I am not boasting. Neither am I trying to flame anyone. I am simply pointing out a plain fact.

Why? The answer is simple: our civilization survived and we are probably the only continuous civilization on the planet now.

Lol, this should be fun.
Let me start, I wanna dispute the "only continuous civilization on the planet now" statement

1) Goto google
2) search "oldest continuous civilization"
3) read summary on first page:

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Just by looking at the top 10 google summary, you get:
7: affirmation for China
3: ambiguous


Indian civilization has countless achievements, you gave us buddhism for christ sake, why base your argument on continuity?


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#1 way to ascertain that you've lost an argument: Resorting to personal attacks.

Almost all of your civilisation lies in Pakistan LOL.

Mohenjodaro, Harappa, Chanu-daro, Taxila etc etc.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Thats because at that time the artificial entity called "pakistan" was part of Indian civilization dumbass.lol!

Well that proves how GREAT your civilisation really is.

Your heritage is under foreign control LOL.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

wudi,

These are also google searches.....

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Well that proves how GREAT your civilisation really is.

"Your heritage is under foreign control LOL."

Our land is under foreign control,not our heritage dumbass !

@AryanArya, did you use "oldest continuous civilization" as the google search term or something else like "oldest continuous civilization india"? I can't seem to get the results to list those as the top 10.


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Arya Chutiya,

Heritage ka matlab jaante ho?

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

When two bigboys are talking,slaves dont interfere !
understood dickhead!

wudi,

Setting aside the absurdity of taking "google searches" as evidence of which civilization is continuous etc,if that is the case than India has much better chances than china.go to google and type "India continuous civilization".you will get the results.

LOL @ BigBoy!

Chotu, go find the the meaning of HERITAGE.

Saala Aryan ko apni zubaan nahi bolni athi!

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

How the hell can Indian civilisation be continous when most of its HERITAGE isnt in India.

Your civilisation finshed the day Islam entered the subcontinent.

Could someone please get it into this idiots head?



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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

I want this thread to be clean.I dont want any flame wars here.

To you paki,let me be more specific.It seems you are not understanding.when i am talking to your chinese masters,you paki slaves should not interfere.got it froggy!

Hey paki listen,

India is called continuous civilization precisely because even after muslim barbarian attacks and white imperialism,India survived with its culture intact.

Now who is the one who coined that word "paki dumbass"

India survived with its culture intact?

Your nation is in pieces.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Dont worry, we will unify it sooner

You Pakis need to first consider whether you are Muslims yourselves or Hindus with a terrible inferiority complex to Middle Eastern people. To Arab Wahabis, your prostration in front of Sufi tombs is just as kufr as Hindus worshipping Maa Durga idol. Hell, you guys have just as bad caste system as parts of rural India.

So you see, Vedanta lives on in Vahdat!! Don't worry Madhusheer bhai, read up on this Kalki Autar stuff. Islam will integrate into Hindu pantheon just like Buddha did. Not far away from now, your descendants will be singing Vandemataram and giving puja and incense to a statue of Shri Paygambar Muhammad whose traditional pose will be a swastika.

Setting aside the absurdity of taking "google searches" as evidence of which civilization is continuous etc,if that is the case than India has much better chances than china.go to google and type "India continuous civilization".you will get the results.

You sure about that. People today are moving away from libraries and using search engines for research, so I don't see why using a search engine is absurd. It's not only more efficient but often times more accurate for less-specialized topics. Articles from periodicals can be biased and the breadth of coverage in a library is limited physically. However, search engines index knowledge from around the world. For example, wikipedia have been found to be more accurate than traditional encyclopedia.

If you want academic papers, just go to http://scholar.google.com/ and search "oldest continuous civilization". The accept view by historians is that continuity belongs to China (ofcourse Indus Valley civilization was earlier)

Regardless, if your criteria for oldest continuous civilization is based on the view that the Indus Valley Civilization to the modern Indian state was continuous, then by that definition, Egypt is the oldest continuous civilization, surpassing both China and India by several centuries.



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The problem with search engines is its based more on clicks,rather than knowledge.The more you click on a topic,the more forefront it comes on the front page.On the other hand,the problem with wikpedia is that even though it provides good knowledge,there is a very good possibility that its not accurate one.Because anybody in wikpedia can go anytime and change the information anyway he wants.While i am in no way,discarding these two knowledge givers,we got to understand that there are limitations to them and certainly not gospel truths.

Eqypt could have qualified for a continuous civilization,if they follow the same culture and heritage of their pharoah days.today nobody in eqypt gives a damn about their glorious culture other than for commercial tourism purposes.On the other hand we Indians practise the same culture and cherish the same herit6age as in Indus days.

The problem with search engines is its based more on clicks,rather than knowledge.The more you click on a topic,the more forefront it comes on the front page.On the other hand,the problem with wikpedia is that even though it provides good knowledge,there is a very good possibility that its not accurate one.Because anybody in wikpedia can go anytime and change the information anyway he wants.While i am in no way,discarding these two knowledge givers,we got to understand that there are limitations to them and certainly not gospel truths.

Fair enough. Although google's page rank algorithm is not click-based, it's based more of a link flow model where pages with more incoming links get ranked higher and reputable sites are given higher priority. Not perfect, but pretty darn good.


Eqypt could have qualified for a continuous civilization,if they follow the same culture and heritage of their pharoah days.today nobody in eqypt gives a damn about their glorious culture other than for commercial tourism purposes.On the other hand we Indians practise the same culture and cherish the same herit6age as in Indus days.

Well, that argument goes both ways, I mean people today can't decipher Indus civilization's written script, so obviously the language wasn't preserved.


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Babumoshai rona naai!

Despite being a fan of Sufi music you seem to know very little about Sufism.

It is far from being a subcontinent only affair, their are millions of Sufis in Central Asia, North Africa and yes even the Middle East itself.

Iraq was the birthplace of Sufism and the shrine of one of the greatest Sufis of all Piraan-e-Pir Dastagir Abdul Qadir Gilani is in Baghdad.

As for the Indus valley returning to the fold of Maa Bharat, he was a delinquent child who grew up to shun his elitist and xenophobic mother, but with good reason as a more attractive culture influenced him.

Alongside the golden statue of Shiv Mahadev in Multan stood a Magian Zoroastrian temple where an eternal flame burned to honor Ahura Mazda. Amongst the Buddhist monasteries of Taxila their was a Temple to the Greek Gods of far away Mt.Olympus where a sacred spring flowed and an oracle of Apollo was sought out much like distant Delphi.

Islam only cemented these ties that the Indus Valley had to the West and cement is a very potent adhesive. It will take a powerful explosion to break it away.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

"Well, that argument goes both ways, I mean people today can't decipher Indus civilization's written script, so obviously the language wasn't preserved."

language is not the sole cutodian of culture.People in India have no knowledge of pali language either,but does not mean that pali has no Indian connection.But the way Indus script has been decifered,but its has not been exposed because of political reasons.

The Deciphered Indus Script:
Methodology, Readings, Interpretations
by Natwar Jha and N. S. Rajaram

http://www.indiastar.com/wallia27.htm

To all who think the Indus Valley Civilization is in Pakistan: Please, stop being idiots, and just go to Wikipedia and read.

Look at the maps. Most sites are on the Ghaggar-Hakra river. Amongst all of the major Cities, Lothal, Kalibangan, Rupar, are all located in India. Most of the seals are recovered from India too, so please dont try and claim Indian culture. You guys are Indian whether you like it or not.





Hey AryanArya - a side note. Your Swastika is inverted!! I hope you know that it is inauspicous to have the inverted swastika. It has to be right facing all the times. Like these Indus seals:





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17th century India, The Masters of the Oceans...

"As for the Indus valley returning to the fold of Maa Bharat, he was a delinquent child who grew up to shun his elitist and xenophobic mother, but with good reason as a more attractive culture influenced him."

Whether the pakistanis want to return to Maa Bharat is upto them, but using false history to support your separatist sentiments is the hallmark of pakistanis.islam came to Indian subcontinent through sword.plain and simple.all this thing about "attaractive culture" and "xenophobic mother" is bull crap useful for only paki self satisfaction.


"Islam only cemented these ties that the Indus Valley had to the West and cement is a very potent adhesive. It will take a powerful explosion to break it away."

Let me expalin further about this "cemented ties".pakistani the always loyal lap dog of a lesser muslim has always wagged his tail in agreement with whatever the true muslims the arabs have commanded the faithful to do.a
pakistani probably will stand attention even if the arab was cursing
at him in arabic.after all arabic is the holy language of the muslims.this lack of confidence, and the ever present inferiority complex of the pakistani is presisely because of the "cemented ties" cemented by islam.and yes as you have said it will take a powerful explosion to break it away.

The main cities of Indus valley civilisation are in Pakistan. After all the Indus river runs through Pakistan.

Mohenjodaro and Harappa.

Heck the Indus Valley civilisation is most often known an Harappan civilisation.

What an Idiot you are Darkness.

This pic is from www.india-history.com LOL.



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language is not the sole cutodian of culture.People in India have no knowledge of pali language either,but does not mean that pali has no Indian connection.But the way Indus script has been decifered,but its has not been exposed because of political reasons.

By deciphering I actually meant common people can still use or understand the text.

Language alone doesn't define a civilization, but any definition of civilization (the complex society sense of the word, not band of tribes) include writing language as a component. So preserving its use is certainly more indicative of the continuity of that civilization.

My understanding was that after the fall of the Indus valley civilization, only elements of its culture was passed on. Thus, modern India should be interpreted as an extension not a continuation of the earlier civilization. But, I'm obviously no expert, just an opinion.


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"Language alone doesn't define a civilization, but any definition of civilization (the complex society sense of the word, not band of tribes) include writing language as a component. So preserving its use is certainly more indicative of the continuity of that civilization."

While language is an important component of a civilization,its not THE necessary component.Many vedas used by Hindus are passed on orally from generation to generation even though their written components are lost long time back.But that does not mean that Hinduism is not old.One of the central features of Hinduism,namely the worship of Mother godesses and female divinities started from Indus valley times.


"My understanding was that after the fall of the Indus valley civilization, only elements of its culture was passed on. Thus, modern India should be interpreted as an extension not a continuation of the earlier civilization. But, I'm obviously no expert, just an opinion."

When we say that Indus valley fell.it does not mean that it died out.It only means that people got dispersed into different parts of India and merged with them.But this "diffrent parts of India" also have the same culture as the Indus valley,so there is no question of extension of earliar civilization,but the continuation of an exixting civilization.

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When we say that Indus valley fell.it does not mean that it died out.It only means that people got dispersed into different parts of India and merged with them.But this "diffrent parts of India" also have the same culture as the Indus valley,so there is no question of extension of earliar civilization,but the continuation of an exixting civilization.

So how do you view the Indo-Aryan migration that displaced the original Indus Valley Civilization? Didn't the original inhabitants get assimilated, while the Aryans brought their own language and integrated elements of the Indus civilization into the culture?


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"So how do you view the Indo-Aryan migration that displaced the original Indus Vahlley Civilization? Didn't the original inhabitants get assimilated, while the Aryans brought their own language and integrated elements of the Indus civilization into the culture? "

This aryan migration myth is the 19th century myth propogated by white imperialists to subjugate India.The Indus valley culture was pronounced pre-Aryans for several reasons that were largely part of the cultural milieu of nineteenth century European thinking.As white scholars had decided that the Aryans came into India around 1500 BC, since the Indus valley culture was earlier than this, they concluded that it had to be preAryan. Yet the rationale behind the late date for the Vedic culture given by white impereialist scholars was totally speculative. many of the white scholars of that era, believed in Biblical chronology. This placed the beginning of the world at 400 BC and the flood around 2500 BC. Assuming to those two dates, it became difficult to get the Aryans in India before 1500 BC.Thats how this aryan migration myth started.

Now, in an important book titled "The Real Eve: Modern Man's Journey out of Africa" (New York: Carroll and Graf Publishers, 2003), the prominent Oxford University scholar Stephen Oppenheimer has synthesised the available genetic evidence together with climatology and archaeology with conclusions which have bearing on the debate about the early population of India.

Much of Oppenheimer's theory is based on recent advances in studies of mitochondrial DNA, inherited through the mother, and Y chromosomes, inherited by males from the father. Oppenheimer makes the case that whereas Africa is the cradle of all mankind; India is the cradle of all non-African peoples. Man left Africa approximately 90,000 years ago, heading east along the Indian Ocean, and established settlements in India. It was only during a break in glacial activity 50,000 years ago, when deserts turned into grasslands, that people left India and headed northwest into the Russian steppes and on into Eastern Europe, as well as northeast through China and over the now submerged Bering Strait into the Americas.

Oppenheimer argues that the Eurocentric view of ancient history is also incorrect. For example, Europeans didn't invent art, because the Australian aborigines developed their own unique artistic culture in complete isolation. Indian rock art is also extremely ancient, going back to over 40,000 BC, so perhaps art as a part of culture had arisen in Africa itself. Similarly, agriculture didn't arise in the Fertile Crescent; India has already domesticated many plants by that time.

Oppenheimer concludes with two conclusions: 'First, that the Europeans' genetic homeland was originally in Indian subcontinent over 50,000 years ago; and second, that the Europeans' ancestors followed at least two widely separated routes to arrive, ultimately, in the same cold but rich garden. The earliest of these routes was the Fertile Crescent. The second early route from South Asia to Europe may have been up the Indus into Kashmir and on to Central Asia, where perhaps more than 40,000 years ago hunters first started bringing down game as large as mammoths.'

This synthesis of genetic evidence makes it possible to understand the divide between the north and the south Indian languages. It appears that the Dravidian languages are more ancient, and the Aryan languages evolved in India over thousands of years before migrations took them to central Asia and westward to Europe. The proto-Dravidian languages had also, through the ocean route, reached northeast Asia, explaining the connections between the Dravidian family and the Korean and the Japanese.

for more details please go through this site http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/

@AryanArya

You can't be serious. The entire Indus Valley civilization was not even known to have existed until the city was excavated in Harappa in 1920. It was a lost civilization where no recorded information on that civilization even existed before then, no?

I can't see how its possible to not know about the existence of an entire civilization, suddenly discover its buried existence in 1920, speculate on its unknown language and culture, then claim that India is a continuation of that civilization all along when it was lost for thousands of years.

Contrast this with the Xia Dynasty in China that began in 2200 B.C. where imperial records were held throughout history with detailed description of that dynasty, down to the detail of the names of the 17 emperors that ruled.

If we are talking about age, the Indus civilization wins, but we are talking about continuity right?


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"The entire Indus Valley civilization was not even known to have existed until the city was excavated in Harappa in 1920. It was a lost civilization where no recorded information on that civilization even existed before then, no?"

Its not a "lost" civilization.its a small part of an existing civilization which eventually got submerged into the mother civilization.The fact that there is no recorded info does not mean that its a lost civilization.The presence of Hinduism today is itself a testimony to the continuous presence of Indus culture since many elements of Hinduism are derived from Indus culture.

"I can't see how its possible to not know about the existence of an entire civilization, suddenly discover its buried existence in 1920, speculate on its unknown language and culture, then claim that India is a continuation of that civilization all along when it was lost for thousands of years."

Its perfectly possible as the examaple of vedas proved.


"Contrast this with the Xia Dynasty in China that began in 2200 B.C. where imperial records were held throughout history with detailed description of that dynasty, down to the detail of the names of the 17 emperors that ruled."

as i posted in my earliar posts,the non presence of records does not mean that a civilization is lost.there are other ways as the Indian civilization has proved to preserve ur culture and heritage perfectly.

"If we are talking about age, the Indus civilization wins, but we are talking about continuity right?"

right.My point is that Indian culture nor the heritage did not change a bit from the Indus times,thus qualifying for a continuous civilization title.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. To me, a connection is lost with an earlier civilization when knowledge of its language and its very existence is lost and then "rediscovered."

Anyways, that was a good discussion


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According to the definition you guys give to "older civilization", then the ants are the oldest one.


HAVE FUN !!!

Aryan Arya,

I only refered to Islam in the first few and last paragraphs of my rather well written historical crtique of the region that has become Pakistan.

And my firend I know more about Indian history (from all aspects, even the revisionist Hindutva crap you might read) than you will ever know.

It was aimed at a more enlightened Indian WAFFER, Bharat Babumoshai, and not you, so please do not talk about that which you do not understand.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

hey,AryanArya loser,why you lied again at here?just show us the pics of subways at all india cities and towns as you lied before.Indian Civilization is the greatest ancient civilization ?lol,when it's conquered by arab people,it has died already,not to mention the several centuries rule of britain people.it's so funny that you lied here shameless,lol.

"I only refered to Islam in the first few and last paragraphs of my rather well written historical crtique of the region that has become Pakistan."

Did not get ur point.What "cretique" are you talking about.From what i read from ur post you talked about ur "exalting culture" and compared with ur "xenophobic mother".I did not see ant cretique of pakistan there.Or am i reading too much into this?

"And my firend I know more about Indian history (from all aspects, even the revisionist Hindutva crap you might read) than you will ever know."

Good for you.keep on enlightening us ignorants with your esteemed knowledge including your expertise in revisionist Hindutva crap.

"It was aimed at a more enlightened Indian WAFFER, Bharat Babumoshai, and not you, so please do not talk about that which you do not understand."

well then why dont you with ur esteemed knowledge of Indian history make me understand.

"hey,AryanArya loser,why you lied again at here?just show us the pics of subways at all india cities and towns as you lied before.Indian Civilization is the greatest ancient civilization ?lol,when it's conquered by arab people,it has died already,not to mention the several centuries rule of britain people.it's so funny that you lied here shameless,lol."


Here comes my personel ass licker

lol,liar,you can show the pic that you kiss your master's ass,that will be fine.but in this thread,you lied shamelessly again,lol.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL Wait A MOMMENT...hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahha

India continue? Continue what? Continue burning women that can't produce little animal like you? LOL

Like I say before dumb little monkey boy, You are a dumbass...Every post you show your little tard ass in, you only know how to open your mouth without any facts. Example, Look at how you start this thread. WHERE THE LINK AND FACTS YOU GET ALL THIS SHI*T AT? it is in your ass? Cause I can't see it. LOL LOL

Look at the other post, I show you with link and fact why India is a dead civilization and you use personal unreliable link to counter my. lol what a little retard. LOL LOL Where is the train in every Indian town now tard? Where!? lOL LOL


You got to be the dumbest BLACK FUC*K EVER. lol


You see when you put the word india in wikipedia, it show modern India. You got that dumbass. When you put china you see the ancient civilization continue to modern day. LOL LOL

Example here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>

and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China>




Here where it say your shi*tty animal civilization die....


""""The Indus Valley Civilization (3300–1700 BCE) was an ancient civilization thriving along the Indus River and the Ghaggar-Hakra River in what is now Pakistan and Northern India. Among other names for this civilization is the Harappan Civilization, in reference to its first excavated city of
Harappa.""""


Got that dumbass? it end in 1700 BCE!!! Do you need me to tattoo it up your dumbass face so you can understand? LOL LOL LOL lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization>



Continue my ass, as a matter of facts..You was never united before, so you don't even have a country back then. Until the white men come and set up your congress. Learn your slave history, slave boy! LOL

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Listen yellow jack, go through the posts,then open ur **** mouth.I dont want to repeat the same things again and again.Indian civilization anytime is better than ur dead yellow **** civilization.

Listen yellow jack, go through the posts,then open ur **** mouth.I dont want to repeat the same things again and again.Indian civilization anytime is better than ur dead yellow **** civilization.
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i did dumb little black fuc*k...LOL


Go to wikipedia dumbass, not one of your personal family reunion jack off site...Where did it say you contines? LOL it is in one of you retarded Indiadaily agian? India the superpower!!!LOL LOL LOL God you guy got to be the dumbest sub-human animal alive...LOL LOL

How is india civilization better? did they invented the four greatest invention? NO!!! But your civilization in up being raped like a little black dog like you are..LOL LOL If you can't respond to my post, just go burn your sister or your mom, just go do your black monkey tradition and leave this to the big boy...LOL LOL

Let me post the same crap agian so you can see...LOL




""""The Indus Valley Civilization (3300–1700 BCE) was an ancient civilization thriving along the Indus River and the Ghaggar-Hakra River in what is now Pakistan and Northern India. Among other names for this civilization is the Harappan Civilization, in reference to its first excavated city of
Harappa.""""


LOOK DUMB-BLACK FUC*K!!!!!! it end in 1700 BCE!!! lol lol GO CRY LITTLE BLACK BOY........it end!!!!LOL LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

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look yellow dickhead.do u ever read posts or just shoot ur yellow **** just like that.go through the previous posts where we discussed about ur wikpedia yellow dumbass!

look yellow dickhead.do u ever read posts or just shoot ur yellow **** just like that.go through the previous posts where we discussed about ur wikpedia yellow dumbass!

look yellow dickhead.do u ever read posts or just shoot ur yellow **** just like that.go through the previous posts where we discussed about ur wikpedia yellow dumbass!

look yellow dickhead.do u ever read posts or just shoot ur yellow **** just like that.go through the previous posts where we discussed about ur wikpedia yellow dumbass!

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Mad agian little Blacky?? LOL LOL LOL

What wrong with wikipedia? I know nothing is better than your Indiadaily, Hindu Time, and Monkey Post. The only site a dumbass like you in up showing is from google personal jacking up site. Where they get their fact from? Indiadaily? LOL LOL dumbass, i can find any western reliable site and it show the same facts.. Why don't you go to discovery channel, type in India civilization dumb fuc*k. It is the same information as Wikipedia Blacky? yes? LOL LOL

like i say before little black fuc*k, you a dumbass. LOL LOL

Look at you can't even respond properly.. ARe you jacking off in one hand? LOL LOL Just go burn your mom little Blacky, leave this to your formal master. LOL LOL LOL LOL




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Almost all of your civilisation lies in Pakistan LOL.

Mohenjodaro, Harappa, Chanu-daro, Taxila etc etc.

This fact cannot be ignored. These are places in Pakistan. So they cannot be called Indian under today's terminology. They are Pakistani.

In the old days, they were Mohenjodaro, Harappa, Chanu-daro and Taxila, not India. So the civilization is not continuous.

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Love is a Big Fat Cuddly Panda

You can argue with a person who knows nothing.You can argue with a person who knows everything.But you cannot argue with a person who knows something and assumes that he knows everything.

- ArthaShastra


Yellow chinese dont want to beleive anything positive about India.So no point in repeating the same things again and again.

You can argue with a person who knows nothing.You can argue with a person who knows everything.But you cannot argue with a person who knows something and assumes that he knows everything.

- ArthaShastra


Yellow chinese dont want to beleive anything positive about India.So no point in repeating the same things again and again.

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LOL LOL

Drakness can't respond to my little post? Did little dumb Blacky go to discovery channel yet? It hurt doesn't it? LOL

Why you use the same crappy sentence over agian and agian? Monkey brain can only think to this level, huh? It hurt your little brain? so sad...LOL LOL

Just go back pressuring yourself and your mom, leave this alone like i say Blacky...LOL LOL LOL




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lol,liar,is there any postive things about india?lol.you liar boasted here which is against the world known fact,then said we need to believe you shameless liar,lol.you first need to show the pic of subways in all cities and towns at india as you boasted before,then you can boast other BS here,lol.oh btw,how's your feeling of living in the dickhead of asia?

"You can argue with a person who knows nothing.You can argue with a person who knows everything.But you cannot argue with a person who knows something and assumes that he knows everything."

lol,liar,yep,we can argue with you loser because you know nothing acatually,or you are just lying here as you did before.

Quote: "While language is an important component of a civilization,its not THE necessary component."

Written Language, Metallurgy, and Urbanization, 3 necessary elements of civilization.

Indians have nothing but big mouths. They can talk the sun into orbiting the earth. But they cannot do ****.


"When China awakes, the world will tremble."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte

yellows come after sometime,i am in no mood for a flame war now.

lol,loser,what mood are you in right now?

Quote: The main cities of Indus valley civilisation are in Pakistan. After all the Indus river runs through Pakistan. Mohenjodaro and Harappa. Heck the Indus Valley civilisation is most often known an Harappan civilisation. What an Idiot you are Darkness. This pic is from www.india-history.com LOL.

My dumb Paki,

There are more than 1400 Indus stes discovered till date. Out of them, Harrappa was the first major city, and Mohenjo Daro was the second major city. Since they were excavated a lot earlier, we have a lot more info on them than others. There are several Major Indus cities in India like Lothal, Dholavira, Rakhigari, Kalibangan, Banawali, etc.

Please read my previous post, and see the maps I have posted.

Besides that, what other claim do you have? Pakistan may not be a part of India now politically, but you guys have always been tied to our history and culture. Saying you all descend from a race of Arab- Turkic, Mongol, or some other warriors means nothing before the truth. The Indus refers to India, and nowhere does Pakistan come in.

@ Redcold

What did I not respond to? You're just going around in your little inferioirity complex and insulting around. If this make you happy - by all means go ahead. I'm sorry if it hurts you, but you are being IGNORED by almost everyone here. You can keep putting out all the sh*t you want.

@ Panda King

There is a lot more to Civilization than Written Language, Metalurgy, and Urbanization. You also need arts, religious foundations, advanced economics, etc.

India was Urban since Indus Valley civ. in 3000 BCE. There are over 1400 discovered Bronze Age sites.

Bronze, copper, tin, and lead were mined in IVC times. Indian iron is some of the best in the world, and we also invented the world's best steel: wootz

Quote from Wikipedia:

The people of the Indus Civilization achieved great accuracy in measuring length, mass and time. They were among the first to develop a system of uniform weights and measures. Their measurements were extremely precise. Their smallest division, which is marked on an ivory scale found in Lothal, was approximately 1.704mm, the smallest division ever recorded on a scale of the Bronze Age. Harappan engineers followed the decimal division of measurement for all practical purposes, including the measurement of mass as revealed by their hexahedron weights.

Brick sizes were in a perfect ratio of 4:2:1 and the decimal system was used. Weights were based on units of 0.05, 0.1, 0.2, 0.5, 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, and 500, with each unit weighing approximately 28 grams, similar to the English Imperial ounce or Greek uncia, and smaller objects were weighed in similar ratios with the units of 0.871.

The weights and measures of Kautilya's Arthashastra are the same as those used in Lothal.[4]





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17th century India, The Masters of the Oceans...

Mohenjodaro is still the largest of those cities followed by Harappa. No other site even comes close.

Both are also the oldest.

Go check and see.

If you really want to talk about age then look no further than Merhgarh.

The oldest site in the subcontinent.

4000 years older than Indus valley civilisation.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Wrong.

Out of all the IVC sites, Lothal is the largest one till date. Almost all of the ancient cities have similar dates, Approx 3000 - 2400 BCE. After that its all the Cemetary H culture.

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17th century India, The Masters of the Oceans...

You Indians are known to talk ****.

Mohenjodaro is the largest and most well known site.

They havent even fully excavated it.

Remember the Indus valley lies in Pakistan where the river flows.

Lothal LOL.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Idiot read this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/indusvalley/html/ivl1_settlements.shtml>



This map shows some settlements in the Indus Valley. There are three main cities. Click the city names below to learn more about each settlement.

- Lothal
- Harappa
- Mohenjo-Daro

When you are finished exploring, make sure you visit Mohenjo-Daro.

Lothal

It may have been an important port city. The traders who lived here probably sent precious beads, ivory and jewellery to faraway lands.

Harappa

It was first excavated by archaeologists in 1920. Over 30,000 people may have lived here.

Mohenjo-Daro

Mohenjo-Daro means 'Mound of the Dead'. Nobody lives there now. It is the biggest settlement archaeologists have discovered in the Indus Valley.

It covers about 1.5 square kilometres. Archaeologists believe over 35,000 people lived here.

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And this.

Lothal ki baat karta hai LOL.

http://www.mohenjodaro.net/ancientmetropolis.html

Mohenjo Daro is by far the largest of the Indus cities, extending over 250 hectares with widespread mounds and outlying habitation areas.

It is one of the best-preserved urban centers of the Indus Civilization (2600-1900 BCE) and the only other comparable site is Dholavira, Kutch, India.

The buildings of Mohenjo-daro are made primarily of fired brick, though some structures do include mud brick and timbers.

Mohenjo-daro was spared the looting of bricks that destroyed Harappa and most sites in the Punjab because the main railroad line was constructed along the east bank of the Indus and crushed rock from the Rohri hills was easily accessible for constructing the rail bed.



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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Most sites are in India?

Here you go.



http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-46818>

The Harappan sites range from extensive cities to small villages or outposts. The two largest are Mohenjo-daro and Harappa, each perhaps originally about a mile square in overall dimensions. Each shares a characteristic layout, oriented roughly north-south with a great fortified “citadel” mound to the west and a larger “lower city” to the east. A similar layout is also discernible in the somewhat smaller town of Kalibangan (originally perhaps about 1,300 feet [400 metres] square), and several other major settlements appear to have shared this scheme. Other major sites include Dholavira and Surkotada in the Rann of Kachchh; Nausharo Firoz in Baluchistan; Shortughai in northern Afghanistan; Amri, Chanhu-daro, and Judeirjo-daro in Sindh; and Sandhanawala in Bahawalpur. Among the smaller sites, special interest attaches to Lothal, where a number of unique and problematic features were discovered in excavations. Of all the sites, Harappa, Mohenjo-daro, Kalibangan, and Lothal have been most extensively excavated, and more can be said of their original layout and planning. Thus, they are considered in greater detail below.

At three of the excavated major sites, the citadel mound is on a north-south axis and about twice as long as it is broad. The lower city is laid out in a grid pattern of streets; at Kalibangan these were of regularly controlled widths, with the major streets running through, while the minor lanes were sometimes offset, creating different sizes of blocks. At all three sites the citadel was protected by a massive, defensive wall of brick, which at Kalibangan was strengthened at intervals by square or rectangular bastions. At Kalibangan traces of a somewhat less substantial wall around the lower town have also been discovered. In all three cases the city was situated near a river, although in modern times the rivers have deserted their former courses.

The most common building material at every site was brick, but the proportions of burned brick to unburned mud brick vary. Mohenjo-daro employs burned brick, perhaps because timber was more readily available, while mud brick was reserved for fillings and mass work. Kalibangan, on the other hand, reserved burned brick for bathrooms, wells, and drains. Most of the domestic architecture at Kalibangan was in mud brick. Brick was generally bonded in courses of alternate headers and stretchers—the so-called English bond. Stone was rarely, if ever, employed structurally. Timber was occasionally used as a lacing for brickwork, particularly in large-scale work such as the defenses or the granary at Mohenjo-daro. The common bricks were made in an open mold, but for special purposes sawed bricks were also employed. Timber was used for the universal flat roofs, and in some instances the sockets indicate square-cut beams with spans of as much as 14 feet.

The houses were invariably entered from the side lanes, with the walls to the main streets presenting a blank brick facade, broken only by the drainage chutes. Apart from domestic structures, a wide range of shops and craft workshops have been encountered, including potters' kilns, dyers' vats, and the shops of metalworkers, shell workers, and bead makers. There is surprisingly little evidence of public places of worship, although at Mohenjo-daro a number of possible temples were unearthed in the lower city, and other buildings of a ritual character were reported in the citadel. The size of houses varies considerably. At the one extreme are single-roomed barracks, with cooking and bathing areas formed within by partition walls, and at the other are large houses around a central courtyard or sometimes with a set of intersecting courtyards, each with its own adjoining rooms. Nearly all the larger houses had private wells. In many cases brick stairways led to what must have been upper stories or flat roofs. The bathrooms were usually indicated by the fine quality of the brickwork in the floor and by waste drains.

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how gives damn about whether which side has more sites.just for arguments sake its Indian side which has more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

"Over 500 ancient sites belonging to the Indus Valley Civilization have been discovered along the Ghaggar-Hakra River and its tributaries (S.P. Gupta 1995: 183). By contrast, only about 100 of the known Indus Valley sites have been discovered on the Indus and its tributaries. [3] Certain scholars propose that this was a major river during the third and fourth millennia BCE, and suggest that it may have been the Sarasvati River of the Rigveda. Some advocate designating the Indus Valley culture the "Sarasvati-Sindhu Civilization,"

But leaving aside which side has more,the fact is all the sites belong to Indian civilization.Just because some ****ing muslim invaders colonised the land does not mean that that land does not belong to India.Just because some white colonisers colonised america does not mean that machu picchu, Cuzco, sacred Valley of the Incas belongs to the white man.It will and shall remains the heritage of Native Indians.

@ Redcold

What did I not respond to? You're just going around in your little inferioirity complex and insulting around. If this make you happy - by all means go ahead. I'm sorry if it hurts you, but you are being IGNORED by almost everyone here. You can keep putting out all the sh*t you want.

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@ my little dumb indian fag.......

When did i talk to you, monkeyboy? IS something wrong with your ****ing eye or something? So when i use the word darkness it mean your fuc*king ass? You own that word or something? It is tattoo in your forhead or something you fuc*king dumbass fag.


A little indian boy come here saying i have little inferioirity complex... That really funny, look at the topic of the thread, when a chinese make a thread and the next day a little black come make the same thread with the word indian in it. What so funny is that, that little black kid come from a sub-human race that can't back it up, example like you little blacky.

Who Ignored me? There only a dumb Blacky in here before. And that dumb little formal slave boy havn't ignore me. If you mean my chinese bother that ignore, well guess what dumb shi*t..WE AGREE ON THE SAME THING...LOL LOL LOL LOL
so Use your fuc*king little brian that your faggot dad gave you and think little boy before start yapping your hole, okay? LOL LOL

So little dumbass, is that monkey civilzation still continue? Why only one blacky believe it, are you going make two, dumbass? LOL LOL LOl LOL LOL LOL


What a dumbass..... darkness, darkness, darkness,darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, darkness, ...SO sue me little fag .LO LOL

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how gives damn about whether which side has more sites.just for arguments sake its Indian side which has more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilization

"Over 500 ancient sites belonging to the Indus Valley Civilization have been discovered along the Ghaggar-Hakra River and its tributaries (S.P. Gupta 1995: 183). By contrast, only about 100 of the known Indus Valley sites have been discovered on the Indus and its tributaries. [3] Certain scholars propose that this was a major river during the third and fourth millennia BCE, and suggest that it may have been the Sarasvati River of the Rigveda. Some advocate designating the Indus Valley culture the "Sarasvati-Sindhu Civilization,"

But leaving aside which side has more,the fact is all the sites belong to Indian civilization.Just because some ****ing muslim invaders colonised the land does not mean that that land does not belong to India.Just because some white colonisers colonised america does not mean that machu picchu, Cuzco, sacred Valley of the Incas belongs to the white man.It will and shall remains the heritage of Native Indians.
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I see you using the site wikipedia little Blacky slave-boy...why i can't use it? So wikipeida is only reliable when they have good facts about india only? Can't find those facts from your faimly jacking off site in google nomore? LOL LOL What a dumbass monkey LOL LOL

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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lol redcold that is really hilarious........

I know... Let all laugh and dance together... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LLOL LO LOl

i guess now i can use wikipedia to show your monkey civilization die right?? Is up there in one of my other great post..LOL LOL



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Wikipedia?

Well done AryanArya!

Even I can write an article and post it there.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

good.why dont you tell this to your chinese masters

You complain about it and you use it too dumbass...LOL LOL LOL

Guess what darkness? If That acticle still in wikipedia that mean people that read it agree with it and it having been remove because noone complain about it. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Learn something before you open your hole.

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LOL @ Chinese masters.

Why dont you accept that Chinese culture is the most continuous.

No need to be jealous Indians.

They are Asian after all.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

redcold

"Why dont you accept that Chinese culture is the most continuous."

because its not the fact.Its India not china which is continuous civilization.

"No need to be jealous Indians.

They are Asian after all."

we are not pakis to be jealous of our neighbours.

US Pakistanis jealous?

This coming from an Indian?



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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

LOL @ Chinese masters.

Why dont you accept that Chinese culture is the most continuous.

No need to be jealous Indians.

They are Asian after all.

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because is funny making fun of sub-human race....Only a dumbass would use wikipedia and complain agian it when another person use it agian her argument.....

Monkey asian make all asian look bad...LOok at the countries around that shi*t hole of their...Who their friend?? LOL LOL LOL You know a race got to be really pathic when no one want to be around them. LOL LOL

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because its not the fact.Its India not china which is continuous civilization.



we are not pakis to be jealous of our neighbours.

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LOL LOL LOL LOL

Yeah only monkey land is continue because monkey say it, but no western or eastern source say it.. But everyone say china continue, only a jealous little black deny it...LOL LOL So sad.


Want me to use Wikipedia to proof to you agian? LOL LOL
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"US Pakistanis jealous?"

being a paki,you must know that yourself

@ Redcold.

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

"US Pakistanis jealous?"

being a paki,you must know that yourself


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As least countrie around pakistani want to be around them...Can't say the same about monkey land. LOL LOl

Is funny that monkey say everyone is jealous of them, when no one want to bring monkey up in the first place. But almost every asian ethic group in here alway call Indian monkey is a jealous sub-human spiece. LOL LOl

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Monkey i'm waiting... It been a little too long..LOL LOL

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lol,loser even want to tell a lie here without solid proof,this can make you guys feel better,right?

Redcold, Pakistani chicks are hot once you unveil them. SInce you are the master of the Pakis, you get to do them first while Mudassar does you dishes. LOL I envy you Redcold my slave owner friend LOL

Whoop Whoop, I have a crack in my armor.

Ich bin ein Geschlechtungeheuer.

Redcold, Pakistani chicks are hot once you unveil them. SInce you are the master of the Pakis, you get to do them first while Mudassar does you dishes. LOL I envy you Redcold my slave owner friend LOL
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But i thought your people is the slave not pakistani...

If i remember correctly, IndiaUnited or whatever his name is..He the 16 year old retard...

He say, "is better to be a slave then being bomb" LOL LOL LOL

hey i agree pakistani girl is hot..LOL LOL LOL

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If i remember correctly, IndiaUnited or whatever his name is..He the 16 year old retard...

He say, "is better to be a slave then being bomb"

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

Cmon dude, Humble Mudassar is trying to help out his master Redcold. Dont shun him LOL My precious LOL

Whoop Whoop, I have a crack in my armor.

Ich bin ein Geschlechtungeheuer.

But one thing is sure.chinese chicks are waste.at least by looks it seems like that.But hey we need to ask the japanese who unviled them time and again! lol

But one thing is sure.chinese chicks are waste.at least by looks it seems like that.But hey we need to ask the japanese who unviled them time and again! lol
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This coming from a retard..i didn't know you come back...why you run like a pussy from my other post? LOL LOL

Didn't indian say white men and other men want chinese women? Double standard i see. Is this on your "loser list" LOL LOL LOL LOL

Indian women been unviled by every race, so funny let laugh..LOL LOL

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Cmon dude, Humble Mudassar is trying to help out his master Redcold. Dont shun him LOL My precious LOL
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I thought you say i was funny, he just laughing. I don't need help..LOL LOL LOL

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"Indian women been unveiled by every race"



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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

"Didn't indian say white men and other men want chinese women?"

typical yellow chinky trait.lying.no body said that.lol! its the other way round.its the chinese girls who are after whites and Indians.Of course the same chinese girls think that chinese men are **** and dont even look at them.

hello geniuses.. pakistan was part of India, so whoever enslaved India enslaved Pakistan lol.

At least we know who we are.

You guys call yourselves Indian yet worship western culture and even speak a foreign language called English.

Coconuts!

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

typical yellow chinky trait.lying.no body said that.lol! its the other way round.its the chinese girls who are after whites and Indians.Of course the same chinese girls think that chinese men are **** and dont even look at them.
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You got to be a loser..because what you say is on your "loser list" lol lol lol

chinky..LOLL LOL LOL i see rat finally loose it.

If chinese women don't have no body then why indian rat say chinese women is wanted by every men?

Who after indian men? You put yourself too high little rat, ain't rat like you shorter then chinese men? So you rat got to be shorter then chiense girl. If chinese girl think chines are shi*t then why our population big? So i guess indian rat girl think Indian rat men are shi*t too right? Who burning their women? I guess they think you as god right? Go look before your dad burn the shi*t out of your mom rat..LO LOL LOL LOL

Let laugh at you dumbness..LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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hello geniuses.. pakistan was part of India, so whoever enslaved India enslaved Pakistan lol.

actually, pakistanis not only were enslaved.. they are also the offspring of the raping Turkish and Arab invaders, hence pakistanis look like their arab and turkish daddies. lol.
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When was pakistan a part of India geniues? India was never a country, before the white british men came and united you. They form your congress..LOL LOL LOL LOL

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"If chinese women don't have no body then why indian rat say chinese women is wanted by every men?"

lol! yellow dumbass,cant u understand simple language.chinese women sucks.nobody wants them.But chinese women wants to be with everybody,except chinese men.understood jackass.

IF Chinese women dont want to be with Chinese men then how come their population is 1.3 billion?

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"The intensity is enhanced when it deals with Muslim countries. I want to question the bloody holier than thou attitudes of the Americans and the British. These bastards are God-appointed guardians of the world, to stockpile hundreds of thousands of nuclear warheads, and have the God-given authority to carry out explosions every month. But if we start a modest programme, we are the Satans, devils, and all the journalists consider it a crusade to publish fabricated and malicious stories." Dr Abdul Qadir Khan

lol! yellow dumbass,cant u understand simple language.chinese women sucks.nobody wants them.But chinese women wants to be with everybody,except chinese men.understood jackass.
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Black dumbass rat can't even debate...Alway use double standard...LOL LOL Who say chinese women are wanted by white men?

Who do chiense women marry the most? Learn to count little rat shi*t. LOOK YOUR MOM IS BEING BURN..You roasted monkey. I don't understand simple language? most of your people don't even know their own language. LOL LOL LO LOL

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"Who say chinese women are wanted by white men? "


Well, in western countries.. too often you see White men taking all the chinese women. Its a fact.



Asian Women: Up For Grabs

By Ashley Kim Song

As an Asian girl growing up in the United States, I believe I was taught by the society to be attracted to just about everyone besides other Asian men. This marginalization of Asian men has occurred, in my view, for several reasons.

First, the media never portrays Asian men in a dominant role. They are always portrayed as nerdy, geeky, brainiacs, with no sense of themselves and no ability to attract women. In other words, the media portrays Asian men as incapable and undesirable.

Second, American society has many negative stereotypes towards Asian men. It has become a complete joke to think that an Asian man could ever "satisfy" a woman. Their "manlihood" is the constant subject of jokes and insults. For this reason, most women view Asian men as asexual and feminine.

For these reasons, Asian women, and women in general in American society are taught to view Asian men as undesirable and feeble. As you will see, this is the reason why Asian women are now up for grabs...

Asian women in our society, because of their conditioning, on the whole do not prefer to date Asian men. In one of the discussion classes I taught last year at Berkeley, half of the Asian girls in the room, stated that they do not prefer to date Asian men. Also, roughly every other girl in the class also agreed that they prefer not to date Asian men. So, if Asian women are on a trend of not dating Asian men, who are they dating?

Girls the class I taught generally gave me two answers to this question. The most obvious one being White men, as people around Berkeley and other cultural areas can most recognizably notice. The second most common answer from the girls was Indian men (South Asians). When I asked the girls why the preferred these two ethnic groups of men, their responses centered around two areas: economic status and physical attractiveness.

In terms of economic status, the Asian girls said that both white men and Indian men in our society (especially here at Berkeley), were viewed as successfull, intelligent, and confident. These are all qualities that the Asian community values.

Next, the girls said that they found these two groups of men to physically attractive. When I asked why, the responses I recieved were varied. My conjecture in this case would be that both groups tend to share the same sharp features (Greco-Roman noses/eyes) that the media tends to value.

So what is the end result of all this? Asian women are "up for grabs" and this has essentially devasted Asian men. Asian men are getting the axe on two levels here. First, they are only seen as being able to date their own kind (other Asian girls). At the same time, their own kind, at an increasing rate, tends not to prefer them sexually.

In conclusion, I have come to no conclusion. This is merely an observation of mine as a student and teacher here at Berkeley. However, I personally view this information as interesting and helpful. And, I, as an Asian-American woman, bring it in to my consideration when viewing Asian men.

Ashley Kim Song is fourth-year Political Science major at UC Berkeley.


http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/asia/index.pl?noframes;read=23

Ashley Kim Song

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Smart guy...That a korean name. LOL LOl

Guess who korean marry the most? LOL LOL Chinese men.

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Raj,that was good,.

Raj,that was good,.
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Yeah that was so good and you believe it too.. LOL LO LOL LOL What a dumbass you are. lOL LOL LOL

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now stop with the senseless flaming guys.. this is getting boring.

R A J? where are you? Are you trying to look for one of your pathic acticle agian?

if so, Next time look for someone that not koearn american and one that have the word chinese in it. Please add the link too..LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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if koreans are like that,chinese are even pathetic lol!!

heres the link..
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/asia/index.pl?noframes;read=23


It refers to all asians anyway. IMO Koreans are the best-looking Asians.

if koreans are like that,chinese are even pathetic lol!!
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LOL LOL LOLOL LOL

I guess indian are dumbass like you, that make ever indian in the word a dumbass too right? LOL LOL

Is funny that korean girl marry to chinese man the most...Out of all the East asian girl, Chinese women marry outside their ethic the least. LOLL LOL

Go learn something dumbass, before you start yapping. It is still a good one? LOL LOL LOL LOL

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heres the link..
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/asia/index.pl?noframes;read=23


It refers to all asians anyway. IMO Koreans are the best-looking Asians.

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yeah korean is beautyful, but some all bitch and golddigger. You can't use a koearn-american and say all asian. Asian-american is culturely differnt from people that from asia.

if a white girl live in asia for all her life, guess who she going marry?

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Our we still in a stand off???? LOL LOL

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lol,india losers lied again.take an article of korea people then BS about China.you BS here as if you smelly losers are in the sme place as you white masters,lol.hey,seriously,why so many black idnia still told other people they are white people?some ugly india females also try their best to show they are whiye,but their master don't even want to touch them,lol,can I call them "untouchable for masters"?lol

"if koreans are like that,chinese are even pathetic lol!! "

lol,liar,who you think you are?you smelly india has been raped by muslims and britains for so long time,so you can speak proudly that you are white people?
hey,seriously,smelly loser,look at the pic below,it's in the subway of your smelly capital,they are not beggars,you think they are attractive to females?lol,those smelly india losers,dream on.
oh,btw,loser,why you don't show the pics of subway in all india cities and towns as you lied to all of us?lol

Man i enjoy debating with chinese

lol,india liar lost his poor mind after he realized how smelly and ugly he is.at leaset this time he didn't talk some nonsense here,we just feel it is pathetic,lol.

Well I didn't read most of the post in this thread(pointless) but from Elementary,High School all the way to College we are taught that China is the longest and oldest living civilization the only one that survived all these years. BTW, I didn't study in China I lived in the States my entire life and American education says the same thing, that should leave out some bias thoughts.

The Indus Civilization died off at one point it didn't continue.

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"The Chinese people are very boring. Very little gets done at one of their meetings. Indians are more professional. Yet the main difference between them and Indians is that Indians think they are the greatest but do nothing about it. The Chinese, on the other hand, want to go out and prove to the world they are that."

Forget Indus River Valley civilization, Vedic Aryan civilization is the oldest surviving civilization today.

From Wiki's Indus Valley article

Legacy
In the course of the 2nd millennium BCE, remnants of the IVC's culture would have amalgamated with that of other peoples, likely contributing to what eventually resulted in the rise of historical Hinduism. Judging from the abundant figurines depicting female fertility that they left behind, IVC people worshipped a Mother goddess (compare Shakti and Kali). IVC seals depict animals, perhaps as the objects of veneration, comparable to the zoomorphic aspects of some Hindu gods. Seals resembling Pashupati in a yogic posture have also been discovered. Like Hindus today, Indus Civilization people seemed to have placed a high value on bathing and personal cleanliness. The houses in Mohenjo-Daro usually had a private well and bathing platforms were often near the well (Kenoyer 1998: 58-60).

Indus Goddesses of Fertility


Another Indus Goddess


More Indus Goddesses


Shakti cult of Hinduism


Kali Temple in Kathmandu


Sculpture of Maa Kali of Shakti cult

Jai Maha Kali Kalyaan Kare!

Its not just the ideas of Shakti that were carried over from the Indus civilization into the later Vedic period. We also have important symbolism like the Swastika, our tradition of yoga, Shiva Mahdeva, and many believe, our caste system comes from the IVC.

I'll post pics soon.

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The basis of the theory that yoga and the worship of Shiva are atributable to the IVC are all based on one seal which depicts a man with horns meditating with animals around him.

Until the Indus script is deciphered we will know nothing about them.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

I just want to make it known that it is irrelevant about whether Indus Valley really lived on or not. The Rig Veda (oldest text in the world) has astronomical accurate references that would have happened as far as 5000BC.

The current dating system for Indian civilizations and chronology were guesstimates by devout Christian Max Mueller who was working on principal that God had made Earth 4000 years before Christ. So he placed Indus Valley at 2500BC and Aryan Invasion at 1500BC.

And satellite imagery has shown that there might have been an extinct river (Saraswati) where the Rig Veda suggests. So we can't say that Rig Veda was written in Tajikistan or something either.

If we are still adamant about Aryan Invasion Theory (presence of heavy Indo-European blood cannot be explained by the historically recorded invasions of Persians, Greeks, Parthians, Kushans, Sakas, etc, etc), it means Indus River Valley civilization is older than 5000BC.

Yes Babumoshai,

Current estimates do put the IVC farther back in history making it a contemporary of Egypt's Old Kingdom.

In the end though the Indus people have left very little, thus they cannot be compared with civillizations like Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Even if the Indus script were deciphered, it would not be much help because their is so little of it to read.

According to the information about them available today the IVC was an advanced Neolithic civilization. A glorified Catal Huyuk. Despite their architectural achievements as far as culture is concerened they were not much more sophisticsted than the people of neighbouring Mehergarh who preceded them and are calssified as a neolithic people.

No doubt the Rig Veda was written on the banks of the Indus and maybe the Vedic and IV civillizations coexisted for a time, but they were two dsitinct peoples.

The Vedic people were far more adavnced in their religious beliefs and social structure, but were just a nomdaic pastoral group.

If certain leads are to be followed they adapted certain things from the Indus peoples(agriculture, worship of Shiva etc.)but the basis of their religion and culture was entirely distinct and their main god, Indra was even worshipped by their Hittie and Mittani cousins in Anatolia.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

About lord Shiva, its not just one Pashupti seal that depicts the Lord's meditative pose.

They've actually found small Lingams similar to what many people have in their home-shrines today. Also there are great many depictions of the bull Nandi.

These are all from the IVC:











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The only main conecction with Hinduism in particular though is the Pashupati Seal.

The Mother Goddess was worshipped by all of the Neolithic people of the Middle East and even as far back as Cro-Magnon man in France.

Similarly Bulls were sacred to many Mesopotamian groups and also to the Ancient Egyptians.

Phallic symbols were also revered by all of the above groups as a sign of fertility.

Hindusim has retained many beliefs that most of mankind has followed at one point or another.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

Darkness Bhai,

I once read something about a theory that the Indus Valley was much lusher and covered in forests back in the IVC days. The presence of teh Saraswati as well as the Indus must have attarcted more clouds and rainfall back then. Have you come across this?

Today Sindh and Southern Punjab are deserts, the only places with grenery are the banks of the Indus and irrigated areas. The animals represented in the Pashtupati Seal are the rhinoceros, Wild Water Buffalo, elephant and tiger. None of these animlas are found in Pakistan today. They are all forest animals and in teh case of the rhino, elephant and buffalo they are semi aquatic and need plenty of water and mud, so the area around Sukker and Larkana must have been one big lush jungle back then.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

I personally think the existence of the Linga completely proves that the Pashupati seal is infact purely Dharmic. The Mother goddess idea was followed by many cultures, but it never really went into the Mature eras of their civilizations. As for ours, it was alomost predominant the whole time.

I believe this explains more about continuity than anything else.

About the Saraswati river, and the fertility of the land in Pakistan, yes there is a theory that states that it is entirely geological factors that led to the cause of the IVC collapse. You have to remember that the Ganga and Sindhu rivers have nearly the same origin points in the Himalayas (near Mt. Kailash). A small tectonic quake or movement could greatly alter the flow of the rivers. Many geologists believed this is what happened and before the main flows of the river was in ths Sindhu and the Saraswati rivers, and after an earthquake, it shifted its main course into the Ganga (also connected with the story of Shiva's creation of the Ganga).

It is also believed that the current Sindhu river had changed its course several times while the Indus civilization existed. Since you live in Pakistan, you might have seen the Hakra river, and its basin? I've seen the Ghaggar river in Rajasthan (unfortunately I went in the summer, so it was completely dry. Its usually a stream during the monsoon seasons and winter). According to Satellite imaging, the basin for the Ghaggar-Hakra is bigger than that of the Amazon. This could mean that the drying up of rivers led to the loss of farming and many of the animalsand jungles died out. This caused to people move East into the Ganges valley.

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The only part of what is today Pakistan that the Saraswati flowed through is the Cholistan desert in southern Punjab, o teh border with the Jaisalmer region of Rajasthan.

The region is a sand dune desert so even the riverbed of the Hakra is not distinguishable for most of its course. One of the Nawabs of Bahawalpur(Cholistan used to be part of Bahawalpur State, archenemies of the Jaisalmer Bhattis) once used groundwater and irrigation from the Indus to refill the Hakra and it succeeded for many years, but today as you mentioned, it only flows in limited parts of its course during particularly heavy Monsoon and winter rains.

It has been deduced that the Saraswati was actually the Sutlej, but due shifts in the rivers course it started to flow into teh Indus and its lower reaches dried out.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

Darkness, don't you think that trying to push this continuity from IVC to Vedic civilization via Pashupati seal is like finding continuity of Hinduism into Sufi Islam? Not that there is any lack of similarity between Vedanta and Vahdat, but its really stretching it.

Babumoshai,

The Hindu influence upon Sufism is negligible. Many Sufis used Hindu thought to express their ideas because most of their audience was Hindu.

I have told you this before, Sufism is Pan-Islamic and not just confined to the subcontinent.

You seem to only know about Indian Sufism, do some research Abdul Qadir Gilani, Mansoor and Ibn Al-Arabi, they are some of the earliest Sufi mystics.

In all fairness Sufism has more similarities to Gnostic Christianity than Hinduism.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

Quote: Darkness, don't you think that trying to push this continuity from IVC to Vedic civilization via Pashupati seal is like finding continuity of Hinduism into Sufi Islam? Not that there is any lack of similarity between Vedanta and Vahdat, but its really stretching it.

Not really. No.

Unlike Hinduism and Sufi Islam, the IVC, and the later Vedic periods share a great deat deal of commonalities, including geographic origins.

Just because some Europeans and some Eurocentric Marxists say that IVC isn't connected to Hinduism doesn't mean that that will be the case. If someone argues against the theory, they're aren't presented with counter arguments, rather they're called "Hindoo Nationalist Nazis" or insane. There's a lot more evidence than that one seal to present a case for continuity since the IVC. Continuity from the Vedic period is obviously not in doubt. Recent underwater excavtions in Dwarka show that the IVC Language was used uptill 1550 BCE, which overlaps with Aryan Migration. Also the writing system of the IVC bears resemblance to the later Brahmi script.

Brahmi and Indus Comparison


Bet Dwarka Indus Writing (1550 BCE)


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The Dwarka script is quite distinct from that of Mohenjodaro and Harrapa.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini

No, Dwarka script is the Late Harappan Script.

http://www.answers.com/Indus%20Script

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