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Dambusters Remake

September 5 2006 at 7:06 PM

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This should re-open the debate. An expensive PR stunt or a success in shortening the war?


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3782818a10,00.html
$76m for another Jackson epic
01 September 2006
By TOM CARDY

First there was King Kong and now another childhood dream is about to come true for film-maker Peter Jackson – a $76 million new version of the classic film The Dam Busters.


Jackson reveals today that he will produce the film, to be known as Dambusters, based on one of World War II's most daring feats when Royal Air Force bombers destroyed German dams using bouncing bombs.

Most of the US$50 million film will be shot in Wellington, where about 10 full-scale replicas of the Lancaster bombers used in the 1943 raid will be built by visual effects company Weta Workshop. Some filming is also likely in Britain.

"I always thought that out of all the World War II true stories this is one of the most extraordinary," Jackson, a longtime aviation and war buff, told The Dominion Post.

"My parents were English and they were both involved in the war. When it comes to World War II, I'm very based in this English mindset.

"Mum and Dad talked about it all the time. I almost feel like I lived through World War II."

The film will be based on the book The Dam Busters, the 1954 British film of the same name – and new information about the top-secret mission, which included two New Zealanders and an American as well as British and Canadian crews.

Jackson, 44, first saw the 1954 film, which focused on inventor Barnes Wallis and mission commander Guy Gibson, at a Wellington cinema when he was 12.

He had been fascinated by the mission, but 10 years ago when he first considered remaking the film he was told Hollywood star Mel Gibson had bought the film rights, held by British broadcaster Sir David Frost, and hoped to star and direct.

"I'd been chasing it for a long, long time but I forgot about it for a while at that point," Jackson said. "Then about two years ago my agent got back to me to say Mel Gibson had dropped out and they were looking around for suitable film-makers to take it on. That's when I jumped on board."

In May Britain's Mail on Sunday reported plans for the film, which Jackson at the time dismissed. He said yesterday he was then still negotiating the rights to make the film, which got the green light only last week.

It will be backed by Hollywood's Universal Pictures and Europe's biggest film company, StudioCanal. Jackson's agent Ken Kamins and Sir David will be executive producers.

"Peter Jackson is the ideal producer, not only because of his film-making genius, but also because of his aeronautical expertise and unique understanding of the human pressures wrought by war," Sir David said.

Computer-generated visual effects and models will depict much of the mission. Jackson had not ruled out using working Lancasters, but the 10 replicas would not fly.

"You do have to have them on the airfield and actors walking around them. We're not going to resort to CG (computer-generated effects) for every single shot in this movie."

It was likely a British screenwriter would be hired. The cast could include A-list stars, but director Christian Rivers said they were most likely to cast actors in their 20s for the main roles. Wing Commander Gibson was only 24 and some pilots were as young as 20.

"One of the things that's really important for us, which isn't in the original film, is to capture how young these pilots really were," Rivers said.

Jackson did not expect problems fitting the film in with others being made at his Wellington studios, including sci-fi epic Halo and The Lovely Bones, which he will direct.

Jackson said Halo was likely to start shooting early next year – and it was possible Halo and Dambusters could be shot about the same time. The Lovely Bones, for which he expected a draft script to be completed next week, would be filmed later.




 
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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 5 2006, 10:18 PM 

Starring Brad Pitt, Dambusters tells the story of how a few American pilots dared to go against the British evaluation that 'bombing dams could not be done'. The Americans, in their B29 bombers, against all odds, heroically undertook and successfully completed this mission by developing an ingenious 'bouncing bomb' which single handedly won the war for the allies.

Seriously though, wonder if the dog will still be called n*****?

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 5 2006, 10:40 PM 

From a German point of view, it did relatively little damage, most casualties were allied POWs and forced labour workers, it had zero strategic effects.

It simply was a creative solution to a tactical problem (the bombs). Had we had to do this mission, we would have simply used guided missiles

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 5 2006, 11:25 PM 

"Seriously though, wonder if the dog will still be called n*****?"

LOL! I wondered how long it would take for someone to mention the dog.

Expect big arguements in forthcoming posts!

Seriously though. If done right I am ecstatic about the prospect of The Dambusters being remade. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of the original but to see it all in glorious colour (Erm... at night...) would be great!

And it's about time we had another British war film! I'm fed up with Hollywood making out that the US won WW2 by themselves. It's time we got some recognition again!

"Starring Brad Pitt, Dambusters tells the story of how a few American pilots dared to go against the British evaluation that 'bombing dams could not be done'. The Americans, in their B29 bombers, against all odds, heroically undertook and successfully completed this mission by developing an ingenious 'bouncing bomb' which single handedly won the war for the allies."

Don't even THINK it! Wash your mind out this instant!

That's enough of those negative waves, man! (Name that film, LOL).

And back on a serious note, no the damage done wasn't as much as was made out at the time but it was a fantastic achievement - both in the engineering and in the execution.

A whole new audience deserves to find out about it!

One final thought... They'd better not change the damed music!!!!

 
 


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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 1:00 PM 

According to the Times the dogs name has been changed to Tigger

 
 

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 5:24 PM 

"Ve vill use missiles." - I don't think so. The only missiles ever used by the Germans in WW2 were the Fritz X anti-ship missile and the Henschel Hs 293 air-to-ship gliding guided bomb. Several Hs 293s, equivilent to the amount of bouncing bombs, probably would not have been able to penetrate a damn the size of those in the Ruhr - they would have to strike in almost the exact same spot. Another drawback was it and the control plane's vunurability to flak as they had to fly in a straight line. The the Fritz X was susceptible to counter measures causing it to go out of control.

 
 


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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 8:00 PM 

with it beeing Jackson I am slightly less worried then if Mel Gibson was doing it

as long as it shows the real commonwealth crews and its not anothere Americanized remake then go for it

my money is on the re nameing the dog, histoicaly inacurate though it may be



There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun,
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

 
 
Reaver180
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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 10:11 PM 

If you lot can put together an absurd rolling bomb, I'm sure we could manage to stick a bigger warhead on our missiles

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Eric
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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 10:53 PM 

the dambusters were a brilliant idea !


Don't try this at home lads
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brianm
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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 6 2006, 11:44 PM 

The more I think about this the better it gets!

Crew of the leading Lancaster:-

Pilot = Gandalf
Navigator = Aragorn
Flight Engineer = Sam
Bomb Aimer = Frodo
Wireless Operator = Legolas
Mid Upper Gunner = Gimli
Rear Gunner = Boromir (Who sadly dies after an entanglement with a German night-fighter)
Stowaways = Merry & Pippin


Then you have Gollum following them in a Fieseler Storch and Sauron, Saruman & the Lord of the Nazgul defending the three dams.

Hey! This could work!

 
 

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 7 2006, 1:36 AM 


reaver180

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If you lot can put together an absurd rolling bomb, I'm sure we could manage to stick a bigger warhead on our missiles



You don't honestly think it was an absurd weapon do you, i mean at least have some admiration for the originality of the idea, and it worked.

I think the whole point is that to use a warhead big enough to breach those dams on a missile or rocket Germany would probably have had to build an enormous delivery system and then an enormous aircraft to carry it, and then it would be unsuccessful.

The whole point of the bouncing bomb was that, not only could it be delivered in a way to defeat any conventional defences around the dams, but after it had struck the dams it used a barometric detonater to explode the bombs after it had sunk to a certain depth.

This delivery method ensured that the bomb was as close to the dam wall as possible before detonation and used the the water around it to direct the force of the explosion.

I'm not sure if this type of device could be incorporated in to a missile or rocket.


 
 

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 7 2006, 12:30 PM 

Well IMO the whole operation and the bomb with it was a solution in search of a problem, not the other way round.

Attacking these dams was a minor nuisance and seeing just how it was/ is blown out of proportion is a bit absurd indeed.

Yes, it was a clever plan to build these bombs, but the mission itself was pointless.

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 8 2006, 2:35 AM 

The more I think about this the better it gets!

Crew of the leading Lancaster:-

Pilot = Gandalf
Navigator = Aragorn
Flight Engineer = Sam
Bomb Aimer = Frodo
Wireless Operator = Legolas
Mid Upper Gunner = Gimli
Rear Gunner = Boromir (Who sadly dies after an entanglement with a German night-fighter)
Stowaways = Merry & Pippin


Then you have Gollum following them in a Fieseler Storch and Sauron, Saruman & the Lord of the Nazgul defending the three dams.

Hey! This could work!


Don't forget King Kong scaling the dam...

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Re: Dambusters Remake

September 8 2006, 8:14 PM 

Quote:
That's enough of those negative waves, man!


Kelly's Heroes - Great film. :D

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