Quote: Turkey offers $20 mln aid to open Armenian archives Turkey offered to give $20 million aid to the classification and opening of the Armenian archives in the U.S. city of Boston, which he said, included "very important" documents regarding the incidents of 1915, a high level Turkish official told Hurriyet daily. Turkey offers $20 mln aid to open Armenian archives Head of Turkey's state-funded Turkish Historical Society (TTK) Yusuf Halacoglu said the Armenians do not want to have the archives opened because such efforts will start a real debate over the genocide claims. Nabi Sensoy, the Turkish Ambassador in Washington D.C., also reiterated Turkey's willigness to open its archives. Halacoglu said that the Armenian archives in Boston included very important documents regarding both the 500,000 Armenians who currently live in Turkey, and the 1915 incidents. "The (Armenians) had said 'We don't have money to categorize the archives, and therefore we cannot open them'. I frankly told them 'We can give you the money needed and open the archives'. But they did not respond to my offer," Halacoglu was quoted by Hurriyet as saying on Tuesday. Armenia, with the backing of the diaspora, claims up to 1.5 million of their kin were slaughtered in orchestrated killings in 1915. The Armenian diaspora has lately increased its organized activities throughout the world for the acknowledgment of their unfounded allegations in regard to the incidents of 1915 as "genocide" by national and local parliaments. Turkey rejects the claims, saying that 300,000 Armenians along with at least as many Turks died in civil strife that emerged when the Armenians took up arms for independence in eastern Anatolia. Ankara's attempts to resolve the issue has not so far get a concrete response from Yerevan. Halacoglu said he also presented his proposal to two Armenian historians, Ara Sarfian and Hilmar Kaiser, adding he heard no word back, and noted that the opening of the archives in Boston would launch a real debate on the issue. "This would directly open a debate over the genocide claims. Armenians are aware of this and therefore they are doing their best not to sit at the table," he added. Turkey is of the view that parliaments and other political institutions are not the appropriate forums to debate and pass judgment on disputed periods of history. Past events and controversial periods of history should be left to historians for their dispassionate study and evaluation. In 2005, Turkey officially proposed the establishment of a joint commission comprised of historians and other experts from both sides to study the events of 1915, utilizing not only Turkish and Armenian archives, but also those of relevant third-party countries and to share their findings with the public. Armenia has not responded positively to this initiative, as yet. AVOID ANIMOSITY Sensoy called on Armenians not to raise children with animosity, in his speech at a meeting hosted by the Potomac Institute for Policy Studies on "the Future of Turkey-U.S. Strategic Partnership", the Anatolian Agency reported on Tuesday. "We should not raise our children with animosity. I grew up together with many Turkish citizens of Armenian descent. It was one of our Armenian neighbors who cried and mourned most when I lost my father. Enmity does not lead us anywhere," he said. Sensoy reminded that Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan had called on Armenians to form a joint committee of historians to unveil the truth. "Turkey opened its archives. Armenians should do the same. We expect politicians in the United States and in other countries to let historians deal with past events," Sensoy said. Sensoy denied accusations that Turkey imposed an economic embargo on Armenia, saying Turkey was the fifth biggest economic partner of Armenia and number of weekly flights between Turkey and Armenia reached four. Sensoy also said the draft resolution submitted to the U.S. Congress on the incidents of 1915 brought Turkey-U.S. relations to 'brink of a disaster'. "We are pleased with leaving those days behind as a result of resolute attitude of the U.S. administration and congressmen," he added. A report on an Armenian bill regarding the incidents of 1915 was adopted last year by the Committee on Foreign Relations of the U.S. House of Representatives. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/8979826.asp?gid=231&sz=5702

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Whats the bet the answer will be no.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

after a genocide 20 million is quite a reasonable offer
it should help ease the pain a little.
throw in a couple of kebabs and some desert yoghurt and it will go along way to improve turkeys
humanitarian image.
and in return turkey can keep the territorys belonging to greeks ,armenians,syrians,kurds,cypriots
but you may have to throw in some dolmades to make sure.

Its asking to give $20 million to open archives, not for aid, that is a very generous offer.

The Armenians have a lot to hide, they always refuse to open their archives.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Quote: Whats the bet the answer will be no.

Haha, you think?





@Aietus

Actually we shouldn't even be offering money for the opening archives(unless they seriously need money cause the archives are in bad conditions), it's something every human has the right to have access to.

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It seems they have something to hide.



"Independence is My Character"
M. Kemal ATATÜRK

The Armenian Genocide is a matter of history, no matter what it says in the archives.

You can't run away from your culpability in the massacres of Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians.



Would you trust this man"

That isn't exactly fair. If there is no records of this event then the event itself never truly happened, or it is caste into doubt. You can't merely say something is historical fact, because history is written by men and men do lie.

The Greek massacres (pogroms) are well recorded and observed.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Landos said: "The Armenian Genocide is a matter of history, no matter what it says in the archives"

"Turkey's third goal was ofside, no matter what the images show"

You are are beginning to sound like a fool, not no matter, but BECAUSE of what you're posting

I have to talk down because I'm speaking to stupid mongols.

Hey, not my fault your rug-slapping grand daddy murdered Armenians and Greeks. You need to admit it and express contrition. Chit for brains.



Would you trust this man"

The date of the Armenian genocide: April 24, 1915

But the state of Armenia (Democratic Republic of Armenia (DRA)) was declared May 28, 1918.

But on March 4, 1922 this short-lived Republic was annexed and incorporated to the Soviet Union.

Now knowing this we can see what kind of a ruse the Turks are attempting. What can the Armenian archives contain about an event and time period in question during whichm for the most part, no Armenian state existed? Maybe some genius Kemalist Turks can answer?

I forget I am posting in WAFF, home of flamers, ignorants, quacks and dumb Turks(MoronInIstanbulSince1453) spouting the same lies that their state creates for them. Look up the works of historians like Dadrian, Akcam and you will see how much documentation exists. This is a Public Relations ruse by the Turkish government to create doubt in the minds of the global public to make it look like the Armenian genocide is not documented enough to determine if it happened or not. It is likely that this offer has alot of strings attached and that no government not just Armenia would accept such a Turkish offer of letting Turkey give a few million and tell X country how to run their archives.

I created a thread: http://www.network54.com/Forum/279501/thread/1209249358/last-1209615545/Coiner+of+the+term+genocide%2C+on+the+Armenian+genocide
Where you can see how Raphael Lemkin coiner of the English term genocide considered the Armenian genocide to be a genocide.

Also of relevance is the following article titled:
Turkey Spends Millions to Cover Up Armenian Genocide
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=935

Looks like the fanatic Turks are ready to spend another $20 million to clean off their bloody feet from their past crimes that stain their country...

@landos: do not let the Turks bury this post of mine in a flame-war which is what they want to do, because I expose their empty rheteoric and propaganda very well.

"Looks like the fanatic Turks are ready to spend another $20 million to clean off their bloody feet from their past crimes that stain their country... "

If they have nothing to hide they would open them, but thats too much logic for you.

According to Law the defendant has rights to exculpatory evidence.

The problem is too many people and countries have interest in propogating this lie.





Mesa Gonna Ownza Turks