak your language, but it makes you stupid for not knowing that little fact, or at least not pointing it out.
You still don't get it kapamonimos, Barbarian means someone who doesn't speak Greek, get over it, stop using Italian (Roman) terminology.
Seventh:
Do you know something about longobardian invaders and something about real italians???
The Visigoths invaded the Iberian penisula in greater numbers then the Lombards, and had as much effect on overall culture, only certain sections of the country that it encompassed. Lombards were well assimulated into overall Italian culture, so stop using that terminology. Its the same as Thrace being fully incorparated into Greece, Illyrian's were a seprate culture that was absorbed, same thing with Lombards.
Sixth:
We don`t need to choose (Roman or Greek identity), becouse it is the same.I know that You(the barbarians) never will understand this, just because you never have been real part of our empire, but you want so much to have ancient history that you wish to destroy the unity of our civilized world, just to have one...
Roman OR Greek identity, you have already ruined your own arguement by spliting it into two groups. Therefore, no, you are as Roman as a Frenchmen would be, but the French aren't ashamed of their history like the Greeks are it seems.
THe rest of your argument makes little sense to me, I know enough about Italian history to comment cofidently about, and I have a Greek friend who himself and I have talked a lot about Greek history. I managed to ruin your extremely chauvinistic point of veiw.
"Here be the Lion of the North. With him are the Polish Hussaria. Let the Turks flee back to their women" - Leopold I Habsburg
the dark green and the blue in the italian map is for venetians and venetics (Wenden in german, LOL), the white near the blue is for slovenians/rutenians (too wenden in german, I suppose, LOL)
You are lake the nigers in US. I don`t call you barbarian to insult you!!!
I only say the truth!!!But maybe you must ask the russians, are you really miserable barbarians!!!
Hi longobardian brother(lombardian if you prefer)
I`m not interest off your propadandian map. Only want to tell you again that you are pathetic.Why you can`t get the point???
And about your contry Torinia maybe one day will stop with her stupid propaganda and you will be free. Maybe than she will deserve to call herself-Italia 'the land of the italiotes'.
About our conversation, I think that is not in use to you, but hope to become useful to everyone with free mind and pure conscience, especially for my brothers in italian peninsula(the real italians).
Ο ΤΟΛΜΩΝ ΝΙΚΑ
This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:12 PM
I`m not interest off your propadandian map. Only want to tell you again that you are pathetic.Why you can`t get the point???
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aren't you interested in the meaning of different colors on the map ? LOL
And about your contry Torinia maybe one day will stop with her stupid propaganda and you will be free.
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TORINO, as the footbal club !!!!
from the latin AUGUSTA TAURINORUM or Augusta of the gauls Taurins (taurus/tavros)
Maybe than she will deserve to call herself-Italia 'the land of the italiotes'.
About our conversation, I think that is not in use to you, but hope to become useful to everyone with free mind and pure conscience, especially for my brothers in italian peninsula(the real italians)
You are lake the nigers in US. I don`t call you barbarian to insult you!!!
I only say the truth!!!But maybe you must ask the russians, are you really miserable barbarians!!!
If you haven't noticed, the word "******" in English terminology is a racist word, as is your above one - "Polak." They are both offensive and purposely derogatory, while "barbarian" was simply a term that meant "not Greek, not Roman." You have carried yourself out too far. It's a shame that someone who claims to defend and glorify Greek civilization has sunk to a barbaric state even the ancient Greeks were unfamiliar with.
Hi longobardian brother(lombardian if you prefer)
I`m not interest off your propadandian map. Only want to tell you again that you are pathetic.Why you can`t get the point???
And about your contry Torinia maybe one day will stop with her stupid propaganda and you will be free. Maybe than she will deserve to call herself-Italia 'the land of the italiotes'.
A bit amusing. Always referring to Italians as "Lombardians." If only you knew that the Lombards were a Germanic kingdom in northern Italy that was quickly Romanized. It didn't take long before their language was replaced by Latin and their culture was swapped with Roman traditions. Now, you reject all the maps that refute your claims. What does that mean? Why, simply that you refuse to accept the truth and are in desperate need of a history lesson. The sad thing is, you're attempting to connect Italy and Greece through Magna Graecian civilization. What you have failed to remember is that the 'Greeks' intermarried with the local inhabitants, and have combined various aspects of Italic culture with their own. In affect, it would be accurate to call it "Italiote" civilization - a mixture of Italic and Greek.
About our conversation, I think that is not in use to you, but hope to become useful to everyone with free mind and pure conscience, especially for my brothers in italian peninsula(the real italians).
Your brothers? You mean the ones that assimilated and intermarried and became Italians?
while watching Rome I come to a few interesting fact:
1) Ceaser was sleeping with Brutus wife. Is this a comman thing back then, coz in another HBO about a slave rabel. It was shown the the Roman guy have a mistres which is married to a another roman nobel.
2) It shows that Roman solder fight and rest, while another member get in front etc. Is this also true, coz no wonder they was so powerfull back then.
3) You got diffent type off brothel from cheap one too expensive more 1000 syling for octavian first time but not with a virgin.
4) Ceaser sister, octavian mother present brutus wife a slave with big doing doing ( I can't see the dodol coz it censure ). So you have wife swap, slave sex for both male and female. So how do you know who your father actual is.
Are this true or HBO ways making the story more interesting..
while watching Rome I come to a few interesting fact:
1) Ceaser was sleeping with Brutus wife. Is this a comman thing back then, coz in another HBO about a slave rabel. It was shown the the Roman guy have a mistres which is married to a another roman nobel.
Caesar was as notorious for his conquests in the bedroom as he was for his military conquests. He was a legendary womanizer, and had affairs with the wives of many of his political opponents. His soldiers even had marching songs about his romantic conquests.
Servilia was Brutus' mother, not his wife. She was also Cato's cousin, though that fact isn't brought up in the series.
2) It shows that Roman solder fight and rest, while another member get in front etc. Is this also true, coz no wonder they was so powerfull back then.
Yes, the Roman infantry fought in relays. The Centurions would blow a whistle every two minutes or so, and the men in the first rank would rotate to the back while the men in the next rank stepped forward.
3) You got diffent type off brothel from cheap one too expensive more 1000 syling for octavian first time but not with a virgin.
Yes, there were low end brothels for the poor and high end brothels for the wealthy.
4) Ceaser sister, octavian mother present brutus wife a slave with big doing doing ( I can't see the dodol coz it censure ). So you have wife swap, slave sex for both male and female. So how do you know who your father actual is.
A lot of dramatic license has been taken by the series with the character of Atia.(who is Caesar's niece, not his sister) Historically Atia was actually considered to be a very proper Roman matron, not the scheming and promiscuous woman she is portrayed as in the series. The historical Atia would have more closely resembled Pompey's wife in the series. (as far as her personality & bearing)
Are this true or HBO ways making the story more interesting...
A little bit of both. Rome is very historically accurate in many regards, but they've also taken some creative license.
I'm a big fan of the ancient greek mythology and big admirer of greek civilization.
As for modern Greek, i have to say i know nothing. After watching the closing ceremony of 2004 Olympic game, i got the illusion that it was not Greek, but turkey, which hosted the game.
After watching the closing ceremony of 2004 Olympic game, i got the illusion that it was not Greek, but turkey, which hosted the game.
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What do you mean?
Some specific?
Ο ΤΟΛΜΩΝ ΝΙΚΑ
This message has been edited by kapamonimos on Jan 9, 2007 9:09 PM
Massive statue of Marcus Aurelius gets home after 26 years
(ANSA) - Rome, December 22 - A renowned statue of Marcus Aurelius, considered a symbol of Rome, has found a permanent home after 26 years of wandering .
The massive equestrian bronze on Thursday will officially take up residency in a special glassed-in section of the Villa Caffarelli gardens on the Campidoglio Hill, designed by the architect Carlo Aymonino .
"Aymonino's project beautifully blends both old and new, creating a stunning sight for everyone," said Rome Mayor Walter Veltroni, at the opening ceremony .
The statue was removed from its longstanding place of honour at the centre of Michelangelo's Campidoglio Square following an attack in 1979. Combined with the effects of pollution, this convinced authorities that the national treasure would need a more permanent form of protection .
A nine-year restoration returned it to its former condition but it was decided to replace the original with a perfect bronze replica .
The original was moved to the Capitoline Museums, just a few steps away from Campidoglio Square, as a temporary measure in 1990 .
There was initial uncertainty over where it should be placed, and for a while, authorities considered using both the original and the replica in the square in alternating shifts .
But in the mid-1990s, Rome city council decided to extend the Capitoline Museums, which house many of Rome's treasured antiquities, by glassing in the neighbouring garden .
"This investment is helping make the Capitoline Museums lovelier than they've ever been before," remarked Veltroni, explaining that the new section extends the museum space by a third to 11,000 metres .
As well as providing a home for the statue, which is housed in a climate-controlled, bright and airy central room, the construction produced a surprise bonus: the discovery of the remains of an enormous temple dedicated to Jupiter, dating back to the 6th century AD .
The careful excavation work, which considerably lengthened the planned construction times, has revealed that the temple was built at the order of Rome's fifth king, Tarquinius Priscus (617-579 BC) .
In ancient times, the Romans would carry out rituals at the temple before setting off on wars. This was also where triumphal processions concluded .
At the presentation of his work, Aymonino explained that he had modified his original design for the glass room to include a seven-metre stretch of the temple's original wall .
In its heyday, the temple walls stretched for 60 metres by 52 metres, and housed sanctuaries for Jupiter, Juno and Minerva .
The statue, which dates back to the latter part of Marcus Aurelius's reign (161-180 AD) is considered particularly valuable as it is the only large bronze work to survive from this period .
Archaeologists believe it was spared during the Middle Ages as it was mistakenly thought to represent the Christian emperor, Constantine .
Marcus Aurelius Antonius (121-180 AD) came to the throne in 161 AD and was the last of the 'five good emperors' in the two-century period of Roman peace. He was also a stoic philosopher and is remembered for his work written in Greek 'Meditations' .
When Marcus Aurelius died of the plague in 180 AD, the throne was handed over to his son Commodus .
To tell you the truth I didn't like it, frankly I only saw one episode but that was enough to put me off. It takes too many historical liberties (what's with Cato being played by a Geezer, and Cicero a 30 year old?).
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To tell you the truth I didn't like it, frankly I only saw one episode but that was enough to put me off. It takes too many historical liberties (what's with Cato being played by a Geezer, and Cicero a 30 year old?).
They're already forseeing its cancellation. They lost over four million viewers already...
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
(ANSA) - Agrigento, January 17 - Archaeologists working in Sicily's Valley of the Temples have found traces of a settlement thought to pre-date the famous Greek temples built there in around 600 BC .
The valley near Agrigento on Sicily's southern coast is one of Europe's most important archeological sites. It marks a sacred area built when Greeks landed there to start the civilisation of Magna Grecia in southern Italy .
The discovery of a structure possibly built before the Greeks arrived came during preparatory work ahead of a project to shore up the ground near the Temple of Hera. Archaeologists uncovered a mysterious walled structure on top of which ancient Greeks had apparently built a shrine and a burial ground .
Until now it has been thought that Agrigento was settled by the Greeks soon after they began starting colonies in much of the Mediterranean in the 7th century BC .
"It has not yet been possible to establish precisely when these remains date back to," cautioned Pietro Meli, head of the agency which administrates the Valley of the Temples archaeological park .
Meli said fixing a date would be possible if and when archaeologists found pieces of clay vessels or ceramics, which would provide clear evidence .
He noted that the settlement appeared to have been built along the line of the ancient road to Gela, a town about 70 km southeast of Agrigento .
Several finds dating back to ancient Greek and early Christian times were also made recently. Experts found what appeared to be a Christian burial ground and an earlier Greek temple, digging up small statues, incense holders and lanterns .
There are eight temples, most of them well-preserved, in the Valley of the Temples. In the 5th century BC, at the height of Agrigento's power and wealth, there are said to have been 21 temples there .
"I'm sure there's still a lot waiting to be discovered," Meli said .
The present site, which draws thousands of tourists a year, was placed on the UNESCO World Heritage List in 1997 .
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
I hope, now longobardian historians will have the opportunity to learn more about the proto-greek tribe of Sikani!!!Maybe after this we will have more truth in italian schools and less propaganda!!!
I hope, now longobardian historians will have the opportunity to learn more about the proto-greek tribe of Sikani!!!Maybe after this we will have more truth in italian schools and less propaganda!!!
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch
maybe longobardian.
LOL
Alessia Marcuzzi 
Brigata "Folgore" 