It was the official policy of the Romanian Govn't from 1920 - 1990 to Romanianize Magyar Sur Names to minimize the Magyar population in the official census . Refusal was met with severe retaliation . Open any phone book in Erdely and you'll see thousands of examples . Szabo - sabo , Szilagyi - silagi , Nagy - naj , Szeles - seles Etc. Etc. Etc. Total population of Magyar or people of Magyar origin in Erdely excede 3 million .

i guess you forgot the fact that before 1990 romanians in hungary were allowed to use their romanian names only on graves

we must speak first about the change of Romanian names, made by Magyar authorities, during the 18 and 19 ceturies, and even the Hortist occupation of Transylvania.A proff of this changes are made by the Romanian tendency to baptise those children with latin names - almoast an inertial protection phenomen of national identity.
Relative to so coling "Romaniazation of Magyar Name" I have some doubts.May be was some inertial change - some magyar with bigger moral flexibility- a kind of opportunism relatif to those needs for power and other advantages.

Quite today you can observ, traveling through the region lived by Magyars, a good prezervation of customs, traditions, language,etc.During the communist regime they had a good demografic growing...These are not .. consequences of a bad treatment.They are still exist.. in a good "shape". This affirmations are proved, too, by different studies and statistics.

The only -zation was bozgorization, conducted against European peoples under the ill-famed Austro-Bozgorian empire. Due to the fact that Bozgoria existed for only about 400 years before being transformed into a Turkish pashalik, after 1867 bozgors tried to reinforce their Asian habits in Transylvania, an old European blessed land. During 1867 and 1918, bozgors imposed a ferocious policy to bozgorize every non-Asian inhabitant, but they concentrated upon the only autochthones within the region. Every Romanian family chose to name and baptize their little European children with Latin names, so that bozgors could not even try to bozgorize and make ugly the names of their children. After all, every European agrees no other language in Europe sounds uglier than the bozgorian tongue. Forcibly bozgorization failed and will ever fail.

Transylvania was, is and will always be Romanian, Latin and European!

Dixit!

BTW, WTF is naj!

Hungarian names are very different from Romanian names, so it is impossible not to see that sabo is not a Romanian name, or Bela, or Mattyas. So what kind of Romanization is that? I havent heard about Hungarians called Popescu Vasile

Vasile is a Greek name from the greels who migrated to Romania before and during the Turkish occupation.

It never occurred to you Ungaro that every people writes his history in the way it advantages him.

I have here an example in Canada where English History Books are totally different from the French History Books.

In what you say I find some exaggerations, especially when you claimed that avars, huns and magyars are the same. There are Hungarians historians who claim that between those tribes there is no direct connection! Oops, it ever occurred to you that Hungarians might not be the center of Universe?

About the romanization of Hungarians names, Hungarians did the same thing for centuries.

Hungarians actually obliged Romanians to convert to catolicism. Have you ever heard about “Union Trium Natiorum” (The Unity of the Three Nations) ? Through this Act passed after 1437, Transylvanian society was divided into three privileged nations, the nobility (mostly Magyars), the Szeklers, and the Saxon burghers. The Romanians who were Orthodox, having the right to own land or access to nobility only through conversion to Catholicism, thus they were only tolerated by this system. However only few Romanians succeeded in entering the ranks of the nobility after converting to Catholicism.

Magyarization of Romania names :

A key figure to emerge in Transylvania in the first half of the 15th century was John Hunyadi, who was of a Magyarized Romanian family. Hunyadi was awarded numerous estates and a seat in the royal council for his services to Sigismund, King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor. After supporting the candidature of Ladislaus III of Poland to the throne of Hungary, he was rewarded in 1440 with the captaincy of the fortress of Nándorfehérvár (Belgrade) and the voivodship of Transylvania. His subsequent military exploits against the Ottoman Empire brought him further status as the governor of Hungary in 1446 and papal recognition as the Prince of Transylvania in 1448. John Hunyadi was also the father of Matthias Corvinus of Hungary.

15th century was John Hunyadi, who was of a Magyarized Romanian family.

There were NO Romanians in the 15th century LOL

You should learn more history. I suggest you objective sources (not necessarily Hunagrain history text books)

John Hunyadi was born somewhere about 1400 in a noble Wallachian family, settled down in Hungary. His father Vaik worked for king Sigizmund as the chief court officer, managing state administration as well. For a long time the family used to be called “the Wallachians”, but in 1409 Vaik received the Transylvanian citadel Hunyad as a present and the family began to use the name of Hunyadi. Because of many posts he occupied, young John Hunadi enlarged his horizons to a state and even European scale. At the end of 1430 he joined Sigizmund, who was striving for being crowned the Rome Emporer. In 1433 he knighted John into his court knighthood. In 1436 John took part in Sigizmund’s Czech campaign and became a member of the King’s Council.

In his struggle against the Ottomans, John entered Serbia up to the vicinities of Belgrad, where he defeated bey Issa’s army. In the middle of March 1442 bey Mezid committed outrages near Dulafehervar (Transylvania). Hunyadi arrived there only a few days before and his weak army was first defeated on March 18, but on March 22 he made up on the leaving Turks and beat them at the Iron Gates. Hunyadi’s new victory raised a wave of enthusiasm and hope in the whole Christian world because it was the first great victory of a European army over the Ottman one.

In 1443 Hunyadi gathered an army, prepared for an aggressive war, and on July 22 set off southwards to join Vladislav’s campaign. In August 1454 Hunyadi protected Serbia and made Mehmed II to raise the siege of Smederevo. In 1456 he stood at the head of the army, besieged in Belgrad and defeated the Turks. He died of plague on 11.08.1456 in Belgrad.

Ungaro. Take this. Mentions about Romanians in Transilvania made by (ooops !!!! ) Hungarians !!!! Ouch, this must hurt for you, who probably learned a cosmetized history at school.



- at the end of 13th century the Hungarian chronicler Simon de Keza writes his chronicle "Gesta Hunnorum et Hungarorum" / "The History of Huns and Hungarians" in which he highlights the Latin origin of Romanians and the continuity of the Roman element: "Pannonie, Panfilie, Macedonie, Dalmacie et Frigie ciuitates, que crebris spoliis et obsidionibus per Hunos erant fatigate, natali solo derelicto in Apuliam per mare Adriaticum de Ethela licentia impetrata, transierunt, Blackis, qui ipsorum (Romanorum) fuere pastores et coloni, remanentibus sponte in Pannonia"; "Postquam autem filii Ethele in prelio Crumheld cum gente Scitica fere quasi deperissent, Pannonia extitit X annis sine rege, Sclavis tantummodo, Grecis, Teutonicis, Messianis et Ulahis remanentibus in eadem, qui uiuente Ethela populari seruicio sibi seruiebant" (see Szentpetery's "Scriptores rerum Hungaricarum", I, p. 156-157, 163). Excerpts from Simon de Keza's chronicle are also to be found in "Chronicon pictum" (1358) where there are also hints about ancient Roman vestiges in Transylvania - "....vlachis qui ipsorum coloni existere ac pastores remanentes sponte in Pannonia" (Ch. 6, "Fugat nationes"), and in 15th century later chronicles "Chronicon Posoniense", "Chronicon Dubnicense", and "Chronicon Budense".

- another source is "Descriptio Europae Orientalis" / "Description of Eastern Europe" written in 1308 by a French anonymous writer and conceived as a information mean for Charles Robert of Anjou and Charles of Valois, the former a claimant for the Magyar crown and the latter for Constantinopol Latin Empire's. The Romanians are described as descendants of the Romans: "Notandum (est hic) quod inter machedoniam, achayam et thesalonicam est populus ualde magnus et spatiosus qui uocantur blazi, qui et olim fuerunt romanorum pastores, ac in Ungaria ubi earnt pascua romanorum propter nimiam terre uiriditatem et fertilitatem olim morabantur. Sed tandem ab ungaris inde expulsi, ad partes illas fugierunt; habundant enim caseis optimis, lacte et carnibus super omnes nationes...". Thus he suggests the Romans' descendants took refuge in Transylvania, where they remained thereafter. (see also O. Gorka's foreword to first edition of "Anonymi descriptio Europae Orientalis", Krakow, 1916).

yea,yea, I know his history. Father vajk, an olah,( not Romanian) mother, Erszebet a Magyar. He considered himself Magyar, champion of Magyarorszag.

Olah = Romanian (in case we didn't know, but I think you knew it already).

The origins Ioan has come to life in a ramanian nobiliary family in the 1387 (or 1400 after some source). Ioan was the son of Voicu, ( Vojk in magyar, Vajk in english), who was the son of the Ion Corbu pretendent to the throne of Litovoi (formely north of Oltenia). Vicut took the name Hunyard(Hunedoara) when he recived the dominin and chateau Hinyad (now Hunedoare in Romania, Vajdahunyad in Magyar language) frm Sigismund, the hungarian king, in 1409. Ioan’s mother, Erzsebet(Elizabeta) seemed to be a derived member from Morzsinay . The epithet Corvinus(Corvin), jus as Ioan(Iancu) is know and call by romanians, is adopted by his son Matthias, the future king of Hungary.

Ooops, I've found an interesting paragraph on this site (an Hungarian one, of course) written by Hungarain authors :

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/transy/transy09.htm#Heading9

"The ideologues of each nation were eventually to deny the other nation's right to existence. The struggle for national supremacy in Transylvania was to be buttressed by all sorts of myths and outright lies, usually based on the primitive argument of "who was there first," as if ethnic groups who have lived on a territory for nearly a millennium could ever be regarded by anyone as "newcomers."

So, I some way, these authors recognize that Romanians lived for nearly a milenium in Transylvania. Interesting, hmmm...

By the way, how do you comment that ?

"The Persian geographer Gardizi's treatise entitled "The Jewel of Histories" was written during 1049-1053 (according to A. Decei) or in 1094 (according to V. Minorsky). Gardizi, describing the ethnical and political reality of Eastern Europe, mentions "a nation from the Roman Empire (az Rum); and they are all Christians (...) and they are more in number than the Magyars...(LOOOOOL) " (see V. Minorsky, "Hudud al Alam", London, 1938, Gibb Memorial Series). "

or that :

"In 1426 Rinaldo degli Albizzi ("Ambasciatore Fiorentino presso la corte del Re d'Ungheria") enumerates the nations living in Eastern Europe: "Lingue in Schiavonia, che hanno terre e ville di per se, et prima: Unghari, Tedeschi, Chiavi, Vallachi habent quasi Romanam linguam..." (see V. Makuscev's "Monumenta historica Slavorum meridionalium vicinorumque populorum e tabulariis et bibliothecis Italicis", I/1, Warszaw, 1874, p. 530). No doubt that the Italian diplomat learnt at Buda about the resemblance of Romanian language with the Roman / Latin one, and that he refers in his statement to the Transylvanian Romanians especially, and to the Romanians from north of the Danube in general."

"there was also news to be learnt about the Romanians from the English chronicler Ranulphus Higden (1280-1363). In his work "Polychronicon" (printed much later, in 1865, in London), page 172, describing Pannonia, he reveals this detail that its inhabitants were driven away (to Transylvania) by the new-comers (cf. also Fest Sandor, "Anonymus angol forrasai"/ "Anonymous' English Sources", in "Egyetemes Philologiai Kozlony", 1935)"

LOL Here is my comment

The Hungarians defeated the Bulgarians and took possession of Transylvania .

938 A.D.

Byzantine historians gave detailed account of CSANAD and GYULAFEHERVAR (today Alba Julia) as strong Hungarian forts and prosperous cities in Transylvania. The name "Gyulafehervar" was even translated into Greek by one of the authors as "The White Fort of Gyula", explaining that Gyula was the name of the "Eastern Chief" of the Hungarian tribes.

946 A.D.

Byzantine documents mentioned for the first time the presence of the SZEKELYS in the Eastern-most tip of Transylvanial describing them as one of the Hungarian tribes settled there as border guards, within well organized military districts called "Szek" - chair or seat, referring to complete administrative and judicial power vested into their own chiefs. These privileges of the Szekelys were recognized later by the Hungarian kings also.

952 A.D.

By compiling all available data, Greek historians gave the first account of the migration of the Magyars (Hungarians) into the Carpathian Basin. According to this account, the Hungarians followed the trail of

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their brother-nations, the Huns and the Avars, moving first from the Volga-region into Etelkoz, then expanding slowly in a Westerly and south-westerly direction as far as today's Moldova, and finally crossing the Carpathians through three different routes, while a forth unit, in alliance with the Byzantine forces, attacked the Bulgarians at the lower Danube, took possession of the fertile lands between the Danube river and the Southern Carpathians or Transylvanian Alps, and joined the rest of the nation at the Iron Gate: a gorge cut by the Danube through thc mountains, south of the Great Hungarian Plain.

976 A.D.

Greek chronicles (Kedrenos II. 435. Ed. Bonn.) mentioned for the first time the name VLACH, describing a people of primitive herdsmen located between Kastoria and Prespa, near today"s Albanian border, who centuries later became the ancestors of the Rumanians. The name RUMANIAN was created only after the unification of Vlachia (or Wallachia) with the principality of Moldova in 1878.

978 A.D.

Vatican missionaries establish a church in the fort of "Varad" later called "Nagy-Varad" today Oradea. Reports sent back to Rome by the same missionaries described the small tribe of the JAZIG" who spoke "almost the same language" as the Hungarians, and was supposed to be living in the same region long before the Hungarians arrived. The descendants of the Jazig, called today "Jasz", can still be found on the Great Hungarian Plain, west of Nagyvarad. They are the only recorded inhabitants found by the Hungarian settlers in the Carpathian Basin, including Transylvania, except a few scattered fragments of SLAVS, who became assimilated within a few decades, and completely disappeared, leaving behind nothing more than a very few and widely scattered geographical names.

AND

GYULAFEHÉRVÁR The Bishopric Cathedral of Gyulafehérvár (Alba Iulia, Rumania today) was founded by Saint Stephen I (1000-103 , the first Hungarian king, in 1009. The original building was erected in in romanesque style using the foundations of an older church, but was finished in gothic style in the 12th century. This cathedral, the Saint Michael church, became the center of the Archdiocese of Transylvania, and also, the residential town of the Hungarian princes and governors of Transylvania.
In 1277, Saxon troops cracked down on the church, while it was having the morning service, with 2,000 people inside. Most of them were killed and the cathedral set on fire.
János Hunyadi (1446-1456), the great Hungarian fighter against the Ottoman onslaught, the Savior of Christianity, rebuilt and extended the church in the 1450's. It went through renovation again in 1671, by Mihály Apafi, Hungarian governor of Transylvania; between 1908-1918, by the Hungarian government, and in 1970, by Hungarian architect Lajos Bágyuj, but the Rumanian government stopped the work, because, after all, the Bishopric Cathedral of Gyulafehérvár is a crucial Hungarian historic, cultural and ethnic monument in Transylvania.
The cathedral has served as a burial place for major Hungarian historic figures. In the aisle of the church can be found the red marble sepulchre of János Hunyadi; his son, László Hunyadi; Transylvanian king Sigismund János (1559-1571) and his mother Queen Isabel; Friar György; Transylvanian Prince Gábor Bethlen (1613-1629); and György Rákóczi I. (1630-164 .

Also for those who think Hungarians named Kolozsvar after cluj


The city of KOLOZSVAR, meaning the "Fort of Kolozs" (today called Cluj-Napoca by the Rumanians) with a population of l67,687, was established in 987 A.D. by Kolozs, commander of the Hungarian armies of the East. The city became for many centuries the administrative capital as well as the cultural center of Transylvania.


Yea you were the first...Ha Ha Ha Ha

Read more, anonymous vlach


The Tartar invasion" led by Batu Khan, swept through Hungary. King Bela IV lost the battle of Mohi, and fled to Austria. After the Tartars left, the king returned in 1242, and began to rebuild the devastated country. Several districts, especially on the Great Hungarian Plain, were left without population, making it possible for Serbians, Vlachs and Slovaks to seep into some of these empty lands, and establish a few scattered settlements.

1247.

New Vlach refugees gained permission to enter the Hatszeg and the Maramaros districts in Transylvania.

1253.

Guillaume Rubruquis" French envoy to Bulgaria described the empire of

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Zar Michael Aszen as "reaching from the Danube river to Konstantinopel, including Vlachia in lhe lower Balkan Muuntains." Vlachia therefore still existed at that time on the Balkan, under Bulgarian domination, while those Vlachs who tried to move Northward by crossing the Danube, fell under the rule of the Cumans.

1290.

Three Hungarian landowners in the Transylvanian districts of Hunyad and Feher received permission from King Andras III to bring in some Vlach laborers "from South of the mountains."

1291.

The Assembly of Gyulafehervar recognized the Transylvanian Vlachs as a "nation"" with rights equal to other member nations under the Holy Crown.

1314.

After the downfall of Cumania, the Hungarian king Charles Robert incorporated two Vlach principalities (voievodines) "across the mountains" into the "lands of the Holy Crown". The two new principalities were named MOLDOVA and WALLACHIA.

1358.

Mark, royal archivist wrote in his chronicles concerning Transylvania: "lt is the richest part of the Hungarian Kingdom" where "Hungarian and Saxon (German) cities bloom with industry and commerce, while the fertile lands of Hungarian farmers produce good wine, fat cattle, and plenty of grain for bread. High upon the mountains Vlach herdsmen tend to their sheep, and bring down good tasting cheese to the market-places . "

1385.

A new influx of Vlach immigrants was settled into the Szilagy district, establishing ten villages on the royal estate of Aranyosmedgyes.

1443.

Under the leadership of Janos Hunyadi, Duke of Transylvania, the combined armies of Hungarian, Polish, Bosnian and Serbian Crusaders defeated the invading Turks, and Serbia was freed. A.B. Yolland writes in his book "History of Hungary" Chapter X, page 64: "Hungary was indeed fighting the battles of Christendom, and the admiration of the Christian World was lavished on her soldiers." (See Bibliography.)

1456.

Janos Hunyadi won a second victory over the Turks at Nandorfehervar (today known as Belgrade). In order to commemorate this decisive victory of Christianity over the Pagans, the Pope decreed that all church bells were to be rung from then on each day at noon, throughout the Christian world.

1458.

Mathias Corvinus, son of Janos Hunyadi, was elected king of Hungary. Under his rule Hungary again became one of the great powers of Europe. His birth-house in Kolozsvar (today Cluj-Napoca) was honored as a national shrine until the Rumanian occupation of Transylvania in 1919.

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1471.

The first book in the Hungarian language was printed by a Transylvanian Hungarian printer.

1505.

Vatican census estimated the total population of

This is a Hungarian source. Romanian and Hungarian source should not be viewed as reliable because both are subjective.

I do not say (as many Romanians do) that Hungarians theories are totally wrong. I think there were Vlach immigration from South but also there were already Vlach people in Transylvania when Hungarians settled (those shepards mentioned by your source, who were roaming from Bulgaria to Poland in the Early Middle Age). My opinion is that when you’d started building cities in Transylvania, Vlachs (those who were pushed in South by Serbians and those whore were living on the highlands come and settled near Hungarians settlements. Until that moment, Transylvania was a large forested area, suitable only for breeding sheeps. Yes, I give you that fact that Hungarians "civilised" Transylvania. (Romanians will kill me for that ) but I also think it is a bit exaggerated to pretend that Hungarians were the first here. Gesta Hungarorum and other foreign sources contradict this.

Try to take a look at this source (by an English historian) which tries to make a bridge between the 2 theories (daco-roman continuity in Transylvania and vlach immigration from South).

http://www.friesian.com/decdenc2.htm

If it is too long to read, here is his conclusion is : "(...) both Romanian and Hungarian nationalists are, after a fashion, correct. There was continuous Daco-Romanian occupation of Transylvania, and there was migration from what had been Roman Moesia, south of the Danube."

If the Romanian names were Bozgorized by the Hungarians, and now Hungarian names are bozgorized by the Romanians, aren't we ALL huge big BOZGORS?????

WTF are you saying??? you sound retarded

Ungaro, did you tell me to get a life on the bg forum?


traitor.

The mere fact of having a Hungarian or Romanian name doesn't say a lot about the bearer's national origin.
I am Romanian, but my ancestors (from Bihor/Bihar county/varmegye) had mostly Hungarian, or rather Magyarised names, such as Ille Janos, Marinka. However, they would not think of themselves as Hungarians, since they spoke Romanian at home and, confessionaly, they did not belong to what was seen as the traditional Hungarian churches:Roman-Catholic or Reformed. They were Orthodox and, perhaps, at a certain moment, Greek-Catholic.
However I strongly dissaprove of the Romanian authorities changing the names of persons or places for nationalistic reasons. I know that it happened that some villages (to be fair, this abberant phenomenon is not restricted to Transylvania) were given completely arbitrary names, instead of retaining their old names:Avram Iancu for Mocirla, Prunisor for Kertes/Cherchis, Joia Mare for Kokaro/Cacarau etc. This is nonsense. Giving patriotic names such as "Avram Iancu", "George Cosbuc".
"Stratford upon Avon" has not been renamed "William Shakespeare". It would have happened, most certainly, had it been in Romania.

TOTAL MAGYARISATION

Motto : “..Forget about the conventional lie in accordance with the fact that we don’t want to kill the NON-Hungarian minorities. Yes ! We want to kill them !“ – it was said by the Hungarian writer Kosztenszki Geza in 1893 according to Felix Leseur in the newspaper “La Republique Francaise / The French Republic” on May 25th, 1893, and according to the American writer Milton C. Lehrer in “Ardeal, Romanian Land”, Bucharest 1944, p. 33.

I’ll start this text making a parallel between the Bible and “Gesta Hungarorum / The Deeds of the Hungarians” by Anonymus (1190 d. C., magister P., the King Bela III’s secretary). Probably you’ll ask yourself “why ?” Well, there is a resemblance between the Bible and “Gesta Hungarorum” concerning the invasions of the Israelits and Hungarians into foreign countries, where the autochtones have to suffer the “mild” tyrany of the new comers. Therefore, I don’t want to be misunderstood, I’am writing about the way the invaders took control on foreign countries only, acctually a classical way. Would be this resemblance the result of a great attachment to the European Christianity or the fruit of an absurd conviction that the Hungarians have been predestined by God Himself to dominate the people in the South-Eastern Europe and to..”civilize” them ??
Regarding the Hungarian “civilization”..I rather leave place to the Romanian writer Radu Theodoru in “The Attila’s Successors”, Ed. Miracol, 1999, page143 :”The civilization, superior Hungarian culture argument is lost right from the beginning. If 8.500 years ago a sedentary civilization was built up and spred over the whole continent, if here was the primary habitat of the Aryans and their Vedes (see the 4 Hindi holy books – 1.800 B.C., related to the Buddha’s revelation. The author, and he’s not the single one, states that the migration took place starting from the Carpathian region to Asia and not viceversa how is the official version) it is really ridiculous to state that the assassin migratory tribes which used to eat horse raw meat softened under the saddles, ran over us in the years 900 and call themselves civilizated and having a superior culture while they borrowed even the alphabet from the Vlachs.”
Talking about “horse raw meat softened under the saddles”, I cann’t stop myself mentioning that the “famous” Hungarian menu was nothing else but horse and sheep meat, mare milk, wild steppe grass, fish and poor venison. That’s all ! Most of the time, the meat was consumed..raw ! Yes, the author is right, they used to put the meat under the horse saddles (used as a..refrigerator) to have it for their long plunder trips. Can you imagine the smell of that meat ?..hot weather, horse sweat, dust, insects, Hungarian budos farts..Bon apetit, “civilized” Hungarians !
And now, here is the parallel between the Bible and “Gesta Hungarorum / The Deeds of the Hungarians” :

LAND TO CONQUER –
Bible : Numbers 34 : 13 :”So Moses commanded the sons of Israel, sayng, “This is the land that you are to apportion by lot among you as a possession, which the LORD has commanded to give to the nine and a half tribes.”
Gesta : cap. 50 – About the Pannonia’s Devastation / De deuastatione Pannonie :”The duke Arpad and his solders,.. climbing the mountain and seeing the beauty of Pannonia, they got quickly glad,..”

SPIES –
Bible : Joshua 2 : 1 -2 :”Then Joshua the son of Nun sent two men as spies secretly from ****tim, saying, ‘Go, view the land, especially Jericho.”
Numbers 13 : 2 : “Send out for yourself men so that they may spy out the land of Canaan, which I am going to give to the sons of Israel.”
Numbers 13 : 17 :”When Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan,..”
Gesta : chap. 25 – About the Tuhutum’s prudence / De prudentia Tuhuti : ”And Tuhutum, a wary man, has sent a certain sly man Ocmand (Agmand), the Opaforcus’ father (Apafarkas) to inform secretly about the quality and fruitfulness of Ultrasilvania and what kind of people are the autochtones and if is possible to make war against them.”
Chap. 35 – About the Nitra fortress / De Nitria ciuitate :”..near the Sytua (Zsitva) River, the second day they sent a few spies known as courageous to cross the Nitra River (Slovakia) and to spy ,..”
Chap 36 – About the spies sent by the Dukes / De speculatoribus missis a ducibus :”When the spies sent by Zuard and Cadusa have..”

RICHNESS OF THE COUNTRIES TO CONQUER –
Bible : Numbers 13 : 27 :”Thus they told him, and said, “We went in to the land where you sent us; and it certainly does flow with milk and honey, and this is its fruit.”
Gesta : chap 25 – About the Tuhutum’s prudence :”And after he returned, he told to his master a lot about the land’s fruitfulness (Transylvania) : that the land is flowed by the best rivers, and their names and use already have been mentioned, that the gold flows in the rivers’ sand, and the gold from that country is the best in the world, that the salt and salted materials can be extracted, and that the country’s habitants are..”
Gesta : chap. 26 – How they marched against Gelu / Quomodo contra Gelu itum est :”Learning about the richness of that country (Transylvania), Tuhutum sent his messengers to Arpad, to ask permision to cross the forest and fight against Gelu.”..

BOOTY -
Bible : Numbers 31 : 26,27 : “You and Eleazar the priest and the heads of the fathers’ households of the congregation, take a count of the booty that was captured, both of man and animal; and divide the booty between the wariors who went out to battle and all the congregation.”
Gesta : chapter 46 – About the Moger Harbor / De portu Moger : “They richly and brightly party (is talking about the “duke Arpad and all his nobles, together with all Hungary’s solders”) together with all invited guests. The duke Arpad shared land and properties to the guests..”
The Painted Chronile of Vienna / Chronicon Hungariae Pictum – 1358. At this site : http://hungart.euroweb.hu/english/zmisc/miniatur/14_sz/kronika/1/inici_08.html could be seen a miniature showing how the Hungarians dividing the booty took from the autochtones. Are you amazed ? For Hungarians, stealing from the others is an act of national pride ! The master of the site is inviting the visitors to send this picture as a..postcard to his friends. No comment !

THEY GIVE NEW PLACE NAMES –
Bible : Numbers 11 : 3 :”So the name of that place was called Taberah (The Burning), because the fire of the LORD burned among them.”
Numbers 11 : 34 :”So the name of that place was called Kibroth-hattaavah (the Greed’s Graves), because there they buried the people who had been greedy.”
Numbers 13 : 24 :”That place was called the valley of Eshcol (Grape), because of the cluster which the sons of Israel cut down from there.” – what is really interesting here is that the spies sent by Moses in to Canaan is that they give new names BEFORE they even conquered the country !
Numbers 21 : 3 :”And the Lord heard the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; then they utterly destroyed them and their cities. Thus the name of the place was called Hormah (Total Annihilation).”
Joshua 5 : 9 :”Then the Lord said to Joshua, <Today I have rolled away the reproach of Egypt from you.> So the name of that place is called Gilgal (the crumble) to this day.”
Judges 2 : 5 :”So they named that place Bochim (those who cry); and there they sacrificed to the Lord.”
Judges 18 : 12 :”And they went up and camped at Kiriath-jearim in Judah; Therefore they called that place Mahaneh-dan (Dan’s Camp) to this day.”
Gesta : chap. 12 – How they entered Pannonia / Quomodo Pannoniam intrauerunt :”..after they arrived, the first conquered place was called Munkacs, because they spent a lot of efforts to get in to the wished country.” – Note : the word “munkacs” is of Old Slavic origin, in Hungarian “munka”, in Romanian “munca”. Today, the city of Munkacs = Munceag (in Turkish Romanian) = Mukaceve (in Slovak) and Mukachevo (in Ukrainian) is to be found in Ukraine, about 40 km from the Hungarian border.
Chap. 34 – About the Gron River and Borsu fortress / De fluuio Gron et castro Borsu :”Borsu took a look to the around mountains and decided to built up a very strong fortress on the mountain pick, which was called after his own name,..”
Chap. 40 – About the victory of the Duke Arpad / De uictoria Arpad ducis :”.., the Hungarians called in their language Scerii, because here the kingdom’s problems found an end.” - Note : Scerii = Szeri is a place on the right bank of Tisa River.
Chap. 44 – About the Danube Island / De insula Danubii / :”And he named a Kuman as the leader of the coachmen, and his name was Sepel. From that Sepel - the coachmen leader, the island took its name till our days.” Note : Sepel = Csepel is an island formed by two branches of the Danube River.
Chap. 46 – About the Moger Harbor / De portu Moger :”..they crossed the Danube River. And the place where they crossed the river was called the Moger Harbor,..” – Note : Moger = Magyarrev, a ford between Pest and Buda.
“..And then Kurzangave the order to call that fortress after his name,..”

Thinking I gave enough exemples, I would like to express a conviction : Anonymus (magister P.) intentionally followed a Bible „literary” skeleton for his chronicle. My assertion is reinforced by an introductory detail from The Painted Chronicle of Vienna -1358 (Chronicon pictum, Marci de Kalt, Chronica de gestis Hungarorum found in the Austrian Imperial Library’s archives and donated to Hungary), where the compilator author Marc Kalt makes an ample and direct reference to the Bible, having a first chapter titled “About the Hungarians’ Origin in concordance with the Holy Script”. He states that the Hungarians are originated from..Noah through Magor (the name „Magyor” is originated from this Magor) the son of Japhet son of Noah !!
The Hunagrian historian Haraszti wrote a history of Transylvania based on the same skeleton, starting his work from the..Genesis.
It looks like the unreal opinion of the Hungarians to be the “civilizators” of the Eastern Europe with the Popes’ permission, leads to abominable results.

Lets go back to more recent periods and to let the proofs of the Romanian people’s magyarisation by the “civilized” Asians who took shelter on our regions for the millennia misfortune of my hard-tried nation.
I would recall that in 1879 (the Trefort school laws during the Government of Tisza Kalman) and 1883 was compulsory implemented the Hungarian language in the Romanian elementary education, and in 1880 some chapters and texts with reference to the Dacians and Romans as well as the Romanian Princes have been removed from the Romanian reading books; they have been replaced by whole chapters from the Hungarian history. Later, the Csaky Istvan Law - 1891 introduced the Hungarian language even at the Romanian kindergarten level..to "..arouse and develop into the children’s souls the feelings of union to the Hungarian country and the consciousness of being a Hungarian nation, as well as the religious and moral thinking way.." (!?!) It was an avalanche of anti-Romanian laws promoted by the “civilized” government which wished our spiritual death. It didn’t succeed ! We are Romanians !
In 1868, just 1 year after Transylvania became a province of Hungary (the Ausgleich - 1867), it was introduced the Hungarian governmental education. The Hungarian language has been introduced as a study object in all religious schools, associations, public and private organizations..”..non-Magyar population of the Kingdom was subjected to Magyarisation in the period between 1867 and World War I.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyars
The Hungarian writer Kostensky Geza wrote in 1893 :”We have to do anything it takes to assimilate the national minorities, otherwise we’ll die; tertium non datur (there is no other possibility)”.
The Hungarians’ hysteria to magyarise the minorities which formed the Great Hungary was so huge that they elaborated laws which imposed the spiritual crime over the culture of those who formed the Hungary itself. Today, it is imposed to us as well as the Holocaust by the Governmental Emergency Ordinance 31/2002 (March 31, 2002) – supported by the Gypsy-Jew Marcel Ilici Ivanovici called Ion Iliescu, imposed as president by Russia, USA, France, Israel and England as a result of the “fall of the communism” according to the Plan accomplished in 1989.
The Hungarian historian Laszlo Makkai in “L’Histoire de Transylvanie / The History of Transylvania”, Budapest, 1946, Ed. Athenaeum SA is telling us at page 330 : “..since 1873 it was started the foundation of governmental primary schools, even in areas inhabited by minorities, where the Hungarian language was the only one in use. They were not too many. In 1914 out of 15.020 primary schools in Hungary, only 3342 belonged to the government.” – that is 22,25 %. If the Hungarians think they are that numerous in Romania at 7,5 %, then 22,25 % primary governmental schools in Hungary of the year 1914, would mean somehow “they were not too many” ?
In 1897 was promoted the “Changing the Place Names Law” ! Oh yeah, the Hungarian authorities were changing the Romanian villages, cities and railways stations names into Hungarian names (see “The Golden Book” by Teodor V. Pacatian, vol. III, Sibiu, 1915.). So I request to any person who cry over the poor Hungarians to better take information about the fact that they did it right from their arrival in Europe ! If the Romanian government replace some place names it was just the return to normal.
The next year was issued at Budapest (the city of Budapest exists since 1873 only ; it was made up from 3 neighboring cities : Buda, Pesta and Obuda : see http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/slavs.html) the second edition of “Hogy Magyarositksuc a vezetekneveket ? / How to Magyarise the Patronymic Names ?” signed by the President of the “Central Association for the Names Magyarisation” printed at the Imprimery of Pesta, A(nonymous) S(ociety ). As a motto the work has this text : “Noblesse oblige, but also the name”. In other words the Hungarian “nobles” had to show their aristocratic status, and by their “great” generosity they have to “raise” the Romanian names “without” aristocratic essence, therefore they have had to be magyarised !!
The author of the mentioned work made some SILLY (Hungarians can’t more then that !) suggestions to the Transylvanian minorities as follows :
- add letter “i” to your living place; e.i.: Arad – Aradi, Bekes – Bekesi, which will become a family name. Letter “i” used as a suffix is the equivalent of “of” in English (see Simon KezaI = Simon of Keza, the author of the medieval “Gesta Hunnorum et Hungarorum / The Deeds of the Huns and Hungarians” – 1285).
- choose a name according to their profession; e.i..: Acs (carpenter), Barbely (barber)
- choose his own ethnic name, but must be magyarised; e.i..: Bajor (Bavarian), Gorog (Greek), Horvat (Croatian), Tot (Slovak), Olah (Romanian from Wallachia), Moldavy (Romanian from Moldavia) – In a travel book, I found a „Hungarian” photographer called ..Albert Moldavy. Also onother two „100 % Hungarians” called Fogarasi István and Moldován István, (that is Stefan Fagarasanu and Stefan Moldovan) participating to the translation of „Gesta Hunnorum et Hungarorum” by Simon of Keza on the Internet - elektronikus kiadás – see web site :
http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/tarsad/tortenel/mo_kozep/kezai/kezai.mek.
And because the „Made in Hungary” fun was not enough „funny”, the Hungarian authorities have forced the minorities to seal (!!) their application with a 50 „krayczari” tax stamp, „kreuzer” (in German), „craitar” in Romanian.
The honest Hungarian politician and writer Dr. S. Fenyes was stating in „Revisionist Hungary”, 1935, Budapest, page 119 :"The Hungarian historians started 6 - 7 decades before the beginning of the WWI (1914 - 1918) TO FALSIFY THE HISTORY, following without doubt the exemple of the German contemporans, they started to demand the right that ALL AUTOCHTONES INHABITANTS of the occupied territories have died or they have BEEN MAGYARISED and none of them left descendants to continously live on their ancestors land after the arrival of the Hungarians." – As you can see, even this Hungarian writer accepted the fact that my people have been Magyarised, without mentioning the other autochtones !
Huszar Antal (real name Hoerskovitz = Jew), the author of that huge report of 977 pages printed at the Hungarian government’s request in SECRET COPIES ONLY („A Magyarorszagi Romanok / The Romanians in Hungary”, Budapest, 1907), made some recomandations to supress the Romanian culture : „strict, hard and systematic control of the choral and orchestral activities looking for the ASTRA’s break out, and before that, the association must change its name as follows „Cultural and Literar Society of the Romanians in Hungary”, the anihilation of the ASTRA’s provincial branches, liquidation of the ASTRA’s libraries, bowdlerizing the libraries of all nationalist books..burdening the issue of the Romanian newspapers and considerably increasing the bail..”– Radu Theodoru in „The Attila’s Succesors”, Ed. Miracol, 1999, pp. 47-48, 25.
To counterbalance the ASTRA’s activity in Transylvania, a Hungarian society has been created EMKE, and in Banat DMKE, both of them sponsored by the Hungarian government by millions of crowns. With those huge funds have been rised Hungarian schools in Romanian villages, and to the Romanian professors they promissed considerable prizes for spreading the Hungarian language among the Romanian students !
The British Lord Fitzmaurice wrote in 1890 :”..The Hungarians conduct a blind and violent policy against the minorities under the Hungarian Crown, but mostly against the Romanians. In Transylvania, the Hungarian provocative attitude against the Romanians could genetate trouble from one day to another.” – see G. Moroianu in „The Romanians’ emancipative struggles in Transylvania in the European concept”, Buchuarest, 1929 and Parlmall Gezette, 1890.
The British General Consul in Budapest, Arthur Nichelson, was writing in a report to his Foreign Affairs Minister in June 1891 :”..The Transylvanian Romanians’ complains are determinated first of all by the magyarisation of the schools supported from the Orthodox Church’s funds..Their requests to open high-schools are still unsolved and since 1868 there was no gymnazial school opened.”
Among the realistic Hungarians, I would recall Mocsary Ludovic, the President of the Hungarian Party for Independence (from Austria) who wrote in 1907 :”..A terrible fear pushes us to commit extravagant actions. I’m talking about the general tendency to MAGYARISE..We vainly want to deny all these, for this is the ill-wish which live inside us and represents one of the essential elements which lays at the bottom of our policy regarding the nationalities.” – „Egyetertes” Newspaper, nr. 306 on December 25, 1907, according to Radu Theodoru in „The Attila’s Succesors”, Ed. Miracol, 1999, p. 48.
The Hungarian ill-minds have give birth to another little terrible „baby” by creating some orphanages where over 4000 children (Romanian, Serbs, Swabbs) have been MAGYARISED at Halmi, Debrecin, Szeged, Torokszentmiklos, Cluj, Sibiu and in the Szekely towns. Moreover, the Hungarian „civilizators” prepared the obligation that all Romanian children to be rised by the Hungarian government from a certain age, as the Turkish Janissaries had been during the Ottoman Empire.., but the start of the WWI in 1914 put an end to this evil plan imaginated by the un-Europenized migratory Asiatic Hungarians.
In April 1907, the Hungarian Parliament issued (despite the huge popular Romanian demonstration at Blaj on March 10, 1907) the school laws suggested by the Hungarian Education Minister, count Albert (Bela) Apponyi (born 1846 in..Vienna.., it looks like his parents didn’t like to much Buda-Pest !! <”budos” = stinky, and „pest” in some European languages means „plague”, so the city could be called : Stinky-Pest. Couldn’t be a better name for it !! God never uses a stik to punish His subjects !> and died in 1933 in Geneva, Switzerland !! Obviously, he didn’t also like to live among his own people !), laws which were looking to annihilate over 500 religious Romanians as well as Serbians and Slovakians. He said :”..In a few years, this law will annihilate all the un-patriotic schools..” – according to Lazar Triteanu in „Our School 1850 – 1916”, Sibiu, 1919. It’s pretty clear which are those „un-patriotic” schools, isn’t it ?!
The Romanian writer Gligor Popi confirms in – „Romanians from the Serbian Banat in 18 – 20 centuries”, chap. II, p. 109 : ”The Appony school law, promolgated in 1907, ensured the teaching of the Hungarian language in the elementary schools of the minorities (as a matter of fact, since 1897 the Hungarian language was a compulsatory study object in the non-Hungarian schools, and the non-Hungarian children had to learn the Hungarian language as well as the Hungary’s history).”
And Dr. Victor Tircovnicu wrote in „The Romanian schools in the Serbian Banat 100 years ago (1868 – 1880)” in „Contributions”, vol. II, p. 199 :”During the next period (1880 – 1918), when the presure rised for the desnationalization of the non-Hungarian nationalities, the Romanian communities make efforts to keep the Romanian language schools.” – according the same Gligor Popi, p. 120.
The Romanian village Petrovasila (Vladimirov) in the Serbian Banat (originally its name comes from two leaders Petru and Vasile, merging it became Petruvasile and has been Slavized in Petrovosello (Petru village). After the Hungarian laws have been inplemented in 1897 it became „Roman-Petre” – Dr. Gligor Popi in „Romanians from the Serbian Banat in 18 – 20 centuries”, Ed. Libertatea – Pomciova, 1993, p. 260.
In „Defending the Great Romania – The Romanian Army Campaign 1918 – 1919” by Dumitru Preda, Ed. Enciclopedica, Bucuresti, 1994, we can read at p. 81 :”The German military reports revealed in the same time that <the Romanians in Hungary are opressed in multiple ways>, the goal of the Budapest Government’s policy being the MAGYARISATION by all means.” – 1915.
Our old acquaintance, the Hungarian senator and writer Dr. S. Fenyes was telling us at page 82 of his work „The Revisionist Hungary” – 1935 : „It is absolutly sure that a large number of the Hungarian nobility with Transylvanian specific names is of Romanian descendance. Romanian origin have the barons Josica, Dragffy (Dragos), Majlat, Bornemisza; the families Banffy and Bethlen have also Romanian blood. O daughter of the captain Voicu (the father of Iancu de Hunedoara whose son Matei Corvin became „the most noble and glorious figure in the whole Hungary’s history” – the same S. Fenyes, page 82) married a Szekely from the royal house; another one married a Dengelegi. Among the Bethlen descendents is the Prince Moise Szekely.”
At page 83 is written about the Transylvania’s Prince Ciupor (Nicolae Ciupor voevod of Transylvania 1468 – 1472 in partnership with Janos Pongracz) Magyarised Miklos Csupor :”Like the Hungary’s King Matei (Corvin), the voevod Ciupor of Transylvania was the descendant of a Romanian captain from the military guards.” The note 34 is to be added at page 239 :”Ciupor himself, the voevod of Transylvania, was a captain descending from the Romanian military colons; beeng a noble, later he became a voevod (Prince).”
During the unificatin of the Romanian feudal states (13th century), the Hungarian Kings used to respect the ethnic particularities of the Romanians and they ensured (in documents) them a „Terra Blacorum / the Vlachs’ land” as they did to the Saxons and Sekelies colons : „Terra Saxonum / the Saxons’ land” and „Terra Siculorum / the Szekely’s land”.
For sure you don’t know, just because you don’t want to know, but the first Transylvanian Parliament which met on March 11, 1291 (time when the documents were still written in Latin, actually it happened also in Hungary until 1848 when the MAGYARISED Jewish Slovak Lajos Kossuth decided to switch to the Hungarian language), presided by the Hungarian King Andras / Andrew III (1290 – 1301) was mentioned that the Romanians’ position in Transylvania was still normal : they had the same social position as the Saxon and Szekely nobles WHO IMMIGRATED to Transylvania. Regarding the Hungarians, they are NOT mentioned as living in Transylvania yet : „cum universis nobilibus, Saxonibus, Syculis et Olachis” (En.: “with the Saxon, Szekely and Vlachs assembly”) - Zimmerman-Werner in “Urkundenbuch zur Geschichte der Deutschen in Siebenburgen / Documentary book about the Transylvanian Saxons history”, vol. I, Hermannstadt / Sibiu, 1892, p.177, while another document issued in Buda(pest) mentions the Hungarians, because they were living in THOSE regions : “universitas nobilium Ongarorum, Siculorum, Saxonum et Comanorum” (En.: “the Assembly of the Hungarians, Szekely, Saxons and Kumans”) – July 29, 1292.
Gradually, the Hungarians transformed the Romanian autochton population into a slave mass who revolted in 1437 because the local Catholic Bishop (Hungarian, of course) asked taxes from the Orthodox Romanians for the Catholic Church ! The Hungarian nobility lost the battle and the Peace Treaty has been signed at Manastur, near Cluj, and the Treaty was stipulating that the Romanians have the right to remain „a separate social class” with its own leaders who have the duty to „represent and protect them and their judicial status was the immunity”. – Simion Mehedinti in „What is Transylvania ?”, 1986, Romanian Historical Studies, Miami Beach, FL., SUA, p. 82.
Of course you don’t know, just because you DON’T WANT TO KNOW, but the Romanian nobles in Transylvania have been forced by the Hungarian authorities to convert to Catholicism and to be MAGYARISED just to keep their noble titles and territories. Here are some exemples. The first one is by the Hungarian historian Laszlo Makkai in „L’Histoire de Transylvanie / The History of Transylvania”, Budapesta, 1946, Ed. Athenaeum SA, page 112 :”The Bishop (Gyorgy Lepes)..in 1436, invited the Franciscan Italian inquisitor Giacomo Marchia to come to Transylvania. Helped by the Bishop’s solders, he proceeded to a severe cleavage starting by a forced convertion to Catholicism of the Romanian serfs of Greek-Orthodox confession.”
The next exemples are from „The Romanians from the Serbian Banat in 18 –20 centuries” by Dr. Gligor Popi, Ed. Libertatea – Pomciova, 1993, chap. II, p. 9 :”At the beginning of the XIV (1301- my note) century the Arpadian dinasty ended and the throne is gathered by the members of the French family of Anjou. The first King Charles Robert of Anjou found himself in Timisoara during 1313 – 1318 period. Being a Catholic, he started the convertion action of the <unfaithful Vlachs> to the Catholic confession. First was converted the high class whom he promissed noble titles and functions. In the XIV centry we find a list in Banat about the papal tax containing the names of some Romanian villages, without catholic people living there, just a catholic priest and a feudal lord.
..The King Louis d’Anjou the Great (Lajos I, 1342 - 1382), a Catholic fanatic, ordered in 1366 to chase away the Orthodox priests from Caras and Cubin counties, spreading by force the Catholicism.” – according to „Documents regarding the Romania’s History, C. Transylvania, XIV century”, vol. III, pp. 221-248, documentul 56.
I need to mention that the WHOLE Banat was called „Vlaska” (Wallachia in Serbian) during the Turkish occupation (1552 – 1716), and the Serbian historian Dusan J. Popovic considered that this name could be translated by „cattle farmers”..therefore Romanians ! The Banat was incorporated to Hungary in 1778 – 1779 only, excepting the border counties : Caras, Timis and Torontal. – „The History of the Timis Banat”, Timisoara, 1926, p. 109 by Fr. Griselini.
The family of the noble Mailat (mentioned in the 16 century, together with the Bornemisa noble family became Bornemisza, had a major role in the political life of Transylvania) has been catholicized and MAGYARISED (Majlat) together with his brother-in-law Nadejde, became..Nadasdy..A certain Stefan Mailat (Istvan Majlat) became the voevod of Transylvania in 1534 – 1540, sharing the throne with another Romanian noble Andrei Balasa (Andras Balassa) during his last rulig year. Another Romanian followed the previous voevod, Baltazar Bornemisa (Bornemisza) bearing the rank of generalisim 1540 – 1542. There was also a voevod Bartolomeu Dragffy 1493 - 1499 (a descendant of the wellknown Maramures voevod Dragos, MAGYARISED Dragffy).
Laszlo Makkai brings as an „argument” of the Romanian immigration into Transylvania (page 71) a document without name, date or place, showing that the King Laszlo IV (1272 – 1290) aproved „60 Romanian families” to settle down on the royal domains. I just wonder myself, if there has been mentioned the moving of 60 families in the Alba Iulia area (Gyulafehervar = the White City of Julius; Gyula is not a Hungarian name brought from Asia, but the MAGYARISATION of the local chief name : Julius / Iuliu ! <see also Nicolae = Miklos, Stefan = Istvan, Ileana = Ilona, Gheorghe = Gyorgy, Bucur = Bokor, Costin = Kosztin, Lupu = Lupuj, Nistor = Nyisztor, Olteanu = Oltyan, Stoica = Sztojka, Lungu = Lunguj, Radu = Raduly, Craciun = Karacsony, Gabriel = Gabor, Elisabeta = Erzsebet, Matei = Matyas, Andrei = Andras, Krimhilde – Hilde – Ilde – Ildiko - Ildi, Franz = Ferenc, Albert = Bela, polish Janusz = Janos, Ladislav = Laszlo, etc., etc.), why there is no mention about the „mass immigrations” (page 71) and the „immigration wave’s succession” (page 77) of the Romanians into Transylvania as the Hungarian historians continously state, including L. Makkai ?
At page 78 we find out that „In 1359, 6 MEMBERS of a noble family from Wallachia, MAGYARISED Rekasi, have settled down in Banat and they got from the king 13 villages for their suite.” What kind of name those Vlachs could bore to become some MAGYARISED „rekasi” ? These „historians”, as most of the Hungarians, love to make themselves known as liers and stupid (Where God put nothing inside the head, how can we ask something ?). Let me explain myself : he was writting about a „noble family from Wallachia” while just a few pages earlier (page 74) was saying : „There was no possibility of social stratification at this nomad people, where everybody was a shepherd.” Obviously, Makkai is a „smart” Hungarian like most of them since „everybody was a shepherd” among the Romanians, but how come there was also a „noble family from Walalchia”..? Let him alone, his is just a Hungarian ! No brain, no pain !
There is no proof in any historical documet of Vlach MASS IMMIGRATION into Hungary despite the statements of the most Hungarian historians who put on the table some „proofs” (like the little Ungaro does too) showing an invasion of the Romanians. On the other hand, any historical Atlas or book treating the subject is mentioning the Hungarian MASS INVASION in Europe : Ukraine, Pannonia and Dacia. And the most important proofs of the presence of the Romanians on that land are..the Hungarian chronicles !!
It is also clear that the city of Bistrita (see also Banska Bystrica in Slovakia) founded by the Slavic people (as many other ones) arrived on our land due to the large migrations (bistrita = „clear” in Slavic languages) has been MAGYARISED into Beszterce, as well as the fortress of Satu Mare in Szatmar..but the Romanians are accused of changing the „Hungarian names” after 1920.
The MAGYARISATION of the Romanians in Transylvania started as early as 1366 ONLY while the King Lajos I the Great (1342 – 1382) issued an edict regarding the previous matters. The MAGYARISATION of the Romanians is still actual in Hungary while 33 % of the Romanians living in Hungary have no idea that they are Romanians despite the fact that they bear Romanian names ! Another 33 % are really aware about being Romanians, but they don’t speak anymore the Romanian language even if they bear Romanian names. Unfortunatelly, the rest of them are totally MAGYARISED. Is there a single Hungarian living in Romania who’s not aware about being a Hungarian ? Romania didn’t romanised the Hungarians living on its territory just because the Romanians are not..Hungarians, thanks God,..and the real proof of my statements is you, a brainless Hungarian, a loser ! As a live proof is the Hungarian names of the Hungarians living in Romania, otherwise o certain „Istvan Farkas” would have become „Stefan Lupu”
„..On July 19, 1711 in Turda, according to a decree, all the Romanian inhabitants who refused to convert to Catholicism and leave the Romanism, have been forced to leave the village” – page 262 in „The Lucretiu Patrascanu Group’s Odyssey” by Anton Ratiu, vol. I.
The Hungarian historian Laszlo Makkai recognized the MAGYARISATION of the Romanians, but he tries to find an explanation saying that it has a „self-defence character” against the „Romanian irredentism, even that was a natural result of the Daco-Roman ideology”. He admited that the Ferenc Deak Law - 1868 remained a dead letter because the „Hungarians were not that agreeable to implement it” and the „state system was becoming more and more a MAGYARISATION instrument” adding the excuse of „the chauvinistic pressure manifested among the Hungarians”.
„Insight Guides : Hungary”, 1998, Ed. APA Publications Ltd. writes at page 49 :”On the other hand, the MAGYARISATION didn’t find a good field among the ethnic minorities : Romanians, Slovaks, Serbians, Ruthenians, not even among the Croatians relatively pretty assimilated. They started to ask for national rights having support from the strong orators and the time spirit. Similarly, the German nationalism started to increase because of the Vienna’s Mayor, dr. Karl Lueger.”
Not even the Germans had a better life next to you, despite the fact that they were subjected to the shameful act “Unio Trium Nationum” – September 1437. Here is an example of the “help” accorded to the German kids in schools :”It happens that the county Judges and the Public Notaries confiscated maps having place names written in German; the schools where the German students were encouraged to speak German have been accused of being unfaithful to the state; by efforts, all ended up to undermine the relationships with Germany and the High-School education.” – Franz Teutsch in “Geschichte der Siebenburger Sachsen / The History of the Transylvanian Saxons”, vol. IV, p. 103.
The German journalist and writer Hans Muller was saying in 1931 about the German minority in Hungary before 1918 :”Just a few more years of Hungarian domination and the Germans would have been completely destroyed by the MAGYARISATION rush.”
Keep this in your empty brainwashed head, Ungaro : EVERY land palm in what you call „Hungary” is STOLEN land from the European autochtones ! EVERY historical Atlas mentions this truth between its pages ! Hungarians are just some nomadic Mongolian tribes which invaded Europe and TERRORIZED it for more then a „millennia” !
Before I’ll close up this text, I recall the words of the French historian Lucien Musset (1921 – 2004) :”FROM INTELLECTUAL POINT OF VIEW, THEY (Hungarians) BROUGHT NOTHING TO EUROPE.” – Pay it attention Ungaro and try to understand why Europeans think this way about you Hungarians ! Take a look into a mirror and see youself..get a condom and just slide it over your head, LOL ! You Hungarians could be called without fear of making any mistake the „LOL NATION”.

Motto : “In times of general lie, saying the truth is a revolutionary act.”- Eric Blair called George Orwell (1903 – 1950)
LOL, here is my comment too : There is no question that you are a grimmy stultufied little Hungarian who refuses to read my texts, but who wants us to read yours. The progress develops through the dialog, but you are not open to such an intelligent way of communication, willing just to impose your own opinion as your ancestors did for a “millennia” against the FOREIGN MAJORITY in the Great Hungary (1842 - 63 %, 1867 - 58,35 %, acc. to the Hungarian statistician R. Kossuth and 56,07 % in 1891). You guys did it for a very long time and I suffer and shudder just thinking to my people living under the occupation of some barbarians like you. Not even after 1100 years the Hungarians are not aware of living on the most civilized continent of this planet, and having the chance to live among us, the Europeans, as a nomadic Mongolian tribe which terrorized and still terrorize us.
You just became the subject of the Danish proverb :”Who ever wants to say the truth, finds its gates closed.” – it’s exactly your case, I foud your gates..closed ! Moreover, it’s written on them : „LOL PROST”.
Yes, I read your comments and they brought me..nothing new, NOTHING NEW, just the same Hungarian bulls**t for the last 200 years (which is not even original, but copied from 3 Germans – see my text “Hungary was never a state”). I would award you the first prize for inventing the “copy machine”, because you people copy everything since you left your Mongolian steppes and headed to Europe, being totally unable to CREATE something original. You copied the social and military life to the alphabet and the way of dressing as Europeans do. Go to the Eger area, in the Hortobagy Great Hungarian Plain, and watch the “Hungarian traditional costumes” of those horse riders who try to impress the tourists.
A string of exemples telling that some Vlachs have been accepted in Transylvania during the last 800 years, DO NOT PROVE AT ALL that we weren’t PRESENT HERE when the nomadic Hungarian tribes arrived in Europe 896 A.D..There are documents also saying that the Romanians left Hungary and Transylvania to move to Wallachia, Moldavia, Serbia or Bulgaria because of the harsh rule of the Hungarian nobles..As a live proof I can recall the Csangai people from Moldavia..and that still is not a proof that they “invaded” Romania as you guys say about the Vlachs.
Here is another example : because of the tyranny of the Transylvanian voevod Istvan Bathory, Romanians and Hungarians have had to leave their land and run away to Moldova and Wallachia. The Saxons and the Sekels sent a complaint (1485) to the Hungary’s King :"Part of your Majesty subjects have ploughed and sown in Moldova and Wallachia; they have abandoned your Majesty’s lands and decided to run away because of the excessive tyranny of the Transylvanian voevod."..and they never claim that they have been invaded by the Transylvanians.
Just use your brains..oh, sorry, I forgot that you people don’t have such a noble godlike gift.
Did you ever hear about the Hungarian historian Gyorffy Gyorgy ? Well, he built up a map (“Anonymus Terkep”) according to the Anonymus chronicle “Gesta Hungarorum – The Deeds of the Hungarians” – 1190 A.D., and we “surprisingly” see what everybody knows : the Hunagrian tribes arrived into Pannonia DIDN’T OCCUPIED Transylvania, except for the Zobolsu, Thosu and Tuhutum’s incursions along the Somes Valley to Satu Mare (lat. castrum Zotmar) "And after a 3 days fight, besieging the fortress they won the victory..” – chapter 21.
Later they rode down the Somes River reaching Zalau. Before arriving to Alba Iulia (Gyalu var) in the Gelou Field (Gyalu Foldje) where a ROMANIAN KING was rulig by the name of..IULIU „DUCEM BLACORUM / the Duke of the Vlachs” – chapters 26 and 27, the Duke faced them at the Mezes Pass, half way between Zalau and Alba Iulia. It is known that the history is assimilating Gyalu – Gyula with the latin name of Julius which obviously isn’t a Hungarian name, but Latin ! It has been MAGYARISED into Gyalu – Gyula..”Hungarian Eastern Chief”..you LOL ! How could Gelou be a „Hungarian Eastern Chief” when the Hungarians found him there and he fought against the Hungarian invaders till his death ?! You brainwashed LOL people ! After their victory, they turned North- Westward reaching Szeghalom and Orsurvara (Emod), but the place still became the Tuhutum’s Dukedom and bore the name of „The White Fort of Julius”. Did he marry a local woman of Romanian language and Christian rite from the Gelou’s royal court ? He gave birth to Horca who gave birth to Zubor and Geula (another Iuliu !). The last one had 2 daughters, and one of them was called Saroltu who used to wrote in “Moravian” letters = Cyrillic, and she baptized her son born in 969 A.D. IN HER OWN RITE AND LANGUAGE as..VOICU ! Which ones could be „her own rite and language” ? Orthodoxism for SURE and local Romanian language maybe ?! More then sure since her son was baptized..VOICU, magyarised VAJK (read as „Voik”) and re-baptized as STEPHEN after he converted to Caholicism !
See http://mek.oszk.hu/02100/02114/html/260.html where we can read :”948 A.D. – The «horka» Bulcsu and Termacsu, Prince of the Árpád House arrived at Constantinople. The first one converted to Christianity and received the title of «patrikios», the second received the title of «friend».
953–954 A.D. The «gyula = judge», the second Hungarian official arrived at Constantinople, and once converted he received the title of «patrikios». He brought back a missionary Bishop named Hierotheus. ”„who was ordained Bishop of Turkia” (see : http://copernicus.subdomain.de/Transylvania) and „he built the first church in the region.” Note : Turkia – was the Byzantine name for Hungary in those times, due to the Hungarians, a Turkic tribe..
Here I would like to mention the example of copying in Hungarian style : they found Gelou – Gyula – Iuliu as the Duke of Alba Iulia (see Anonymus in „Gesta Hungarorum / The Deeds of the Hungarians” – chap. 24 - 27) who used also to solve judicial matters in the area (see old Romanian custom) and they associated Iuliu = Gyula to the „judge” function..In this way the „great” Hungarian civilization has been built up..copying from the civilizated people of Europe and enriched with a new word „gyula”!
ALBA – IULIA – Before and during the Dacian period the city was known as APULON, the capital of the APULI people, descendants of the Etruscans (lat.: Etruscus) who left the Carpathian Basin for Italy, covering almost the whole territory down to Apulia, southern Italy. From those Etruscans and Apuli tribes we still have today 2 italian provinces : Tuscany - it.: Toscana, lat.: Tuscanus, obviously from „Etruscus”, and Apulia.
In the Roman times it bore the name of Apulum and was the most important city of the Roman province Dacia Apulensis. During the 9th AND 10TH centuries, Apulum was known as Bălgrad = the White Citadel (Bali = white, and Grad = city / citadel in Slavic languages; in Romanian we have the words „blan”, „blai”, „blior” having the same meaning = white, discoloured, blond) due to the Slavic invasion. The 9th century means 801 – 900 A.D. which clearly is the period BEFORE the Hungarian invasion (896 A.D.). Hungarians just translated the local name into Hungarian : „Gyula Fehervar” = the White Citadel of Iuliu - „DUCEM BLACORUM” : the DUKE OF THE VLACHS who fought against the Asian invaders in Transylvania.
I won’t insist how the Hungarians took possession of Transylvania because I already did it in my text intitulated „Hungary never was a state” : „the Hungarians chased away the VLACHS and took their lands and settled down on the same places,..” – Nestor in „The Russian Primary Chronicle” – 1111 A.D. Is that clear enough that your ancestors found us HERE ? LOL !
But the whole Transylvania was occupied by the Asian invaders after the year 1000 A.D. only, as we can read in „Revisionist Hungary” by Dr. S. Fenyes, 1935, p. 122 :”We can accept as sure that Transylvania was invaded by the Hungarians up to the Mures River around 950 A.D., anyway, before 1000 A.D.; and we also can surely state that the other half of Transylvania, the southern part of the Mures River and the Fagaras Dukedom have been occupied by Hungarians after the year 1000 A.D, being in total accordance to the Kekaumenos’ assert saying that the TERRITORY HAS BEEN IN THE ROMANIANS POSSESSION BEFORE THE HUNGARIANS ARRIVAL.” You got that, LOL ?
I challenge you to name those „Byzantine documents” and their authors which you referred to. Hungarians (historians and LOL people like you) just say things without having a solid base of their statements. Reading a historical book written by a „real” Hungarian historian you people will have a strange feeling seeing that he supports his work on..other Hungarian historians in proportion of 80 – 85 %, the rest is just mentioning names and works without „weight” on the subject. The History doesn’t talk about them because they were running the little horses in Asia while the Romanians were slowly building a nation and a country despite the NUMBERLESS BARBARIAN INVASIONS UPON THEM. They don’t have historical support and they try to create one among themselves ! Building „documents” to „make” a history ! Here are 2 examples :
1 – The Hungarian Dr. S. Fenyes was writing in „Revisionist Hungary”, 1935, Budapest, page 119 :"The Hungarian historians started 6 - 7 decades before the beginning of the WWI (1914 - 1918) TO FALSIFY THE HISTORY, following without doubt the exemple of the German contemporans..”
2 – the Hungarian Count Joszef Kemeny used to FORGE „old documents” creating thus a support for his ill theories concerning the arrival of the Hungarians in Transylvania. I can exemplify with a „document” dated 1231 A.D. (forged in the XIX century) saying that „terra Blacorum terra Bulgarorum existitisse fertur”. – the Vlachs’ land was Bulgarian land..- Iosif Schiopul in „The Romanian countries before the XIV century”, Ed. Universul, 1945, page 29. Oh, those Hungarians !
CLUJ-NAPOCA - As an example I would recall your own lines :”KOLOZSVAR, meaning the <Fort of Kolozs>..with a population of 167,687 (was established in 987 A.D. by Kolozs, commander of the Hungarian armies of the East.”..Did somebody ever meet a really honest and intelligent Hungarian ? I never did ! There is none ! First of all the city of Cluj-Napoca has 328,008 inhabitants according to „Le Petit Larousse”, 1998, page 1250, col. I., and 318,027 in 2002 according to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca. Your number is surpassed (1970s) and automatically picked up from : http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/dfacts/dfacts01.htm, a web site which is totally Hungarians’ side, swindly covering the crimes perpetrated against the Romanians and the proofs (quotations) stating that we were there before the Hungarians.
Actually the Hungarians try to fabricate a „history” for the territories occupied by them AFTER 896 A.D. They do efforts (financial, political, historical, literally, etc) to prove that they were the first ones in Transylvania. It’s to difficult for them to understand that the Europeans couldn’t stop themselves to populate that area thinking that some uncivilized Asian tribes will invade it some day in 896 A.D. while our continent is populated for millions of years..They absurdly think that the HISTORY started never before their arrival in Europe.
The city of Cluj draws its name NOT from an imaginary „Kolozs, commander of the Hungarian armies of the East” (name the forged document !), but from „the Roman castrum CLUSS near Napoca, right on the place where the Manastur sector lays today. It bears the Etruscan name of one of the 12 cities which made up the Etruscan Confederation known as CLUSSIUM.” – „The Earth Secrets – The History starts in the Carpathians” by Paul Lazar Tonciulescu and Eugen Delcea, Ed. Obiectiv, 2001, vol. I, page 147.
Note : Etruscans emigrated from the Carpathian Basin to Italy in the IV millennium B.C. according to some historians as Marija Gimbutas – USA „The Godesses and Gods of old Europe”, Pierre Leveque – France „L’Aventure Grecque” - 1964, Paul Lazar Tonciulescu – Romania „From Tartaria to the Luana’s Country”, Ed. Miracol, 1996, and many others like Clemence Royer, Virchow, Jean Laumonier, Andre Lefevre, Gustave Fougeres, Louis Halphen, Philippe Sagnac, Eugene Pittard, Colin Renfrew, John Gregory Nandris, etc.
The Hungarian philologists Melich and Gombocz in „A honfoglalasi Magyarorszag”, Budapest, 1929, pp. 286, 305-307, ask for the Hungarian origin of „Cluj” starting from „Culus” and transmited to the Romanians who changed into „Clus-Cluj”. Anyway, there is some difference between your „Kolozs” and the Melich-Gombocz’s „Culus”, isn’t it ? But „Cluss” is pretty close to „Cluj”, don’t you think ?
How come did „Kolozs” derive from „Cluss” ? There is a specific phenomenon in the Hungarian language which can not pronounce words having 2 adjoining consonants and INTRODUCES BETWEEN THEM a vowel which is called „epenthesis”, so „Kolozs” is clearly derived from „Cluss” : K (+ „O” +) lozs = Cluss (Klosz) !
For the first time the name of the Romanian Cluj City (germ.: Klausenburg) was written in a known document dated at the beginning of the XIII century mentioning a „comes Clusiensis”. Other „Cluj cities” are mentioned in earlier documents but they look to be placed as follows : Slovakia - KLISZ, Nitra county (ung.: Kolos) and Hungary : KOLOS, Komarom county and Kolozsvar, Vas county (germ.: Glossing) – see Iosif Schiopul in „The Romanian countries before the XIV century”, Ed. Universul, 1945, page 99. So there are 4 Kolos now. The question is : Was there other „commanders of the Hungarian armies” to found 4 different cities (c. 455 Km between Klisz and Cluj) bearing the same name in the same approximate period of time ? I don’t think so ! Or is the same „great” city founder „Kolozs, commander of the Hungarian armies of the East” running back and forth from Slovakia to Transylvania just to found „Hungarian” cities ? LOL !
The same Iosif Schiopul made a simple and logical credible supposition that the name „Clus” could arise from the Old Latin „cludo - cludere” = to close, to set obstacles, to stop entering to.., knowing that Napoca was a military „castrum”, even a short camping base for a Roman Legion, precisely camped there to protect the Mezes Gate. – page 124 – 125. He also let us know (page 125) that in other Roman provinces (Raetia = Switzerland, Noricum = Austria, Transalpine Gaul = Southern France and Cisalpine Gaul = Northern Italy) could be found cities with the same meaning „cludo – cludere” : Klausen Pass is a pass (1948 m) in the Swiss Alps connecting the cantons of Uri and Glarus, Chiasso in Tessin county, Switzerland; Chiusa, Clusone in Gallia Cisalpina = Lombardia and Chiusi ancient Clusium – II century B.C. in Etruria (Tuscany, Italy; in Etruscan : Chamars, one of the 12 sovereign towns of ancient Etruria); La Clusaz and Cluses in Haute-Savoy county, France. As a bottom line „all these Cluse-Klausen-Chiusa are placed at the entrance of a narrow pass as Cluj is in the Transylvanian Dacia.” near the Mezes Mountain. I totally agree Iosif Schiopul and Wikipedia.
When the Saxons have been colonized in the Cluj area (1272) by the king Stephen V, they called the city as „Klausen-burg”. Why „Klausenburg” but not „Koloss-burg” ? Mr. LOL, as I already mentioned, the name has been chose just because „klause” means „mountain pass”, therefore „the Fortress of the Pass”. Get lost with your „commander of the East” and go to the EAST..Mongolia ! See : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluj-Napoca
Once I met a „smart” Hungarian who asked me :”Why do you say you are the Dacians’ descendants while you call yourselves Romanians ?” Oh, „sweet” Hungarian ignorance ! Could those „smart” Hungarians name one single ancient people who bears today the same name as in Antiquity ? Go and read my text „Hungary was never a state” and find out about „RUMANIAN name was created only after the unification of Vlachia with the pricipality of Moldova in 1878” – actually 1859 for the unification, and 1862 for SURFACING (taking) the name of Romania. Now, I’m just adding a few more examples :
The German epic poet Rudolf of Ems (c.1200 – c. 1254) was mentioning the name “RUMENIA” in one of his documentary works named „Weltchronik” in..1250 A.D.! So stop to lie and PROVE YOUR TOTAL IGNORANCE over the Internet, get back and drop yourself off upon a pile of history books which are NOT writen by the lying Hungarians !
In the „Nibelungenlied / The Nibelungen Lied” – c. 1200 A.D. is mentioned a Romanian (Vlach) called „Ramung” („Ramunc” in Romanian). Is this his own name as the lied let us know or is the PERSONIFICATION of the Romanians living in Transylvania up to Poland ? : "Der herzoge Ramung uzer Vlachen lant, / mit siben hundert mannen kom er fur si gerannt" (Old German) - "The Ramunc Duke, leader of the Vlachs, immediately came to them accompanied by 700 men". See also "Der Nibelunge not", XII, ed. K. Lachmann, Berlin, 1878, p. 174; Francis P. Magoun jr. in "Geographical and Ethnic Names in the Nibelungenlied", p. 129-130; Fritz Schuster in "Herzog Ramunc aus dem Walachenland / The Ramunc Duke of Wallachia", in "Sudost-Forschungen", XI, 1946-1952, p. 284-290).
The Romanian Prince Petru Cercel / Peter Ear-Ring (known in history as “Cercel” because he used to wear an Ear-Ring) had written on his princely seal the words :”Tara Rumeniasca” in 1580 (The Earth Secrets – the History starts in the Carpathians” by Paul Lazar Tonciulescu and Eugen Delcea, Ed. Obiectiv, vol. I, 2001, page 173..LOL !
The ethnonym “rumni” and the adverb “rumneste” are to be seen for the first time in OUR history in “The Moldavia’s Annals / Letopisetul Tarii Moldovei” by Grigore Ureche in the text attributed to Simion Dascalul (1642 – 1647) – Edited 1978, chap. 6 :“rumneste”, chap. 9 : “rumni” and chap. 156 : “romneasc”. See : http://www.scriptorium.ro/carti/grigore_ureche/grigore_ureche-letopisetul_tarii_moldovei-text-print.html#body.1_div.50
In the same period we know the Dalmatian historian Joannes Lucius (Lucic) of Trogir (1604 – 1679) who used the adjective “rumaneste”.- p. 174, Tonciulescu & Delcea.
Paul Iorgovici in “Observations about the Romanian Language / Observatii de limba rumneasca”, Buda(pest), 1799 mentioned also this old form which clearly defines the Romanians. The book was printed right in the “Hungary’s heart”, but you LOL, don’t know about it..
There is another Moldavian chronicle titled “About the Moldavian people / Din neamul moldovenilor” by Miron Costin (1633 – 1691), where the author makes a difference between “rumni” and “Romans” in chapter 6 :”Măcară dară că şi la istorii şi la graiul şi streinilor şi înde sine cu vréme, cu vacuri, cu primenéle au şi dobândescŭ şi alte numere, iară acela carile ieste vechiŭ nume stă întemeiat şi înrădăcinat: rumân. Cum vedem că, măcară că ne răspundem acum moldovéni, iară nu întrebăm: ştii moldovenéşte ?, ce ştii românéşte ?, adecă râmlenéşte, puţin nu zicem: sţis romaniţe ? pre limba latinească. Stă dară numele cel vechiŭ ca un teméi neclătit, deşi adaog ori vrémile îndelungate, ori streini adaog şi alte numere, iară cela din rădăcină nu să mută. Şi aşa ieste acestor ţări şi ţărâi noastre, Moldovei şi Ţărâi Munteneşti numele cel direptŭ de moşie, ieste rumân, cum să răspundŭ şi acum toţi acéia din Ţările Ungureşti lăcuitori şi munténii ţara lor şi scriu şi răspundŭ cu graiul: Ţara Românească.” As you can read, in „Ţările Ungureşti = Transylvania” were also „rumâni” in 1680 - 1691.
For the XIX century I recall Ion Rus in “The Terra’s Icon / Icoana Pmentului”, Blaj, 1842, where we can read :”rumnii are smaller then the Ardeal men..” – acc. to Marin Popescu-Spineni in “Romania in geographical and cartographic sources“, Bucharest, 1978.
As you can see LOL, your incommensurable ignorance makes you saying really stupid things such as „Romania was invented only 150yrs ago”. People use to stick the right tag on the Hungarians and everywhere you guys go, you make yourself..cacao !
Dr. S. Fenyes was writing in his book "The revisionist Hungary",1935, p. 89 : "..to such a young and vigorous country (Romania) belongs the future and not to an aged and old <nation> of those 300 Hungarian counts. Hungary has indeed a past – a sad one – but has no future." I hope you already noticed that the Hungarian writer didn’t use the word „country” for Hungary in 1935, but just the word „nation”..”Hungary was never a state”, LOL !
JAZYGES – this people (Iranian origin) were contemporain with my ancestors, the Dacians and they had some war against each other. They arrived from the Caucas Mountain area and found a shelter between the Tisa and Danube Rivers „long before the Hungarians arrived”, being encouraged to settle in the Pannonian plain by the Romans in 7 B.C. (see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iazyges). They survived all the barbarian invasions as the Romanians did, but the magyarised Jewish Slovak Lajos Kossuth annihilated their autonomy in 1848 ! Of course, they still exist as a minority (if not totally magyarised..) in today Hungary and I am very curious to find out their own opinion about their status and their occupants, the Hungarians.
„They are the only recorded inhabitants found by the Hungarians settlers in the Carpathian Basin, including Transylvania, except a few scattered fragments of SLAVS, who became assimilated within a few decades, and completely disappeared,..” What an ignorant ! Did you ever hear about the „Hungarian” chronicler known as Anonymus („P. magister Bele regis Hungarie notarius”) the king Bela III’s secretary (Bela III : 1172 – 1196) who let us understand in „Gesta Hungarorum / The Deeds of the Hungarians” – 1190 A.D. that every peace of land was stolen by force from the autochtones ?..Vlachs (Blakok), Slovaks (Szlavok), Bulgars (Bolgar), Slavs (Szlav), Slovens (Szlovenek), Pechenegs (Besenyok), Theutons, Romans, Pannonii, Moravs, Carinthes, Macedonians – read chapters 42 to 52. Such a big LOL !
VLACHS – It is well known that the Hungarians are slow people and is still difficult to understand the continuity of ROMAN – VLACH / OLAH – ROMANIAN people. We never called ourselvs „Vlach” (see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_Vlach), but always „ROMAN”. So when Wallachia united to Moldavia – January 24 and February 5, 1859 we just called our territory „Romania” as WE always did. What’s so difficult to understand ? Oh, sorry, I forgot that you people are Hungarians..But still you call us Romans, isn’t it ? See my text „Hungary was never a state” : Olasz - Oláh and Olaszország – Oláhország.
Did you ever hear about those Dukes who fought against the Hungarian invasion : Salanus (Salan), Glad (Galad), Menumorut (Menmarot), Gelu (Gyalu) ? See the Gyorffy Gyorgy’s Anonymus Map and try to become a THINKER rather then a Hungarian LOL.
Yes, the Vlachs are mentioned also by Georgios Kedrenos (11 – 12 century) in his compiled work „Concise History of the World” (you referred to the 1838 Bonn Edition, according to : http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/dfacts/dfacts01.htm), but there is something that you don’t understand : the Vlachs lived on a very wide area from Ukraine to Volos–Arta line (Greece), and from Istria (Croatia) to Turkey as ROMANS and ROMANIZED PEOPLE : „FROM THE SLAVS, it was passed on to other peoples, such as the Hungarians ("Oláh") and Greeks ("Βλάχοί", "Vlachoi") and was used for ALL LATIN PEOPLE OF THE BALKANS.” – see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_Vlach. Just later barbarian invasions made them to become „scattered” people in the whole Balkan Peninsula, Czech Republic (Moravia), Hungary and Romania. It’s not difficult to undestand that, you need just some..brain ! You got some ?
Ungro-Wllachia – later Wallachia – „Tara Romaneasca” – between the Southern
Carpathians and the Danube River
Transylvanian Wallachia - "Vlachia Tan Siuana" in "Codex Latinus Parisinus"
Lower Wallachia – Oltenia, west of the Olt River (Romania)
Moldo - Wallachia – Moldavia, between the Carpathians and the Dnister River
Upper Wallachia – Epirus, Moscopole (North-Western Greece – Southern Albania)
Great Wallachia – „Megale Vlachia” – Thessaly (Greece)
Small Wallachia – Etolia, Acarnania, Dorida, Locrida (Greece)
Old Wallachia – „Stara Vlaška” – Bosnia
Sirmium Wallachia – on the Sava River (Serbia)
Moravian Wallachia - “Valašský” – in the Beskydy Mountains of the Czech Rep.
Black Wallachia – „Morlachia” – Dalmatia (Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro)
White Wallachia – Moesia (Serbia, Northern Bulgaria, Dobruja) – Nicetas Choniates (of Chonae), c. 1155 – 1215 / 1216, sometimes called Acominatus, stated in „History” – 1118 – 1207, that „the inhabitants of this country bore the name of Moesians, but today they are Valachs.”
952 A.D. – You let us know that the Hungarians „followed the trail of their brothers Huns and Avars” while entering Europe and the Carpathian Basin. You ignorant ! Every Asian and Northern European INVADER followed the same route to Europe by crossing Romanian territory : Iazyges (90 BC), Goths (271 AD), Huns-Xiong Nu (376), Slavs (558 AD), Avars (567 AD), Volgars – Bulgars (680 AD), Hungarians (896 AD), Pechenegs (10 century), Cumans (1171 AD), Tatars (1241 AD), etc..just because Romania is the Gate of Europe !
Note : In the year 300 AD the Huns (Xiong Nu) are mentioned in the Chinese Annals having a tribe called Guligan (Kurykan)..I wonder myself if the „noble” epithets „hooligan” and „galigan” are derived from your „brothers” name ? I think so, Mr. „millennia” !
978 A.D. - You mention that the Bishopric Cathedral (Saint Michael) of Alba Iulia (Gyulafehervar) was founded by the King Stephen I in 1009 „using the foundations of an older church..finished in the 12th century”..The king himself fought against his uncle (his mother’s brother), the ruler of Transylvania, who lost the battle and has been dragged by Stephen I to Hungary, ending his life in prison just because he didn’t want to become a Christian. Later then 1038 A.D., the Hungarians revolted against the King trying to get rid of the new religion (Christianity - Catholicism) and they worshipped for long time their Asian Gods in Hungary itself.
You wrote that the Church was under construction „in 1970 by the Hungarian architect Lajos Bagyuj”..and the Romanian Government stoped the work...You LOL, since 1920 Alba Iulia is a part of Romania and it was EXACTLY the Romanian Government which paid the renovation work at the Cathedral. Moreover, if Iancu of Hunedoara (Janos Hunyadi) „rebuilt and extended the church in the 1450s” then is still a Romanian who did something for that religious architectutal building. Iancu of Hunedoara was a Romanian voevod of Transylvania (1441 – 1446) and the Regent (1444 – 1446) and Governor of Hungary (1446 – 1453). I will write just a few unknown (to you) lines about him because the history is abundant in his deeds and everybody knows him and his son.
The Hungarian Dr. S. Fenyes in “Revisionist Hungary”, 1935, Budapest, p. 79 let us know about his origin :"The King Sigismund colonized the unprotected borders with Romanian soldiers. The Sekels were protecting also some borders. In this way, the grand-father of Iancu of Hunedoara, the Prince Serban, got the Hunedoara county as a residence having the duty to protect its borders.”
Pages earlier (page 15) he was writing :"the Hungarians have been ruled by 2 great ROMANIAN state leaders, Iancu of Hunedoara and his son, the King of Hungary Matei Corvin.”
At page 18 we can read :"The 32 years long rule of the ROMANIAN Matei Corvin, the King of Hungary, is the most glorious page in the whole Hungarian history."
The Hungarian writer Ivan Vogyes in "Hungary – a contradictory nation", 1982, page 5 : "..through his VALACHIAN descendance, Iancu of Hunedoara was..".
And the last one by Douglas Myles in "Prince Dracula - the Evil’s son", 1988, page 263 : "Iancu the Getae (Romanian), the leader of the Paeons (the Hungarians -Pannonia) and the Dacians,.." - note that this American writer calls the Romanians as Dacians in 1988 !!!
The Hungarians did everything in their power to eliminate them as „Wallachian dogs” and, unfortunately, they succeeded by killing the King Matei Corvin (April 6, 1490) with the help of his wife Beatrix of Naples (wed 1476) – poisoned with lead, - beheading his brother Ladislas (Laszlo in March 16, 1457) without the observance of any legal formalities, and fighting always (the noble families Garas, Ujlakys and Cillei) agains Iancu of Hunedoara, Matei Corvin and his son Ioan of Hunedoara (Janos Korvin, dead October 12, 1504) who spent all his fortune to build up an army for Hungary and died on the battle field agains the Turks, unsupported by the Hungarian nobles !! Moreover, they killed his two little kids Elisabeth (December 12, 1496 – 1508 = 12 years old !) and Christopher (1499 – March 17, 1505 = 6 years old !) to end up any eventual „Wallachian dog” claim to the Hungary’s throne. LOL !
Now you call him „the great Hungarian fighter”..Let me tell you something LOL : They were „Hungarians” at their 2nd and 3rd generation in Hungary as a Hungarian is „Romanian” at his 3rd generation ! Did you get it ? THEY WERE ROMANIANS and the historians all across the world know that truth and mention it in their works !! (see also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hunyadi).
Let me tell you some short details about your other two characters mentioned earlier in your comment :
- Queen Isabel Jagello (born Polish, 1556 – 1559), the mother of the King Sigismund Janos (1559 – 1629), declared to the Austrian ambassador that :”she better wishes to lose her eyes rather to return among the Hungarians..” – in "A magyar hirodalom tortenete", pp. 338-339 by the Hungarian historian Ignac Acsady. She finally preferred to find „RIP” (peace) among the Romanians at Alba Iulia.
- Prince Gabor (Gabriel) Bethlen, voevod of Transylvania (1613 – 1629) : the Hungarians like to say that the Principality reached its „golden age” under his rule (http://www.magyarorszag.hu/angol/orszaginfo/tortenelem), but they forget to tell us that he was a vassal of the Ottoman Sultans, and precisely the latest helped Transylvania to reach its highest economical level. Besides, don’t you people think that is to poor to praise Gabor Bethlen for JUST 13 years (1613-1629) of high economical and cultural prosperity ? It is well known in History that the Turkish occupation is „guilty” for that flourishing period, but not a Hungarian local leader. Moreover, he was appointed voevod of Transylvania by the Otomans themselves against the Hapsburgs’ will !!
Well, your Prince is known in history as Gabor Bethlen „the Gypsy”, and from him, the humanity „enriched” with what we know today as „gabor gypsy” (tigan gabor)..

And now, at the end..how many hundreds of years we still have to wait until the Hungarians will really understand that they have stolen land from our acestral country once they have arrived from Asia as a barbarian tribe ? Do you guys need another „millennia” or just a LOL ?!
Your silly and unconscious „Ha..Ha..Ha..” reminds me a Romanian saying :”You laugh like a stupid woman in the farmers’ market.” – Keep laughing.. ! And the Brits have a very nice „sentence” for people like you :”It’s taugh to be stupid !” Does it hurt ?
I want to introduce here two images from the „famous” (among the Hungarians) canvas panorama (over 8000m2) painted by Arpad Feszty to commemorate the 1000th anniversary of the Magyar conquest of Pannonia (1896 A.D.), which can be admired (the paint is really good) at Ópusztaszer National Memorial Site in Hungary. I have selected 2 details very representative for the Hungarian invasion on our lands, showing the disaster they brought us in order to “civilize” the Eastern Europe area (!) : The Arrival of the „civilized” Hungarians. Four robust and courageous Romanians (see their traditional costumes) oppose the savage horde of the invading Hungarians. Probably the painter wanted to symbolise the Romanian-Hungarian ratio of the autochtones and invaders through this section of the canvas..Mention : the Romanians don’t wear „opinci”.

The second image represents Arpad and his suite facing a few autochtones whom house was literarly razed to the ground (see construction stones and wood), but still proudly defying the „civilizators”. A few bodies of Romanians (according to their traditional costumes) are laying on the ground, between the two main groups, as a result of the fight between them and the invaders. The painter artistically placed the bodies between the alive Romanians and Hungarians as an insurmountable time barrier between the two nations, and Arpad is seeming to say : „We do kill you, we do break down your houses, we do take your lands, just beat it !”. On the right side we can see some Romanians leaving the area as the Russian chronicler Nestor told us in his „Russian Primary Chronicle / Povest’ vremennykh let” - c. 1111 A.D. : „Coming from east they rapidly passed the high mountains called the Mountains of the Ougris and started to fight AGAINST THE VLACHS and Slavs who lived those countries..Later, the HUNGARIANS CHASED AWAY THE VLACHS and TOOK THEIR LANDS and settled down on the same places..”..or some new Hungarian settlers are arriving to grab the Romanians’ land. All around the main characters are to be seen the numberless Hungarian horsemen, probably „between 250,000 and 450,000 people.” – see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyars. The Hungarian historians rise their number up to 500,000 people, but more reasonable historians drop it down to 50,000 – 200,000 people.
I do not agree the painter’s ideea to dress up Arpad and make him look as an European king, just because the contemporary texts say something different like :”..hideous people having sunk eyes, short, barbarian and wild in their manners and language, easily could be called as human monsters..” – German Bishop Otto von Freising in „Liber Primus”, capitolul XXXI, "De situ Ungariae et more gentis"– 1147, or Regino in „Reginonis Chronicon” - 889 A.D. :"The Hungarians are the most ferocious and cruel people, even more then the wild beasts..The Hungarians don’t live like humans do, but like the wild beasts; they eat raw meat, drink blood and eat as a medicine the hearts of their prisoners, they don’t know the meaning of mercy and nothing can touch their hearts.." Now compare the picture to the above texts..

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Sorid, you are too long to follow but I guess your point is the striking similarity between the Hungarian and Israelite histories. There is already a post somewhere on this forum that mentions this. Following this fact, the romanians MUST end up like the invaders of Israel, that is in poverty, suicide, murder, and all satanic acts. And this is already getting obvious, consider for example the poverty of Romania despite their very rich natural resources compared to Hungary.

"this abberant phenomenon is not restricted to Transylvania) were given completely arbitrary names,..It would have happened, most certainly, hat it been Romania."

CHANGING THE PLACES¡¦ NAMES IS NOT A ¡§NON SENSE¡¨

I hope you don¡¦t fear to read texts longer then 4 - 5 lines as Ungaro does..His ¡§brain¡¨ can¡¦t take more then that ! It¡¦s already full of Hungarian lying propaganda.
I see you are my oppressed brother living among the most brainless people, the Hungarians..I¡¦m really sorry for you.
Ignorance is not a ¡§cronic illness¡¨ (just for the Hungarians !) if you try to get rid of it, but ¡§persevering¡¨ as Ungaro does, than is really unacceptable. I feel that you already have been little infested by a bad ¡§Hungarian virus¡¨. I¡¦ll try to show you that ¡§changing the names of persons or places for nationalistic reasons¡¨ is NOT a ¡§nonsense¡¨ as you wrote, but an usual costum found even at ¡§bigger houses¡¨. Maybe Stratford upon Avon was not renamed ¡§William Shakespeare¡¨ as you wrote, but that doesn¡¦t mean the Brits don¡¦t do it, and ¡§the abberant phenomenon is not restricted to Transylvania¡¨ only. I hope you are not an Aries, just because those people born under this sign first talk and only after that they think.
Changing place names is not a Romanian custom for sure, I would say the Romanians borrowed it from other people..maybe Hungarians, hmm ??? In my opinion, changing ¡§Cacarau¡¨ to a ¡§completely arbitrary¡¨ name of ¡§Joia Mare¡¨ was a real MUST, don¡¦t you think ? Why ¡§Mocirla¡¨ but not a great Romanian name as ¡§Avram Iancu¡¨ who fought against the Hungarian oppressors ? Try to be more comprehensible about the situation..Here is an example found in the Romanian Great Plain, far northern Bucharest : a village founded by the Gypsy people and called ¡§Targul de Floci¡¨ ¡V you know that those people don¡¦t worry to much about ethic and stuff like that..Well, the Romanian authorities decided to change the name in ¡§Targul de Flori¡¨..don¡¦t you think there was a real need and they found the right name for it ? I do !
The Hungarians and other brainless people will jubilate, but I tell them this : ¡§the Hapsburg Empress Maria Therese (1768), who used to rule over the Hungarians in the XVIII century, as well as the Emperor Joseph II (1782), issued 2 orders to settle down the Gypsies / Tigoniuk in the villages within the Empire borders under the name of ¡§the new Hungarians / Uj Magyar¡¨ or the ¡§the new farmers¡¨ !!! go also to : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roms. So they are totally Gypsy blooded Hungarians now !!!
On the other hand we have the Hungarian place names which have been ¡§changed¡¨ into Romanian for two main reasons :
1) - difficulty to pronounce them in Hungarian (example : BethlenszentmiklƒÌs, BesztercenaszƒÌd, KrassƒÌszƒÐrƒºny, Szolnokdoboka, Marosvƒ¬sƒ¬rhely, etc.What a language !
2) ¡V there were Romanian old place names used in parallel with the Hungarian once, even if most of them are derived from Hungarian (example : Esztelnek ¡V Estelnic, Otelek ¡V Otelec, Dƒºs ¡V Dej, Dics„vszentmƒ¬rton - Diciosƒ®nmartin, Varad - Oradea, etc.).
Actually the old historic Hungarian names have been TRANSLATED or PHONETICALLY REPRODUCED by the Romanian autochtones right from the beginning, and once the province of Transylvania (Dacia Porolissensis and Dacia Apulensis) administratively returned back to the Romanian people in 1918, we just officialised those names : Segesvƒ¬r - Sighi„¨oara, SomlyƒÌ - Simleu, Talmƒ¬cs - Tƒìlmaciu, Zernyest - Zƒìrne„¨ti, etc.
Some Dacian / Roman place and river names suffered a metamorphose through the time due to the Slavic and Hungarian invasions : Crisia ¡V Koros ¡V Cri„¨, Tibiscum ¡V Temesvar ¡V Timi„¨oara, Cedoniae / Cibinum ? ¡V Szeben ¡V Sibiu, Satu Mare - Szatmƒ¬r - Satu Mare, Tƒ®rnava - NagykƒØkƒØll„v - Tƒ®rnava Mare, Samus ¡V Szomes ¡V Some„¨, Tibiscus ¡V Temes ¡V Timi„¨, Bystrica ¡V Beszterce - Bistri„®a, etc.
But let¡¦s go back to your point. Unfortunatelly, I don¡¦t know too many examples in Europe (for sure there a lot of them), but there are two for now :
1) - everybody (??) knows the French writer Francois Marie Arouet known as Voltaire (born and dead in Paris, 1694 ¡V 1778), well he lived the last years of life (1759 ¡V 1778) in a village called Ferney. The French authorities decided to add his name to the original village name, so Ferney-Voltaire is to be found now in the Ain county, close to the Switzeland border.
2) ¡V Another famous French writer named Francois Duke of La Rochefoucauld (born and dead in Paris, 1613 ¡V 1680) has been chosen by the French authorities to name another village : La Rochefoucauld in the Charente county.
Now really everybody knows about the American hero who ¡§blacky¡¨ lay on the 1 US$ bill, George Washington the first President of the United States of America. His name was given to a nomberless places across the continent. There is no state without a place bearing his name, but the most famous is the US capital Washington, DC, and the state of Washington on the Pacific coast. A small town is to be found also in the state of Texas called Washington-on-the-Brazos (River) or Old Washington established in1834.
And now, people do not know that the personality cult is omni-present in today America, so we got George Bush International Airport in Houston, Texas !! Well, Ille Corn, what do you say now about ¡§the abberant phenomenon is not restricted to Transylvania¡§ by ¡§changing the names of persons or places for nationalistic reasons¡¨ ?? How would have been accepted something like ¡§Nicolae Ceausescu International Airport¡¨ in Bucharest, Romania ??!! Well, the Americans have they own Ceausescu today !
I will give you a few more examples of ¡§abberant phenomenon changing the names..for nationalistic reasons¡¨ so get ready now :
1) ¡V Houston, Texas ¡V named after Sam Houston, General of Texas army that won independence from Mexico, and president of Republic of Texas.
2) ¡V Texas City, Texas ¡V originally called Shoal Point, but because of the great patriotic zeal, the authorities decided to change it into Texas City !
3) ¡V Austin, Texas ¡V the capital of the state of Texas. In 1839 five mounted scouts ranged over a broad area of wilderness seeking a site for a new capital city for the Republic of Texas. Location on north bank of Colorado River was chosen, were rich blacklands meet scenic hills. Site occupied at the time by a 4 family settlement called Waterloo. Name honors Stephen F. Austin, the Father of Texas.
4) ¡V Crockett, Texas ¡V named for frontiersman Davy Crockett who died at the Alamo. Legend has it that Crockett stopped here to camp on his way down to the Alamo.
5) ¡V Tyler, Texas ¡V chartered in 1847, named for President John Tyler.
6) ¡V Forth Worth, Texas ¡V grew from military camp established at close of Mexican War by General Winfield Scott, and named for General William Jenkins Worth who saw action in that war.
7) ¡V Independence, Texas ¡V first called Coles Settlement. The village name was changed in 1836 to commemorate independence of Texas from Mexico.
8) ¡V Madisonville, Texas ¡V named for President James Madison.
9) ¡V Seguin, Texas ¡V named after in honor Juan N. Seguin, distinguished Mexican-Texan who served in Sam Houston¡¦s army that won Texas independence.
10) ¡V Caldwell, Texas ¡V named for Mathew ¡§Old Paint¡¨ Caldwell, noted Indian fighter and signer of Texas Declaration of Independence.
11) ¡V McKinney, Texas ¡V named for Collin McKinney, a signer of the Texas Declaration of Independence and leader in establishment of the Disciples of Christ in Texas.
12) ¡V Childress, Texas ¡V named for George Campbell Childress, author of Texas Declaration of Independence.
13) ¡V Wink, Texas ¡V originally named Winkler, named after C.M. Winkler, a colonel in the Confederate Army, a member of the Texas Legislature, and a justice of the Court of Civil Appeal.
14) ¡V Breckenridge, Texas ¡V established 1876, said named for John C. Breckenridge, vice president under James Buchanan (1857 ¡V 1861).
15 ) ¡V Weatherford, Texas ¡V named after Jefferson Weatherford, member of the Texas Senate when the county was created.
16) ¡V Brownfield, Texas ¡V named for Col. Benjamin Franklin Terry, Confederate leader of Terry¡¦s Texas Rangers.
And now I¡¦ll give you some ¡§funny¡¨ or less funny examples :
1) ¡V Miles, Texas ¡V city named in 1890 when established as extension of the Ballinger-San Antonio railroad line. Named for Jonathan Miles, pioneer CATTLEMAN (vacar !!) and railroad contractor.
2) ¡V Littlefield, Texas ¡V named for George Washington Littlefield, CATTLE BARON (¡§baronul vacilor¡¨) and philanthropist. What ?! Did you thik that only in Romania are local ¡§barons¡¨ (Sechelariu, Mischie, etc.)??
3) ¡V Gail, Texas ¡V named for Gail Borden, Texas patriot, surveyor, editor, trustee of Texas Baptist Education Society that founded Baylor University, INVENTOR OF CONDENSED MILK, and founder of Borden Foods.
4) ¡V Dime Box, Texas ¡V originally called Brown¡¦s Mill for a sawmill built by Joseph S. Brown. The US government opened a post office in 1877 and settlers deposited out-going mail and a dime (10 US cent coin) in a small box for weekly delivery of mail to nearby Giddings..Renamed Dime Box in February 1884.
5) ¡V Saint Jo, Texas ¡V originally known as Head of Elm established in 1856 on springs that were headwaters of Elm Fork of the Trinity River. Renamed for Joe Howell who laid out the townside. Howell allegedly opposed the sale of liquor in town, thus giving both himself and town the name of ¡§Saint Jo¡¨.
6) ¡V Bronte, Texas ¡V established 1887; named after famed English novelist, Charlotte Bronte.
US is plainly full of such examples across the country and thousands of ¡§nationalistic reasons¡¨ pushed the American authorities to ¡§abberant phenomenon¡¨ by ¡§change the names of places¡¨. Moreover, they are very proud about it !!
As I said earlier : ¡§think first, and talk after¡¨ !

IGNORANCE IS A SIN !

Obviously you didn’t read my text to its end. Such a text is a big effort to you, so it was easier to start delivering some silly comments. A long text is a too hard try to you and Ungaro..I can imagine what a torture must be reading a book.
Yes ! You wrongly understood my text. In the beginning I mentioned that my text referrers as a similarity just to the fact that the invaders follow an invasion template and that the Hungarian chroniclers used a religious detailed start for their written texts.
If there is already a similar post somewhere on the Internet, I really don’t know about it (maybe you let me know the address), but what you started to read over here is my OWN idea and conclusion !
The Brits use to say : “No brain, no pain !” So you “bizzio”, no pain at all, hmmm ? Don’t think to much otherwise you’ll get tired..and some blood will blow from your nose.
There is no need that “the Romanians MUST end up like the invaders of Israel” just because the Romanians do not invade other people’ countries as the Hungarians did or as the Jews also did. Besides, Romania was invaded by (Israelites) long time ago and they did everything to ruin her. These days, after 1989, when they set up “the Fall of the Communism” in Eastern Europe just to destroy those countries’ economies and take over everything, they come to Romania like (pray) vultures knowing that is something to grab over there. If you go the Passport Office in Bucharest you’ll see Israelites asking for Romanian passports even if they weren’t born there ! Why do you think they are invading now my country ?
It is said that we have 6,000 – 18,000 Jews left in Romania, but their number is growing weekly. Do you think they come to BUILD something or just to plunder ? I guess so. “Our” president Traian Basescu is 100 % Jew. His predecessor is 25 % Jew and 75 % Gypsy. The other one was 50 % Jew, and since 1948 we “had” only Jews and Gypsies as state leaders installed by the Great Power countries. Now you understand why Romania is poor ?
For “suicide” you are on the wrong country ! Hungary is on the first world place, bud ! They must be first at something..they couldn’t get another domain. But, honestly speaking..it’s good for everybody ! They already are too many !
Concerning the “murder”, I would say that statistically is “the country of all possibilities”, the “democratic” America !
You didn’t right aimed the “all satanic acts”- place, which obviously should be Israel.
If we do have now a lot of problems, not more then in those countries self-called “democratic”, is in a very large percentage because the “permanently persecuted” Jews in Romania do all their best to have such a big trouble. You’ll say that I have something against those “poor” Jews..You’re wrong ! They have something against us as the Hungarians have also! Having a large state leadership and tremendous “businessmen” (read as : thieves) of Jewish origin is all that Romania “needs” the most. Here are some examples : Traian Basescu, Marcel Ilici Ivanovici called Ion Iliescu, Saul Bruckner called Silviu Brucan, Emil Constantinescu, Dinu Patriciu, Ovidiu Tender, Alexandru Bitner, Adrian Sarbu, Petre Roman-Neulander, Adrian Severin, Victor Babiuc, Razvan Teodorescu, Joseph Csapo, Mugur Isarescu, Kovacs Eckstein, Ion Cristoiu, Sorin Rosca Stanescu, Nicolae Cajal, etc. Everything is in their hands : Presidency, Parliament, State department, Press, TV, Oil, Forest, Hydro, etc.
Now you understand why we are so “poor” ? If you think that is differently in Hungary, than you’re wrong again ! Hungary was just faster eaten, that’s all.

looool!!! you are bigger fool than i thought previously, i must have really upset you , that you produce such long ridiculous posts as these. but keep doing it, its amusing.looooooooooool i've already made my point, and you're still trying! hahahah

That's why you are so idiot, because you don't read ! Do Hungarians read ? I doubt about that ! They just "learn" from their parents what they have to "think" = lies and rubbish. What a people ?! The most retarded people in Europe ! So stupid that they aren't aware about the illness they bear inside them : STUPIDITY without borders !
Go home to YOUR Mongolia ! Take your wagons and head EAST to the place you people came from ! Take along your brothers the Gypsies too, they also came from that area.
Ja to the wagon ! Ja to Mongolia !

what is "ja to the wagon" "ja to mongolia" loooooool!!!!! man, do you know how to fvckin talk Hahaha, i can't stop laughing, what an idiota!!

honestly, what are the reasons magyars generally tend to feel as being 'superior' to romanians.

thanx