Assuming that this takes place in 1945, who do you think wins in 1v1 duel?
Yamato:
Displacement 71,659 tons
Dimensions 862'10" x 121'1" x 32'11"
Speed 27 knots
Armament 9 x 18.1"/45
12 (later 6) x 6.1"/60
12 (later 24) x 5"/40 DP
up to 150 x 25mm AA
4 x 13mm AA
Armor 16.1" belt (inclined)
11.8" bulkheads
9.1" deck
25.6" turret face
19.7" conning tower link
I would say that the Yamato will win most likely, due to edging out the Iowa in all points due to sheer size of guns, armour. If the battle is at night, the Iowa may gain a slight advantage due to better FC radar.
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This message has been edited by 7keys on Mar 31, 2008 1:08 AM
About Yamato's Armour, If I remember correctly, Japanese armour rated a ~0.85 where us is a 1 for steel quality. Although that is just one study, and there were others that even put the Japanese ahead in this area. Yamato was designed to be immune to 16' shells, although not the special AP ones that Iowa has.
By the end of the war the Iowa class battleships were the best overall battleships in the world. The main guns of the Yamato and Iowa were about the same as the Yamato 18" cannons had problems, they had about the same underwater protection, the Iowa had much better fire control, and the Iowa had a much better secondary armament include a much more capable anti aircraft suit.
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The Yamato would not have been able to match the accuracy and sophisitication of the Iowa's fire control system. Radar directed gunnery on the Yamato was nowhere near as developed as on Iowa class. In a long range gunnery duel the Iowa would achieve hits far more often, no question.
The Japanese were better skilled than the Americans to night naval warfare.Don't forget the Savo's island naval battle when the Japanese fleet despite its lack of radar systems took the American fleet by surprise giving to the Americans a strong punch.
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Re: USS Iowa vs. IJN Yamato - Who wins?
April 12 2008, 12:53 PM
72.000 tons vs 58.000 tons. Well in a real day fight, where factors like radar and some special electronics do not paly themost important role, things are clear: Yamato would have 80%. It is a giant of a ship.
But when it comes to techniques, fighting tactics, even teh 50.000 tons German Battleship Bismarck could be able to match with an Iowa or Yamato.
The IJN Yamato has gun and armour advantage as well as massing 14,000 ton more than the USS Iowa, baiscally its like the pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee massing 16,200 t full load vs the Renown class battlecruiser massing 30,100 tons (maximum).
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This message has been edited by flying_tiger on Apr 12, 2008 3:56 PM
In a day engagement, with proper visibility, radar is not going to be the deciding factor. The longest ranged hits on enemy ships were all made using optical FCS, and a if a single salvo from the Yamato lands on, or even anywhere near the Iowa, then the radar is probably going to be put out of action.
As well, at long range I belive that the Yamato will be nearly indestructable due to the large amount of deck armour that it has. Iowa is going to need to get closer, in order for its shells to go for the weaker Yamato belt armour. Of course, IRL the americans knew nothing about the Yamato, thinking that it was 35K-40K tons, and using 16" guns.
I don't think so. The Bismark was lacking in armour, underwater protection, and fire control.
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"The reason I'll be released is the same reason you think I'll be convicted. I do rub shoulders with some of the most vile, sadistic men calling themselves leaders today. But some of these men are the enemies of your enemies. And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss - the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year - sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying. So. You call me evil, but unfortunately for you, I'm a necessary evil."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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"Of all the weapons in the vast soviet arsenal, nothing was more profitable than Avtomat Kalashnikova model of 1947. More commonly known as the AK-47, or Kalashnikov. It's the world's most popular assault rifle. A weapon all fighters love. An elegantly simple 9 pound amalgamation of forged steel and plywood. It doesn't break, jam, or overheat. It'll shoot whether it's covered in mud or filled with sand. It's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do. The Soviets put the gun on a coin. Mozambique put it on their flag. Since the end of the Cold War, the Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars."-Yuri Orlov, Lord of War
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Quote:The Bismark was lacking in armour, underwater protection, and fire control.
A few Brit torpedos from decrepit biplanes caused severe damage on Bismark. Conversely the Yamato was hit many times by torpedos and armor piercing bombs before it succumbed. NO comparison.
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