I hope that Ghana can keep the dream going though...
Spain 2 -0 France
If I support Israeli's I'm an evil Zionist who loves killing, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
If I support the Palestinian's I'm a dirty Liberal with a self hating conscience that loves death, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
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June 26 2006, 6:01 AM
FORZA I GIALLOVERDI!
I'm hoping that my beloved Socceroos can play to their advantage.
-Using their physicality to work over the sissie Italians
-Better stamina levels (especially if it goes to extra-time
-Better record at penalty shootouts
-More heart
On the flip side, Italy is a much better team from a technical perspective and able to hold onto a lead (all our results have been come from behind), but that is negated by the fact we got ourselves Guus.
Guus > Lippi
Hopefully we can pull off a shock win and progress to quarters where either Switzerland or Ukraine will be cannon fodder for my boys.
CARN THE SOCCEROOS!
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June 26 2006, 5:57 PM
That ref, he invented a penalty right there. If this was an Argentina vs Italy match, he would have left the field in a stretcher, our players would've beaten the crap out of him.
Bravo to Tooti the Italianos played with 10 men and still managed to hold off the Australians. A penalty was given, as Neil made a stupid foul in the 92... Australians were also very keen on making fouls, and they got what they asked for.
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June 26 2006, 6:17 PM
BS Phoebus
That was no penalty...
I want to hear from the Italians. They love to whine about their loss to Korea, let's see how they defend themselves now...
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June 26 2006, 6:25 PM
Quote:That was no penalty...
The Australian guy got what he asked for, he clearly put his body in front of Fabio Grosso, in order to stop him, the rest is history.
Nine Italians held off 10 Aussies, and attacked even in the 92, despite their numerical disadvantage. That calls for our respect, so don't get blind by the fact that you lost your bet. There's always Ghana to loose more money!
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June 26 2006, 6:29 PM
1. I did not bet anything.
2. The Italians were outperformed, it is that simple. I have no reason to be biased toward Australia. You, on the other hand, have reason to be biased toward Italy, a European nation.
"Outperformed?" lol Issa, football is all about strategy.
Look at the numbers man, in none of the basic 4 categories of the match, did the Aussies outperform the Azzuri. Don't give me possession cause Italianos played for 45min with a player less, which says it all
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June 26 2006, 7:16 PM
@ Phoebus
Again, no... Rather then making stupid comments, just settle down and remember it was a dive that won the game, its as if you didn't watch the game. A dive is not a foul. But what can you do, the Ref was good until that one call, and that one call is all that matters.
If I support Israeli's I'm an evil Zionist who loves killing, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
If I support the Palestinian's I'm a dirty Liberal with a self hating conscience that loves death, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
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June 26 2006, 7:31 PM
Quote:Again, no... Rather then making stupid comments, just settle down and remember it was a dive that won the game, its as if you didn't watch the game.
Mate, I did watch the game and gave you the official FIFA numbers for the whole game. And you say "no"?
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June 26 2006, 7:34 PM
Give me shots on target, that doesn't tell me anything... You can state 30 shots, and all could be 6 meters wide.
If I support Israeli's I'm an evil Zionist who loves killing, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
If I support the Palestinian's I'm a dirty Liberal with a self hating conscience that loves death, a product of propaganda and manipulation.
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June 26 2006, 7:45 PM
I don't blame the player, everybody dives, you do what's necessary to win the game.But giving a fake penalty in the dying seconds of a very disputed match, that's a disgrace.
I like Italy a lot, but the way they play is ****, I really hate that kind of football. I hope they reach the semifinals so that we can eliminate them again.
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June 26 2006, 7:52 PM
Quote:I like Italy a lot, but the way they play is ****, I really hate that kind of football. I hope they reach the semifinals so that we can eliminate them again.
We all remember Maradona scoring with his hand, what is you point man? It seems that many of you should respect their football opponents and wait until the final whistle.
My favorite for this Mundial is Argentina, but there are too many serious opponents that we should not understimate.
What about the next game, Switzerland vs Ukraine? I would guess we may see them going to penalties... any suggestions?
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June 26 2006, 8:01 PM
Quote:
We all remember Maradona scoring with his hand, what is you point man? It seems that many of you should respect their football opponents and wait until the final whistle.
That's why I said I don't blame the player, you do whatever it takes to win. Its the ref thats a disgrace giving a fake penalty just before extra time. Italian football is way too defensive, that's why don't like it.
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June 26 2006, 8:16 PM
I think you guys are seriously underrating Ghana, but I still believe Brazil will win just alot closer. Regarding the Italy Australia game i felt bad for the Aussies the Italians go down far to easy.
"Brazil has rediscovered itself, and this rediscovery is being expressed in its people's enthusiasm and their desire to mobilize to face the huge problems that lie ahead of us."
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
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June 26 2006, 8:23 PM
LOL
"Tough?"
Diving is tough, whining about fouls (and getting cheap calls) is "tough?"
Other than Germany and England, European teams are made up of arrogant softies who are afraid to ruin their manicures (hence why Italians keep whining about Korea's victory over them in 2002)!
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June 26 2006, 8:26 PM
We pulled it out in the last 8 seconds, that is f*cking mentally and physically tough. Must hurt ever more, to have a hatred within reach of fulfilment, and to let it slip through your fingers...
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June 26 2006, 8:30 PM
You must be proud of the Australian who idioticly fouled our player in the last 8 seconds in the penalty box...stupid! Bear in mind Italy was down to 10 men against Australia's 11 the whole second half. Our defense is probably the best in the world you must realize.
On FIFAworldcup.com, some independent analysis that praises BOTH teams, and says Italy deserved to win:
'Tactical masterstroke by Marcello Lippi'
26 June 2006
by FIFAworldcup.com
TSG analysis by Alvin CORNEAL (TRI)
Football was the big winner in a game that had all that is best about the world�s favourite sport. It was a match of contrasting footballing philosophies that pitted the hard-running and hard-tackling Australians against the sophisticated and experienced Italians.
The Socceroos impressed with their collective play and enjoyed the advantage in several areas of the field, although they were never able to convert this into clear-cut scoring opportunities. They also had the lion�s share of possession, especially after the sending-off of Marco Materazzi. For their part, the Azzurri demonstrated their traditional strengths. In addition to a highly organised defence, their individual technical skill again shone out.
The match began cautiously but soon burst into life. The �Aussies� were visibly superior, although the better scoring opportunities went to Marcello Lippi�s side, with five clear-cut chances in the first half alone. Though Australia gave their all, it quickly became apparent that they lacked the individual technical proficiency of the Italians.
Following the red card, coach Lippi demonstrated that he is a master of his trade. He made decisive substitutions, changed his team�s tactics and posed the Australians problems that they were unable to solve. His faultless strategy formed the basis for Italy�s eventual victory.
A further crucial factor was the form of Italian goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon. The 28-year-old exuded remarkable composure, made no mistakes and nipped a number of potential Australian chances in the bud. That the Italian goal remained impregnable throughout was down in no small measure to the Juventus shot-stopper, and it was a logical decision to choose the 1.90m-keeper as the Budweiser Man of the Match.
Overall the Azzurri were deserved winners. Although at a numerical disadvantage they followed their tactical game to perfection and created the crucial breakthrough with the penalty award. In this nerve-wracking situation Francesco Totti kept his head and scored the winning goal.
Italy thus won through to the quarter-finals thanks to a masterful tactical performance by coach Lippi. But Australia can go home with their heads high. They had a great tournament and can be proud of both their performances in Germany and their terrific fans.
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June 26 2006, 10:47 PM
I feel bad for Swiss, I was rooting for both teams. Hopefully Ukraine will be dog-tired for their next game. Still, I love the tension of penalty kicks, the Swiss shots were terrible, but that Ukrainian goalee is good.
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June 27 2006, 6:00 AM
Good observation and well pointed out.
His right foot is clearly down then he sees bresciano is going to get to the ball as he looks up and he throws his right foot in the air behind him and takes the fall. After he gets the free kick he just stays with his head on the ground.
Their balls have obviously shrunk from lack of use, and have actually retreated to form some sort of labia like organ designed specifically for winning football matches in the most heinously "wimpering nancy boy" fashion imaginable.
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June 27 2006, 8:39 AM
The diving is quite irrelevent but there is no fault here. The defender threw himself in front the ball, not in between the ball and the opponent. The attacking opponent chose the collision on purpose. Not to mention diving is illegal. That referee was on crack. Just pathetic. The fault was on the italian. That's why I've always said italy is not in the same class as teams like France, England and Germany. You'll never see a frenchman pull some sh!t like that; he'll be loathed in France, while in italy dirty tricks is commonplace. karma is a b!tch.
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June 27 2006, 9:01 AM
FORZA AZZURI
Great from the italians to hold on.The aussies had their chance and they couldnt take it.Fuk,man,played against 10 men for 40 minS but the italains still managed more shots and a lot less fouls.
As for the penalty,well grosso might have made a meal of it,but it was techinally a foul.Like eryz said,neill throw himself stupidly infront of the player.The attacker does NOT have to get out of the way if he is running.Check the rules yourself.
I apolgise for this,but its just to good an oppurtunity.
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June 27 2006, 3:01 PM
Traditionally I am supposed to support Brazil, but just for today, I'm all Ghana. You can say it is my inner need for affirmative action in the world cup. Its always the same group of countries who will win the WC, either Brazil or Germany or Argentina or Italy or Spain or England. 98 was a fluke with France. Also, African teams have lot of potential but never get through. If Brazil does win, then I'm rooting for them rest of the way, but for today its all Ghana.
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June 27 2006, 5:33 PM
Its so sad Ghana is playing a wonderful agressive game but they are unable to get it in, Brasil played two good fast actions and it has the stars to make it ... But not really a change in the tired game of Brasil ...
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June 27 2006, 5:39 PM
This Brazil vs Ghana is definitely the best game I have seen yet in this World Cup. They just redcarded some Ghana player. BS. Whatever, its all Brazil from now on.
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June 27 2006, 7:11 PM
Ghana played some beautiful football.
Football refs are the lowest life forms on earth. Rewarding pussies (Brasilians, Portuguese, Italians, etc.) and punishing fighters like the Ghanans and Aussies. F*** them...
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June 27 2006, 9:09 PM
Quote:Ghana played some beautiful football.
Football refs are the lowest life forms on earth. Rewarding pussies (Brasilians, Portuguese, Italians, etc.) and punishing fighters like the Ghanans and Aussies. F*** them...
I've been watching both Mundial and Euro since the mid 90's (M94, E96), and every looser blames the referees or the weather or the court or the crowd or their bad luck!
Bottom line, Spain and France are playing some really wonderfull football, so do sit down educate yourselves. Did you see the French whinning about the referee's "critical" decision about the penalty?
No, they just moved their arses and Ribery scored a fantastic goal for France some minutes later... That's what football is all about and certainly not whinning and crying like little girls
So lets hope the next half will be as entertaining as the 1st one.
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June 27 2006, 9:22 PM
The teams that get the calls have no need to whine. Hence, the European pussies rarely need to whine. In the rare case that a call does not go their way, they will whine incessantly and go to their grave with a grudge (as demonstrated by the Italians).
FIFA is a mafia. It is more corrupt than even our IRIFF.
And in case I have not mentioned this, f*** Europe and South America...
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June 27 2006, 9:41 PM
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June 27 2006, 10:08 PM
Huh wich bad luck for Spain ?
The only thing i saw is that french action when they miss the ball by 2 :S
I admit in this case i m totally biased, but honestly Spain didn t had so awesome action before the goal, and luck is for nothing in that.
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June 27 2006, 10:11 PM
The next matches will be even better. France vs. Brazil, a rematch of the 1998 Final, and if France and England advance to quarterfinals, France vs England, the greatest rivalry of all. It's just mouthwatering.
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June 27 2006, 10:13 PM
....The next matches will be even better. France vs. Brazil, a rematch of the 1998 Final, and if they advance, France vs England, the greatest rivalry of all. It's just mouthwatering.....
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June 27 2006, 10:16 PM
Quote:Huh wich bad luck for Spain ?
The only thing i saw is that french action when they miss the ball by 2 :S
I admit in this case i m totally biased, but honestly Spain didn t had so awesome action before the goal, and luck is for nothing in that.
I didn't mean bad luck in this particular game. I mean Spain has had bad luck in all their world cup history. On paper they always have a good team, but they're out every time. They're jinxed.
Spain's world cup history
* 1930 - Did not enter
* 1934 - Quarter finals
* 1938 - Withdrew due to civil war
* 1950 - Fourth place
* 1954 - Did not qualify
* 1958 - Did not qualify
* 1962 - Round 1
* 1966 - Round 1
* 1970 - Did not qualify
* 1974 - Did not qualify
* 1978 - Round 1
* 1982 - Round 2
* 1986 - Quarter finals
* 1990 - Round 2
* 1994 - Quarter finals
* 1998 - Round 1
* 2002 - Quarter finals
* 2006 - Round 2
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June 27 2006, 10:17 PM
Vive la France!
What a fantastic game! One of the most entertaining games of this Mundial. I think France has done a brilliant comeback despite all the critisism from the media. I'm excited by Zidane's goal as well, this is the last time we see this great player on the pitch, so he made sure to reward us What a great day for football!
Allez les Bleus! With such a great spirit, it's possible we see those guys in the final... This Mundial is certainly better than the previous, and starts getting a '98 flavour.
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June 27 2006, 10:27 PM
Quote:Phoebus is merely bitter that three non-European teams (two of which were not even South American) advanced to the semi-final of WC02...
Not at all, ask the Turkish members of this forum like NCR, Eddy85 and SAT Korsan, they can verify that I was supporting our neighbours since the very beginning.
You see Issa, I love football to be as biased and small-hearted as you. All I want to do is sit down with some friends and watch an eventfull match Unfortunately though, both of the lads here, bet on Espana, so the mood is not very good at the moment!
PS: Beer was also a crucial constraint in the whole ritual...
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June 27 2006, 10:30 PM
I mean Spain has had bad luck in all their world cup history. On paper they always have a good team, but they're out every time.
Ah okay, i misunderstood. And you are right. I like their team each time, but of course this time i didn t wish they succeed. Anyway, each year their clubs prove hem that they don t have to be sad
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June 27 2006, 10:36 PM
@1453
Europeans hate to see Asian teams excell on a global scale. They gauge how good a tournament is on the basis of how quickly Asian teams were eliminated, and if an Asian team ever does well (as did Korea in 2002), they blame officiating. I want to see Asian teams excell because this would be a slap into the face of these arrogant Europeans!
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June 27 2006, 11:40 PM
"@1453
Europeans hate to see Asian teams excell on a global scale. They gauge how good a tournament is on the basis of how quickly Asian teams were eliminated, and if an Asian team ever does well (as did Korea in 2002), they blame officiating. I want to see Asian teams excell because this would be a slap into the face of these arrogant Europeans!"
Well said brother...well said.
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June 28 2006, 12:48 AM
Quote: I want to see Asian teams excell because this would be a slap into the face of these arrogant Europeans
This is just wishfull thinking; currently the interesting part of the Mundial has just begun. So let us pay attention to reality, rather than "wishes", and for God's sake enjoy football for once !!!
This is a party for all the world, it's pity how some poeple seem to spoil the atmosphere, when everybody is supposed to have fun.
Alors!
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June 28 2006, 12:50 AM
Keep blaming the refs. Like that is going to improve the Asian teams. Clearly, when they got booted out, it means they are missing something...and that's capability. When you're a sportsman, you don't bitch and moan your defeat, you shake hands and congratulate your opponent and vow to try harder next time. GET THE HELL OVER IT.
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June 28 2006, 12:51 AM
Look like the old war horse still got what it takes to take down the raging bull. Feel sorry for Spain; Spain doesn't deserve this, of all nation she had to play France. Well, that's the game, you got to have a winner and a loser, best luck next time.
Next victim = Brazil. Brazil haven't defeated France for 11 years now.
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June 28 2006, 2:21 AM
This tournament has become a joke...
We're at the quarterfinals and not a single underdog left... The Aussies having been knocked out because of a bad officiating and a non-existent PK, and my last hope Ghana lost despite outplaying Brazil for most of the match...
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June 28 2006, 2:40 AM
Well, there's a reason why they're called underdogs. Ghana's performace today was an example, they didn't know how to play the offside trap, and even if they did, anyone knows that tactic against teams like Brazil is suicide.
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June 28 2006, 2:54 AM
Quote:Keep blaming the refs. Like that is going to improve the Asian teams. Clearly, when they got booted out, it means they are missing something...and that's capability. When you're a sportsman, you don't bitch and moan your defeat, you shake hands and congratulate your opponent and vow to try harder next time. GET THE HELL OVER IT.
lol If you haven't even watched the Asian games, I suggest you be quiet. Also, when did we exactly "bitch and moan" about our (Korea's) defeat. It was very obvious that the ref DID make a mistake, and we were merely showing the facts about it. This is nothing compared to some Italians who still doesn't get over the round of 16 match in 2002.
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June 28 2006, 3:24 AM
Europeans hate to see Asian teams excell on a global scale. They gauge how good a tournament is on the basis of how quickly Asian teams were eliminated, and if an Asian team ever does well (as did Korea in 2002), they blame officiating. I want to see Asian teams excell because this would be a slap into the face of these arrogant Europeans!
Issa, that's such bullsh*t, not every action fits into this Europe vs. everyone world view you have. European fans root for their own team just as any other fans do, and they judge how good the tournament was by how their own team did. For Italy, 2002 was a crappy World Cup because of the early exit, losing in a controversial way, and losing to a non-powerhouse team. For Germany, 2002 was probably a fantastic World Cup because they made it to the finals. Europeans don't give a sh*t whether Asian teams win or lose, certainly not based on the fact that they're Asian, only that their team wins.
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June 28 2006, 6:47 AM
"Europeans feel that football is theirs and theirs only. The idea of us sub-humans having any degree of success in this sport is unacceptable for them."
Issa lets be sensible, sub-humans? Wait..oh yeah 60 years ago. And where does it say its ours? Sounds like bitterness to me.
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June 28 2006, 7:25 AM
It's the fault of others if there is the Iranians were the worst team of this tournament of course...
The answer is: yes!
Listen, when European football players enter on the field, its to beat the other side and put his face in the grass. That's a breaking news for you isn't it? If you don't like it because it's too painfull, invent another sport.
Like allah praying world championship, suicide bombing, oil assisted stupidity etc...
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June 28 2006, 7:31 AM
To the Frenchman:
1. Iran was not the worst team of the tournament:
Quote:The worst teams of the 2006 World Cup ended up at the end of their groups. Costa Rica, Trinidad & Tobago, Serbia & Montenegro, Iran, United States, Japan, Togo, and Saudi Arabia makeup the worst teams of the tournament.
The headlines show that of the eight teams, Serbia & Montenegro with no points and a goal difference of -8 was the worst of the bunch. Iran, United States and Trinidad & Tobago all had 1 point and a goal difference of -4. Iran and United States scored 2 goals while Trinidad & Tobago was kept scoreless. And one of United States two goals was an own goal by Italy's Zaccardo. So Iran can be crowned as the best of the bunch based on the headlines. But behind the headlines, we can find more evidence supporting this conclusion.
The number of shots attempted by the gang of eight varied from the lowest of 21 by United States and Serbia & Montenegro to 30 by Iran. Iran also led with 19 shots on goal, by far the best. United States only managed 4 shots on goal which is by far the worst. The other six managed between 7 to 12 shots on goal each. When calculating the shot accuracy, we find that Iran had the highest shot accuracy of 63 percent. United States had the lowest shot accuracy of 19 percent. The others varied from 32 to 44 percent in shot accuracy. Based on these statistics, Iran was not far from many teams who qualified for the next round, including Mexico with 34 shots, 18 shots on goal and 53 percent shot accuracy.
On average ball possession per game, the percentage varied from the lowest of 38 percent by Serbia & Montenegro to the highest of 51 percent by the United States. Iran had the second lowest ball possession of 41 percent. Considering how little Iran had the ball, it is amazing that they managed as many shots as they did. Iran’s competitors Mexico, Portugal and Angola managed 40 shots on Iran and 22 shots on goal.
A review of FIFA's ranking of the teams before the start of the World Cup identifies United States as the most disappointing performer of the eight worst teams. Coming into the tournament ranked 5th in the world, the average ranking of its competitors was 21. In fact, United States was the only team in the worst eight that allowed two lower ranked teams in its group to qualify for the next round. Serbia & Montenegro had the toughest average competitor ranking of 15 while Costa Rica had the easiest average competitor ranking of 29. The average competitor ranking of the rest varied from 20 to 24.
Iran matched the average rank of its competitors and perhaps based on that, it should have done better. But at the end, lack of warm-up matches, injuries to key players and less than average club experience finished them off too early. Iran ended at the last of its group, but among the worst, it proved to be the best.
2. "Allah" is perceived by you Frenchmen as some type of "Muslim" word. However, seeing that "Islam" is not a language, this cannot be so. A Christian or Jewish Arab will say "Allah" just as would a Muslim Arab, whereas an Iranian would not say "Allah," as the Farsi term for God is "Khoda."
3. Please note who first dragged politic into this equation.
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June 28 2006, 7:37 AM
no its no not at all
as long as the other team is not playing England I will support them if I like them, Ghana I was rooting for as well as Australia and Japan.
As long as they play good football is all that matters to me, I have slated Brazil becuase they disapointed me, I also expected a lot more from Iran and you also disapointed Issa.
Korea performed well, just unluck next time depending on the group they will get further
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Re: Italy - Australia, Swiss - Ukraine, Brazil - Ghana, Spain - France
June 28 2006, 9:48 AM
may I remind to the whinning Koreans that against France the referee refused a goal while the ball clearly crossed the line, let alone multiple invented offside.
If there is a conspiracy it would be in favor of Asian team since Asia is the biggest future market of football.
Now STFU and learn to play.
Back to football: it's fair to note that the referee of the France-Spain match was excellent despite he gave a severe but justifiable penalty against France.
Now Brasil turn
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Re: Italy - Australia, Swiss - Ukraine, Brazil - Ghana, Spain - France
June 28 2006, 4:05 PM
Quote:may I remind to the whinning Koreans that against France the referee refused a goal while the ball clearly crossed the line, let alone multiple invented offside.
If there is a conspiracy it would be in favor of Asian team since Asia is the biggest future market of football.
Lol dude, not even your French team complained about it during the game. Even Viera said after the game that he wasn't sure about it during the game because it happened so fast. He realized it after the watching the replay. Do you think the referee was able to instantly notice it? All the replays show from an above view, but from a ground view, you don't have a clear perspective to view whether the ball crossed the line or not.
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