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Byzantine Military

July 7 2006 at 2:22 AM

Darada_Raja  (Login Darada_Raja)
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How long did the Byzantines continue to use the Roman Legionairy system in their military?

I think it still existed in Justinian's time but by the Middle Ages they were relying more and more on Armenian, German and Turk mercenaries.

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Lakedaimon
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Re: Byzantine Military

July 7 2006, 9:12 AM 

The Byzantines were already using more "easternized" armies before they even became "the byzantines" officially. In the East Roman armies had to face horse-back foes on open plains, unlike the wests enemies who (until that time) had fought in dense forrests and largely on foot.

Cataphracts became the norm pretty soon - mainly of Hellenistic, Armenian and Parthian influence. Especially when in the 3rd cent the Sasanid Persians came to power, took over from the Parthians and presented a very serious threat. Those mounted warriors could not be dealt with effectively by the old-style legio which was largely an infantry formation spiced up by auxiliarii cavalry. Roman cavalry of the 1st cent AD was "light" in comparisson to eastern cataphracts.

Various horse mercenaries were employed by the Byzantines, horse archers and heavy cavalry of Turkic, Armenian, or other decent. Later on (8th cent AD) infantry from northern Europe came to find employement in Constantinople, initially as the emperor's guard (Varangian Guard) and later as a full standing unit (that often saved the day in major battles).

In any case the Byzantines used a recruitment/deployement system similar to that of the west where each "Thema" (province) was responsible for providing the emperor with a cerain number of combattants/units. This Thema is comparable to the Western auxiliari cohorts that came from a specific province.

OTOH when the Emperor gathered his Themas and his own troops for a campaign, the army did not march like a collection of Legios or Themas but rather like a big bulk of flesh and iron.

The Themas - and the strength that they provided the local Lords with - were one of the main reasons for the constant civil wars and imperial murders within the palace that led to the gradual decay and final downfall of the Byzantine Empire.

Cheers,

Miltos

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Darada_Raja
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Re: Byzantine Military

July 7 2006, 3:36 PM 

Thanks Lakedaimon,

So the Eastern Empire relied on heavy cavalry from the start? Interesting. They would have needed it against the Parthians and Sassanians.

Also another question, in their early wars with the Sassanians were Western Legionary units also used in Mesopotamia and Syria or was it exclusively fought by the Eastern Army?

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini



 
 

Mario
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Re: Byzantine Military

July 7 2006, 6:18 PM 

the classic legionary organization changed yet in IV century AD and mainly in the east combined infantry and cavalry units







but also during the first byzantine most of the eastern army was mainly infantry, the easternized byzantines appeared only after Emperor Heraclius reign



during the Roman Empire when main military efforts were needed in the east the bulk and core of the armies was rised from the west using veterans from the Rhine and Danube and Frank and Gothic auxiliaries



the eastern legions were traditionally considered less warlike and disciplined during the Roman Empire





During III century most of the germans serving under Rome were franks and during IV century they were mainly goths



of course Iranian auxiliaries (cataphracts) were used on the Rhine too by Romans





    
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Darada_Raja
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Re: Byzantine Military

July 8 2006, 2:59 AM 

The Cataphracts were mostly Sarmatians and Alans. Thus they were Iranic peoples (much like Pashtuns and Kurds are Iranic) but they certainly werent Iranian as most were from what is today Ukraine, far far away from Persia.

"Who are the rulers of the lands beyond Guraiz and Burzil? The Darada Rajas."
The Rajatarangini



 
 

Mario
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Italian Legion(Italy)

Re: Byzantine Military

July 8 2006, 10:37 AM 

@Darada-Raja

you are correct considering most of the cataphracts in roman service were from Alans and other Sarmatian nations

you can easily remember the 5,000 alan cavalrymen which served Rome in Britain and were at the origin of the legend of King Arthur (have you seen the recent movie ?)

(BTW the european name Alan is from the ethnic "alan")

but the first units of cataphracts in roman service were armenians and partian/persians

those iranian units were very small in number but served for long the Roman Empire mostly on the Rhine border side by side with the Mauretanian light cavalry (and far away from the persian border)

when an important roman (as the infamous Titus Labienus)or a partian/persian (as the Puseus family which descended from a persian officer who flied in the roman camp under Justinian reign and whose descendants were an important roman senatorial family in the late empire)had some "problems" of political nature sometimes he chosed to fly in the enemy empire as a refugee (and serving in his army)




    
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