In an article entitled “Voluntary Bulgarization”, the Serbian newspaper “Politika” comments on the process of acquiring Bulgarian citizenship by Macedonian people.
The Bulgarian side does not want to give precise data on the number of Macedonian citizens who have received Bulgarian citizenship and depending on the political needs the state institutions in Macedonia's eastern neighbor publish different data, claims “Politika”.
The manipulation of the data about the number of Macedonians with Bulgarian citizenship is part of the political propaganda and the official position of Bulgaria that there is no Macedonian nation.
The Macedonian side is already not so sensitive on this issue mainly because the Bulgarian citizenship is acquired by Macedonians who do not take into consideration the political connotation of their action, writes “Politika”.
The big dispute between Sofia and Skopje died away after a dozen of Macedonian politicians and current members of the parliament took Bulgarian citizenship, writes the Serbian newspaper and gives as an example Lyubcho Georgievski.
The article says that according to unofficial data around 3000 Macedonians study in Bulgaria and nearly all of them have Bulgarian citizenship because of the advantages it gives.
It is unofficially said that among those who have become Bulgarian citizens, there are many Albanians from Macedonia, who got the Bulgarian passport as “businessmen” or by marrying a Bulgarian, concludes the newspaper.
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A zoshto ne razgovarate tuka za ova tema, tuku ke mi pretate vo Makedonskiot forum? Shto e rabotava, ne vi chini vashiot forum za gjubrishte da frlate? Ajde, ako vi vazhi tolku ova rabota pa togash tuka da mi brborite bez vezi za da vi mozham da vi vratam, a ne da mi se odnesuvate kako pichki, rabzbravte?
Da zhivee Makedonskiot Narod!!!
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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Dear fellow moderators on the Balkan forums,
Please refrain from unauthorized interfering with my posts here.
We all have exactly the same rights and obligations on this forum.
I do not interfere with your posts on the Balkan forums although I quite often disagree with them. I would like to be treated in the same civilized manner.
Kind regards,
Carla
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Dear Komitaji,
It is obvious to me now that it was you who deleted my post on the Macedonian forum.
Since the article in question refers to Macedonia and Bulgaria I would be interested to hear comments from both sides.
Rather than indiscriminately deleting my post please present your interpretation of that rather controversial article. (Please note, I marked the heading of that article with a question mark).
I count on your understanding and a full respect for freedom of speech on the Balkan forums.
Saluti di Londra
Carla
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You posted the article on both forums yet the Bulgarians respond in the article which is posted in the Macedonian forum rather than their own.
I see this is a childish provocation. Furthermore, given the fact that the article was virtually ignored by the reading public, it served no purpose, nor is it really relevant.
So, let it remain in the Bulgarian forum.
DA ZHIVEE MAKEDONIJA I MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD, NEKA KLECHAT TIE NA LEVO
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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Nekoi Hora Neko sichki iskash, hehehe, ajde be bugarche zaebano, ushte mi se lutish bre srce, lol. Chjakam te u Ohrida grada be kopiljache
Carla, as it is obvious that you are unable to converse like a person but rather opt for the choice of parroting your statements word for word each time, consider yourself irrelevant in the Macedonian Forum.
The greek and serb forums limit your idiocy, so will the Macedonian forum, period. You are not worthy at any efforts at dialogue.
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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As a moderator on this forum I leave your obscene post unedited as an evidence of your inability of engaging in any reasonable debate with people who do not share your views.
To make things worse the content and tone of your posts as well as actions clearly indicate that morally and emotionally you are not fit to remain as a moderator on the Balkan forums. I hope that sooner rather than later your irresponsible behaviour will draw attention of Zetaman.
I would like to remind you that proving your point with a deleting key brings moderating let alone debating to the lowest common denominator.
I have no further comments until Zetaman intervenes and determines rules of engagement/interaction between so called "single forum" moderators and myself.
Kind regards,
Carla
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Ke mi se izvinis batka, duri po kolena ke mi se molis kako piceto sto si, hehehehehe
Carla, how paradoxical of you when you state that you have nothing left to say on the issue yet you keep re-posting the same article on the Macedonian Forum. Get a life.
AND
LONG LIVE MACEDONIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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Dear Komitaji,
I remind you once more that as moderators on this forum we both have exactly the same obligations and rights.
Only Administrator as the owner of this forum has right to delete or tamper with other moderators' posts. As you noticed I personally have never deleted/tampered with any of your posts ON ANY FORUM despite the fact that I could have done it on many occasions. I personally despise such totalitarian methods. In my opinion Balkan peoples need painful at times but very honest debate/dialog regarding their place in the contemporary ever changing world. This article is very conducive to that dialog.
Please respect my post as much I respect yours.
Since this controversial article refers to Bulgarian-Macedonian relations I consider it to be relevant to the both forums.
If you continue your irresponsible behaviour to your fellow moderators - personally appointed by Zetaman - you will further undermine your moral and intellectual right to remain a moderator on the Balkan forums.
Kind regards,
Carla
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Carla, carla, I thought you have nothing left to say? Is this not what you said? These forums are dying and are virtually dead, without the Macedonians on the Macedonia Forum, and likewise for the others, you would not have the forums. Now it is my turn to say to you, that I am done talking with you
Go and post shiptar stats for Italy, go on, give yourself a purpose greater than irritating the Balkan people
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
This message has been edited by Dr.Johnson on Feb 26, 2008 1:31 AM
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Ispor and Komitaji, ajde malko po-spokojno. Znam, 4e ne e lesno. Ostavete go toia forum za malko ako triabva. Kato gledam ne vodite nikakav konstruktiven dialog. (to s niakoi hora vyobshte ne moze da se wodi dialog taka ili ina4e)
A vistinata e kazhvash koga velish deka so nekoi ljuge vobshto ne se razgovara, kako onie ljuge sho ne si gi priznavat komshiite i Slavjanskite si Brakja, kako vie na primer. Taka e, da?
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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nerazbrano dete na nedohranena majka,kojato raboti naj starata profesia,toa deka koeficienta ti na inteligentnost kloni kam 0 se dalzhi na fakta che piesh tvrde mnogo junashko mleko ot ljuboven muskul,koeto vzemash ot nekoi tvoi srbski gazda.
doktore a sega da vida dali she mi iztriesh mnenieto.hahahaha
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Nemoj bre, ne e dobro taka da se zbora za majka si, odamna znaime deka kurvice ti e, ama vaka ne treba da e vregjash, od istoto mesto kaj shto izleze beshe i tvojata hrana kako maloleten, hehehe, aj sega doktore, brishi brishi sichko, hahahaha
Za nea nie se borime, za nea nie umreme, Makedonija, 20 Juli
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Dear Bulgarian co-moderators,
Please, leave Komitaji's post unedited as a evidence of his moral and intellectual inability to conduct any civilized debate let alone to remain a moderator on the Balkan forums.
I believe sooner rather than later his uncivilized behaviour will draw attention of the Administrator.
Many thanks,
Carla
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On Monday morning, April 21, local journalist Victor Kanzurov was arrested in the Macedonian capital of Skopje.
Kanzurov is the first man who announced openly in Macedonia that presently there are living people who determine their own status and feel like Bulgarians.
Until now Victor is suspense, his relatives has no information about his detaining and where he has been taken, nor why.
Bulgarian authority is about to start immediate measures in front of Macedonian authorities for finding and releasing of Victor Kanzurov.
Can anybody give me a Macedonian side of the story ?
Regards,
Carla
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The night before the battle of Plataea at 479 B.C. a horseman left the Persian camp and hasted towards the Greek allied camp with a message:
"Men of Athens, that which I am about to say I trust to your honour; and I charge you to keep it secret from all excepting Pausanias, if you would not want to bring me to destruction. Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery. Know then that Mardonius and his army can not obtain favourable omens; had it not been for this, they would have fought with you a long time ago. Now, however, they have determined to let, the victims pass unheeded, and, as soon as day dawns, to engage in battle. Mardonius, I imagine, is afraid, that if he delays, you will increase in number. Made ready then to receive him. Should he however still defer the combat, do you abide where you are; for his provisions will not hold out many more days. If ye prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Greek cause. To acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians. I am Alexander, the son of Amyntas, king and leader of the Macedonians."
After the victorious battle of the allied Greeks against the Persians in the battle of Plataea at 479 B.C. an Aeginetan man went to Pausanias, the leader of the Spartans, to counsel him to do a deed of exceeding wickedness:
"Son of Cleombrotus, what thou hast already done is passing great and glorious. By the favour of Heaven thou hast saved Greece, and gained a renown beyond all the Greeks of whom we have any knowledge. Now then to finish thy work, that thine own fame may be increased thereby, and that henceforth barbarians may fear to commit outrages on the Grecians. When Leonidas was slain at Thermopyles, Xerxes and Mardonius commanded that he should be beheaded and crucified. Do thou the like at this time by Mardonius, and thou wilt have glory in Sparta and likewise through the whole of Greece. For, by hanging him upon a cross, thou wilt avenge Leonidas, who was thy fathers brother."
And then Pausanias answered:
"My Aeginetan friend, for thy foresight and thy friendliness I am much beholden to thee: but the counsel which thou hast offered is not good. First hast thou lifted me up to the skies, by the praise of my country and my achievement; and then thou hast cast me down to the ground, by bidding me maltreat the dead, and saying that thus I shall raise myself in mens esteem. Such doings befit barbarians rather than Greeks; and even in barbarians we detest them."
Herodotus Histories (9.78) and (9.79)
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Is Father of Macedonian Nation Bulgarian ?
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May 5 2008, 5:55 PM
The diary of Krustio Missirkov was presented yesterday in Skopje and its content agitated the Macedonian society.
The edition encompasses the period July 5- August 30, 1913 and is the result of the joint efforts of the Macedonian state archive and the Bulgarian state agency “Archives”.
The diary was discovered at the end of 2006, it is written in Russian and presents the author in a completely different light. The Bulgarian belonging of Missirkov, which is emphasized by the Bulgarians and denied by the Macedonian historians is being confirmed.
Missirkov's analyzes from the period July 5- August 30, 1913 contradict with the ideology he adheres to decades later. Because the person considered as “father of the Macedonian literary language” defines himself as “Macedonian Bulgarian”.
The reviewer of the diary prof. dr. Vlado Popovski, cited by “Vreme” newspaper explains Missirkov's positions immediately after the end of the Second Balkan War:
“He presents Bulgaria as martyr, who has undertaken the biggest burden from the war with the Turkish empire, it is a country that sacrificially heads to the realization of its national ideal for the unification of the Bulgarian lands, in which apart from Thrace, Missirkov includes also Macedonia. In the context, he presents a range of statements with which he justifies the Bulgarian interests in Macedonia and calls the Macedonians Macedonian Bulgarians. Accusing Russia of unfaithfulness and coarse nationalism, which has been frightened by the Great (San Stefano) Bulgaria, Missirkov recommends to it (Russia-ed.) at least to call for autonomy of Macedonia as a transition solution to unification with Bulgaria.”
Popovski, however, confesses the need for exploration of the contradictory texts but believes that the pro-Bulgarian statements in it are beneficial for Macedonia. According to him, the position is the result of the time and the political condition – at that time the Great Powers do not support the existing of a separate Macedonian nation and state.
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